[07:30] <Riddell> new builds today to test!
[07:31] <Riddell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/210/builds
[07:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: I still haven't seen an e-mail from you, only afiestas 
[07:37] <afiestas> oh that remembers to me that I got a bug to report
[07:37] <afiestas> Riddell: can you point me to the exact page toreport bugs for kontact/kdepim ? 
[07:38] <afiestas> yesterday I look for it for 20min :s
[07:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh wait, if I bother to look for it I do find your e-mail
[07:38] <Riddell> afiestas: upstream it's bugs.kde.org downstream bugs to launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim and click "report bug"
[07:39] <afiestas> it is really confusing that I can't get to that page from: https://bugs.launchpad.net/
[07:40] <Riddell> you can click on a link on that page for "Ubuntu" then click on "Report a bug"
[07:40] <Riddell> but yes it's not as easy as it should be, report a bug :)
[07:40] <Riddell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug
[07:40] <Riddell> launchpad are without designers just now though so I don't see it getting fixed
[07:45]  * afiestas is trying to reproduce the bug
[07:45]  * afiestas did reproduce the bug
[07:45] <Riddell> blame upstream!
[07:46] <afiestas> not sure it is upstream bug
[07:46] <afiestas> haven't seen this one on my self compiled kde
[07:48] <afiestas> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/28/plasma-windowedT19331.png
[07:48] <afiestas> those notifications are the welcome comite when you poen kontact for the first time xD
[07:50] <afiestas> first. folder .local/share/contacts does not exists and the folder contacts is not created
[07:51] <afiestas> we should include that in the skel? (in the case that a skel is still used?)
[07:51] <georgelappies> hi all, I am getting frequent crashes to a black or red screen where I have to hold the power button in to reboot the laptop on 12.04 is this a known issue for now? This didn't happen at all with 11.10
[08:00] <Riddell> not known to me
[08:00] <Riddell> sounds like a linux/X issue
[08:10] <starbuck> are you talking about the maildir error here: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/28/plasma-windowedT19331.png ?
[08:10] <afiestas> starbuck: I'm talking about all warnings but the first one which is not kdepim related
[08:11] <starbuck> ah okay
[08:11] <afiestas> first one I have debug is the one with "Personal Contacts:" as a title
[08:12] <afiestas> The two with "KMail" as a tittle seem to me like a bug in the email_resource, I have been having those warnings playing with WebAccounts
[08:12] <afiestas> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/966913 
[08:13] <afiestas> not sure where the folder should be created
[08:18] <Riddell> afiestas: thanks tagged
[08:19] <afiestas> the ones with KMail in the tittle seem fixed in master
[08:19] <afiestas> Riddell: we will be able to ship with 4.8.2 ? or should I ask for a backport?
[08:20] <Riddell> afiestas: I expect to do 4.8.2 yes
[08:20] <Riddell> should be a job for tomorrow that with any luck
[08:21] <afiestas> oks 
[08:21] <afiestas> I will ask kdepim just in case the patch didn't made it to 4.8.2
[08:21] <afiestas> (a few days ago I had this same warning in master)
[08:21]  * afiestas is now trying to hunt the last warning
[08:28] <afiestas> the Local Folders thing is the same bug, .local/share/local-mail must be created
[09:12] <Riddell> anyone get bug 966948 ?
[10:04] <afiestas> Riddell:  works great for me, do you have any extra plasmoid?
[10:07] <Riddell> afiestas: nope
[10:07] <Riddell> but I must have something in my set up that causes it
[10:08] <Riddell> needs time to track down though!
[10:08]  * Riddell goes back to iso testing
[10:11] <afiestas> Riddell:  can you send me (or attach in the bug) your plasma config?
[10:11] <afiestas> I can try to reproduce the bug
[10:11] <afiestas> be careful though it may contain private data such plasmoisd wtih text and that kind of stuff
[11:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: why surely I must be in your spam filter :)
[11:50] <apachelogger> afiestas: btw, your battery is broken :P
[11:51] <afiestas> apachelogger: that's why I have 2 of them, one for traveling and the broken one for daily use
[11:52] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:53] <apachelogger> if you had two working ones you could travel while daily using it :P
[11:53] <apachelogger> which reminds me that the one of me netbook is also rather kaput
[11:56] <apol> isn't there qt-recordMyDesktop for kubuntu? :P
[11:56]  * apol always uses it in arch...
[11:56] <apol> had to use the gtk- version
[12:04] <apachelogger> apol: use ffmpeg :P
[12:05]  * apachelogger once looked at the qt-recordmydesktop code and deemed it not worth the effort to package
[12:05] <apachelogger> packaging the python was quite the hassle back then ^^
[12:06] <apol> 8-)
[12:07] <shadeslayer> \o
[12:08] <apachelogger> afiestas: what is funny about that akonadi bug is that it is the 300's incarnation of forgot-to-create-dir in Qt ^^
[12:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: So I managed to get Kubuntu on the Tablet, but plasma active just won't start
[12:10] <apachelogger> it is a case of plasma
[12:10] <shadeslayer> it crashes after showing the splash screen ( The spinny thing )
[12:10] <apachelogger> well
[12:10] <apachelogger> read the backtrace :P
[12:10] <shadeslayer> Does active do software rendering
[12:10] <shadeslayer> Don't have one
[12:10] <shadeslayer> just startactive logs
[12:11] <apachelogger> so make one?
[12:11] <apachelogger> and try --help
[12:11] <shadeslayer> primarily, the problem seems to be that plasma active doesn't do software rendering
[12:11] <apachelogger> I do remember there being an option for GL, however that was not default
[12:11] <apachelogger> or maybe that was mobile
[12:11] <apachelogger> anyhow
[12:11] <apachelogger> -> office
[12:11] <shadeslayer> sec
[12:11] <apol> if it's crashing, then it works fine :D
[12:13] <afiestas> btw, is anyone trying to package ktp 0.4 ?
[12:19] <shadeslayer> afiestas: I'll look into it
[12:19] <shadeslayer> afiestas: release is like a month away though
[12:19] <shadeslayer> feature freeze is this weekend
[12:19]  * shadeslayer needs to fix the chat plasmoid this weekend to get it into the release
[12:32] <afiestas> shadeslayer: would be awesome to have it for doing testing
[12:32] <afiestas> in my dev environment I'm always with the doubt if stuff is nto working beacuse of my setup
[12:49] <shadeslayer> afiestas: I'll probably package it after 10th
[12:49] <shadeslayer> did I mention PA is broken on x86 as well
[12:49] <shadeslayer> so clearly something is wrong with the packages
[12:50] <shadeslayer> or maybe I haven't installed something ( Kind of difficult see'ing how I have full KDE install and everything that Plasma Active pulls in )
[12:56] <shadeslayer> !find org.kde.klauncher
[12:56] <shadeslayer> !find org.kde.klauncher precise
[12:56] <shadeslayer> ...
[13:08] <Peace-> mmm after the last upgrade i have an issue with file associtaitons
[13:09] <apachelogger> afiestas: we'd put 0.4 into a PPA mosdef
[13:09] <Peace-> open with has an empty list
[13:10] <Peace-> i have solved with one trick   btw
[13:12] <Peace->  cp /etc/xdg/menus/kde4-applications.menu ~/.config/menus/applications.menu
[13:12] <Peace-> the error was 
[13:12] <Peace-> kbuildsycoca4(8327): "applications.menu"  not found in  ("/home/peace/.config/menus/", "/etc/xdg/menus/") 
[13:13] <apol> do you guys have the qt desktop components packaged somewhere?
[13:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/447938 le active log that I get on x86
[13:14] <Riddell> apol: QML widget?  no I'm pretty sure we don't package that, it has never been released
[13:15] <apol> yep
[13:15] <apol> ok
[13:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wher eis the bt?
[13:16] <shadeslayer> don't have one .. that's all I have
[13:16] <shadeslayer> I'll look into a bt in a minute
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well what good is that if you have a crash? :P
[13:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I don't have a crash
[13:17] <shadeslayer> or atleast I think I don't have a crash
[13:18] <apachelogger> well, what do you get?
[13:18] <apachelogger> a black screen?
[13:18] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:18] <apachelogger> add krunner and/or konsole to autostart then
[13:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: eh? this is what I do : Start normal KDE -> kquitapp plasma-desktop -> startactive from a terminal
[13:19] <apachelogger> wtf?
[13:20] <shadeslayer> not that it runs from a tty either
[13:20] <apachelogger> startactive is like startkde it seems from that output
[13:20] <apachelogger> so you'll need to log into an active session
[13:20] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:20] <shadeslayer> lemme do that
[13:20] <apachelogger> where the session is started by startactive rathe rhtan startkde
[13:21] <apachelogger> !find startactive
[13:22] <apachelogger> !find startactive precise
[13:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: maybe it is isn't like startkde after all
[13:23] <apachelogger> I totally don't get this thing
[13:23] <apachelogger> best talk to rbelem
[13:25] <tsdgeos> Riddell: in case you didn't see 4.8.1 was released
[13:28] <BluesKaj> what's google.com got to do with the 12.04 repos ..i see the update is stalled there waiting for headers ...updating chromium?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> guess not , it finished , finally 
[13:32] <Riddell> tsdgeos: context needed, version number clash!  qt or kde sc ?
[13:33] <tsdgeos> Riddell: qt
[13:33] <Riddell> tsdgeos: lovely
[13:33] <Riddell> tsdgeos: where would I see that other than hoping to find out on IRC?
[13:33] <tsdgeos> Riddell: twitter told me :D
[13:33] <tsdgeos> http://blog.qt.nokia.com/ would tell you too
[13:34] <Riddell> hmm, neither are ideal forms for me
[13:34] <Riddell> tsdgeos: who's the qt release manager do you know?  anyone who can be convinced to post to kde-packagers?
[13:34] <Riddell> fregl? ^^
[13:34]  * tsdgeos knows nothing
[13:36] <fregl> Riddell: ah, it's been released? nice... I've been swamped in other stuff, didn't even notice.
[13:39] <Riddell> fregl: i think you have just proven my point :)
[13:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: upstream says it's indexing my entire home folder
[13:42] <shadeslayer> so I've set nepomuk to index just a empty folder
[13:42] <shadeslayer> retrying now ... and seems that the indexer blocks the GUI thread somehow
[13:42] <apachelogger> <-- lols
[13:45] <fregl> Riddell: lol
[13:47] <fregl> Riddell: qt blog is very official, but it should have been on development@qt-project.org as well...
[13:48] <fregl> ah, it's not even labs :s
[13:48] <Riddell> fregl: but it's not very useful for me, I don't subscribe to blogs and I don't want to subscribe to a busy mailing list
[13:48] <Riddell> I need a low traffic announce mailing list
[13:48] <Riddell> and I'm sure there will be other people in my position
[13:48] <fregl> Riddell: I thought we had an announce list...
[13:49] <fregl> Riddell: http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/announce
[13:49] <fregl> and it wasn't on there. ok, I'll try to look into it
[13:50] <Riddell> the collective memory about this list must be lost :)
[13:50] <fregl> it's new since it moved to new infrastructure...
[13:50] <fregl> *sigh*
[13:50] <Riddell> mm, so the announce list needs an announcement
[13:50] <fregl> yeah
[13:51] <Riddell> ok I'll announce it to kde-packagers if you announce it to the qt release managers, deal?
[13:51] <fregl> I'm already writing a mail...
[13:52] <Riddell> lovely
[13:52] <fregl> Riddell: thanks for pointing it out :) I guess qt-project needs to learn to walk on its own ;)
[15:09] <Riddell> yofel, apachelogger: could kubotu get a command where we go "new relase of qt 4.8.1" and it file a needs-packaging bug for that?
[15:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, though that requires emailing
[15:12]  * apachelogger never ever emailed in rubyrubyruby
[15:12] <yofel> can you run a python script from ruby? Then one could probably do that with launchpadlib
[15:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: or API usage
[15:14] <yofel> Riddell: although, then we could just stuff the script in kubuntu-dev-tools
[15:15] <apachelogger> yofel: why api when we only need to send a mail?
[15:15] <yofel> don't you still need to sign the mail?
[15:15] <apachelogger> dunno
[15:16] <yofel> iirc any mail API usage requires gpg signed mails
[15:16] <apachelogger> at any rate, what might be worthwhile would also be mailing to kubuntu-devel
[15:16] <apachelogger> so that people actually take note of it
[15:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: "just" send a mail is harder than running a script
[15:17] <apachelogger> yofel: gpg signing is still no problme though ^^
[15:17] <Riddell> for example I have no idea how to send a mail to launchpad
[15:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: no, I mean have kubotu send the mail
[15:17] <Riddell> kubotu: do you know how to send a mail to launchpad?
[15:18] <kubotu> not yet
[15:18] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  and if we did know , would anyone see it and take action ? :)
[15:18] <yofel> Riddell: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[15:18]  * apachelogger once did a mass bug filing using email
[15:18] <apachelogger> went very smooth
[15:18] <Riddell> BluesKaj: yes I often find myself asking "what needs packaged" and others ask too
[15:18] <Riddell> yofel: I don't care :)
[15:19] <Riddell> e-mail is not a good interace for applications
[15:19] <Riddell> it's why I dislike bugs.debian.org
[15:19] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[15:19] <yofel> well, debian BTS is weird indeed, still nice to have though
[15:19] <apachelogger> who gives a crap what runs underneith a kubotu command? :P
[15:20] <Riddell> so long as you maintain it, nobody :)
[15:20] <Riddell> but having a simple script to do it would be an added advantage
[15:20] <yofel> apachelogger: what I was thinking about 2 days ago, was tracking packaging todo with tagged bugs as the motu's do. I.e. needs-packaging and upgrade-software-version
[15:21] <apachelogger> upgrade-software-version?
[15:22] <apachelogger> launchpad can track needs-packaging easily :P
[15:22] <yofel> that's for new versions of existing software, needs-packaging is only for unpackaged things
[15:22] <apachelogger> get * where tag needs-packaging AND kubuntu
[15:22] <apachelogger> yofel: why not use the same tag? :P
[15:23] <yofel> apachelogger: ask the ubuntu folks? I didn't think of that
[15:23] <apachelogger> well
[15:23] <yofel> or we could just invent k-package or something like that
[15:23] <apachelogger> it doesn't mean we need to use their scheme :P
[15:24] <yofel> well, it was a suggestion. If it's too much of a hassle don't do it
[15:24] <apachelogger> well, it still can be done in launchpad
[15:25] <yofel> if we're doing it scripted it's no problem, but kubuntu + needs-packaging and kubuntu + upgrade-software-version would need 2 links for the UI listing
[15:25] <apachelogger> one ag
[15:25] <apachelogger> tag
[15:25] <Riddell> yofel: can't you search for multiple tags?
[15:25] <apachelogger> screw that upgrade-software-version
[15:25] <apachelogger> no one is going to write that ^^
[15:25] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.
[15:25] <apachelogger> structural_subscriber=&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.tag=needs-packaging+kubuntu&field.tags_combinator=ALL&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_no_package.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.
[15:25] <apachelogger> has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search
[15:25] <apachelogger> <3 lunchpad urls
[15:25] <Riddell> yofel: oh I see that's an AND with OR query
[15:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: not in an either or manner
[15:26] <yofel> right
[15:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: goo.gl!
[15:26] <apachelogger> well
[15:26] <apachelogger> not my fault that they need to put default values into the url
[15:26] <apachelogger> :P
[15:26] <apachelogger> also quassel could do that for me ^^
[15:26]  * yofel wonders if there's a bug about *that*
[15:26] <yofel> launchpad I mean
[15:26] <Riddell> that was one of sabdfl's complaints about bugzilla back in the day
[15:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: the long urls?
[15:27] <Riddell> yes
[15:27] <yofel> If you want me to write a bug filing script I can do that, but not before Friday
[15:28] <Riddell> yofel: I'd like that
[15:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: good thing he fixed that with lunchpad ;)
[15:29]  * yofel adds to his other bazillion things on the todo list
[15:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: does ur stuff start yet
[16:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: is bug 966450 a theme issue?
[16:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: could be
[16:01] <apachelogger> that is if the theme does not implment the functions called by plymouth for password prompts it will obviously not display anything
[16:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: mm will your shiny new theme implement them?
[16:05] <apachelogger> it has almost exactly the same code as before
[16:05] <apachelogger> except now it has a sprite with an image 
[16:05] <apachelogger> in addition to everything else
[16:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well ... kinda
[16:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I can run plasma-device and get it to start
[16:34] <shadeslayer> on x86
[16:34] <shadeslayer> upgrading tablet to precise and will test there tonight
[16:34] <shadeslayer> startactive is completely foobared though
[16:34] <shadeslayer> needs investigation, upstream says it won't launch plasma-device until it finds all the components
[16:34] <apol> I'm getting this error message... can somebody tell me what it means please?
[16:34] <apol> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/98690210/upload_3590870_log.txt
[16:35] <shadeslayer> and for some reason, kubuntu-active doesn't pull in anything
[16:35] <shadeslayer> cyber stuff? :P
[16:36] <shadeslayer> ahh
[16:36] <shadeslayer> apol: where are you uploading it to?
[16:36] <apol> shadeslayer: yes, it's what we're using for netrunner stuff...
[16:36] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~cyberspace/+archive/cyber-stuff ?
[16:37] <apol> shadeslayer: I'm not uploading... it's LP who is building it :/
[16:37] <shadeslayer> ok, give me a minute
[16:37]  * shadeslayer investigates
[16:37] <shadeslayer> aha
[16:37] <shadeslayer> apol: did you upload 2 tarballs?
[16:37] <shadeslayer> but with different contents
[16:37] <georgelappies> what is the best workaround for the bold ubuntu font issue in 12.04 for now?
[16:39] <apol> shadeslayer: well, it should be getting the tarballs from git master
[16:39] <shadeslayer> apol: you need to bump versions between uploads, use muon_1.4.0+repack~aa1-3~1322~precise1 as the new version
[16:39] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:39] <shadeslayer> is this a recipe?
[16:39] <apol> I don't really understand the recipe though :D
[16:39] <apol> shadeslayer: yes
[16:39] <shadeslayer> looking
[16:39] <apol> thanks a lot :)
[16:40] <shadeslayer> np
[16:40] <yofel> apol: can you link to the actual build? and not just the log?
[16:40] <apol> yofel, shadeslayer: https://code.launchpad.net/~cyberspace/+recipe/cyberspace-muon-daily
[16:40] <shadeslayer>  deb-version {debupstream}-3~{revno}
[16:40] <shadeslayer> that's bound to cause issues because of revno
[16:41] <shadeslayer> stupid bzr-git plugin
[16:41] <apol> hm
[16:41] <apol> shadeslayer: so I should update the recipe?
[16:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^ didn't we see those in neon as well?
[16:41] <shadeslayer> no no
[16:41] <yofel> acutally
[16:42] <shadeslayer> apol: my question is now this, I see rev 1322 is already uploaded
[16:42] <yofel> what happens here is that he's triggering multiple builds for the same version
[16:42] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:42] <yofel> that doesn't work
[16:42] <shadeslayer> I was coming to that
[16:42] <apol> well no
[16:42] <shadeslayer> but in general, didn't we decide we should not just rely on revno?
[16:42] <yofel> apol: why did you do that?
[16:42] <apol> I pushed some changes
[16:42] <apol> then I requested a new build
[16:42] <yofel> where?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> because revno's are unreliable
[16:42] <apol> git.kde.org
[16:42] <shadeslayer> yeah i can see those
[16:42] <shadeslayer> apol: and it built the package
[16:42] <yofel> then you forgot to tell the importer to run
[16:43] <yofel> it only runs every ~few hours
[16:43] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:43] <shadeslayer> https://code.launchpad.net/~hrvojes/muon/trunk
[16:43] <shadeslayer> I see a bunch of his commits
[16:44] <yofel> yeah, but he triggered the build in the last half hour
[16:44] <yofel> last import was over 4h ago
[16:44] <shadeslayer> apol: did you push changes in the last 45 minutes or so?
[16:44] <yofel> he did
[16:44]  * yofel looked at git
[16:44] <shadeslayer> if you did and you want those, you'll need to run the importer as apol said
[16:44] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:45] <shadeslayer> s/apol/yofel
[16:45] <yofel> heh
[16:45] <yofel> apol: see on https://code.launchpad.net/~hrvojes/muon/trunk the 'import now' button? click that if you need to
[16:45] <apol> ugh
[16:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: also, revno, isn't that bound to fsck stuff up at times?
[16:46] <shadeslayer> like when you merge stuff in git
[16:46] <yofel> launchpad has limited resources. You can't expect it to import every 10 minutes
[16:46] <yofel> shadeslayer: that too
[16:46] <shadeslayer> afaik bzr git doesn't handle merges and rewrites bzr history or sth
[16:46] <apol> so what's the point of not importing automatically before running?
[16:46] <shadeslayer> so your revno gets screwed up
[16:47] <yofel> apol: file a bug against launchpad 
[16:47]  * yofel wouldn't mind that feature either
[16:47] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:47] <apol> xD
[16:47] <apol> isn't it possible to do that in the recipe?
[16:48] <yofel> so far no
[16:49] <apol> ok
[16:49] <apol> thanks a lot yofel and shadeslayer :)
[16:49] <yofel> we have plenty of recipe debugging experience -.-
[16:49]  * shadeslayer points at the revno issue
[16:49] <shadeslayer> heh :)
[16:49] <shadeslayer> I'd say that bzr git is working partly because of Project Neon :P
[16:51] <yofel> +1 :D
[16:52] <shadeslayer> apol: yofel can you try and clone this : http://www.paulburton.eu/git/?p=tf101/kernel.git;a=summary
[16:53] <shadeslayer> doesn't even clone for some reason here
[16:54] <apol> shadeslayer: it's like the server is not answering...
[16:54] <apol> do you have a tf? :P
[16:54] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:54] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:54] <shadeslayer> tf + ubuntu precise ( it's upgrading atm )
[16:54] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:54] <apol> shadeslayer: does KDE work well there?
[16:54] <shadeslayer> apol: uhh ... I couldn't get plasma active up on the last try, upgrading again
[16:54] <shadeslayer> everything is slow
[16:55] <apol> shadeslayer: what about normal KDE?
[16:55] <shadeslayer> there are graphics drivers for the tegra2 processor but no kernel
[16:55] <shadeslayer> apol: yeah that starts up
[16:55] <shadeslayer> software rendering
[16:55] <shadeslayer> but the problem with that are the touch inputs
[16:57] <apol> yes indeed
[16:57] <yofel> hm
[16:57] <apol> although... well
[16:57]  * yofel wonders if we want muon builds in neon
[16:57] <apol> there's not that much you can do with active ATM
[16:57] <shadeslayer> apol: really?
[16:57] <shadeslayer> I'm going to install it in a bit
[16:57] <apol> shadeslayer: then you tell me in a while ;)
[16:58] <shadeslayer> also kubuntu-active looks broken, doesn't pull in anything :)
[16:58] <yofel> apol: aseigo wants to sell it, so it has to be a bit usable
[16:58] <apol> i've just tried it on my exopc
[16:58] <shadeslayer> apol: one thing I discovered though, active wants nepomuk and nepomuk want's to index ALL the things
[16:58] <apol> :D
[16:58] <shadeslayer> so even on my i7 it hung up
[16:58] <apol> nepomuk is not bad per se
[16:58] <apol> specially if there's no KMail around
[16:58] <shadeslayer> it's went beserk indexing my entire home dir
[16:59] <shadeslayer> blocked the UI and stuff
[17:00] <shadeslayer> apol: I'm reasonably sure that I can't do anything productive on this device until someone ports over the 3.1 kernel
[17:00] <yofel> it usually consumes all disk I/O for a while after login. After it's done with that it's usable
[17:01] <shadeslayer> and that is why the git clone link above :)
[17:01] <shadeslayer> unity was barely usable
[17:02] <jussi> shadeslayer: unity and nepomuk... huh?
[17:02] <shadeslayer> jussi: the image i installed came with unity
[17:02] <jussi> oh
[17:02] <jussi> I actually like unity
[17:02] <shadeslayer> jussi: it's actually pretty good on touch screen devices
[17:02] <jussi> polished and works well
[17:03] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah, I imagine it does
[17:03] <shadeslayer> altho, I just don't think I'll be able to use it everyday
[17:03]  * shadeslayer loves krunner too damn much
[17:03] <jussi> shadeslayer: Im giving a 30 day trial on my work lappy
[17:03] <shadeslayer> jussi: how's your daughter? :D
[17:03] <jussi> shadeslayer: Elodi is doing great :)
[17:03] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why don't you simply build a kernel for the t2?
[17:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because you can't simply build the 3.1 kernel for the tf2
[17:05] <apachelogger> why not?
[17:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because the chip isn't exactly the same as say the AC100
[17:06] <shadeslayer> or the Ventana board
[17:06] <shadeslayer> there are subtle differences
[17:06] <apachelogger> that doesn't say thing
[17:06] <apachelogger> *anything
[17:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is the problem
[17:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: It needs porting, I can't just build the generic configuration from pure linux sources
[17:06] <shadeslayer> it won't work
[17:07]  * Sput really wishes kubuntu would upgrade to flashplayer 11.2 soon, as 11.1 constantly crashes rekonq and konqueror
[17:07] <apachelogger> they do release it with android, no?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 2.36.x releases
[17:07] <shadeslayer> not 3.1 kernels
[17:07] <shadeslayer> whereas the drivers work only with the 3.1 kernels
[17:07] <apachelogger> so simply rebase the changes?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but the problem is that the ASUS released kernels don't even build!
[17:08] <apachelogger> why not?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> FTBFS 
[17:08] <apachelogger> due
[17:08] <shadeslayer> lemme show you sec
[17:08] <apachelogger> dude
[17:08] <shadeslayer> hmm?
[17:08] <apachelogger> your answers...
[17:08] <shadeslayer> kernel/power/suspend.c:30:52: fatal error: arch/arm/mach-tegra/include/mach/iomap.h: No such file or directory
[17:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^ stuff like that, I only started building the sources on tuesday, need more time to fix them
[17:09] <shadeslayer> I'm working on it though
[17:09] <debfx> Sput: flash 11.2 is already in the repository
[17:09] <apachelogger> http://lwn.net/Articles/383942/
[17:09] <Sput> debfx: could you point me to it please? my googlefu failed
[17:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you shoudl rebase onto 3.1
[17:09]  * Sput can't stand chrome anymore and wants to go back to rekonq
[17:10] <shadeslayer> uh ok
[17:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: will look into that
[17:10] <apachelogger> google pushed a shitload of tegra code 
[17:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I have never ever built a kernel before
[17:10] <shadeslayer> so I'm learning slowly
[17:10] <apachelogger> very easy once you got the grasp of it
[17:10] <debfx> Sput: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/oneiric-changes/2012-March/012004.html
[17:10]  * shadeslayer plans to demo this next month at his Uni
[17:10] <apachelogger> that is, you really just need to grab the config from asus and their changes
[17:10] <apachelogger> then try to build with their config
[17:11] <apachelogger> most of the time that will simply work
[17:11] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:11] <shadeslayer> looking into that
[17:11] <shadeslayer> altho, looking into the kernel source code was quite fun
[17:12] <shadeslayer> it looked alot like something I did when programming a microcontroller
[17:13] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:14] <apachelogger> around here we prog microcontrollers in verilog, not C :P
[17:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: after getting the kernel built it's simply a matter of packing up the initrd and zimage into a bootimg and the bootimg into a kernel blob that I can flash into a partition
[17:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, I've dabbled in that as well :P
[17:15] <shadeslayer> VHDL as well
[17:15] <shadeslayer> VHDL was a PITA really
[17:15] <Sput> debfx: ah cool... does this mean it should already be in the repos, or should I download the packages from lp myself?
[17:15] <Sput> apt-get update didn't find it at least
[17:16] <apachelogger> Mamarok: do we have an ETA on dinner?
[17:16] <apachelogger> oh, actually I should be buying coke, zomg
[17:16] <yofel> Sput: adobe-flashplugin is in partner
[17:16] <debfx> Sput: do you have flashplugin-installer or adobe-flashplugin installed?
[17:16] <yofel> !partner > Sput
[17:17] <Sput> thx :)
[17:17]  * Sput is still new to this packaging stuff
[17:17] <shadeslayer> oh sweet, they have a separate repo for tegra devices
[17:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/tegra.git
[17:17] <debfx> yeah you should use the package from the partner repository and remove flashplugin-installer
[17:17] <shadeslayer> zomg
[17:18] <Sput> ah ok, I had the latter, will install now the former
[17:18] <Sput> and let's hope that the crashes go away and I can use rekonq again
[17:18] <Sput> thx :)
[17:18] <snele> JontheEchidna: sometimes muon update manager crashes when both, package menager and updater are running. Backtrace: http://paste.kde.org/448130/ 
[17:25] <yofel> shadeslayer: hm, git is still trying to clone that kernel repos
[17:26] <apachelogger> kernel repos are biiiit
[17:26] <apachelogger> biiig even
[17:26] <apachelogger> or bigggg
[17:26] <apachelogger> dunno
[17:26] <yofel> last time I cloned linux-stable from kernel.org it was much faster than this
[17:26] <yofel> this was before kernel.org went down though
[17:28] <yofel> weird bug of the week - bug 965622
[17:32] <apachelogger> why weird?
[17:35] <yofel> shadeslayer: the repos cloned successfully, you just don't see any output from git while it clones... for whatever reason
[17:35] <yofel> apachelogger: where would you start debugging that?
[17:35] <shadeslayer> got it
[17:36] <yofel> wtf
[17:36] <yofel> $ du -sh kernel/
[17:36] <yofel> 1.1G    kernel/
[17:36] <apachelogger> yofel: in xsession-errors :P
[17:36] <yofel> no wonder it took ages
[17:36] <apachelogger> 2 possible causes come to mind: 1) mem leak 2) video graphics driver crash
[17:37] <apachelogger> considering the reporter mentioned virtuoso going wild 1) seems more likely
[17:37] <apachelogger> so the OOMKiller comes around and shoot everything dead
[17:37] <yofel> true
[17:37] <yofel> thanks
[17:37] <shadeslayer> 'The Terminator' fits much better :P
[17:39] <shadeslayer> uh
[17:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I think the patches you showed me might be just for dev boards
[17:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I did not show you any patches
[17:40] <shadeslayer> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/77576
[17:41] <shadeslayer> isn't that what you pointed me to?\
[17:42] <apachelogger> you should read what I write :P
[17:42] <apachelogger> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=tree;f=arch/arm/mach-tegra;h=ed91eafe33361ce842f7654dad082c3fc218888e;hb=6658a6991cef75719a21441aa0b7f8d6821534ee
[17:45]  * shadeslayer looks
[17:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok I don't follow at all
[17:48] <shadeslayer> you're saying I should clone the 3.1 branch and rebase ASUS's changes ?
[17:53] <georgelappies> for now I installed the droid font package, but would really like to use the ubuntu fonts. I tried installing the font package for 11.10 but it did not help
[18:31] <snele> in precise beta2 calendar on digital clock looks like this: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/1O/3O/2iicdDW4/snapshot1.png
[18:32] <snele> but I think it should look like this: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2w/VR/3iU4H7ia/snapshot2.png
[18:32] <snele> region USA should be set to "not used" instead "days off"
[18:35] <snele> popup calendar on first screenshot looks wierd to me :) can this be changed in kubuntu default settings? 
[18:36] <snele> it is small thing but it means polish :)
[19:02] <yofel> snele: it's set to not used for everything except the region you live in, there it's days off by default
[19:03] <yofel> looks normal to me
[19:05] <snele> yofel: well i live in serbia, and i have chosen serbia time/region while installing, but usa is chosen with "days off"
[19:05] <snele> i will give it another look tomorow
[19:05] <snele> i got to go now
[19:05] <snele> have a nice evening
[19:05] <yofel> hm, I guess it falls back to US
[19:05] <yofel> if there is no local calendar
[19:05] <yofel> *that* sounds like a bug
[19:15] <shadeslayer> whee plasma active kinda running on my device
[19:15] <shadeslayer> well shit
[19:15] <shadeslayer> it's fast
[19:16] <shadeslayer> even with software rendering
[21:06] <afiestas> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296949
[21:06] <afiestas> good thing to backport in case we can't put 4.8.2 in 12.04