=== webpigeo1 is now known as webpigeon [06:03] *yawn* [06:42] bigcalm: the only place i have stayed is the bishops table in town, which is nice (and does nice food) -- bar that i have no idea (though i am sure the two of you can stay at ours if you like) :) [07:03] bigcalm: we actually stayed in the swing hotel for oggcamp, it was a nice hotel [07:16] Morning all [07:54] good news everyone! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17511011 [07:54] lol [07:56] yeah and one sentence mentioning the amount of sugar [07:56] Gotta love those studies [08:04] morning [08:24] christel: Myrtti: thanks :) Plenty of time to find somewhere. This year's oggcamp will be another drain on the wallet, fun though :) [08:25] Morning all [08:29] bigcalm: I don't know if I can justify this years, on the weekend before I'll be attending my birthday present of participating to an archeological dig in the Fens [08:29] :O [08:30] What a cool present [08:30] Myrtti: how young will you be? [08:31] http://digventures.com/2012/03/04/venturer-profile-miia-myrtti-ranta/ [08:31] 32 [08:31] Yay [08:32] and also the engagement ring will be a bit more than we planned so I'll try not to suggest overly expensive stuff for him to get for a few years [08:32] but it will be amazing so it's ok. [08:32] :-P [08:33] :) [08:59] wow thats a great gift idea, more dig sites should do it [09:02] Morning all! :D [09:02] Morning [09:03] whut "Rovio (demoscene company, Angry Birds) buying Futuremark (demoscene company, 3DMark etc) - great news =)" [09:04] parse error: unexpected ) on line 1 [09:05] dotwaffle isn't online [09:05] BigRedS: ... [09:05] http://www.rovio.com/en/news/press-releases/147/rovio-entertainment-acquires-futuremark-games-studio [09:05] MartijnVdS: I tried to do the maths in that sentence and my brain didn't like it [09:05] I've no idea why I presumed it was maths [09:06] good morning everyone. [09:06] why is it good news? [09:11] Myrtti: rovio was born out of the demoscene? [09:12] I'm really not sure what to think about the guys that made second reality working for angry birds... [09:12] without second reality i wouldn't have half the skill set i do [09:12] oimon: quote from dotwaffle's tweet [09:13] Myrtti, ah [09:14] popey: everything <25 years old is born out of demoscene here pretty much, in one way or another. All selfrespecting geeks attend Assembly Summer at some point and make contacts with people there [09:15] everything < 25 years old here is born out of kids making zx spectrum games for £200 a pop [09:15] gord: in here the kids went to Assembly and displayed their stuff there [09:16] and in fact, they still do! [09:16] \o/ Bassetts_ [09:16] http://pouet.net/party.php?which=7 [09:17] well, <20 years [09:17] demo scene is different these days, computers are way too powerful ;) [09:17] now that oggcamp is in liverpool , any suggestions about a similar alternate event in the south that i can attend? [09:19] oimon: oggcamp is in the south [09:19] gordonjcp: no it isn't [09:19] :) [09:19] not this year [09:20] here we go [09:20] oimon: it's in Liverpool, it's well south [09:20] south of the north pole, yes [09:20] Liverpool's way north! [09:20] it's past birmingham! [09:20] it's in westcoast. [09:20] BigRedS: that's hardly any distance at all [09:20] case closed. [09:20] if (talkfunny) then location=north [09:20] oimon: or location=westCountry [09:21] Basically, once you go North out of the M25 you're in "The North" [09:21] that's what the signs on the motoroway say [09:21] what's worse, my wife says i should be taking her to paris instead now. all because of oggcamp [09:22] Paris is good [09:23] s/worse/better/ [09:23] Which venue has been selected for Oggcamp [09:23] see oggcamp.org [09:24] (scroll down) [09:24] Ah, I looked at the page, didn't think to scroll down, just thought it was a static page with a picture on it [09:24] popey: http://www.gigantti.fi/search?WFSimpleSearch_NameOrID=nokia+n9 [09:25] :-P [09:26] heh [09:26] Hmmh, I might manage that depending on holidays, only 30 minutes from home :) [09:28] hm, okay, okay [09:28] nice, Finland is becoming the dumping ground of obsolete mobile phone platforms. [09:28] so this year Oggcamp is closer to me than it is to the Farnham Contingent [09:28] Heh [09:28] Blackberry is going to start shipping to Finland. [09:28] yay. [09:28] bit late for that [09:28] Myrtti: you can desolder the chips and use them in proper phones [09:32] lol ok so a carrier that no one has ever heard of before will start importing [09:32] nevermind then [09:44] saw a nokia advert the other day on telly, looked like a MS advert [09:45] Myrtti, why do you want blackberries? [09:45] to organise riots [09:46] ಠ_ಠ [09:46] crackberries [09:47] directhex: I have *no* idea why *anyone* would want one [09:48] my 24-month contract is due to end in a couple of months, and i don't want to change phone yet - any recommendations for sim only deals that offer good mobile internet? [09:48] oimon, three are pretty good, 15 quid a month or so, unlimited internet [09:48] currently pay £15pm for 300mins/300texts and 3GB mobile internets [09:48] * popey wonders how mpt got a canonical logo next to his name on reddit [09:48] but i hardly use the phone [09:49] to make voice calls or texts [09:49] £15pm, 3000 sms, 300 mins, no fup unlimited internet. [09:49] popey, i have one also ;) [09:49] oooh [09:49] was hoping for cheaper munny [09:49] how? [09:49] virgin used to do decent internet-mostly sims, but they stopped [09:49] so three [09:49] popey, www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/l5b3x/members_and_canonical_employees_claim_your_flair/ [09:50] suspicious of three [09:50] why? [09:50] a few years ago my friends all bought 3 because they were cheap, then realised the reception was terrible [09:50] if only orange/t-mobile reception was as good as three, tbh. [09:50] and couldn't get out of the contract [09:50] I think when my contract ends, I'm going to get a 3g dongle, pull the sim and ditch the dongle. the data plans work out much better (here) if they don't know it's going in a phone [09:50] directhex, i get terrible tmob reception on my train journey [09:51] wife always has 3g everywhere. i rarely get more than 1 bar of gprs anywhere [09:51] maybe i'll get a 3 sim and try it out [09:51] oimon, get a PAYG sim, try it for size? [09:51] 3 reception is pretty good i find, used to be terrible years ago, but not anymore [09:51] oh, there's also "giffgaff" which is some bull web-only thing on o2 [09:51] agreed, three reception, is very good here, only one blackspot that i know of. [09:52] gord, my bias is based on 5yr ago [09:52] http://www.three.co.uk/_standalone/Coverage_checker_mobile - found that to be pretty accurate [09:52] physics says o2/voda reception is better than orange/t-mobile [09:52] wavelengths matter, kiddies! [09:52] voda = £ usually [09:52] voda is crap for data [09:52] crap crap crap [09:52] i'm happy with dodgy reception from t-mob if they offer me a ridiculous deal to stya though [09:52] so was o2, last time i tried o2. [09:53] giffgaff is a better way to get O2 [09:53] * oimon is cheapskate [09:53] * AlanBell haz giffgaff promo code probably [09:54] if i leave my current tmob contract, i'll prob lose my 3gb internet [09:54] since new customers only get 250 or 500mb i think [09:54] http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/ainebell [09:55] oimon, they'll offer to keep you. you're paying how much? [09:55] £15pm [09:55] and you want to pay less than that? [09:55] yes, coming to end of contract [09:55] don't use my minutes [09:56] 3 mobile have a £10 pm [09:56] 1 month rollling [09:56] £10 for unlimited internet on giffgaff [09:56] AlanBell, any mins/texts? [09:57] 250 minutes, unlimited texts [09:57] sounds good [09:57] however i'm also considering ditching my landline if poss to do so while keeping broadband [09:57] my father-in-law recently got virgin fibre and no phone line was required [09:58] t-mob need to match giffgaff and 3 or lose me then [09:59] i would also be concerned, especially with internet, if there is a FUP. [09:59] morning all [09:59] czajkowski: hugs [10:00] i hate that you have to have a phone line to have broadband [10:00] "Is unlimited really unlimited? The answer is yes, we are unlimited for personal mobile use - but not for commercial and automated use." [10:00] have to = get stiched up otherwise [10:04] brobostigon: the alternative, though, to a FUP is being affected by somebody else's monopolisation of the connection [10:05] BigRedS: monopolisation of connection ? [10:05] Holiday for 17th & 20th August has been approved for Hayley and myself. Yay for geeky socials [10:05] yeah. At some point any given connection needs to join the rest of the Internet [10:06] if someone's maxing out that connection all by themselves, anybody else sharing it suffers [10:06] What do we think of the HTC Sensation XE? [10:07] BigRedS: good point, so why do three do unlimited internet, without fup. in that case. [10:07] finally no more blue indicators woohoo! [10:07] well, either it's actually limited, or there's no guaranteed level of service [10:07] you can't have both [10:07] popey: Hi! [10:08] yo JamesTait [10:08] BigRedS: i have read, the conditions, and beleieve it to be fully unlimited. [10:08] i'm fairly sure that 3g speeds are low enough that abuse isn't a large concern [10:08] BigRedS: who does a guarunteed level of service? [10:08] popey: I just remembered I wanted to ask you something - the EeePC(s?) you upgraded to Precise recently, what model & spec were they? [10:10] JamesTait: Eee 900, 900MHz celeron, 2GB RAM, 16GB SSD [10:10] popey: And it runs well? Unity 2D I presume? [10:10] same model as my eeepc. [10:11] popey: The reason I'm asking is I'm intending to upgrade my wife's EeePC 1005 (or something) with 1GB RAM. [10:11] the 1005 will be ATOM won't it? [10:11] JamesTait: yes, unity-2d works well, infact, so does unity-3d, but alittle on the slower side. [10:12] popey: Correct. [10:12] i have 12.04 on a 1008HA too [10:20] hello all [10:20] yo [10:21] MooDoo: me owld mukka where ya bin [10:21] davmor2: how do, was on a different IRC server checking it out... [10:21] oimon, you about ? [10:22] has any one ever seen 'rt6_redirect: source isn't a valid nexthop for redirect target' in syslog? I can only seem to find references to the kernel source where the message is and other people asking the same question. I have no way of working out which node is causing this. [10:22] MooDoo: server or client and what excuse either way is that to not be in here any how [10:23] davmor2: i was in the smugmug chat room on a different server and yes i know, no excuse [10:25] MooDoo: you know the amazing thing about computers is they can do more than one thing at a time, you can even be in 2 that's right count them 2 irc server at the same time ;) [10:26] davmor2: couldn't be bothered to run another screen session with another client....sorry lazy mode off [10:28] MooDoo: Why 1 client can connect to multiple servers unless of course irssi is really sucky but I can't see that being the case at all [10:30] davmor2: well i'll be [10:35] diplo, yes [10:36] I remember us having a chat about CentOS repos [10:36] Just wondering what versions you run [10:36] go on, may jog my memory [10:36] And size of the repo ? [10:37] Just trying to work out size requirements to host [10:37] davmor2: i am on 4 networks in irssi [10:38] popey: me being thick, didn't realise you can /connect to multiple servers [10:38] yeah, its not intuitive [10:38] diplo, do you mean mirrors, or custom repos [10:38] mirrors sorry [10:38] i'll check [10:38] i run sl5 and sl6 [10:38] so not exactly centos but similar [10:38] i use dag and rpmfusion and a few others i think [10:39] ok, we are just about to move to 6 but we are going to have to mirror 4.8 for customers that will not upgrade [10:40] 6.x mirrors are 20G, 5.x mirrors are 50G [10:40] i may have excluded isos [10:40] /usr/bin/rsync -avzlH --delete --exclude=sites/Fermi --exclude=archive/debuginfo --exclude=archive/obsolete --exclude=iso rsync://rsync.scientificlinux.org/scientific/55/ /mirror/install/mirror55/ [10:40] Yeah I am going to as well [10:41] ah top man! :) [10:41] So why do you use SL over Cent ? [10:41] its an educational institution [10:41] seems slightly more scietific and research focused [10:41] not much difference though [10:42] ah right, so more for basic install of pacakages etc than they are better overall [10:42] there's not much in it really, but the mailing list is more intelligent [10:43] heh, I don't use Cent's ML and there irc channel is either full of ignorant people or why are you running that blah blah [10:43] I use the web for 95% of my answers i suppose [10:43] SL is mostly mailing list, but there is a forum i don't really use much [10:43] most SL users seem to use them as server [10:44] centos can be a mixture, including a bunch of numptys [10:44] when centos delayed, i saw a lot of numptys come to SL [10:44] My biggest issue is we have customers that will not upgrade the OS [10:44] but want to run our new app [10:44] reason? [10:44] But it's dependant on php5.3 [10:44] as a test i've been not using menus at all for the past 2-3 weeks or so, just using hud. not sure hud can replace menus fully yet, but for 99% of stuff i found it way easier to use the keyboard :) [10:45] It works is the main reason and they don't want to spend money [10:45] This is a rather tight trade to work in... [10:45] Our software now runs on Cent6, but the customers ask why do we need to upgrade if it still works [10:46] gord: when i installed hud I realised about a week later that I almost never use menus ☺ [10:46] i had to do some fuzzing effect in gimp the other day and went "oooh ooh! I can use hud for this!" [10:46] and did [10:46] popey, yeah i find that too, apart from indicators [10:46] i forget to use hud for indicators [10:47] * Laney can't see any menus atm [10:47] firefox, terminal, emacs - all hidden [10:47] i want to do "alt, play" and it play rhythmbox [10:48] could you not press the play button on your keyboard? [10:48] * oimon notices for the first time he has a play button on his keyboard [10:48] doesnt work :( [10:49] i get a "no entry" type sign pop up [10:49] (rb isnt open) [10:49] you need to have rb already running i think, or something else that accepts the key [10:49] i just pressed play on the sound menu and it opened rb [10:49] but doesnt play anything [10:50] that doesnt seem right [10:50] popey: it does here [10:50] heh, spotify has its own indicator, so if you run that you can alt play :) [10:50] not if rb is closed [10:51] well, not if rb has never been opened [10:51] * AlanBell presses play [10:51] i.e. do that from a clean boot [10:51] i also have a music symbol key [10:51] RB starts, but nothing plays [10:51] popey: I went to the indicator and click play it started playing the first track in my music lib [10:51] yes, if you have previously had rb open it does davmor2 [10:51] but not if it's clean boot [10:51] popey: ah right with you sorry [10:51] * AlanBell presses play again and some stuff starts [10:51] * popey files a bug [10:52] wow spotify isn't crashing for me [10:52] its failing to log into facebook so i guess that has something to do with it [10:52] popey: it could be that it open RB see no music and decides to wait till you decide what to play maybe as it builds the lib once it is open and not before iirc [10:52] I dont care why ☺ [10:53] popey: I know you don't I'm just giving a possible cause so you can add it to the bug :P [10:53] does spotify work off recommendations? ie what you have already listened to? i fear i may be biasing it by testing it with eurovision tracks [10:56] gord: possibly [10:56] popey: Sorry, I got dragged into a Mumble call. :) The 1008HA is atom-based too, right? [10:57] gord: I've not linked my fb account to spotify. Refuse to [10:58] i've degraded my facebook account to just being a contact point for apps now really, apps connect to it, i never go to the website [10:59] Fair enough :) [11:00] i'm sure everyone else i know gets spammed with stuff my apps are saying ;) [11:00] yes JamesTait [11:00] JamesTait: basically all asus 1xxx laptops are the same [11:00] minor differences here and there [11:01] there's a couple of newer models with the pine-trail cpu which is better on battery, but they're all 1.6GHz atoms [11:01] (except mine which are 900Mhz Celerons) [11:01] popey: Cool. So I'll upgrade her RAM and go for it I think. [11:01] yeah, 2GB would be good [11:01] it's a massive balls-ache to do btw [11:01] well, the clamshell one wifey has is [11:02] I switched the disk for an SSD at the same time [11:02] gave it a new lease of life [11:02] I installed 12.04 on my eeepc1000, think it might be too much for the poor thing [11:03] I actually had 2GB in there at one stage, but I think it was the wrong type - I put the DIMMs from the EeePC 701 in it, and it didn't like it. [11:03] So I changed it back to 1GB and now it's swapping a lot. :-/ [11:03] JamesTait: watch the youtube video, iirc it is remove screws, remove keyboard, remove top cover, remove wifi, remove mobo add ram reverse to put it back but popey can possibly confirm [11:04] Upgrading the ram in my 1000 wasn't difficult. Or I don't recall it being difficult [11:04] popey, davmor2: This one is quite easy, it has a little hatch on the bottom. :) [11:05] * JamesTait blinks at the chuffing great military helicopter that just flew over his house. [11:08] Bewitched style? [11:09] bug 966132 [11:09] Launchpad bug 966132 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Rhythmbox doesn't play when started from indicator" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/966132 [11:09] please to be confirming === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting TBA #ubuntu-uk-meeting | \o/ AWESOME \o/ | Cookies! ⛂ [11:15] popey, can't confirm =\ from a cold boot, hadn't loaded anything, took a second or so to load my library but then started playing music [11:16] ☹ [11:16] also cannot reproduce [11:17] however [11:17] searching u1 music from the dash still doesn't work for me [11:17] hmmm [11:17] searching u1 music has always been a bit flaky, server side is slow =\ [11:18] it works until i click on a result [11:18] then rhythmbox loads up and gives an error [11:18] "Error while getting credentials: [11:18] The '/org/freedesktop/secrets/collection/login/6' object does not exist" [11:18] known bug? [11:19] ah, no idea, maybe ask the u1 peoples [11:27] bug 966144 [11:27] Launchpad bug 966144 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "U1 music store: Error while getting credentials" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/966144 [11:31] * popey confirms [11:31] * popey pokes aquarius [11:34] * bigcalm misreads that as porks, sorry :( [11:34] sure, blame aquarius for every u1 bug [11:34] directhex: isn't that what he's here for? [11:35] yes [11:35] what's the best android phone to get these days? [11:35] SGS3 [11:35] But it's not out yet [11:35] hah, what about is ou [11:35] *out [11:36] SGS2 [11:37] This is my problem, I want the SGS3, but my contract is due for renewal 6th April. [11:37] SGS3 it rumoured to be out 22nd May (or reviled at least) [11:39] so wait? [11:44] you don't have to renew contract same day it ends you know [11:45] bug 966151 [11:45] Launchpad bug 966151 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel oops when unplugging USB devices" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/966151 [11:45] nice [11:45] well [11:46] if the keyboard had already stopped responding [11:46] then likely the bug happened much earlier before the oops [11:46] popey, pong [11:46] * popey points bug 966144 at aquarius [11:46] I used to get a kernel panic when unplugging power after unplugging my network cable [11:46] Launchpad bug 966144 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "U1 music store: Error while getting credentials" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/966144 [11:46] my keyboard stops responding all the time, have to unplug and replug, very annoying [11:46] or vice versa [11:46] popey, you wanna talk to dobey about that [11:46] * popey points ali1234 at dobey ☺ [11:47] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/98525892/CurrentDmesg.txt <- popey, your dmesg is spammed with errors [11:47] yes [11:47] likely the real bug scrolled off the end :( [11:47] the keyboard failing [11:48] you should check in the /var/log/messages or whatever it is called these days, in case there is anything else relevant [11:48] /var/log/syslog maybe [11:48] ali1234: I don't know how these things work [11:48] I have discounts on my contract I don't want to lose [11:48] you won't lose anything [11:49] you might have to negotiate [11:49] you'll just carry on paying what you were paying [11:49] * bigcalm reluctantly waits [11:49] no you won't [11:49] why not? [11:49] you will pay "standard price" until you renew the contract [11:49] then you will pay your cheaper negotiated rate [11:49] thats not what happens in my experience [11:49] T-Mobile [11:49] yes, i use t-mobile [11:50] Friend's and Family half price line rental [11:50] what [11:50] :) [11:50] never heard of it [11:50] this is a mobile contract right? [11:50] I don't think it exists any more. [11:50] No, it's a discount [11:50] A friend of mine used to work for T-Mobile [11:50] how can you have half price line rental? [11:51] She got me that discount back when I would keep the discount even if she left [11:51] how much is full price line rental? [11:51] Good question [11:51] 35 quid I think [11:52] so you're paying 17.50 per month *just* for having the contract, plus whatever extras? [11:52] And it gets applied to any other contract I renew with (iirc) [11:52] That includes a handset [11:52] i pay £10 a month and that includes a handset [11:52] and "unlimited" internet [11:52] Ho hum [11:53] basically i think your "discount" is so old it is no longer a discount [11:53] Which tarrif is that? [11:53] i dunno, the cheapest one obviously [11:53] What handset did you get with it? [11:53] a very cheap one [11:53] I don't want a very cheap one :) [11:54] lol nokia lumia 710 is FREE [11:54] oh wait, US store [11:54] the lumia 710 is currently the lowest-end lumia [11:54] it's a £280 handset, so free is a normal price to charge on a contract [11:55] yeah all the phones are free [11:55] From the t-mobile site, the cheapest 18 month contract with 750mb/month is 26quid [11:55] no [11:55] you are reading it wrong [11:56] the cheapest if £15/month [11:56] And to have the sgs2 on that would be an extra 150 quid [11:56] then you get £5 off for renewing [11:57] Why can I never remember my t-mobile login? [11:57] Grr [12:01] So you think that I can leave everything alone until the sgs3 is out? [12:01] no probably not [12:01] Grumble [12:02] so let me get this straight [12:02] I'll pop into a shop at some point soon to check what the score is [12:02] under your current contract [12:02] you pick the £36/month contract, get the free phone, but then only pay £18? [12:03] I checked my account, it's 29.79 with a 14.90 discount [12:03] That includes 180 quid of credit to use on calls and texts [12:04] the plans are totally different now [12:04] My last bill was 17.87, due to vat [12:04] if you let the contract expire you can do this [12:05] get a 24 month, £36/month contract, with internet, 600mins/600texts, get £5 off that for renewing, and get the SGS II for freeeee [12:05] so assuming the SGS3 is same price you could do that [12:06] That would double what I'm paying already and lock me into 24 months [12:06] so [12:06] you have to renew then [12:07] also who cares about 24 months? [12:07]