=== albrigha is now known as Guest67837 === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === Guest86790 is now known as Zic === bladernr_afk is now known as bladernr_ === smb` is now known as smb === doko_ is now known as doko [15:04] * slangasek waves [15:04] o/ [15:05] #startmeeting [15:05] Meeting started Wed Mar 28 15:05:09 2012 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:05] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:05] [TOPIC] Lightning round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lightning round [15:05] $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson) [15:05] barry stgraber ev cjwatson slangasek infinity bdmurray doko ogra jodh [15:05] bug 959724; bug 941790; bug 960595 (reviewed and tested); bug 966257; bug 966521; (other flufl.* package updates in debian); dmb meeting; upgrade issues (problems w/unity, unity2d/3d testing, desktop failures); boring stuff: expense reports, perf reviews, pycon catchup. ∅ [15:06] Launchpad bug 959724 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Limit boot loader installation target" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/959724 [15:06] Launchpad bug 941790 in unity "Emacs window shrinks automatically" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/941790 [15:06] Launchpad bug 960595 in python-scipy (Debian) "FFe for python3 scipy packages" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/960595 [15:06] Launchpad bug 966257 in flufl.enum (Ubuntu) "[FFe] sync to latest Debian version" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/966257 [15:06] Launchpad bug 966521 in flufl.bounce (Ubuntu) "[FFe] sync flufl.{bounce,password,i18n,lock} from Debian" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/966521 [15:06] Bugs, bugs, bugs... [15:06] - ISO tracker [15:06] - Discussed the hardware profile API with cr3, now waiting for implementation [15:06] - Wrote a new script to push new netboot images to the tracker everytime we have a d-i build [15:06] - Created localized ISO tracker at http://localized-iso.qa.ubuntu.com [15:06] - Rewrote LP integration script to use storm and the API, much cleaner and much faster [15:06] - Major bug cleanup, went from 85 down to just 14, now working on fixing the remaining ones [15:06] - Installer [15:06] - Quite a lot of ubiquity bug fixes [15:06] - Uploaded new ubiquity slideshow and did some cleanup of the bugs [15:06] - Containers [15:06] - (RELEASE) LXC now works properly with apparmor blocking most of the known security issues. [15:07] - (RELEASE) Released arkose 1.5.1 (bugfix and translations update) [15:07] - TPM [15:07] - Did some more bugfixing of opencryptoki's packaging [15:07] - Other [15:07] - Improved queuebot to work with all releases, the NEW queue and with the ISO tracker [15:07] - Released and uploaded a new LTSP bugfix release, 5.3.6 [15:07] - Made pastebinit use the langpacks for translations [15:07] - TODO this week [15:07] - Continue working on bugs [15:07] (DONE) [15:08] ev's off today; cjwatson: [15:09] Extensive Ubiquity test suite fixes. [15:09] OpenSSL 1.0.1. [15:09] Half-day patch piloting. [15:09] Updated my Lucid OpenSSH backport PPA. [15:09] Beta 2 preparation. Various small fixes all over the place. Lots of archive administration. [15:09] More secure boot discussions. [15:09] Fixed auto-upgrade-tester's detection of obsolete conffiles. [15:09] Landed a few miscellaneous Launchpad branches, including a slight NewReleaseCycleProcess simplification that removes another need for archive admin lp_publish access. [15:09] Worked on Launchpad branch to open up -proposed for use during development. Nearly finished. [15:09] Performance self-review. [15:09] .. [15:11] partner archive work [15:11] Sorry I'm late. [15:11] performance self-review [15:11] picking off obsolete conffiles from the jenkins upgrade reports [15:11] ahh, the self-review ... === yofel_ is now known as yofel [15:12] misc beta-2 helping [15:12] .. [15:12] infinity: hey there - you're next [15:12] Oh. I'm not awake enough to be next. [15:12] bdrung: [15:12] sorry [15:13] bdmurray: [15:13] bug triage of foundation's hottest bugs [15:13] bug triage of iso-testing bug reports [15:13] fixed ubiquity bug 960278 [15:13] Launchpad bug 960278 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crashed with UnicodeEncodeError in debug(): 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe9' in position 55: ordinal not in range(128)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/960278 [15:13] wrote a bug pattern for bug 929219 [15:13] cleaning up duplicates of bug 891711 and bug 944191 [15:13] modifications to cbd to remove tasks no longer matching criteria [15:13] Launchpad bug 929219 in eglibc (Ubuntu Precise) "chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV in __nscd_get_mapping()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/929219 [15:13] Launchpad bug 891711 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Fails to copy directory over symlink (e.g. /var/lock when downgrading from 11.10 to 11.04)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/891711 [15:13] Launchpad bug 944191 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Installation program crashed while typing username" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944191 [15:13] blog post regarding hottest bugs charts [15:13] testing apport kerneloops no package hook run issue [15:13] done [15:14] - vacation last week [15:14] - catch up with email [15:14] - started test rebuild [15:14] - prepared packages for gcc-4.7 test rebuild [15:14] - gccgo-4.7.0 [15:14] - Linaro call [15:14] done ? [15:15] * ogra_ assumes so [15:15] done: [15:15] * bugwork on 960710 (jasper doesnt enable deb-src on preinstalled images) [15:15] * lots of (time consuming) debugging work on bug 961133 [15:15] * uploaded pvr sgx driver (sitting in NEW to go to multiverse, then we can add the compiz GLES patch and add jasper support for pvr) [15:15] * started reworking partman-uboot for vfat to fix bug 872525 (thabnks colin for pointing to it) [15:15] * stopwatched initrdless boot on panda to serial login prompt: with initrd 50sec, without initrd 25sec. so dropping the initrd from panda installs would win us 25sec [15:15] Launchpad bug 961133 in linux (Ubuntu) "No video output from Ubuntu Desktop ARM Images on my Pandaboard to my DVI monitor" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/961133 [15:15] Launchpad bug 872525 in partman-uboot (Ubuntu Precise) "No option for u-boot partition on armel omap/omap4 platforms" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/872525 [15:15] (note that u-boot initialization takes about 10sec) [15:15] * lots of arm community support [15:15] * self review done) [15:15] beta2: [15:16] * tested ac100 images and fixed a minor issue [15:16] * tested omap4 images [15:16] * still testing omap3 [15:16] todo: [15:16] * merge compiz GLES patch once the driver is up [15:16] * look into jockey PVR driver integration [15:16] * look into fsck slowdown [15:16] * finish partman-uboot rewrite for omap3/4 [15:16] * peer reviews [15:16] the initrdless boot stuff was very intresting ... jodh i still see upstart complain about ptys btw ... but it finishes the boot [15:16] yes, it will complain, then fall back to "console none". [15:17] Maybe we'll bundle mountall into upstart for Q? :) [15:17] ogra_: done? [15:17] dropping the initrd on arm got me at best 12sec boots (from loading kernel to login prompt) since i stopwatch its not very precise so i took the worst measuring ... but it looks like we can cut boottime in half on pandas with dropping initrd [15:17] (sorry was typing) [15:17] done ;) [15:18] * [misc] [15:18] * Performance self+mgr review. [15:18] * Put PPU application together. [15:18] * [boot/upstart] [15:18] * [#] Upstart 1.5 release and associated Ubuntu merge. [15:18] * Big update to upstart-events(7). [15:18] * Upstart Cookbook updates. [15:18] * Lots of IRC today discussion (resulting in another pending Cookbook update). [15:18] * [boot/plymouth] [15:18] * Working on Plymouth SIGSEGV bugs (553745, 849414). [15:18] ⟰ [15:18] [15:18] ogra_: nice! [15:18] ogra_: how does that compare with the boot time when using a "minimal" initrd, which I think was the other part of that comparison that the kernel team wanted? [15:18] yes, its pretty impressive [15:19] (i.e., an initramfs that doesn't start udev or contain modules, just immediately resolves the rootfs and pivots) [15:19] right, havent tested that yet [15:19] ok [15:19] but given that the loading even of a very small file in u-boot doesnt happen under 5 sec ... [15:20] ogra_: ah :) [15:20] what's it doing?! [15:20] Your uBoot seems a lot sadder than mine... [15:20] i'll test with the minimal one for getting the numbers at least [15:20] Reparsing a filesystem every time or something? [15:20] (and badly, presumably) [15:20] it loads the file from slow media (SD), then removes the header and suffles it around in ram [15:20] *shuffles [15:21] and using a terrible i/o implementation for the load, too [15:21] i'm sure it can be made faster on the ram side [15:21] but the SD is always in the way [15:21] slangasek: right, that wouldn't have accounted for 5s on small files on its own though [15:21] yeah [15:21] infinity: your turn again [15:21] - fix p11-kit bug 911436 in two ways [15:21] - performance reviews (manager + self) [15:21] - beta 2 release management involvement [15:21] - land lp-buildd performance improvements, and coordinate roll out [15:21] - work with IS on reallocation of beagles as livefs buildds [15:21] - look into bug 965840 [15:21] - review PVR drivers and offer feedback for 959924 [15:21] - start work on bug 759545 [15:21] Launchpad bug 911436 in p11-kit (Ubuntu) "https crashed with SIGSEGV in lookup_or_create_bucket()" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/911436 [15:22] done [15:22] Launchpad bug 965840 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Precise) "Need to apply patch: "ARM: Do not call flush_cache_user_range with mmap_sem held"" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/965840 [15:22] Launchpad bug 759545 in grub2 (Ubuntu Precise) "user prompted to update unmodified grub configuration during Ubuntu server upgrade" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759545 [15:22] Hrm, forgot the bug keyword for bug 959924 [15:22] Launchpad bug 959924 in Ubuntu Precise "[needs-packaging] pvr sgx driver and kernel module for Pandaboard" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/959924 [15:22] great [15:22] any issues with the drivers ? [15:23] ogra_: The first time around, I bounced them back to ricardo and he completely repackaged them. [15:23] ogra_: I haven't had a chance to review the second roung. :) [15:23] ah, k [15:23] round* [15:23] :) [15:24] any other questions on any of the above? [15:25] [TOPIC] Bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Bugs [15:25] stgraber: I'd just like to say thanks again for the queuebot improvements - it's fantastic now [15:25] bdmurray: what's hot in bugland? [15:25] cjwatson: You can blame me for nagging him every 3 minutes with weird suggestions. :P [15:25] cjwatson: np :) [15:26] well, I happened to be looking at hot bugs recently and ran across bug 606491 [15:26] Launchpad bug 606491 in anacron (Ubuntu) "start: Job is already running: anacron" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606491 [15:27] which may be related to bug 226780 [15:27] Launchpad bug 226780 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt-key net-update does not obey APT::Acquire::http::Proxy" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/226780 [15:28] 606491> interesting [15:29] I wonder if that's really an anacron bug [15:29] or if it should be handled as a bug in whatever job is hanging [15:29] (i.e., apt) [15:29] If apt really is hanging. [15:30] And for what definition of "hang". [15:31] * slangasek adds this to the queue for further investigation [15:31] that's all I have so far - lots of iso-testing bugs to look at [15:32] Hmm... anacron seems to be everywhere - /etc/apm/event.d/anacron [15:32] Nothing looked too terrible when I looked earlier today, but no doubt there've been a slew since then [15:33] (of iso-testing) [15:33] bug #966403 is the one on my radar from iso testing [15:33] Launchpad bug 966403 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu Install (entire disk with encryption) doesn't prompt for disk password." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/966403 [15:33] I'll see if I can't get to the bottom of that today [15:34] UnreportableReason: This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party package and try again. [15:34] huh, why's *that* in the bug report? [15:36] theming issue eh ? *g* [15:36] maybe [15:37] [TOPIC] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:37] anything else? [15:38] thanks again everyone for the great work last week on the installer sprint - and for being flexible in your working hours [15:39] +1 [15:40] it was fun and productive! [15:41] ++ [15:41] +1 [15:42] btw, if that didnt come across ... i didnt mind the virtual jetlag actually :) [15:42] heh :) [15:43] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:43] Meeting ended Wed Mar 28 15:43:20 2012 UTC. [15:43] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-28-15.05.moin.txt [15:43] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-28-15.05.html [15:43] thanks! [15:43] thanks! [15:43] thanks ! [15:44] thanks! [16:02] do we have a QA meeting today? [16:02] or is everybody so busy testing that there is no meeting? [16:02] balloons: ? [16:03] gema: we should have at 17:00 UTC (1 hour) [16:03] phillw: 5UTC is right now [16:04] gema: Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Wednesday, 28 March 2012, 16:03:56 [16:04] or maybe I am wrong, hold on xD [16:04] phillw: ack, got the wrong time [16:04] phillw: thanks :D [16:04] even I've got http://www.timeanddate.com running to check :) [16:05] awesome website, phillw , much better than asking google every time, thanks :D [17:02] Bug control meeting? [17:03] mfisch: I think you are an hour early, the QA meeting is about to start, I hope [17:03] stupid daylight savings time [17:03] gema: thanks [17:03] balloons: ping [17:04] mfisch: http://www.timeanddate.com :) Handy link to book mark :) [17:04] I'm going to put it in my calendar as GMT and let the calendar figure it out from now on [17:05] phillw, pong [17:06] balloons: ahh :) are we having a meeting? [17:06] did everyone get confused on the time? [17:06] * balloons was just reading above [17:06] hopefully not.. [17:07] anyways, yes let's begin [17:07] balloons: only one person admitted to it. mf is an hour early for bugs [17:07] #startmeeting ubuntu qa community [17:07] Meeting started Wed Mar 28 17:07:32 2012 UTC. The chair is balloons. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:07] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu qa community Meeting | Current topic: [17:07] so who is here? [17:07] :-) [17:08] o/ [17:09] hmm, gema was here 5 mins ago? [17:09] lol [17:09] yes.. [17:09] I will be on and off, sorry guys, I am cooking :) [17:09] I had hoped to get jibel and some others as well [17:09] yummy gem [17:09] balloons: it is 7pm for jibel [17:09] ahh.. [17:09] we'll be round in an hour :) [17:10] and for you [17:10] 6pm [17:10] 6pm also [17:10] ok, so let's check the agenda [17:10] hint: beta 2 [17:10] ACTION: phillw to fix feb 29th log, merge them, and make the regex for meetings page display all the logs again (balloons, 16:07:36) [17:10] * phillw done :) [17:10] 7pm here [17:10] [TOPIC] Previous Actions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu qa community Meeting | Current topic: Previous Actions [17:11] awesome phillw I see it's been done [17:11] looks good [17:11] ACTION: balloons to send results of poll and provide the most suitable timeframes for one last round of polling. (balloons, 16:19:01) [17:11] it was the best I could without spending hours on the merge [17:11] This I also did.. Which I trust will help us by moving the time to something more convinent for everyone [17:12] balloons: what was the decision? [17:12] so, let's talk about the results [17:12] this was round 1.. if you'll remember: http://whenisgood.net/mzs4etp/results/x83kbr [17:12] for round 2, we picked 1 time slot perday and got people to vote [17:13] I was waiting hoping the time would be broken, but sadly we had 2 votes each option monday, tuesday, weds, thursday [17:14] no friday votes [17:14] This is the form https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFRBUjJ6ZVN0dk9YVDBvbmVhQ2VpQmc6MQ [17:14] So I'd like to make a decision now based upon that feedback, by also looking at the earlier survey to break the tie [17:14] make sense? [17:15] balloons: discard my vote... does that help enay? [17:15] *any* [17:16] heh [17:16] not really [17:16] I'm basically looking at doing it weds at 1400 I *think* [17:17] that gets us several people I know want to attend.. [17:17] and is one of the best options from the survey [17:17] okies, weds 14:00 is fine by me :) [17:18] tues @ 1900 UTC is the other strong response [17:18] but our poor european friends.. it's already so late for them [17:18] hmm, yeah 8pm is well past food time! [17:18] so I guess 1400 it is [17:19] same day, earlier time [17:19] [ACTION] balloons to announce new time for QA meeting, 1400 UTC weds [17:19] ACTION: balloons to announce new time for QA meeting, 1400 UTC weds [17:19] alrighty [17:20] so let's move on [17:20] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Updates === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu qa community Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Updates [17:20] I think gema dropped.. but as everyone knows it's beta 2 season [17:20] the beta should drop final tomorrow sometime [17:21] not much else to say.. the u+1 team has been busy helping out with iso testing [17:21] the lubuntu folks worked well last week with the ubiquity sprint [17:21] lots of good focused work being done [17:21] bugs squashed ;-) [17:23] roginac, kaldor and myself converted the checkbox tests to the new qt format and those will be used for the app testing after beta2 is released [17:23] the new gui is much nicer than the old gtk gui [17:24] as an fyi, the repo has migrated as well to https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/checkbox/checkbox-app-testing-qt [17:24] questions? [17:24] ok. [17:24] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Flavor Updates === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu qa community Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Flavor Updates [17:25] phillw, I think it's just you on this one [17:25] :-) [17:25] anything to share [17:25] It has gone fantastically well, until we started counting chickens before they hatched and got stung with bug 967257 about an hour ago. Work is on going as we speak. 27th March was okay, so there is a fall back if needed. [17:25] Launchpad bug 967257 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "PPC Install CD from 28 Mar does not boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967257 [17:25] wow.. bizarre [17:26] a real pain. [17:27] I'll bet.. [17:27] well.. I'd like to end this one early and plan for a big group next time :-) [17:28] fine :) [17:28] phillw, thanks for coming.. remember the new time [17:28] and we'll see more faces next week [17:28] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [17:28] Meeting ended Wed Mar 28 17:28:54 2012 UTC. [17:28] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-28-17.07.moin.txt [17:28] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-28-17.07.html [17:29] thasnks for chairing balloons [17:40] meetingology Meeting started Wed Mar 28 15:05:09 2012 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:40] kangarooo: Error: "Meeting" is not a valid command. [17:40] #endmeeting [17:40] ? [17:41] bots link is giving . at end and in irc log it gives link with . and that link doesnt exist. [17:41] ah [17:41] not something I can fix :) [17:42] where to post bug? [17:44] about thhis bot and . [17:46] af found- ubuntu-bots [18:01] anybody here for the bug squad meeting? [18:02] heeyee [18:03] kangarooo: was that a yes? [18:03] no but if others will ill too [18:03] There's the guy all my wiki edits go to. >_> [18:04] anyone else? sometimes meetings are empty or wait time needed? [18:05] if no qourum then no meeting? [18:05] bug meeting? [18:05] mfisch: si [18:05] #startmeeting [18:05] Meeting started Wed Mar 28 18:05:34 2012 UTC. The chair is bdmurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [18:05] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [18:05] #topic Previous Actions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Previous Actions [18:06] there were no actions from the last meeting [18:06] #topic Engineering Bug Status === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Engineering Bug Status [18:06] I'm looking into an issue with apport and kerneloops reports missing log files from the linux package hook at the moment [18:07] oh thats great [18:08] i dont know whats kernelloops? i need to say something? [18:08] and I wrote a blog post about visualizing bug heat http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=114 [18:08] kernel oops [18:08] #idea that needs to be fixed [18:09] lots of ubiquity bugs to review with the iso-testing going on [18:09] that's about it here. Ursinha, jsalisbury? [18:09] yes i also posted 2 [18:10] 2 bugs about ubiquity dying at end [18:10] I think we need to be careful when responding to people who subscribe bugs to our list [18:10] s/careful/more careful/ [18:11] mfisch: could we talk about that in a couple of minutes? [18:11] bdmurray: sure, sorry for hijacking ;) [18:12] #topic Bug Escalations (any High or Critical bugs that community members have seen that need attention) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Bug Escalations (any High or Critical bugs that community members have seen that need attention) [18:12] bdmurray: yes #idea about bug heat sorting and graphical view is helpfull to distinguish priority bugs [18:13] kangarooo: are the bugs you ran into high or critical types of bugs? [18:13] im opening gmail to find most ignored for my laptops [18:13] 1min [18:16] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/907544 [18:16] Launchpad bug 907544 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Asus eee pc x101 doesnt work sound shortcuts" [Low,Incomplete] [18:17] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/787257 [18:17] Launchpad bug 787257 in ubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "10.04.2 Widescreen laptop has boot screen 1/10 times and for 2 last seconds of boot" [Undecided,New] [18:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/889586 [18:18] Launchpad bug 765438 in linux (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #889586 On startup, the backlight is off on laptop" [Undecided,Triaged] [18:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/912046 [18:18] Launchpad bug 912046 in linux (Ubuntu) "11.10 black screen- nothing seenable on laptop" [Undecided,Expired] [18:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/912046 [18:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/950919 [18:18] Launchpad bug 950919 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "12.04 ubuntu beta 1 black screen" [Undecided,Incomplete] [18:19] thats main for now. [18:20] kangarooo: that's quiet a few to look at - I don't think all of them are high or critical but a couple do look important [18:21] kangarooo: can I follow up with you in #ubuntu-bugs after the meeting? [18:21] ok [18:21] #topic Other Topics === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Other Topics [18:21] mfisch: were you talking about ubuntu-bugcontrol being subscribed to a bug report? [18:22] bdmurray: yeah, I think we just need to be more careful in responses. People who do stuff like that don't know our process, they're just trying to get help. [18:22] bdmurray: I'm referring to the email I got this morning "please dont subscribe this list to every bug under the sun" (paraphrased) [18:25] bdmurray: thats it from me [18:26] mfisch: I agree more tact could have been used. Do you have any idea on how we could spread this idea? [18:27] bdmurray: well we could have a canned response for this which may help, but if you take the attitude that people are not doing this out of spite, but out of ignorance, I think it helps [18:27] +1 [18:27] we all get annoyed when people keep doing things like this, gnome-nettools has maybe 30 dupes of the same bug? [18:27] I just sigh and post the canned response and keep any irritation to myself [18:28] Ah, yes a standard reply makes sense. Would you mind drafting one? [18:28] bdmurray: I knew I should have kept quiet! ;) Sure, I'll put it on my to do list [18:29] +1 to todo list equals now 1020482 things to do :) we can post bug and anyone can edit it. [18:30] so anyone can edit canned response draft [18:31] so we dont force google docs for collaborating in making draft of canned response [18:31] kangarooo: the standard replies are in a wiki page already [18:31] yes [18:31] ok ill look up [18:31] I will work on it this week, just not today [18:32] #action mfisch to draft a reply for the situation where someone subsribes a team to a bug report [18:32] ACTION: mfisch to draft a reply for the situation where someone subsribes a team to a bug report [18:32] okay anything else? [18:33] making logs like thees in video so ppl who dont use irc can get in bugging https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1201/FixingSmallBugs [18:33] VIdeo team? [18:34] kangarooo: that's not really something the bug squad can help with [18:35] ah ok for different meeting then. ill just start making this king of videos then team [18:35] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [18:35] Meeting ended Wed Mar 28 18:35:32 2012 UTC. [18:35]