| snap-l | Good morning | 11:10 |
|---|---|---|
| rick_h | morning | 11:11 |
| jrwren | good mornin | 12:50 |
| jrwren | does flav still idle here? | 12:51 |
| jrwren | n0p: is there such a thing as idiomatic PHP? where can I learn about it? where is PHP's version of pep8 ? | 12:52 |
| jrwren | yes, i'm doing PHP. lemme know if you would like a new job :) | 12:52 |
| rick_h | widox: is the other PHP guy | 12:52 |
| rick_h | Zend coding standards I think the pep8 of the php world | 12:52 |
| rick_h | http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/coding-standard.html | 12:52 |
| jrwren | thanks rick_h | 12:53 |
| rick_h | I'm far enough out that idiomatic might be a stretch for me. I mean it does have namespaces now and such | 12:53 |
| jrwren | i have not seen them used. | 12:54 |
| jrwren | but that is a great point. i should be glad that classes are even used on thsi project :) | 12:54 |
| rick_h | lol | 12:54 |
| rick_h | it seems to have gotten better. I think I saw mixins in the latest release | 12:55 |
| jrwren | we are still on 4.something, I think. | 12:56 |
| rick_h | no way | 12:56 |
| jrwren | oh, 5.3.10 | 12:56 |
| jrwren | i'm surprised | 12:56 |
| rick_h | well in that case you're doomed | 12:56 |
| jrwren | well, its in an embeded system. | 12:56 |
| jrwren | hehe. that is waht the indian guy said. | 12:56 |
| rick_h | ah, ok better. So I think 5.3 added namespaces | 12:56 |
| rick_h | yea, but I was using 5.1 5+ years ago | 12:57 |
| jrwren | but basically the web front end for network appliances | 12:57 |
| rick_h | but yea, ok 5.3 would be reasonable I'd think | 12:57 |
| jrwren | ok, we are alreayd not following the first two of the zend coding standards. *sigh* | 12:57 |
| jrwren | Zend_Db_Table lives in Zend/Db/ folder *sigh* | 12:58 |
| jrwren | nope, not doing that eithr. | 12:58 |
| rick_h | heh, well then have fun :) | 12:59 |
| jrwren | its ok, a lot of these are stupid. | 12:59 |
| jrwren | way too much java influence in teh PHP world. | 12:59 |
| jrwren | PHP might as well just be typeless java :p | 13:00 |
| rick_h | yea, but it's something. The trouble is that you can get away with doing none of it | 13:00 |
| snap-l | jrwren: PHP for me is backwater Perl. :) | 13:00 |
| jrwren | current codebase is doing none of it, and honestly, I think I like it ;) | 13:00 |
| jrwren | snap-l: hehe, good point. maybe those that want to write java in perl choose php? | 13:01 |
| jrwren | luckily i won't be doing this PHP for very long | 13:02 |
| snap-l | famous last words. | 13:02 |
| widox | jrwren: heh, if you want Java influenced PHP look at symfony | 13:02 |
| jrwren | widox: i DONT want java influcenced php | 13:02 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Oh come now, what could be better than half-assed OO in a half-assed template language? | 13:03 |
| snap-l | (trololololol) | 13:04 |
| jrwren | i have great respect for PHP. I love wordpress. | 13:04 |
| jrwren | i'm convinced that it is possible to have a "good" php codebase. | 13:05 |
| jrwren | i've just never seen one :) | 13:05 |
| jrwren | because good is subjective | 13:05 |
| jrwren | and what I think is bad, many p eople think is good. | 13:05 |
| jrwren | and visa versa. | 13:05 |
| jrwren | but I'm right, and tehy are wrong ;p | 13:05 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I've seen some elegance in PHP code | 13:07 |
| snap-l | much in the same way that I can see elegance in a broken teapot | 13:07 |
| snap-l | And there are some good PHP codebases out there | 13:08 |
| jrwren | i haven't looked at WP code in a while, has it cleaned up any? | 13:08 |
| snap-l | and some that have some major issues. | 13:08 |
| snap-l | jrwren: WP 3 made some pretty big improvements | 13:08 |
| jrwren | i have hacked on some WP plugins recently, and its been damned easy. | 13:08 |
| jrwren | about the only thing i got out of those zend coding standards were doc comments :( | 13:41 |
| jrwren | 5.4 added traits | 14:03 |
| jrwren | interesting. | 14:03 |
| rick_h | yea | 14:03 |
| jrwren | the more i learn about ruby, the more i love python | 14:03 |
| rick_h | yep | 14:03 |
| jrwren | and please don't repeat it around rubyists. i realize that statement is flamebait | 14:04 |
| rick_h | there are a couple of things I like in ruby land, but really can't ever get where I want to do it vs python | 14:04 |
| tjagoda | http://dissociatedpress.net/2012/03/27/ubuntu-were-not-linux/ | 14:25 |
| tjagoda | ping rick_h | 14:25 |
| rick_h | tjagoda: howdy | 14:25 |
| rick_h | heh, saw that link. I pretty much ignore Joe :) | 14:25 |
| tjagoda | I think he's got the hots for SUSE | 14:26 |
| rick_h | meh, he's got the hots for Canonical bashing. We had this argument around the Locos concept on OLF | 14:26 |
| tjagoda | Or some weird pseudo-communist view of open source contribution | 14:26 |
| tjagoda | He was once the OpenSUSE community manager | 14:26 |
| rick_h | yea | 14:27 |
| tjagoda | his hatred of the brown and orange flows deep | 14:27 |
| tjagoda | I made a few replies, and he generally ignored my points about "Why is this surprising, they are operating at financial loss ffs" | 14:27 |
| rick_h | tjagoda: yea, I mean he's not exactly been unbiased for some time. | 14:29 |
| tjagoda | it is kind of weird that they mask Linux under the Ubuntu brand though | 14:32 |
| tjagoda | I get why they do it | 14:32 |
| tjagoda | But it seems like a big risk of slighting people | 14:32 |
| brousch | rick_h: you on the michipug mailing list? | 14:34 |
| rick_h | brousch: yea | 14:34 |
| rick_h | last I looked I think. Pretty low key | 14:34 |
| brousch | ok, then i won't forward this to you | 14:34 |
| brousch | some guy asking about metro detroit python | 14:34 |
| rick_h | k | 14:34 |
| rick_h | brousch: ah ok I see the email. I'll reply about CHC and such. thanks | 14:36 |
| jrwren | wow. | 14:40 |
| jrwren | that ubuntu we're not linux post is scathing. | 14:40 |
| jrwren | who is this jerk? | 14:40 |
| jrwren | I know for sure that a lot of what he says is b.s. | 14:41 |
| tjagoda | Joe Brockmier | 14:41 |
| tjagoda | I'm uncomfortable when jrwren agrees with me | 14:41 |
| tjagoda | Feels like the universe has somehow lost balance | 14:41 |
| rick_h | man, I need to update the CHC site still, I suck | 14:42 |
| rick_h | anyone feel like volunteering to learn how to setup the appengine crap? | 14:42 |
| brousch | i have used appengine | 14:43 |
| Blazeix | i'd also be willing to learn. i'll be at CHC tomorrow | 14:47 |
| brousch | like anything, it has its good and bad points | 14:49 |
| rick_h | Blazeix: cool, we'll make it a goal to get the site updated. It's a horrible little app | 14:49 |
| rick_h | Blazeix: what's your gmail address you use mainly? | 14:49 |
| Blazeix | rick_h: wafuqua | 14:50 |
| rick_h | Blazeix: ok, email sent | 14:50 |
| Blazeix | thanks, accepted | 14:51 |
| brousch | if it's little, how horrible can it be? | 15:00 |
| _Marcus | Viruses are small, and yet they can still kill you. | 15:02 |
| snap-l | Joe tends to be a more moderate opinion in the FLOSS world | 15:14 |
| snap-l | but yeah, I think he's putting way too much stock in word choice | 15:14 |
| brousch | _Marcus: but they multiply into many. i don't think that's likely with a GAE app | 15:15 |
| jrwren | really? that is moderate? | 15:15 |
| snap-l | but, then again, he's a writer. Writers tend to choose their words very carefully, and expect the same in others. | 15:15 |
| jrwren | well then fuck the FLOSS world. | 15:15 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Compared with some of the tools I've seen, yes. | 15:15 |
| jrwren | i do agree with him a bit about rhetoric toward RHAT. | 15:15 |
| snap-l | jrwren: He at least acknowledges Ubuntu. :) | 15:16 |
| _Marcus | brousch: GAE = Google App Engine? | 15:16 |
| jrwren | what happened to "we are all in this together agianst the closed source vendors" | 15:16 |
| snap-l | I think the biggest problem is people see Mark as a technologist | 15:16 |
| brousch | _Marcus: correct | 15:16 |
| snap-l | when he's a very motivated salesperson | 15:16 |
| _Marcus | brousch: Google products are strange things, you never know what could happen | 15:16 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Agreed, but Mark Shuttleworth is trying to sell a product | 15:17 |
| snap-l | plain and simple. | 15:17 |
| jrwren | really? what product is that? | 15:17 |
| snap-l | Ubuntu as a server | 15:17 |
| snap-l | Ubuntu as a cloud platform | 15:17 |
| snap-l | Ubuntu as a single-source for all of your server needs | 15:17 |
| jrwren | then he is doing a terrible job, because I didn't even know about these product offereings :) | 15:18 |
| jrwren | he needs to hire a salesforce. | 15:18 |
| jrwren | speaking of which, who are his salesmen? | 15:18 |
| snap-l | jrwren: That I couldn't tell you. | 15:19 |
| tjagoda | Ubuntu rolls up something like 1200 new cloud instances every day | 16:37 |
| tjagoda | According to an interview with their CEO | 16:37 |
| tjagoda | The sales departments are still in the process of growing, it was founded very engineer-heavy | 16:38 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: As it should be | 16:38 |
| jrwren | snap-l: why should it be enginner-heavy ? | 16:38 |
| tjagoda | At start up it should be | 16:38 |
| tjagoda | The rest of its life it should not be | 16:39 |
| jrwren | does canonical even qualify as a startup anymore? its been 8 yrs, right? | 16:39 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Once you get marketing folks involved, they tend to push out the engineers | 16:39 |
| tjagoda | I'd still call them a start up | 16:39 |
| tjagoda | They'll be start ups until they reach critical mass | 16:39 |
| jrwren | did RHAT reach critical mass? | 16:40 |
| tjagoda | Definitely | 16:40 |
| jrwren | what does critical mass even look like for RHAT or canonical ? | 16:40 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I'd say once they go solely into maintenance mode, they'll stop being a start-up | 16:40 |
| tjagoda | They roll in the pimp moneydollars | 16:40 |
| snap-l | jrwren: RHAT is no longer a start-up | 16:40 |
| snap-l | they are the first OSS Billion dollar company | 16:40 |
| jrwren | snap-l: but RHAT isn't solely in maintenance mode. | 16:41 |
| tjagoda | Red Hat swims in pools of money | 16:41 |
| tjagoda | In other news | 16:41 |
| jrwren | zomg, if RHAT swims in money, i don't want to live in open source land. | 16:41 |
| tjagoda | RMS fills me with anger | 16:41 |
| snap-l | jrwren: It is the way of things | 16:41 |
| snap-l | SUN used to be an OSS company | 16:41 |
| jrwren | when did they change ticker to RHT? | 16:42 |
| tjagoda | Then they started swimming in pools of money | 16:42 |
| jrwren | SUN was NEVER an OSS company | 16:42 |
| tjagoda | Ironically though | 16:42 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Bull | 16:42 |
| tjagoda | Most of Red hats $$$ come from commerical proprietary software | 16:42 |
| jrwren | if you think SUN was EVER OSS, then you are delusional. | 16:42 |
| jrwren | what Redhat $$$ comes from commercial proprietary software? | 16:42 |
| snap-l | jrwren: SUN was OSS before any of us knew what SUN was. They were a UNIX distribution company that started making hardware | 16:42 |
| tjagoda | Huge, huge swaths | 16:43 |
| tjagoda | Please hold while I google | 16:43 |
| jrwren | snap-l: you realize that SunOS and Solaris were closed source until well into 2000s ? | 16:43 |
| jrwren | that is not OSS | 16:43 |
| snap-l | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Microsystems#History | 16:43 |
| snap-l | And once they came out of the post-bubble crash, they started opening things back up again | 16:44 |
| jrwren | and JAVA was never open source until openjava. | 16:44 |
| snap-l | I fully believe Sun would have become an OSS company had they not screwed up their finances. | 16:44 |
| jrwren | so now its that they would have been... | 16:44 |
| jrwren | not that they were. | 16:44 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Right | 16:44 |
| tjagoda | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9931271-16.html | 16:44 |
| jrwren | good. | 16:44 |
| tjagoda | That articles a bit old | 16:44 |
| jrwren | agreed. | 16:44 |
| jrwren | Sun was never an OSS company | 16:44 |
| tjagoda | But it's what I was referring to | 16:44 |
| tjagoda | Red hat makes a lot of $$$ from selling Lotus and etc. Linux-enabled | 16:45 |
| jrwren | Lotus ? | 16:45 |
| jrwren | that is IBM owned is it not? | 16:45 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: RHAT doesn't have much to do with Lotus. | 16:45 |
| tjagoda | Did I say they wrote/owned Lotus? | 16:45 |
| jrwren | you implied it. | 16:45 |
| tjagoda | I did not | 16:46 |
| tjagoda | Linux-enabled | 16:46 |
| jrwren | your claim is false. sorry. | 16:46 |
| snap-l | Oh FFS | 16:46 |
| tjagoda | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9931271-16.html | 16:46 |
| tjagoda | Go read | 16:46 |
| snap-l | that article is rubbish in the first two paragraphs. | 16:46 |
| jrwren | RHT has no clsoed source software. | 16:46 |
| tjagoda | They sell Lotus Domino from IBM on Red hat services as bundles | 16:46 |
| jrwren | I see. | 16:46 |
| tjagoda | They do a lot of stuff like that | 16:46 |
| jrwren | 12:42 tjagoda| Most of Red hats $$$ come from commerical proprietary software | 16:46 |
| tjagoda | where they bundle the proprietary onto the open | 16:46 |
| jrwren | my bad. | 16:46 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: And Oracle sells Oracle DB on RHAT-derived Linux | 16:46 |
| jrwren | I assumed this was RHT's proprietary software. | 16:46 |
| jrwren | but you mean other proprietary software. | 16:47 |
| tjagoda | Correct | 16:47 |
| jrwren | "come from" means lots of things there. | 16:47 |
| jrwren | lots of abiguity | 16:47 |
| snap-l | God, apparently today is semantic bingo | 16:47 |
| jrwren | semantics are important. | 16:47 |
| snap-l | Yes, but two articles about OSS semantics | 16:47 |
| snap-l | The jzb article and the Matt Asay article | 16:47 |
| jrwren | yeah, no shit. | 16:48 |
| snap-l | slow fucking new day. | 16:48 |
| tjagoda | The core of my point was trying to express that a non-insignificant portion of RHT revenue comes from selling bundled proprietary stuff on RHT platforms | 16:48 |
| snap-l | news | 16:48 |
| jrwren | taht is from 4 yrs ago. | 16:48 |
| jrwren | tjagoda: definitely agree. | 16:48 |
| snap-l | Ah, didn't see the date. | 16:48 |
| jrwren | I'd guess that at least 25% if not 50% of RHT revenue comes from selling RHEL support for running oracle installs. | 16:48 |
| tjagoda | The only thing Red Hat itself has that is not open is their OpenShift platform | 16:49 |
| snap-l | I'd argue that there's a lot less Domino sales nowadays | 16:49 |
| snap-l | Microsoft has pretty much eaten that market with Exchange | 16:49 |
| snap-l | Now it's all Exchange and Exchange-compatibles. | 16:49 |
| tjagoda | If you want a recent article talking about red hat and proprietary stuff go read the Ars Tech one that ran a couple weeks ago, I think it's a footnote in there | 16:50 |
| jrwren | GM is still Notes :( | 16:50 |
| snap-l | jrwren: They're the last of the big three to use notes | 16:50 |
| snap-l | Chrysler recently switched | 16:50 |
| jrwren | i wonder if RHT is anti GPL3 now that they have built openshift on OSS stuff | 16:51 |
| tjagoda | I'm sure they will eventual OSS OpenShift | 16:51 |
| tjagoda | They have a rather proven track record in all their proprietary acquisitions eventually getting OSS'ed | 16:51 |
| snap-l | http://www.ihatelotusnotes.com/ | 16:52 |
| jrwren | i'm not sure why I would use openshift over heroku | 16:52 |
| jrwren | heroku seems to be market leader int aht space right now | 16:52 |
| snap-l | jrwren: All it takes is a few months of effort to unseat a leader | 16:52 |
| snap-l | especially in cloud foo | 16:52 |
| jrwren | snap-l: ubuntu bug zero (or is it bug 1) suggests otherwise. | 16:53 |
| tjagoda | I chuckle at the irony of OpenShift being closed source, however | 16:53 |
| tjagoda | ClosedShift must not sell as well =P | 16:53 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I should have clarified in the cloud space | 16:53 |
| snap-l | since it is so new. | 16:53 |
| rick_h | meh, all about who you trust, how the costs work out, etc | 16:53 |
| jrwren | i disagree on cloud too. | 16:54 |
| rick_h | heroku is a leader, but also most people that scale out of heroku pretty easily and end up needing/looking at other things | 16:54 |
| jrwren | AWS ownz | 16:54 |
| jrwren | rick_h: exactly. | 16:54 |
| tjagoda | Read an article on AWS cloud infrastructure | 16:54 |
| tjagoda | holy jesus | 16:54 |
| tjagoda | thats a lot of servers | 16:54 |
| jrwren | although maybe that means snap-l is right and there is a space that for a new player | 16:54 |
| rick_h | yea, but even AWS requires special things. End of hte day apps have different pain points and if you scale out large enough you need to tweak our setup | 16:55 |
| snap-l | jrwren: s/maybe// ;) | 16:55 |
| rick_h | there's no silver bullet | 16:55 |
| jrwren | if you scale big enough it can even make sense to get off AWS and run your own datacente. | 16:55 |
| jrwren | no silver bullet | 16:55 |
| rick_h | jrwren: yea, but I do have to say the articles coming out of netflix and sticking with AWS is interesting | 16:55 |
| tjagoda | Almost 500,000 individual servers make up the EC2 cloud | 16:56 |
| tjagoda | and just the EC2 cloud | 16:56 |
| jrwren | www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~cah/G51ISS/Documents/NoSilverBullet.html | 16:56 |
| tjagoda | That's terrifying | 16:56 |
| rick_h | meh, I think you'd be surprised at how many servers there are out there. | 16:56 |
| tjagoda | "454,400 Blade Servers, in a total of 7,100 racks" | 16:56 |
| jrwren | rick_h: agreed, but I think maybe netflix just employs engineers that are taking NIH too far.. | 16:56 |
| jrwren | sometimes NIH is a GOOD attitude | 16:56 |
| rick_h | jrwren: yea, it's just interesting to see/read | 16:57 |
| rick_h | amazing how long you can work around/with a vendor to keep going | 16:57 |
| jrwren | yup | 16:58 |
| tjagoda | Did you ever see the CPU Utilization story from AWS? | 16:58 |
| tjagoda | I found that interesting | 16:58 |
| greg-g | so, jzb article, discuss | 16:58 |
| * greg-g chuckles because he did see it mentioned in the scroll back, but he didn't read it all :) | 16:58 | |
| tjagoda | http://huanliu.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/host-server-cpu-utilization-in-amazon-ec2-cloud/ | 16:58 |
| tjagoda | You should scroll back | 16:59 |
| tjagoda | we've already had jrwren argue over it | 16:59 |
| jrwren | we did? | 16:59 |
| tjagoda | comment* | 16:59 |
| jrwren | i thought we agreed over it :p | 16:59 |
| tjagoda | Its a habit | 16:59 |
| greg-g | so, is jzb right, wrong, or in between? | 16:59 |
| tjagoda | I'm used to saying argue and jrwren in the same sentance | 16:59 |
| jrwren | i dunno if "that guy is an idiot" counts as.... nvm | 17:00 |
| greg-g | hah | 17:00 |
| greg-g | :) | 17:00 |
| tjagoda | He defends his position very bitterly in the comments | 17:02 |
| tjagoda | Estimates say google has around 1 million servers | 17:03 |
| tjagoda | so amazon EC2 is worth .5 googles | 17:04 |
| jrwren | and that is just EC2 | 17:06 |
| jrwren | that isn't counting S3 | 17:06 |
| tjagoda | Yeah, no S3 and etc | 17:06 |
| jrwren | and all the other AWS offerings. | 17:06 |
| jrwren | which are HUGE | 17:06 |
| greg-g | Re my pain in getting U1 setup on Debian: Even Canonical's own numbers show they should fucking support Debian for Ubuntu One: http://blog.canonical.com/wp-content/uploads//2012/03/OSes-preference.png | 17:32 |
| greg-g | good thing they have an iphone client (6th! place) | 17:32 |
| * greg-g grumble fucking grumble | 17:32 | |
| tjagoda | u1 on win is a smoking pile of garbage | 17:34 |
| greg-g | which makes total fucking sense in Canonical's point of view since Windows is the most widely used second operating system for Ubuntu users | 17:35 |
| tjagoda | So they develop in reverse order? | 17:36 |
| tjagoda | BRING ON THE BLACKBERRY CLIENT, BABY | 17:36 |
| greg-g | sorry, I'm annoyed at this because Canonical is just U1 development wrong, period. No ifs ands or buts about it. Asheesh summarizes in a comment nicely: http://blog.grossmeier.net/2012/02/26/ubuntuone-debian/#comment-9398 | 17:37 |
| greg-g | tjagoda: :) | 17:37 |
| greg-g | s/is just U1/is just doing U1/ | 17:38 |
| tjagoda | Although | 17:39 |
| tjagoda | Jono has a good point | 17:39 |
| tjagoda | They aren't doing it by volume, they're doing it by "willingness to pay" | 17:39 |
| tjagoda | So its on the iphone because those suckers are used to shelling out tons of $$ for services | 17:39 |
| tjagoda | and so forth | 17:39 |
| tjagoda | Debian is obviously full of cheap bastards | 17:39 |
| tjagoda | =P | 17:39 |
| greg-g | and Windows users? | 17:39 |
| tjagoda | So confused that they'll pay for anything | 17:40 |
| greg-g | also, way to improve Ubuntu/Debian relations /me grumble | 17:40 |
| tjagoda | Debian being so freedom focused | 17:40 |
| greg-g | I'm huffing and puffing over here, I think my coworkers think there is something wrong with my lungs/nose | 17:40 |
| tjagoda | They'd set the platform on fire before they shipped with u1 | 17:40 |
| greg-g | wrong, they'd ship it in a heart beat, the code on the desktop is all FLOSS | 17:41 |
| tjagoda | Really? | 17:41 |
| tjagoda | I thought parts of u1 were closed | 17:41 |
| greg-g | yeah, just the server is proprietary | 17:41 |
| tjagoda | ahh | 17:41 |
| greg-g | so, the argument many make is "it's just like a web browser surfing cnn.com (or whatever)" | 17:41 |
| tjagoda | That argument works for people that are Iceweasel levels of crazy? | 17:42 |
| tjagoda | "Supreme Court expresses skepticism over constitutionality of health care mandate" | 17:44 |
| tjagoda | Ohshi- | 17:44 |
| tjagoda | PREPARE FOR A FIRST OF FIERY CONSERVATIVE JUSTICE, AMERICA! | 17:44 |
| _stink_ | hey, is there audio of the hearings available in full anywhere? | 17:45 |
| tjagoda | Health Care 2.0 will just involve sending the sick to Canda. | 17:45 |
| _stink_ | i confess i haven't looked yet | 17:45 |
| tjagoda | Canada* | 17:45 |
| tjagoda | Dunno | 17:45 |
| tjagoda | http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news/218455-audio-day-two-of-supreme-court-healthcare-argements | 17:46 |
| tjagoda | ? | 17:46 |
| tjagoda | I didn't hit play | 17:46 |
| tjagoda | it could just be a recording or newsbite | 17:46 |
| _stink_ | http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_audio_detail.aspx?argument=11-398-Tuesday | 17:46 |
| greg-g | people were waiting in line for today's hearing since last friday | 17:46 |
| rick_h | greg-g: +1 on the U1 disaster bits | 17:46 |
| _stink_ | http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_audio_detail.aspx?argument=11-398-Monday | 17:47 |
| _stink_ | fwiw | 17:47 |
| rick_h | though if you follow the job apps there's windows positions and mac positions out there for U1 | 17:47 |
| greg-g | rick_h: w00t. I got one Canonical employee to agree ;) | 17:47 |
| greg-g | rick_h: oh! cool (kinda, I guess) :) | 17:47 |
| tjagoda | The one who works in launchpad | 17:47 |
| tjagoda | he can edit the blueprints | 17:47 |
| rick_h | greg-g: yea, I feel bad I'm a non-user, but it's really a mess | 17:47 |
| greg-g | clandestinely | 17:47 |
| tjagoda | to give you right priority | 17:47 |
| rick_h | heh, if you think U1 dev follows a blueprint you're confused :P | 17:48 |
| greg-g | lol | 17:48 |
| greg-g | and | 17:48 |
| greg-g | :( | 17:48 |
| tjagoda | I wanted to use U1 on Windows to sync between my Ubuntu laptop and Win7 desktop | 17:48 |
| rick_h | we do have marketing/mgt type people as well as engineers | 17:48 |
| * greg-g nods | 17:48 | |
| tjagoda | But the win client is a steaming pile of crap | 17:48 |
| greg-g | tjagoda: I suggest you report a bug with that in the title | 17:48 |
| greg-g | :) | 17:48 |
| tjagoda | lol | 17:48 |
| tjagoda | I mean | 17:48 |
| tjagoda | ffs | 17:48 |
| rick_h | I'm sure it'd get a bunch of positive comments :) | 17:49 |
| tjagoda | it didn't even have error exceptions | 17:49 |
| tjagoda | there were no timeouts when it was failing to login | 17:49 |
| tjagoda | it just kept trying like some kind of mentally challenged lab mouse | 17:49 |
| greg-g | haha, good visual | 17:49 |
| rick_h | https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=389 | 17:50 |
| rick_h | and there are others for iOS mobile and such | 17:51 |
| tjagoda | I applied for my third Canonical position today | 17:51 |
| tjagoda | Technical Account Manager | 17:51 |
| tjagoda | My previous attempts include Launchpad Support and Operational Sysadmin | 17:51 |
| greg-g | Required skills and experience | 17:52 |
| greg-g | String communication and cooperation skills | 17:52 |
| greg-g | lolz | 17:52 |
| tjagoda | omg | 17:52 |
| _stink_ | allow me to communicate how poorly i cooperate | 17:52 |
| tjagoda | In a strong manner | 17:53 |
| tjagoda | sorry | 17:53 |
| tjagoda | a string manner* | 17:53 |
| greg-g | _stink_: as long as you use strings to do it, you're hired | 17:53 |
| _stink_ | augh, i have an enum from which i will use random entries :( | 17:53 |
| _stink_ | ah well. | 17:53 |
| greg-g | hah, see, I was thinking like soup cans and string | 17:54 |
| _stink_ | i suppose i should have gone with something more like string theory | 17:55 |
| _stink_ | i'm so far removed :P | 17:55 |
| greg-g | _stink_: :( | 17:55 |
| _stink_ | yeah. | 17:55 |
| tjagoda | Hey Rick_H | 17:58 |
| tjagoda | Do you understand the TAM location posting? | 17:58 |
| tjagoda | It says from home on the listing, but mentions houston in the detail | 17:58 |
| rick_h | tjagoda: TAM? | 17:58 |
| tjagoda | Technical Account Mana. | 17:59 |
| rick_h | tjagoda: linky | 17:59 |
| rick_h | I didn't look at it so not sure | 17:59 |
| tjagoda | https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=428 | 17:59 |
| rick_h | tjagoda: not sure | 18:00 |
| tjagoda | I operated under the "when in doubt, apply" method | 18:01 |
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| brousch | whoa. both of my bugs reported during our bug jam have been confirmed | 19:03 |
| _stink_ | o/ | 19:12 |
| snap-l | brousch: Now for the hard part: getting them fixed. | 19:14 |
| brousch | i think they're both trivial | 19:15 |
| snap-l | Just received a rhythmbox one that was triaged, but then marked as invalid because upstream managed to fix it a year ago. | 19:15 |
| snap-l | I <3 SPAM: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/2aOvB6n5wKeuJgMx3GJd/ | 19:18 |
| greg-g | brousch: links? | 19:19 |
| snap-l | http://paste.mitechie.com/show/vwwrHB1dqLFl68blvwLm/ | 19:19 |
| greg-g | wow, presidents of Nigera, USA, and England are involved with your money transfer? important money | 19:21 |
| rick_h | man I hate rrd...what a pita | 19:21 |
| snap-l | Queen of England, no less | 19:22 |
| greg-g | oh right, not president | 19:22 |
| snap-l | Not just the Prime Minister | 19:22 |
| _stink_ | i'm going to put a plaque in my cubicle saying i am the President of Englad. | 19:23 |
| _stink_ | England | 19:23 |
| snap-l | _stink_: Maybe you can get my money wired to me from nigeria | 19:30 |
| snap-l | I mean, Pres. Obama should be able to be persuaded | 19:30 |
| _stink_ | i'll give him a call | 19:32 |
| snap-l | tx | 19:32 |
| brousch | greg-g: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/945826 | 19:32 |
| brousch | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/945805 | 19:32 |
| snap-l | http://www.amazon.com/Songs-Crystal-Cave-Steven-Seagal/dp/B0009SQ520 | 19:34 |
| greg-g | brousch: wow, that first one is good | 19:52 |
| brousch | yeah, strange. must be no one ran the livecd and updated | 19:52 |
| greg-g | yeah | 19:52 |
| greg-g | want to waste some time? http://browserquest.mozilla.org/ | 19:55 |
| brousch | not loading for me | 19:57 |
| greg-g | stop using IE | 19:58 |
| _stink_ | there you go, you wasted the time trying to look at it | 19:58 |
| brousch | greg-g: :P | 19:58 |
| brousch | _stink_++ | 19:58 |
| _stink_ | spins for me too after clicking Play | 19:59 |
| _stink_ | maybe getting /.ted or something | 19:59 |
| brousch | i don't even get play | 19:59 |
| brousch | i think greg-g is trolling us | 20:00 |
| _stink_ | yeah | 20:00 |
| greg-g | serious? | 20:01 |
| greg-g | https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/03/browserquest/ | 20:01 |
| greg-g | are you using Fx 3.5? | 20:02 |
| _stink_ | HOW DARE YOU SIR | 20:02 |
| _stink_ | blaming the victim | 20:02 |
| greg-g | _stink_: :) | 20:02 |
| _stink_ | trying again | 20:02 |
| _stink_ | ooo here we go | 20:02 |
| _stink_ | be still my loins | 20:03 |
| snap-l | _stink_: Please don't set up these jokes | 20:03 |
| _stink_ | greg-g: what's your name on here? | 20:03 |
| _stink_ | snap-l: i give you an open platform on which to build | 20:03 |
| snap-l | OSRidicule | 20:04 |
| _stink_ | well that was fun. | 20:08 |
| jrwren | that is cool and all | 20:09 |
| jrwren | but i actually find the chrome 3d game to be more impressive | 20:09 |
| jrwren | Native Client is a sweet platform. | 20:11 |
| greg-g | _stink_: Phlegethon, my old school gaming name :) | 20:11 |
| greg-g | jrwren: link to that game? | 20:12 |
| snap-l | greg-g: THAT WAS YOU?!?!?!?! | 20:13 |
| snap-l | greg-g: WE HAVE NEVER GAMED BEFORE EVER. | 20:13 |
| snap-l | greg-g: ;) | 20:13 |
| jrwren | greg-g: http://chrome.supergiantgames.com/ | 20:14 |
| jrwren | Bastion is SWEET... not that I've played. | 20:14 |
| jrwren | but it is built with Unity, which has Mono embedded which runs on Native Client | 20:15 |
| greg-g | jrwren: "This application is not supported on this computer. Installation has been disabled." | 20:15 |
| jrwren | you don't have Native Client? | 20:15 |
| greg-g | no idea | 20:15 |
| greg-g | Chromium 17.0.963.79 | 20:15 |
| jrwren | do you have Chrome? | 20:15 |
| jrwren | where did you get the build? | 20:15 |
| greg-g | Ubuntu's repos for Oneiric | 20:16 |
| jrwren | greg-g: i was actually thinking about entanglement http://entanglement.gopherwoodstudios.com/ | 20:16 |
| jrwren | greg-g: ~r125985-0ubuntu ? or other ? | 20:17 |
| jrwren | whoa. | 20:19 |
| greg-g | greg@x220:~$ apt-cache policy chromium-browser | 20:23 |
| greg-g | chromium-browser: Installed: 17.0.963.79~r125985-0ubuntu0.11.10.1 | 20:23 |
| jrwren | yup. | 20:24 |
| jrwren | i don't see anything here about native client | 20:24 |
| jrwren | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/chromium-browser/precise/files/head:/debian/ | 20:24 |
| jrwren | I've also no idea how to search http://www.chromium.org/Home to find out if it has nativeclient | 20:24 |
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| greg-g | btw, I beat the game | 21:08 |
| greg-g | as in, I got the gold armor and sword :) | 21:08 |
| snap-l | yay | 21:10 |
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| snap-l | Evening, and such | 22:46 |
| greg-g | not even 4 | 22:46 |
| _Marcus | No, it's 6:47 | 22:48 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Here in God's timezone, it's 6:48 | 22:49 |
| greg-g | I run into that problem now so often. All these people on the east coast just say "I'm available at 9 or 1pm" I reply, assuming they know where CC is located with "Great! I'll call you at 9am Pacific" | 22:50 |
| greg-g | THEY JUST IGNORE THAT WORD THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND | 22:50 |
| greg-g | and I get an email at 6:30am with "well, I guess 9am didn't work, how's 1?" | 22:51 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Yeah, I've learned over time to add the timezone | 22:51 |
| greg-g | I DID! | 22:51 |
| greg-g | :) | 22:51 |
| snap-l | YOu need to translate it to EDT> :) | 22:52 |
| greg-g | bah, you center of the world people :) | 22:52 |
| snap-l | heh | 22:52 |
| === _Marcus is now known as _Marcus|NotHere | ||
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