[15:04]  * slangasek waves
[15:04] <jodh> o/
[15:05] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Mar 28 15:05:09 2012 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:05] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:05] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson)
[15:05] <slangasek> barry stgraber ev cjwatson slangasek infinity bdmurray doko ogra jodh
[15:05] <barry> bug 959724; bug 941790; bug 960595 (reviewed and tested); bug 966257; bug 966521; (other flufl.* package updates in debian); dmb meeting; upgrade issues (problems w/unity, unity2d/3d testing, desktop failures); boring stuff: expense reports, perf reviews, pycon catchup. ∅
[15:06] <stgraber> Bugs, bugs, bugs...
[15:06] <stgraber> - ISO tracker
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Discussed the hardware profile API with cr3, now waiting for implementation
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Wrote a new script to push new netboot images to the tracker everytime we have a d-i build
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Created localized ISO tracker at http://localized-iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Rewrote LP integration script to use storm and the API, much cleaner and much faster
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Major bug cleanup, went from 85 down to just 14, now working on fixing the remaining ones
[15:06] <stgraber> - Installer
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Quite a lot of ubiquity bug fixes
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Uploaded new ubiquity slideshow and did some cleanup of the bugs
[15:06] <stgraber> - Containers
[15:06] <stgraber>  - (RELEASE) LXC now works properly with apparmor blocking most of the known security issues.
[15:07] <stgraber>  - (RELEASE) Released arkose 1.5.1 (bugfix and translations update)
[15:07] <stgraber> - TPM
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Did some more bugfixing of opencryptoki's packaging
[15:07] <stgraber> - Other
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Improved queuebot to work with all releases, the NEW queue and with the ISO tracker
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Released and uploaded a new LTSP bugfix release, 5.3.6
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Made pastebinit use the langpacks for translations
[15:07] <stgraber> - TODO this week
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Continue working on bugs
[15:07] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:08] <slangasek> ev's off today; cjwatson:
[15:09] <cjwatson> Extensive Ubiquity test suite fixes.
[15:09] <cjwatson> OpenSSL 1.0.1.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Half-day patch piloting.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Updated my Lucid OpenSSH backport PPA.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Beta 2 preparation.  Various small fixes all over the place.  Lots of archive administration.
[15:09] <cjwatson> More secure boot discussions.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Fixed auto-upgrade-tester's detection of obsolete conffiles.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Landed a few miscellaneous Launchpad branches, including a slight NewReleaseCycleProcess simplification that removes another need for archive admin lp_publish access.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Worked on Launchpad branch to open up -proposed for use during development.  Nearly finished.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Performance self-review.
[15:09] <cjwatson> ..
[15:11] <slangasek> partner archive work
[15:11] <infinity> Sorry I'm late.
[15:11] <slangasek> performance self-review
[15:11] <slangasek> picking off obsolete conffiles from the jenkins upgrade reports
[15:11] <doko> ahh, the self-review ...
[15:12] <slangasek> misc beta-2 helping
[15:12] <slangasek> ..
[15:12] <slangasek> infinity: hey there - you're next
[15:12] <infinity> Oh.  I'm not awake enough to be next.
[15:12] <slangasek> bdrung:
[15:12] <slangasek> sorry
[15:13] <slangasek> bdmurray:
[15:13] <bdmurray> bug triage of foundation's hottest bugs
[15:13] <bdmurray> bug triage of iso-testing bug reports
[15:13] <bdmurray> fixed ubiquity bug 960278
[15:13] <bdmurray> wrote a bug pattern for bug 929219
[15:13] <bdmurray> cleaning up duplicates of bug 891711 and bug 944191
[15:13] <bdmurray> modifications to cbd to remove tasks no longer matching criteria
[15:13] <bdmurray> blog post regarding hottest bugs charts
[15:13] <bdmurray> testing apport kerneloops no package hook run issue
[15:13] <bdmurray> done
[15:14] <doko> - vacation last week
[15:14] <doko> - catch up with email
[15:14] <doko> - started test rebuild
[15:14] <doko> - prepared packages for gcc-4.7 test rebuild
[15:14] <doko> - gccgo-4.7.0
[15:14] <doko> - Linaro call
[15:14] <ogra_> done ?
[15:15]  * ogra_ assumes so 
[15:15] <ogra_> done:
[15:15] <ogra_>  * bugwork on 960710 (jasper doesnt enable deb-src on preinstalled images)
[15:15] <ogra_>  * lots of (time consuming) debugging work on bug 961133
[15:15] <ogra_>  * uploaded pvr sgx driver (sitting in NEW to go to multiverse, then we can add the compiz GLES patch and add jasper support for pvr)
[15:15] <ogra_>  * started reworking partman-uboot for vfat to fix bug 872525 (thabnks colin for pointing to it)
[15:15] <ogra_>  * stopwatched initrdless boot on panda to serial login prompt: with initrd 50sec, without initrd 25sec. so dropping the initrd from panda installs would win us 25sec
[15:15] <ogra_>    (note that u-boot initialization takes about 10sec)
[15:15] <ogra_>  * lots of arm community support
[15:15] <ogra_>  * self review done)
[15:15] <ogra_> beta2:
[15:16] <ogra_>  * tested ac100 images and fixed a minor issue
[15:16] <ogra_>  * tested omap4 images
[15:16] <ogra_>  * still testing omap3
[15:16] <ogra_> todo:
[15:16] <ogra_>  * merge compiz GLES patch once the driver is up
[15:16] <ogra_>  * look into jockey PVR driver integration
[15:16] <ogra_>  * look into fsck slowdown
[15:16] <ogra_>  * finish partman-uboot rewrite for omap3/4
[15:16] <ogra_>  * peer reviews
[15:16] <ogra_> the initrdless boot stuff was very intresting ... jodh i still see upstart complain about ptys btw ... but it finishes the boot
[15:16] <jodh> yes, it will complain, then fall back to "console none".
[15:17] <jodh> Maybe we'll bundle mountall into upstart for Q? :)
[15:17] <jodh> ogra_: done?
[15:17] <ogra_> dropping the initrd on arm got me at best 12sec boots (from loading kernel to login prompt) since i stopwatch its not very precise so i took the worst measuring ... but it looks like we can cut boottime in half on pandas with dropping initrd
[15:17] <ogra_> (sorry was typing)
[15:17] <ogra_> done ;)
[15:18] <jodh> * [misc]
[15:18] <jodh>   * Performance self+mgr review.
[15:18] <jodh>   * Put PPU application together.
[15:18] <jodh> * [boot/upstart]
[15:18] <jodh>   * [#] Upstart 1.5 release and associated Ubuntu merge.
[15:18] <jodh>   * Big update to upstart-events(7).
[15:18] <jodh>   * Upstart Cookbook updates.
[15:18] <jodh>   * Lots of IRC today discussion (resulting in another pending Cookbook update).
[15:18] <jodh> * [boot/plymouth]
[15:18] <jodh>   * Working on Plymouth SIGSEGV bugs (553745, 849414).
[15:18] <jodh> ⟰
[15:18] <jodh>  
[15:18] <jodh> ogra_: nice!
[15:18] <slangasek> ogra_: how does that compare with the boot time when using a "minimal" initrd, which I think was the other part of that comparison that the kernel team wanted?
[15:18] <ogra_> yes, its pretty impressive
[15:19] <slangasek> (i.e., an initramfs that doesn't start udev or contain modules, just immediately resolves the rootfs and pivots)
[15:19] <ogra_> right, havent tested that yet
[15:19] <slangasek> ok
[15:19] <ogra_> but given that the loading even of a very small file in u-boot doesnt happen under 5 sec ...
[15:20] <slangasek> ogra_: ah :)
[15:20] <cjwatson> what's it doing?!
[15:20] <infinity> Your uBoot seems a lot sadder than mine...
[15:20] <ogra_> i'll test with the minimal one for getting the numbers at least
[15:20] <cjwatson> Reparsing a filesystem every time or something?
[15:20] <cjwatson> (and badly, presumably)
[15:20] <ogra_> it loads the file from slow media (SD), then removes the header and suffles it around in ram
[15:20] <ogra_> *shuffles
[15:21] <slangasek> and using a terrible i/o implementation for the load, too
[15:21] <ogra_> i'm sure it can be made faster on the ram side
[15:21] <ogra_> but the SD is always in the way
[15:21] <cjwatson> slangasek: right, that wouldn't have accounted for 5s on small files on its own though
[15:21] <slangasek> yeah
[15:21] <slangasek> infinity: your turn again
[15:21] <infinity> - fix p11-kit bug 911436 in two ways
[15:21] <infinity> - performance reviews (manager + self)
[15:21] <infinity> - beta 2 release management involvement
[15:21] <infinity> - land lp-buildd performance improvements, and coordinate roll out
[15:21] <infinity> - work with IS on reallocation of beagles as livefs buildds
[15:21] <infinity> - look into bug 965840
[15:21] <infinity> - review PVR drivers and offer feedback for 959924
[15:21] <infinity> - start work on bug 759545
[15:22] <infinity> done
[15:22] <infinity> Hrm, forgot the bug keyword for bug 959924
[15:22] <slangasek> great
[15:22] <ogra_> any issues with the drivers ?
[15:23] <infinity> ogra_: The first time around, I bounced them back to ricardo and he completely repackaged them.
[15:23] <infinity> ogra_: I haven't had a chance to review the second roung. :)
[15:23] <ogra_> ah, k
[15:23] <infinity> round*
[15:23] <ogra_> :)
[15:24] <slangasek> any other questions on any of the above?
[15:25] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:25] <cjwatson> stgraber: I'd just like to say thanks again for the queuebot improvements - it's fantastic now
[15:25] <slangasek> bdmurray: what's hot in bugland?
[15:25] <infinity> cjwatson: You can blame me for nagging him every 3 minutes with weird suggestions. :P
[15:25] <stgraber> cjwatson: np :)
[15:26] <bdmurray> well, I happened to be looking at hot bugs recently and ran across bug 606491
[15:27] <bdmurray> which may be related to bug 226780
[15:28] <slangasek> 606491> interesting
[15:29] <slangasek> I wonder if that's really an anacron bug
[15:29] <slangasek> or if it should be handled as a bug in whatever job is hanging
[15:29] <slangasek> (i.e., apt)
[15:29] <infinity> If apt really is hanging.
[15:30] <infinity> And for what definition of "hang".
[15:31]  * slangasek adds this to the queue for further investigation
[15:31] <bdmurray> that's all I have so far - lots of iso-testing bugs to look at
[15:32] <jodh> Hmm... anacron seems to be everywhere - /etc/apm/event.d/anacron
[15:32] <cjwatson> Nothing looked too terrible when I looked earlier today, but no doubt there've been a slew since then
[15:33] <cjwatson> (of iso-testing)
[15:33] <slangasek> bug #966403 is the one on my radar from iso testing
[15:33] <slangasek> I'll see if I can't get to the bottom of that today
[15:34] <slangasek> UnreportableReason: This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party package and try again.
[15:34] <slangasek> huh, why's *that* in the bug report?
[15:36] <ogra_> theming issue eh ? *g*
[15:36] <slangasek> maybe
[15:37] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:37] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:38] <slangasek> thanks again everyone for the great work last week on the installer sprint - and for being flexible in your working hours
[15:39] <phillw> +1
[15:40] <barry> it was fun and productive!
[15:41] <ogra_> ++
[15:41] <stgraber> +1
[15:42] <ogra_> btw, if that didnt come across ... i didnt mind the virtual jetlag actually :)
[15:42] <slangasek> heh :)
[15:43] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:43] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Mar 28 15:43:20 2012 UTC.
[15:43] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-28-15.05.moin.txt
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[15:43] <slangasek> thanks!
[15:43] <barry> thanks!
[15:43] <ogra_> thanks !
[15:44] <jodh> thanks!
[16:02] <gema> do we have a QA meeting today?
[16:02] <gema> or is everybody so busy testing that there is no meeting?
[16:02] <gema> balloons: ?
[16:03] <phillw> gema: we should have at 17:00 UTC (1 hour)
[16:03] <gema> phillw: 5UTC is right now
[16:04] <phillw> gema: Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Wednesday, 28 March 2012, 16:03:56
[16:04] <gema> or maybe I am wrong, hold on xD
[16:04] <gema> phillw: ack, got the wrong time
[16:04] <gema> phillw: thanks :D
[16:04] <phillw> even I've got http://www.timeanddate.com running to check :)
[16:05] <gema> awesome website, phillw , much better than asking google every time, thanks :D
[17:02] <mfisch> Bug control meeting?
[17:03] <gema> mfisch: I think you are an hour early, the QA meeting is about to start, I hope
[17:03] <mfisch> stupid daylight savings time
[17:03] <mfisch> gema: thanks
[17:03] <phillw> balloons: ping
[17:04] <phillw> mfisch: http://www.timeanddate.com :) Handy link to book mark :)
[17:04] <mfisch> I'm going to put it in my calendar as GMT and let the calendar figure it out from now on
[17:05] <balloons> phillw, pong
[17:06] <phillw> balloons: ahh :) are we having a meeting?
[17:06] <balloons> did everyone get confused on the time?
[17:06]  * balloons was just reading above
[17:06] <balloons> hopefully not..
[17:07] <balloons> anyways, yes let's begin
[17:07] <phillw> balloons: only one person admitted to it. mf is an hour early for bugs
[17:07] <balloons> #startmeeting ubuntu qa community
[17:07] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Mar 28 17:07:32 2012 UTC.  The chair is balloons. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:07] <balloons> so who is here?
[17:07] <balloons> :-)
[17:08] <phillw> o/
[17:09] <phillw> hmm, gema was here 5 mins ago?
[17:09] <balloons> lol
[17:09] <balloons> yes..
[17:09] <gema> I will be on and off, sorry guys, I am cooking :)
[17:09] <balloons> I had hoped to get jibel and some others as well
[17:09] <balloons> yummy gem
[17:09] <gema> balloons: it is 7pm for jibel
[17:09] <balloons> ahh..
[17:09] <phillw> we'll be round in an hour :)
[17:10] <balloons> and for you
[17:10] <gema> 6pm
[17:10] <phillw> 6pm also
[17:10] <balloons> ok, so let's check the agenda
[17:10] <gema> hint: beta 2
[17:10] <balloons> ACTION: phillw to fix feb 29th log, merge them, and make the regex for meetings page display all the logs again (balloons, 16:07:36)
[17:10]  * phillw done :)
[17:10] <MrChrisDruif> 7pm here
[17:10] <balloons> [TOPIC] Previous Actions
[17:11] <balloons> awesome phillw I see it's been done
[17:11] <balloons> looks good
[17:11] <balloons> ACTION: balloons to send results of poll and provide the most suitable timeframes for one last round of polling. (balloons, 16:19:01)
[17:11] <phillw> it was the best I could without spending hours on the merge
[17:11] <balloons> This I also did.. Which I trust will help us by moving the time to something more convinent for everyone
[17:12] <phillw> balloons: what was the decision?
[17:12] <balloons> so, let's talk about the results
[17:12] <balloons> this was round 1.. if you'll remember: http://whenisgood.net/mzs4etp/results/x83kbr
[17:12] <balloons> for round 2, we picked 1 time slot perday and got people to vote
[17:13] <balloons> I was waiting hoping the time would be broken, but sadly we had 2 votes each option monday, tuesday, weds, thursday
[17:14] <balloons> no friday votes
[17:14] <balloons> This is the form https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFRBUjJ6ZVN0dk9YVDBvbmVhQ2VpQmc6MQ
[17:14] <balloons> So I'd like to make a decision now based upon that feedback, by also looking at the earlier survey to break the tie
[17:14] <balloons> make sense?
[17:15] <phillw> balloons: discard my vote... does that help enay?
[17:15] <phillw> *any*
[17:16] <balloons> heh
[17:16] <balloons> not really
[17:16] <balloons> I'm basically looking at doing it weds at 1400 I *think*
[17:17] <balloons> that gets us several people I know want to attend..
[17:17] <balloons> and is one of the best options from the survey
[17:17] <phillw> okies, weds 14:00 is fine by me :)
[17:18] <balloons> tues @ 1900 UTC is the other strong response
[17:18] <balloons> but our poor european friends.. it's already so late for them
[17:18] <phillw> hmm, yeah 8pm is well past food time!
[17:18] <balloons> so I guess 1400 it is
[17:19] <balloons> same day, earlier time
[17:19] <balloons> [ACTION] balloons to announce new time for QA meeting, 1400 UTC weds
[17:19] <meetingology> ACTION: balloons to announce new time for QA meeting, 1400 UTC weds
[17:19] <balloons> alrighty
[17:20] <balloons> so let's move on
[17:20] <balloons> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Updates
[17:20] <balloons> I think gema dropped.. but as everyone knows it's beta 2 season
[17:20] <balloons> the beta should drop final tomorrow sometime
[17:21] <balloons> not much else to say.. the u+1 team has been busy helping out with iso testing
[17:21] <balloons> the lubuntu folks worked well last week with the ubiquity sprint
[17:21] <balloons> lots of good focused work being done
[17:21] <balloons> bugs squashed ;-)
[17:23] <balloons> roginac, kaldor and myself converted the checkbox tests to the new qt format and those will be used for the app testing after beta2 is released
[17:23] <balloons> the new gui is much nicer than the old gtk gui
[17:24] <balloons> as an fyi, the repo has migrated as well to https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/checkbox/checkbox-app-testing-qt
[17:24] <balloons> questions?
[17:24] <balloons> ok.
[17:24] <balloons> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Flavor Updates
[17:25] <balloons> phillw, I think it's just you on this one
[17:25] <balloons> :-)
[17:25] <balloons> anything to share
[17:25] <phillw> It has gone fantastically well, until we started counting chickens before they hatched and got stung with bug 967257 about an hour ago. Work is on going as we speak. 27th March was okay, so there is a fall back if needed.
[17:25] <balloons> wow.. bizarre
[17:26] <phillw> a real pain.
[17:27] <balloons> I'll bet..
[17:27] <balloons> well.. I'd like to end this one early and plan for a big group next time :-)
[17:28] <phillw> fine :)
[17:28] <balloons> phillw, thanks for coming.. remember the new time
[17:28] <balloons> and we'll see more faces next week
[17:28] <balloons> #endmeeting
[17:28] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Mar 28 17:28:54 2012 UTC.
[17:28] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-28-17.07.moin.txt
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[17:29] <phillw> thasnks for chairing balloons
[17:40] <kangarooo> meetingology	Meeting started Wed Mar 28 15:05:09 2012 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[17:40] <meetingology> kangarooo: Error: "Meeting" is not a valid command.
[17:40] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[17:40] <slangasek> ?
[17:41] <kangarooo> bots link is giving . at end and in irc log it gives link with . and that link doesnt exist.
[17:41] <slangasek> ah
[17:41] <slangasek> not something I can fix :)
[17:42] <kangarooo> where to post bug?
[17:44] <kangarooo> about thhis bot and .
[17:46] <kangarooo> af found- ubuntu-bots
[18:01] <bdmurray> anybody here for the bug squad meeting?
[18:02] <kangarooo> heeyee
[18:03] <bdmurray> kangarooo: was that a yes?
[18:03] <kangarooo> no but if others will ill too
[18:03] <Unit193> There's the guy all my wiki edits go to. >_>
[18:04] <kangarooo> anyone else? sometimes meetings are empty or wait time needed?
[18:05] <kangarooo> if no qourum then no meeting?
[18:05] <mfisch> bug meeting?
[18:05] <kangarooo> mfisch: si
[18:05] <bdmurray> #startmeeting
[18:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Mar 28 18:05:34 2012 UTC.  The chair is bdmurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:05] <bdmurray> #topic Previous Actions
[18:06] <bdmurray> there were no actions from the last meeting
[18:06] <bdmurray> #topic Engineering Bug Status
[18:06] <bdmurray> I'm looking into an issue with apport and kerneloops reports missing log files from the linux package hook at the moment
[18:07] <kangarooo> oh thats great
[18:08] <kangarooo> i dont know whats kernelloops? i need to say something?
[18:08] <bdmurray> and I wrote a blog post about visualizing bug heat http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=114
[18:08] <mfisch> kernel oops
[18:08] <kangarooo> #idea that needs to be fixed
[18:09] <bdmurray> lots of ubiquity bugs to review with the iso-testing going on
[18:09] <bdmurray> that's about it here. Ursinha, jsalisbury?
[18:09] <kangarooo> yes i also posted 2
[18:10] <kangarooo> 2 bugs about ubiquity dying at end
[18:10] <mfisch> I think we need to be careful when responding to people who subscribe bugs to our list
[18:10] <mfisch> s/careful/more careful/
[18:11] <bdmurray> mfisch: could we talk about that in a couple of minutes?
[18:11] <mfisch> bdmurray: sure, sorry for hijacking ;)
[18:12] <bdmurray> #topic Bug Escalations (any High or Critical bugs that community members have seen that need attention)
[18:12] <kangarooo> bdmurray: yes #idea about bug heat sorting and graphical view is helpfull to distinguish priority bugs
[18:13] <bdmurray> kangarooo: are the bugs you ran into high or critical types of bugs?
[18:13] <kangarooo> im opening gmail to find most ignored for my laptops
[18:13] <kangarooo> 1min
[18:16] <kangarooo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/907544
[18:17] <kangarooo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/787257
[18:18] <kangarooo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/889586
[18:18] <kangarooo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/912046
[18:18] <kangarooo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/912046
[18:18] <kangarooo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/950919
[18:19] <kangarooo> thats main for now.
[18:20] <bdmurray> kangarooo: that's quiet a few to look at - I don't think all of them are high or critical but a couple do look important
[18:21] <bdmurray> kangarooo: can I follow up with you in #ubuntu-bugs after the meeting?
[18:21] <kangarooo> ok
[18:21] <bdmurray> #topic Other Topics
[18:21] <bdmurray> mfisch: were you talking about ubuntu-bugcontrol being subscribed to a bug report?
[18:22] <mfisch> bdmurray: yeah, I think we just need to be more careful in responses.  People who do stuff like that don't know our process, they're just trying to get help.
[18:22] <mfisch> bdmurray: I'm referring to the email I got this morning "please dont subscribe this list to every bug under the sun" (paraphrased)
[18:25] <mfisch> bdmurray: thats it from me
[18:26] <bdmurray> mfisch: I agree more tact could have been used.  Do you have any idea on how we could spread this idea?
[18:27] <mfisch> bdmurray: well we could have a canned response for this which may help, but if you take the attitude that people are not doing this out of spite, but out of ignorance, I think it helps
[18:27] <kangarooo> +1
[18:27] <mfisch> we all get annoyed when people keep doing things like this, gnome-nettools has maybe 30 dupes of the same bug?
[18:27] <mfisch> I just sigh and post the canned response and keep any irritation to myself
[18:28] <bdmurray> Ah, yes a standard reply makes sense.  Would you mind drafting one?
[18:28] <mfisch> bdmurray: I knew I should have kept quiet!   ;)    Sure, I'll put it on my to do list
[18:29] <kangarooo> +1 to todo list equals now 1020482 things to do :) we can post bug and anyone can edit it.
[18:30] <kangarooo> so anyone can edit canned response draft
[18:31] <kangarooo> so we dont force google docs for collaborating in making draft of canned response
[18:31] <bdmurray> kangarooo: the standard replies are in a wiki page already
[18:31] <mfisch> yes
[18:31] <kangarooo> ok ill look up
[18:31] <mfisch> I will work on it this week, just not today
[18:32] <bdmurray> #action mfisch to draft a reply for the situation where someone subsribes a team to a bug report
[18:32] <meetingology> ACTION: mfisch to draft a reply for the situation where someone subsribes a team to a bug report
[18:32] <bdmurray> okay anything else?
[18:33] <kangarooo> making logs like thees in video so ppl who dont use irc can get in bugging https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1201/FixingSmallBugs
[18:33] <kangarooo> VIdeo team?
[18:34] <bdmurray> kangarooo: that's not really something the bug squad can help with
[18:35] <kangarooo> ah ok for different meeting then. ill just start making this king of videos then team
[18:35] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[18:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Mar 28 18:35:32 2012 UTC.
[18:35] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-28-18.05.moin.txt
[18:35] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-28-18.05.html
[18:36] <kangarooo> WOW this bot rocks. finally great way to sum meeting. where to see other meetings ? is there auto generated index page of meeting names?
[18:57] <phillw> kangarooo: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/
[19:09] <kangarooo> thx phillw cool but there isnt todays meeting and isnt folder #ubuntu-meeting
[19:10] <kangarooo> cooler would be if automated index with names of meetings (it topic names) in index list
[19:10] <kangarooo> this is latest http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/meetingology/2012/meetingology.2012-03-20-08.07.moin.txt but today was also meetings and todays meeting isnt there
[19:11] <phillw> kangarooo: you would need to ask it's author about that. I think that like most bots they update hourly, but I do not know its inner workings.
[19:12] <kangarooo> it should be just php witch lists content of folders.. so no automation required woulde be then
[19:12] <kangarooo> s/automation/updating
[19:12] <kangarooo> couse then with php it would listing and showing all content
[19:13] <kangarooo> ok ill bug him
[19:21] <kangarooo> bdmurray: i added canned response in wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[19:52] <amjjawad> Yorvyk: Hi, I will give my notes after you :)
[19:53] <amjjawad> I'll be there but my eyes on the match
[19:54] <Yorvyk> amjjawad:  OK,  whos going to win
[19:56] <amjjawad> Yorvyk: it is 0-0 now :(
[20:00] <phillw> please note: tonight's lubuntu meeting is in #lubuntu-offtopic.
[20:00] <Yorvyk> Oops
[20:01] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; nope, we can do it here
[20:01] <MrChrisDruif> Edubuntu was previous hour
[20:01] <amjjawad> So where is the meeting???
[20:01] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: can everyone make their mind up?
[20:02] <gilir> let's make it here
[20:02] <phillw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
[20:02] <MrChrisDruif> I made a mistake with adding the meeting to the Fridge
[20:02] <phillw> okies.
[20:02] <MrChrisDruif> Forgot about daylight saving time
[20:03] <MrChrisDruif> gilir; #startmeeting ?
[20:03] <gilir> #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting
[20:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Mar 28 20:03:24 2012 UTC.  The chair is gilir. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[20:03] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[20:03] <phillw> kicks MrChrisDruif
[20:03] <gilir> o/
[20:03] <MGandTL> o/
[20:03] <gastly> o/
[20:03] <amjjawad> I will be the last to give my report :0
[20:03] <phillw> o/
[20:03] <amjjawad> :)
[20:03] <kanliot> o/
[20:03] <MrChrisDruif> \o
[20:04] <MrChrisDruif> Ouch phillw
[20:04] <gilir> Agenda is here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
[20:04] <Yorvyk> o/
[20:04] <MrChrisDruif> I don't have an issue with moving amjjawad's topic up
[20:04] <gilir> a lot of people today :)
[20:05] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, let's keep the Agenda like this
[20:05] <gilir> #topic gilir - Review ACTIONS from the last meeting
[20:05] <gilir> amjjawad, I have FB open, be prepare :p
[20:06] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, any luck in Lightdm documentation ?
[20:06] <amjjawad> gilir: My right eye is here and my left on the match :D
[20:07] <MrChrisDruif> I've send an email to one of the most prominent developers of lightdm, unfortunately I haven't gotten any responses
[20:07] <MrChrisDruif> So it seems I've got to trace all the functions back myself
[20:08] <MrChrisDruif> Nothing else on that subject
[20:08] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, "man lightdm" shoudl be a good start
[20:08] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: I'll ask if I can get someone to 'poke' them :)
[20:08] <MrChrisDruif> gilir; did you look at man lightdm? I did
[20:09] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, yes, you have the conf files there, which should be documented
[20:10] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, might be handy for a bit
[20:10] <gilir> but the conf file I have, is pretty small :/
[20:11] <MrChrisDruif> Like I said, I'll have to trace back all the functions
[20:11] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, you can look at the upstream one : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-team/lightdm/trunk/view/head:/data/lightdm.conf
[20:12] <gilir> you should have all the options, with a bit of documentation
[20:13] <gilir> ok, let's move to next topic, we can talk about this later
[20:13] <gilir> #topic phillw - Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team
[20:13] <phillw> I am pleased to announce that Lubuntu is all systems GO for beta 2.
[20:13] <phillw> Some outstanding minor bugs and the release team are looking into the problem with encrypted ~home as a post beta 2 fix.
[20:13] <Yorvyk> \o/
[20:13] <phillw> I'd like to put on record thanks to the release team from ubuntu and our fantastic testers.
[20:14] <phillw> We are acknowledged as having a brilliant group of testers by the whole of 'QA' and Release team.
[20:14] <gilir> great, I'm impressed by the work the ISO testers have done, really great job ! :)
[20:14] <phillw> nice and short :)
[20:14] <phillw> Everyone has gone the extra mile
[20:16] <phillw> we have application testing coming up next, so I'll try to get my head round that for lubuntu specific things that need testing
[20:16] <phillw> any Questions?
[20:17] <gilir> I think it's ok, thanks again phillw :)
[20:18] <gilir> #topic Unit193 - Weekly report - Update from IRC OP's team
[20:19] <gilir> seems ok for IRC (from another chan :))
[20:19] <Unit193> Right, other than a few things going on, nothing I can think of.l
[20:19] <phillw> it is a nil report from them
[20:19] <gilir> #kanliot - Weekly report - Update from comms team
[20:19] <kanliot> hi
[20:20] <gilir> #topic kanliot - Weekly report - Update from comms team
[20:20] <kanliot> did amjjawad get his admin rights on facebook?
[20:20] <kanliot> otherwise i'm not sure about progress
[20:20] <amjjawad> kanliot: not yet :)
[20:20] <gilir> kanliot, will do after the meeting
[20:20] <kanliot> it was an action item
[20:20] <kanliot> anyhow
[20:20] <kanliot> mario is acting as a go between
[20:21] <kanliot> between the comms team and the osuosl which hosts lubuntu.net
[20:21] <kanliot> we might have a problem with getting a drupal 7 site there.
[20:21] <kanliot> sounds bad
[20:21] <kanliot> also i would like to know who has the domain name
[20:21] <kanliot> ok im finished
[20:22] <jmarsden|work> kanliot: Mario is both admin and tech contact for the lubuntu.net domain, as whois lubuntu.net will show
[20:22] <amjjawad> can we fix the www.lubuntu.net issue???
[20:22] <kanliot> i asked mario to introduce me to the osuosl people
[20:22] <amjjawad> there is no "www" in our website and whoever type it, he/she gets error
[20:23] <kanliot> next week we will know if mario did the introduction or not
[20:23] <kanliot> sorry for slow progress
[20:23] <jmarsden|work> amjjawad: Needs an apache server config change by a server admin... noone here has those priviledges AFAIK
[20:23] <kanliot> thanks jmarsden that would be the fix to get www.lubuntu.net working
[20:23] <amjjawad> jmarsden|work: ok thanks for the info and I do hope we can fix that :)
[20:24] <jmarsden|work> kanliot: correct.
[20:24] <kanliot> but my problem is that it might be that we need to redo the new website for an older version of drupal
[20:24] <phillw> jmarsden|work: phillw facepalms at the idea of a server admin would not have put the alias in, but ... there you go :/
[20:24] <kanliot> so i need to confirm that
[20:24] <jmarsden|work> phillw: I've seen it before, which is how I know what the problem is :)
[20:25] <Yorvyk> phillw:  It's not uncommon.
[20:25] <phillw> gilir: can I discuss hosting with you after the meeting?
[20:25] <jmarsden|work> phillw: Only after he gives amjjawad Facebook admin rights :)
[20:25] <gilir> phillw, can we do it by mail ? I need go after the meeting
[20:26] <phillw> gilir: sure.
[20:28] <gilir> ok, thanks kanliot the update , anything to add ?
[20:28] <kanliot> no
[20:28] <gilir> #topic gilir - Weekly report - Update from Devs teams
[20:29] <MrChrisDruif> I hope my connection will stay functioning long enough to finish the meeting
[20:29] <gilir> I'm working on some fixes to be uploaded post-beta-2
[20:30] <gilir> with beta 2 testing, we had also some more bugs to fix :)
[20:31]  * phillw sorry boss :)
[20:31] <gilir> nothing more to add, any questions ?
[20:31] <gilir> phillw, it's better to see them now ;)
[20:32] <phillw> we have a darn good beta 2, thank you and the devs.
[20:32] <gilir> good to know, I'm still seeing to much bug for me :)
[20:32] <phillw> paper cuts, mostly.
[20:33] <gilir> #topic  MrChrisDruif - Weekly report - Update from Docs team
[20:34] <MrChrisDruif> I haven't had the time/motivation to rewrite the RemovingOldKernels page to the command jmarsden|work suggested
[20:34] <MrChrisDruif> And LightDM we've already discussed
[20:35] <MrChrisDruif> And I've heard from phillw that instructions from the ubuntuforums should be moved to the wiki
[20:35] <gilir> yes, maybe some of them are useful as wiki pages
[20:35] <MrChrisDruif> But that task will be pretty daunting, seeing amjjawad's LOST is pretty big
[20:36] <MrChrisDruif> But I had that in the pipeline as a to-do already, so no big surprise there
[20:36] <jmarsden|work> MrChrisDruif: I think it is just the first part of it that would be worth turning into a wiki page
[20:36] <MrChrisDruif> I haven't looked at the LOST, so I can't judge that jmarsden|work
[20:37] <kanliot> amjjawad still owns LOST
[20:37] <kanliot> even though it's Lubuntu"  it might not be a community effort
[20:37] <kanliot> if he built the thing himself
[20:37] <gilir> jmarsden|work, you mean the 1st message of the thread ?
[20:37] <MrChrisDruif> And I've "restructered" the docs team. I've removed about everyone that wasn't active and new member have to go through a two month trail period
[20:38] <MrChrisDruif> I have no need for badge collectors in my team
[20:38] <jmarsden|work> So.. does amjjawad want to be the one to wikify "his" thread, saving MrChrisDruif some work??
[20:38] <kanliot> so i'm saying there's a difference between community property and amjawad's property
[20:38] <MrChrisDruif> That would be very nice if he could do that (he is still part of the docs team)
[20:39] <kanliot> just build a new one from scratch
[20:40] <phillw> just so the meeting is aware, what has been requested is that tutorial threads follow http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1193567 so the tutorial bit is on wiki & the discussion is on forum
[20:40] <phillw> #link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1193567
[20:40] <kanliot> phillw is talking about how the ubuntuforums people?
[20:41] <kanliot> decided to move all technical docs out of the forum
[20:41] <kanliot> becasuse the were getting out of date
[20:41] <kanliot> so now, no tech docs in the forum, everything in the wiki
[20:41] <phillw> +1
[20:41] <amjjawad> OK I'm here
[20:41] <amjjawad> Match is OVER :(
[20:41] <kanliot> lol
[20:41] <amjjawad> MrChrisDruif: kanliot and others
[20:42] <amjjawad> PLEASE
[20:42] <amjjawad> I did NOT decide yet whether to trun LOST to a Wiki page or not because it does NOT make sense to me YET
[20:42] <amjjawad> and if that will happen, I will be the one to do that job, period.
[20:43] <phillw> amjjawad: whether it makes sense, or not. it is a decree soon to be announced on the forum.
[20:43] <amjjawad> it's NOT that I don't want help but I'm the only one who really understands how things are there and stuff like that
[20:43] <amjjawad> phillw: with all due respect, you guys still misunderstand LOST
[20:43] <amjjawad> LOST is NOT all about HOWTOS, wrong. HOWTOs is just ONE little section on the whole thing
[20:43] <phillw> You will still 'own' the forum area for chat etc. All they are saying is that tech stuff goes onto the wiki where it belongs.
[20:43] <amjjawad> anyway, long story short, let me worry about it PLEASE
[20:44] <michael_rawson> amjjawad: well, let us know if you need a hand a any point. :)
[20:44] <jmarsden|work> amjjawad: What is your timetable for having it turned into a wiki page?  Can you give us an expected date?
[20:44] <phillw> +1
[20:44] <MrChrisDruif> Sorry, connections issues in precise it seems (at least I hope it's my pc)
[20:44] <amjjawad> michael_rawson: as always u r the first in mind :)
[20:44] <kanliot> amjjawad isn't going to move it to the wiki
[20:44] <amjjawad> jmarsden|work: sadly I can't but if I start the work, I will focus 100% on taht
[20:45] <amjjawad> kanliot: please, refer back to what I said earlier ;)
[20:45] <amjjawad> jmarsden|work: 1-3 days maybe? idk yet
[20:46] <phillw> amjjawad: you need not do this alone, break it into bite sized pieces and we will all assist from the wiki area.
[20:46] <jmarsden|work> OK. So by next meeting this will be decided and (hopefully) done.
[20:46] <amjjawad> phillw: if you want me to do this, you need to know one simple fact
[20:46] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, let's make it a team effort for a change
[20:46] <amjjawad> I will send an email after the meeting about that. HOWTOs is a small tiny area form LOST. LOST is an index to ALL the important linnks for Lubuntu
[20:46] <gilir> amjjawad, be sure to talk to phillw or to docs team people, to know where to put it on the wiki
[20:47] <amjjawad> so if I want to move the HOWTOs to the wiki, that is a one man job that should NOT take so long
[20:47] <kanliot> yeah i agree LOST does many different things
[20:47] <phillw> gilir: we had a practice earlier, and learned :)
[20:47] <amjjawad> so I promise I will organzie with phillw and MrChrisDruif :)
[20:47] <kanliot> it is very importatnt considering how our website is outta date
[20:47] <kanliot> so all we have is LOST
[20:48] <kanliot> which is another reason to steal it from amjjawad
[20:48] <gilir> phillw, ok fine :)
[20:48] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, anything to add for the doc team ?
[20:49] <amjjawad> Why I'm so strict about it? because I spent days and nights over that thread and I'm sure by the time it takes that someone to really understand how things really work there, i would be done from converting it :P
[20:49] <MrChrisDruif> I hope everything I said made it through my connection, but I think everything is said
[20:50] <MrChrisDruif> The restructuring of the team made it through?
[20:50] <gilir> ok thanks MrChrisDruif :)
[20:50] <jmarsden|work> MrChrisDruif: Yes
[20:51] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, then everything I wanted to say made it through
[20:51] <gilir> #topic Yorvyk - Weekly reminder of upcoming meeting
[20:51] <Yorvyk> o/
[20:52] <Yorvyk> There was a request on the list for a reminder to go out about these meetings.
[20:52] <jmarsden|work> Just set your smartphone or alarm clock or PC calendar app to remind you of meetings... why burden a human with doing something a gadget can do?
[20:52] <MrChrisDruif> jmarsden|work; cron?
[20:52] <phillw> jmarsden|work: because we change time & place :)
[20:52] <gilir> that's was also my opinion when I stoped sending the reminder
[20:53] <jmarsden|work> We do?  It has been 2000 UTC for a LONG time AFAIK
[20:53] <gilir> the goal of having the meeting each week is not have to remind it all time :)
[20:53] <phillw> ahh, but allways in the same place :)
[20:53] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; you mean *not always* in the same place?
[20:54] <gilir> UTC doesn't change, but "real" time changed for some people  :)
[20:54] <phillw> gilir: the goal is to have it AT the same time, just if we do not #ubuntu-meeting, people need to know we are in #lubuntu-offtopic?
[20:54] <gilir> Yorvyk, anyway, if someone want to send a reminder, I'm not against it
[20:54] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, and that got the error in for this week. I apologize for that
[20:54] <amjjawad> gilir: I was saying that someone needs to send an email in case some changes might happen
[20:54] <Yorvyk> OK
[20:54] <gilir> Yorvyk, but, we need to be sure it's correctly booked on the fridge calendar
[20:55] <gilir> amjjawad, in case of modification, that's make sense
[20:55] <amjjawad> gilir: +1
[20:55] <phillw> gilir: then I propose MrChrisDruif to do that, as he books the calender for us.
[20:55] <amjjawad> phillw: +1 :D
[20:55] <MrChrisDruif> I'll have a look in "creating a GMT calendar" like the Fridge suggest so I can have an indefinite loop
[20:55] <gilir> otherwise, well, any phone with a calendar should do the trick :)
[20:56] <amjjawad> gilir: +1
[20:57] <phillw> gilir: action it to MrChrisDruif :)
[20:57] <Yorvyk> OK,  I thought I'd ask as it was mentioned.
[20:57] <MrChrisDruif> gilir; action me for creating a GMT calendar with no daylight saving for adding to the Fridge
[20:57] <gilir> #action MrChrisDruif to create meeting event in frige calendar
[20:57] <meetingology> ACTION: MrChrisDruif to create meeting event in frige calendar
[20:58] <MrChrisDruif> I know what is meant, I'll get on it
[20:58] <phillw> thnx
[20:58] <gilir> you can't action yourself ?
[20:58] <michael_rawson> thanks MrChrisDruif
[20:58] <phillw> gilir: not unless you co-host as chair
[20:59] <gilir> this bot is strict :)
[20:59] <gilir> ok, let's move to the next item
[20:59] <MrChrisDruif> I probably could, but you are chair right? ;-)
[20:59] <gilir> #topic amjjawad - Weekly report - Update from Support Team
[20:59] <amjjawad> Everything I was about to say has already been said :)
[20:59] <amjjawad> I was about to talk about LOST :)
[21:00] <amjjawad> After this meeting, me and phillw will have a chat but not sure where?
[21:00] <amjjawad> phillw: where shall we chat?
[21:00] <phillw> amjjawad: in PM
[21:00] <amjjawad> where? facebook?
[21:00] <amjjawad> or my email?
[21:00] <phillw> in the PM I already have open with you.
[21:00] <gilir> ok, so you can continue after the meeting
[21:01] <amjjawad> phillw: ok :)
[21:01] <amjjawad> and ....
[21:01] <amjjawad> I'm still looking for active members who can help Lubuntu to grow bigger
[21:01] <amjjawad> I'm hunting :P
[21:01] <amjjawad> that is all from my side :)
[21:01] <MrChrisDruif> amjjawad; stand in line please
[21:02] <amjjawad> MrChrisDruif: ???
[21:02] <MrChrisDruif> Docs have dips on new members! ;-)
[21:02] <gilir> thanks amjjawad :)
[21:02] <amjjawad> gilir: :)
[21:02] <gilir> #topic Any Other Business
[21:03] <gilir> any thing to add before the end of the meeting ?
[21:03] <phillw> Crazy couple of weeks, but by heck is 12.04 looking good :D
[21:03] <michael_rawson> phillw, +1
[21:03] <gilir> yes, and after that, we have to prepare the 12.10
[21:03] <phillw> thanks to everyone who makes lubuntu...... well lubuntu :)
[21:03] <MrChrisDruif> Good to hear seeing I'll be putting it on computers of my brother and sister-in-law
[21:03] <gilir> crazy circle :)
[21:03] <amjjawad> oh one more thing to add :P
[21:04] <phillw> circle of life? :)
[21:04] <amjjawad> I'd like to thank wxl who is not hear right now
[21:04] <amjjawad> Lubuntu Official Group on Facebook is going GREAT. It was his idea :)
[21:04] <amjjawad> we just reached 100 members and it's going well
[21:04] <amjjawad> done :)
[21:05] <phillw> gilir: is not allowed away from the computer until he does the task assigned 7 days ago :D
[21:05] <michael_rawson> gilir: how is LSC bug doing?
[21:06] <gilir> michael_rawson, I need to test it on another precise installation
[21:06] <gilir> michael_rawson, I can reproduce the 2 different crash on 2 different precise installation, very weird bug ...
[21:06] <amjjawad> gilir: I'm still waiting :P
[21:07] <phillw> gilir: which kit do you need it testing on?
[21:07] <jmarsden|work> gilir: post a debdiff to the LP bug, or even a package in a test PPA, and others can do the testing, rather than you, you are a busy guy :)
[21:07] <phillw> ask the lubuntu-qa team to assist
[21:07] <gilir> phillw, don't worry, I'll do it, just need to push it to a PPA and test it again
[21:08] <phillw> gilir: put it on staging ... the notes have been added already :)
[21:08] <amjjawad> michael_rawson: any news about LSC? I still can't lunch it :(
[21:08] <michael_rawson> that's "the bug"
[21:08] <gilir> jmarsden|work, I'm testing more than that 1 fix :) And we are blocked until friday, so it's not an emergency
[21:08] <amjjawad> oh sorry that should go to gilir :(
[21:08] <michael_rawson> it's fixed with trunk, just not the release.
[21:09] <phillw> gilir: I thought that was the whole idea of staging?
[21:09] <gilir> amjjawad, fix should arrive after the beta 2 release
[21:09] <amjjawad> Oh, ok
[21:09] <amjjawad> so by 30 or 31 or March, it should be fixed?
[21:10] <gilir> phillw, yes, but I made more changes to LSC that could make it more unstable that it should
[21:10] <michael_rawson> right, I'm off. Thanks, everyone!
[21:10] <amjjawad> What about the Task Bar (Window List) Settings? gilir ? for the 64bit version? I still can't resize the width of the task buttons :(
[21:10] <phillw> touch wood, there are NO respins due tonight, beta 2 should get out Thursday & Feature Freeze be finished.
[21:10] <gilir> amjjawad, on 12.04 ?
[21:10] <amjjawad> Yes and 11.10 as well
[21:11] <phillw> gilir: that is why the notes were written so :)
[21:11] <gilir> amjjawad, ok I'll look at it later
[21:11] <amjjawad> gilir: should I double check? I'm sure it's NOT on 11.10 but not very sure about 12.04
[21:12] <gilir> amjjawad, it's not fixed on 11.10, I'm sure, but should be in 12.04
[21:12] <amjjawad> gilir: i will double check and let u know later :)
[21:13] <gilir> ok thanks
[21:13] <gilir> we are already late :)
[21:13] <gilir> #endmeeting
[21:13] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Mar 28 21:13:10 2012 UTC.
[21:13] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-28-20.03.moin.txt
[21:13] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-28-20.03.html
[21:13] <phillw> gilir: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#PPA_Testing could you please check, I *think* I need to include the apt-get install lxinput line again to grab the older one, but it may not install because it has a later one.
[21:13] <phillw> thanks gilir for chairing, so we ran over time. was worth it :)