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* AlanBell thinks popey enjoys saying that06:52
czajkowskialoha07:05
DJonesBloody panic buying at petrol stations, 3 fuel stations this morning before I could get any07:10
daubersAre we back on to that again?07:17
daubersMust go get a bottle of oil at lunch time07:19
DJonesLooks like its starting, yesterday there were queue's a mile long near work before the stations ran out of fuel, then the first two stations I went to this morning had problems, one had run out, one only had petrol but there were about 50 cars queuing for that, 3rd one had no problems and no queues and had had a delivery yesterday07:20
AlanBellwhat is the right way to stop a service from running on boot?07:36
DJonesWhy when you search amazon for micro sd 32Gb class 10, does it offer you class 4...Stupid search system08:05
arsensorry DJones - i read "3 fuel stations before i could get any" totally different to how i think i was meant to.08:08
arsenget any FUEL. bad mind.08:08
DJonesHmmh....08:08
* DJones passes arsen the mind bleach08:08
MartijnVdSDJones: Why would people be panic buying at petrol stations?08:10
arsenthanks.08:10
arsenthreatened fuel tanker driver strike, MartijnVdS08:11
DJonesMartijnVdS: Fuel tanker drivers have voted to go on strike, but not said when, but they're expecting it be in time for the easter weekend08:11
arsenim all for the truckers doing road blockades again to protest - that was great.08:11
popeyI was in finland the last time there were big fuel strikes08:21
popeywas great fun seeing all my mates emailing back and forth about which stations had fuel08:21
popey"Loads here guys!"08:21
popey"Where?"08:21
popey"Oslo"08:21
BigRedSthat does sound like the sort of incentive I need to cycle to work08:21
arsenmy new bike arrives today :D08:24
arsencycling to work is one of the best things ive ever started doing.08:25
BigRedSNow I'm in the countryside I really don't like cycling08:26
popeysurely your motorbike isn't expensive to run?08:28
BigRedSnah08:29
BigRedSwell, it's more so than it might be08:29
chrisccoulsonah, the joys of working from home :)08:29
popey+108:30
popey08:30
arsenhow come BigRedS ? i enjoy rides around the greenery :D08:30
BigRedSarsen: it's the traffic08:30
BigRedSit's all predictable and slow in London08:30
BigRedSwell08:31
BigRedSslow08:31
arseni do enjoy my commute - i tend to treat it like  sportive. twice a day08:31
BigRedSah, I just spend most of the time I'm on a bike her feeling like I'm in the way08:34
arsenarh :/08:36
arsenit is much more common in london.08:36
arsenwhen i first started commuting it was me and a few bikes at most at traffic lights - these days its ~10+08:37
BigRedSah yeah, I've heard that's happened08:37
gordonjcpI'd like to cycle to work on days like this08:42
gordonjcpthe half a tonne of test gear kind of puts paid to that idea08:42
bigcalmOk, who killed symfony-project.org ?08:43
hank3three3chatI', trying to run 12.04 using live cd or dvd but I am having problems starting it up, can somebody give me some help please?08:47
hank3three3chatHow do I get it to start?08:47
hank3three3chatI go into the bios but not sure which one to choose, and it keeps bypassing the dvd and starting the installed os08:48
gordonjcphank3three3chat: check that the CD/DVD drive is set to be the first boot device08:48
hank3three3chatwhich option in the bios do I choose to do that?08:48
gordonjcpdepends on your biod08:50
gordonjcp*bios08:50
hank3three3chatok, I'll try to take a picture08:51
gordonjcplacking the means to look over your shoulder I can't tell you exactly08:51
gordonjcpnot much good, I won't be able to see it08:51
gordonjcplook around for something like "Advanced", and in there look around for something like "Boot Order"08:51
gordonjcpthat seems to be the most common08:51
arsenbigcalm   - gotta just leave it at work, or get smaller stuff :) i have a little 11" lappy to enable commuting.08:52
hank3three3chatok, I got into the bios, and got boot and it gives six options, just took a pic, will try upload now, one sec08:53
hank3three3chatnot good because of backlight but hope you can see it08:53
bigcalmarsen: eh?08:54
gordonjcphank3three3chat: I haven't got web access just now08:54
arsenbigcalm  - if you're talking about having too much stuff to carry-  carry less or leave it where you work :P but i dont know what you do, so "test" gear could imply part of your job is travelling with gear?08:55
arseni duno :)08:55
bigcalmarsen: I think you might have the wrong nick there08:56
bigcalmI work from home thus don't travel or need to take things places08:56
hank3three3chatok, thanks anyway08:57
arsenoh - sorry, i totally meant to say all of that to gordonjcp :x08:59
* arsen goes back to bed.08:59
hank3three3chatthat is odd, I tried all the options, but none seem to have worked,09:07
hank3three3chaton the website it says to use a dvd and not cd because the download is too large for dvd, does that make any difference?09:08
hank3three3chatfor cd, I should say09:09
hank3three3chatok, does anybody have a help page I can be directed to then09:11
gordonjcptbh I'd use a USB stick09:12
gordonjcparsen: yes, it's equipment I use for my job09:13
gordonjcparsen: it involves slightly more than a laptop09:13
gordonjcpand more along the lines of communications test sets, rolls of extremely low loss cable, signal generators, spectrum analysers etc09:14
arsen2ah, ouch P09:16
arsen:p09:16
arsenwould be amazing to see someone make an effort to take it tho09:16
arsentwin panniers, front and rear :D09:16
BigRedSwe used to have a customer who was a handyman who went round on a bicycle09:19
BigRedSand not one of those newfangled cargo bikes, just a tourer with pannier racks and a lot of bodging09:20
hank3three3chatoh, think I might have been doing something wrong, I was trying to use F2 and not F12, using a different laptop, used f12 instead and its starting the dvd09:20
hank3three3chatonce I am in there, and running he live dvd how do I get out of it, I don't want to install it on that laptop>09:21
hank3three3chatok, found out it works on this laptop, how do I come out of this, and remove the dvd safely09:24
gordhank3three3chat, click in the top right, shutdown09:24
bigcalmIs there any reason to not set a field to LONGBLOB instead of MEDIUMBLOB in MySQL?09:24
hank3three3chatok, thank you09:24
gordbigcalm, does long not imply uses more data?09:25
MartijnVdSbigcalm: is there any reason to use mysql? ;)09:25
bigcalmThanks MartijnVdS :P09:25
bigcalmgord: mediumblob will store a max of 16mb so I'm wondering if it's worth wile using longblob09:26
bigcalmI don't know what the overhead is to have different field sizes09:26
MartijnVdSbigcalm: "I thought size didn't matter"09:26
gordseems like longblob uses 4bytes to store data instead of 3, performance might be negligible, i'd benchmark it if i were you09:26
bigcalmgord: thanks09:27
bigcalmAs this will be for delivering uploaded assets rather than pre-set images, I think the performance difference will be ok09:28
gordwell it really depends on the size of the database09:28
gordi think09:28
gordi mean i'm guessing ;)09:28
bigcalm:D09:29
gordwait, your storing the uploaded asset in the database?09:31
bigcalmYes09:31
bigcalmThat's the intention09:31
gordwhy?09:31
gordi mean, why not store the upload as a file like everything else in the world, so you can serve it up as a file09:31
bigcalmBecause with multiple web heads it makes it awkward09:32
popeyshared storage09:32
popeyproxy09:32
bigcalmYes, we could have a separate assets server. But we'd rather not for this project09:33
gordwell when the database blows up because someone tried to upload a dvd, don't blame me :P09:33
bigcalmMaybe I'll stick to mediumblob09:35
hank3three3chatseems I might have a problem, even though on this laptop I managed to partition and install 10.10, for some reason, when I click on the boot menu, it won't start the dvd, and I know it works because I tried it on the other laptop, so the boot for dvd is not working for somereason09:36
MartijnVdShank3three3chat: could be the laptop not being able to boot from CDs/DVDs?09:36
MartijnVdShank3three3chat: have you looked in the BIOS, and set it to boot from CD?09:37
czajkowskinew user seems lost if anyone wants to help. https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/19184709:38
gordhank3three3chat, you might have more luck using a live usb or maybe wubi which lets you install ubuntu from inside windows09:38
popeycan someone install touchegg on 12.04 and reproduce 96696009:38
popeyoh, private bug, never mind, will wait till it gets unprivated09:38
hank3three3chatits what I have been trying to do, with the bios getting it to even start the dvd, it wont09:39
hank3three3chatI need to get a stick,09:39
hank3three3chat can't seem to find the ones I had09:39
hank3three3chatand I don't want to install wubi09:39
hank3three3chatand I know th dvd works because I was able to get it to start on another laptop09:40
gordyeah it seems to be a problem with your machine, problem is that all bios's are different so its hard to help09:41
popeyhttp://www.hiren.info/pages/bios-boot-cdrom is nice09:42
hank3three3chatpopey: thanks for that, but my bios look nothing like that, and its F2 or f!2 to enter09:50
hank3three3chatbut I have saved that to my bookmarks09:50
hank3three3chatand this laptop is only a year old09:50
gordhrm, upgraded a machine remotely (norway) over ssh from lucid to oneiric, completely problem free, ubuntu is awesome :)09:53
rml_homedoes anyone know how to turn off the "change focus on hover thing?"09:55
hank3three3chatok, for some reason, it wouldn't boot from my dvd player, but remembred I have a usb dvd player, so tried that, and its worked, but it seems it dosnt want to play the dvd09:55
hank3three3chatnot good, so it seems this laptop doesn't like 12,0409:56
popeyrml_home: on what ubuntu release?09:57
rml_homepopey: 11.1009:59
rml_homeIt's probably really obvious, but I can't find how to turn it back to "focus on click"10:00
hank3three3chathow do you shut down using the keys10:00
rml_homehank3three3chat: let's not even go there :)10:01
rml_homehank3three3chat: power off.  I have no "shutdown" icon10:01
popeyrml_home: running unity?10:02
hank3three3chatwell, unless I just use the power button, is that an option, because its just not doing anything and I am afraid to just pull the usb drive out10:03
hank3three3chatits just a black screen10:03
rml_homepopey: unfortunately yes.  I'd ditch it in a second if I could10:03
popey10:03
rml_home<-- quite a N00b10:03
rml_homemy Google-fu fails me on this10:04
popeyrml_home: ☹10:17
davmor2morning all10:18
davmor2czajkowski: you online today rather than having you hair done :P10:18
czajkowskiI am here10:19
czajkowskidid you miss me10:19
brobostigongood morning everyone.10:19
rml_homepopey:  I know :(10:20
davmor2czajkowski: well I threw hugs and insults at you and nothing10:24
czajkowskiI was kinda busy10:27
czajkowskihad a million and one jobs to do yesterday10:27
hank3three3chatgoing to try the alternate cd, then if that doesn't work, then I will have to try another distro10:29
davmor2czajkowski: and you're hair too10:29
czajkowskiwell there is that10:29
czajkowskistarted off with ocado being 3 hrs late which was annoying10:29
czajkowskiand then they arrived an hour early today :)10:29
davmor2czajkowski: and out of those jobs which was the longest by far10:30
czajkowskihair then drs10:30
davmor2czajkowski: and no irc you should be ashamed of yourself woman ;)10:31
czajkowskinope took the day off :)10:32
* daubers might need to get the office to get him a tablet :(10:32
daubersunless I can get my phone to do this stuff.. screen sizing might be an issue10:32
gordtape several phones together10:33
DJonesdaubers: I would recommend a transformer prime, connectbot works great for ssh/irssi, full screen & full keyboard :)10:34
gordi recommend taping several phones together10:34
daubersDJones: Input isn't so much of an issue, it'd be more navigation :)10:34
daubersgord: Might be more expensive10:35
DJonesgord: You've got to write the display driver to get multiple phones taped together acting as a single screen :)10:35
gordwell no, you just zoom in and move each one to a corner10:35
popeythere's an app for that10:35
arsen^_^10:36
gordyou might need to purchase a special stick to move them all at once10:36
=== alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk
arsen[C]ZaiQQ  iStick10:40
arsentry that again, iStick10:40
gordi'll wait for the iStick pro10:42
sagaciis there something available for gnome/lxde that is green-as-grass simple to resize massive images10:45
sagaciI know you can use gimp but that's a pain10:45
davmor2daubers: if you have an android phone you can try out airdroid maybe10:49
daubersdavmor2: Nah, it's more that I'm starting to get so busy I'm forgetting things, so I've written an android app to be my secretary10:51
daubersTrying to cram all the information into a quick display thing on the phone is priving difficult10:51
daubersproving even10:51
gordanyone who uses spotify know if its possible to get it to respect multimedia keys?10:56
gordneed to upgrade my bank account - been meaning to do it for ages, the websites idea of help isn't the best http://gordallott.com/share/thanks.png11:11
sagacididn't think you'd need that much more help11:14
gordits like the only option they have a little help button for ;)11:14
bigcalmHaha11:16
arsenlol.11:20
bigcalmali1234: I can wait for the sgs3 to be out before I renew my contract and not lose anything I already have. I'll just continue to be billed at the same rate that I am right now11:21
bigcalmali1234: This is from a T-Mobile drone worker. I drove to Telford town centre just for this information11:22
DJonesbigcalm: Did they say when it was due out11:23
bigcalmDJones: nobody knows11:25
bigcalmDJones: they haven't heard from their Samsung rep. for a while. It'll be one of the things they are eager to know as well11:25
bigcalmDJones: there might be a 22nd May reveal11:25
DJonesI've got no doubt it'll be out before I'm due to renew (October), I'm seriously considering cancelling my contract when it runs out and going with giffgaff for the unlimited data, its not as if my phone will be out of date/obsolete by then11:27
bigcalmI've found that I don't use the data allowance I have11:29
bigcalmExcept for when VirginMedia disappear for a week11:29
bigcalmCan you re-open a closed ticket on Rackspace?11:30
DJonesI use data more than the phone, even their minimum plan with 100 minutes would more than enough for me, I use 2/3rd of my data allowance regularly, but I'm careful to avoid any big downloads when on 3G, I save that for wifi connections, unlimited data would give more use of the tablet using the phone as a hotspot11:31
bigcalmI guess I don't over-use it as I'm always at home11:32
bigcalmSo the allowance I have is enough for when I'm out11:32
popeyhttp://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1624/detail/11:33
* popey pokes the redditors11:33
popeybah11:33
popeyhttp://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/rhemh/precise_london_uk_release_party/11:34
* sagaci settled with gimp11:34
* BigRedS upvotes12:01
* MartijnVdS upboats12:08
* Daviey downvotes12:09
kirrusDaviey: just can't resist going against the crowd? ;) :P12:10
Davieyexacta-mundo :)12:11
Daviey(i didn't really)12:11
BigRedSThat ubuntu subreddit looks refreshingly free of DE arguments actually12:22
* daubers goes and complains about ALL the DE's :)12:25
BigRedShaha12:28
davmor2gord: yay the app install code landed and then I broked it12:31
davmor2Daviey: if you can't help going against the crowd why do you use Ubuntu, surely linux from scratch would be better for bucking the trend ;)12:34
kirrusno, gentoo! ;)12:34
Davieydavmor2: I just run my OS from an initramfs, i find it much more efficient12:38
czajkowskiherrrrrrro13:16
dwatkinshiya czajkowski13:16
popeyooh13:22
popeyhttp://www.netbooknews.com/47197/nokia-working-on-two-new-low-end-meego-smartphones/13:22
gebbionehi how do you install getlibs on ubuntu13:22
gebbione?13:22
=== alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g
gebbionemost links on google fail13:23
popeygebbione: what do you want getlibs for?13:25
gebbioneadobe air13:25
gebbionei just got it13:26
gebbionethe link to the old place where it was hosted is gone13:27
popeyerk13:27
gebbione??13:29
ali1234what's getlibs?13:31
ali1234is it like winetricks?13:31
gebbioneno clue ... i just need it for adobe air installation13:31
gebbionehttps://www.hipchat.com/help/page/how-do-i-install-hipchat-on-64-bit-linux13:31
DJonesali1234: Just googling, I presume its this "getlibs is a program designed to automatically solve dependencies for 32-bit programs on 64-bit installations of Ubuntu."13:32
ali1234oh13:32
ali1234so yeah13:32
ali1234so won't that completely mess up your install if you run it on a multiarch system?13:33
directhexquiet you! no logic allowed!13:34
bigcalm:D13:34
directhexusing random scripts to inject files into /usr is logical and safe!13:34
ali1234is it worth using raw disk partitions for virtualbox guests? any performance improvement?13:54
davmor2czajkowski: BOO!14:20
czajkowskidavmor2: ello ello ello ello14:22
davmor2czajkowski: downside how miffed would you be that I just put chewing gum in your hair?  upside I told you it was still wrapped and you got a free piece of gum :D14:24
czajkowskiyou know better14:25
davmor2czajkowski: that almost sounded like you were back :D14:26
popeywhen i was 5 i once wound chewing gum round my head14:26
popeywhen my parents were out14:27
arsenlol.14:27
popeyi remember my sister cutting it out of my hair14:27
brobostigonlol14:27
brobostigon:( ouch14:27
popeyround my face top to bottom, not front to back14:27
popeyso only got my fringe really14:27
popeyfun tho14:27
BigRedShaha!14:29
bigcalmpopey: oddball :)14:32
czajkowskimesser14:32
hank3three3chatI just installed 12.04 but can't find the synaptic package manager, neither can I get to settings apart from going through update manager,14:36
hank3three3chatwhere have they gone14:36
bigcalmSoftware Centre is where you add remove programs now14:36
hank3three3chatso where is that?14:37
* brobostigon installed synaptic, and uses that anyway.14:37
bigcalmPress the super key (windows key) and start typing the name of the app14:37
popeyI was 5!14:38
popeyhank3three3chat: we dont ship synaptic by default now14:39
brobostigonmaybe excusable then, we have all done stupid things.14:39
bigcalmpopey: so it's ok if Sam does it as well? ;)14:39
popeyhe's cleverer than me ☺14:39
bigcalmHaha14:39
brobostigonthats not a word.14:39
brobostigoncleverer*14:39
popeyyes, it is14:39
brobostigonit doesnt look right.14:40
hank3three3chatso can you install synaptic? Plus what repositories are available now14:40
popeydid you understand the message i was conveying?14:40
popeyif yes, it's a word :)_14:40
brobostigonyes, i understood. i dont think it will be in the dictionary.14:40
gordi am the clevermosterist14:40
popeyhank3three3chat: press Super+A (super is the windows key), then type synaptic, does it appear at the bottom?14:40
popeybrobostigon: think again14:41
brobostigonpopey: ok.14:41
bigcalmIt's in the popey dictionary14:41
popey"cleverercomparative of clev·er (Adjective)14:41
popey"14:41
brobostigonwow.14:41
popey(yes, it does look wrong)14:41
popeywhich was why I wrote it14:41
hank3three3chatyes14:41
popeyhank3three3chat: click it14:42
* brobostigon bows down to popey's english skills.14:42
popeyITYM English ;)14:42
brobostigon:)14:43
hank3three3chatpopey:did click the white box with synaptic written in there but nothing happened14:43
hank3three3chatpopey: I did get numbers in the left panel against everything, and don't know how to get rid of them14:44
popeyhank3three3chat: what version of ubuntu are you yusing?14:44
hank3three3chat12.0414:44
popeyhank3three3chat: the other alternative is to open a terminal with "CTRL+ALT+T" and then type "sudo apt-get install synaptic" in it14:45
popeyor click this:- apt://synaptic14:45
popeythat might work ;S14:45
hank3three3chatah ok, I can do that, but how do I get rid of the numbers14:45
hank3three3chatsynaptic is installing14:47
popeystab super key a few times14:47
popeyits a bug14:47
hank3three3chatah, that did it14:48
hank3three3chatthank you14:48
popeynp14:48
ali1234searching the main dash for uninstalled applications no longer works because everyone whinged about it14:49
ali1234you have to click the bookshelf thing first14:49
popeyyeah, thats why I said Super+A14:49
ali1234a14:49
ali1234er, yeah, super A does nothing here14:49
popeythats the apps lens14:50
popey"bookshelf" ☺14:50
popeySuper+A = Apps, Super+F = Files, Super+M = Music14:50
hank3three3chatrepositories, what is available for this now? do I need to install any?14:50
popeyhank3three3chat: in general, no14:50
hank3three3chatok14:50
popeyunless there's some specific app you need which we don't have packaged14:50
popeylike spotify, chrome, skype..14:50
brobostigoni think the partner repo has changed.14:50
ali1234gnuradio :P14:50
davmor2ali1234: press and hold the windows key and read the keymap if you are stuck14:50
hank3three3chatthat was what I was thinking about14:50
ali1234davmor2: nothing happens when i press and hold the windows key14:51
ali1234because i specifically disabled that ridiculous and annoying behaviour14:51
brobostigonhank3three3chat: you should be able to add it, with the software sources app.14:51
hank3three3chatok, will have a look14:51
davmor2ali1234: well that's why it doesn't work then14:51
ali1234yeah, probably14:51
hank3three3chatok, having a problem here, can't find spottily, chrome or Skype not installed14:56
hank3three3chatand can't find software sources app14:56
brobostigonhank3three3chat: software sources, is in one of synaptics menus. and for chrome, you need to add the google repo.14:57
popeyhank3three3chat: open Ubuntu Software Centre, Edit menu, Software Sources at the bottom14:58
hank3three3chatpopey: dont have that option15:00
hank3three3chatI have Ubuntu Software Sources Centre open, but no Edit Options and no Software sources15:00
hank3three3chathow do I take a picture of the desktop15:02
davmor2gord: can you try something dude,  open a terminal run a command in it like lsusb -v then open the hud and try and type something15:02
hank3three3chatthis isn't easy15:03
gorddavmor2, fine for me15:03
davmor2gord: for me it is typing the result I expect in hud in the terminal15:04
popeyhank3three3chat: printscreen takes screenshots15:04
popeydavmor2: wfm15:04
hank3three3chatpopey:not available15:04
hank3three3chatpopey: it isn't even in the Ubuntu Software Centre15:05
hank3three3chatnow what do I do15:06
davmor2gord: must of been a glitch I went to firefox and back to terminal and now it's fine odd15:06
popeyhank3three3chat: what's not available?15:07
popeyhank3three3chat: can you use longer sentences to explain exactly what the issue is?15:07
davmor2hank3three3chat: the printscreen button takes screenshots,  PrtScn15:07
popey(it's a button on your keyboard)15:07
davmor2hank3three3chat: if you can't find that then click on the ubuntu logo in the launcher and type in screenshot and select that15:08
hank3three3chatok, got screenshot15:11
hank3three3chatneed to upload to imgur then show you15:11
davmor2hank3three3chat: For skype that should be added latter today hopefully in the partners repo15:12
davmor2hank3three3chat: for chome you need to goto google or install chromium which is the free version of chrome15:14
davmor2hank3three3chat: spoify I have no idea about popey or bigcalm can possibly help you there15:14
davmor2spotify even15:14
popeyi was only mentioning spotify ass an example15:14
* brobostigon beeps the just a minute bell, and mentions repition.15:15
brobostigoni was just watching that, dead funny.15:15
hank3three3chati.imgur.com/wdhWH.png this shows the Software Centre with no Edit Menu or Sofware Sources15:16
* davmor2 accidentally shoots brobostigon with a nurf gun15:16
* brobostigon cries.15:16
brobostigonhank3three3chat: can you got to synaptic, you can open software sources from that.15:17
brobostigonget*15:17
davmor2brobostigon: stop with the synaptic already ;)15:17
hank3three3chatok, just one question though, shouldn't this be easier, I am completely lost15:17
popeyhank3three3chat: thats not the whole desktop15:17
brobostigondavmor2: eh, :)15:17
popeyonly the software center window15:17
bigcalmPut on your red shoes and dance the blues15:17
TheOpenSourcererhttp://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/03/red-hat/ This is impressive stuff. Good for FOSS all round15:18
gordoh its randomly quote bowie day?15:18
popeyhank3three3chat: the menu is at the top of the screen15:18
hank3three3chatok, give me a sec15:18
bigcalmgord: it happened to be what's playing in my headset :)15:18
bigcalmShall we have the Safety Dance?15:19
hank3three3chatok, found Software Centre, just changed Server to Main Server, see what happens15:20
hank3three3chatnow I can't remember what I was doing15:20
ali1234does spotify even work on 12.04?15:21
ali1234for me it just crashes15:21
bigcalmI'm guessing that it works for popey15:21
hank3three3chatthis is so confusing15:22
brobostigonhank3three3chat: http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ thats the google repo, for chrome, on that page, add it with that software sourcesd app.15:22
gordit does work now15:22
gordyou may need to update15:22
davmor2bigcalm: men without hats great tune15:22
bigcalm:)15:22
ali1234ah i think i just grabbed the deb rather than adding their repo?15:22
ali1234that's probably why15:22
bigcalmPossibly the case :)15:22
bigcalmThere was even an update today15:22
ali1234also, why am i not surprised that people are confused by global menu?15:23
* bigcalm whips the windows 2008 server to boot more quickly15:23
davmor2brobostigon: or just install the ubuntu version from the chrome page and it automatically adds the repo for you?15:23
brobostigondavmor2: or that, yes. both ways work.15:24
ali1234hmmmmmm15:25
ali1234software centre is a mess now15:25
davmor2ali1234: how so?15:26
ali1234the graphics are messed up15:26
ali1234there's a big white square on the right hand side15:26
ali1234and the grid lines on the apps categories are overflowing their boundary15:26
czajkowskichristel: oi lady!15:27
bigcalmAre you inferring that christel is a lady?15:28
davmor2ali1234: you on precise?  if so are you uptodate?15:28
daubersbigcalm: Everyone on the interwebs is gender neutral and should be addressed as "Oi you" or "it"15:29
* christel tickles czajkowski 15:29
ali1234there are no updates for software centre15:29
davmor2ali1234: this is what I see from a fresh install of yesterdays beta2 candidate http://ubuntuone.com/3IvIgR8yPRBThQ9hRb7Wno15:29
ali1234yeah now maximize it15:30
davmor2ali1234: Yeap exactly the same only now I see the recommended for you section at the bottom15:31
hank3three3chatI hope this gets easier for the final release15:31
czajkowskichristel: cheeky lady :)15:32
DJonesIf anybody has some Game vouchers/gift cards, just saw a tweet saying that the administrators aren't redeeming them15:32
christelsays you!15:32
davmor2christel: I wouldn't stand for that you know that czajkowski keep calling you a lady ;)15:33
czajkowskidavmor2: christel is a lady!15:34
hank3three3chatSynaptic Package manager doesnt come installed how can you find out what is in the repos15:34
christelshe is!15:34
hank3three3chatthat should have been if the …….15:34
hank3three3chatfinally got google chrome15:35
DJoneshank3three3chat: Do you have "Software Centre" (didn't see the early part of your conversation)15:35
davmor2hank3three3chat: open software center and search down the categories and then find an app,  or if you know the apps name type it in,  or type in a description of the app etc etc etc15:35
davmor2hank3three3chat: for chrome you just go to https://www.google.com/chrome/index.html and click on the download button done15:37
hank3three3chat( think this is the most difficult version we have had15:39
davmor2hank3three3chat: do you have a smart phone or tablet?15:39
ali1234davmor2: this is what i see http://imagebin.org/20556515:39
hank3three3chattablet just went back to be repaired, and my hone is a cheap one, what did I need them for?15:40
davmor2ali1234: yeah that is the older version of USC there was a css update in gtk3 that broke it you don't have the black lines anymore15:41
davmor2ali1234: did you remove a default app by any chance?15:41
ali1234yeah plenty of them15:41
davmor2hank3three3chat: okay so on the tablet how did you find apps?15:42
hank3three3chatwent into the google play, and looked for it there15:42
hank3three3chatit was already there15:43
davmor2hank3three3chat: right so think of software center the same way as google play and that might help15:43
ali1234yes, just think of ubuntu as as crippled as a typical phone/tablet OS, and you'll cease having any problems using it :)15:43
davmor2hank3three3chat: chrome can't ship in a distro by default which is why it isn't there chromium is in the repo15:44
DJonesdavmor2: Interesting you saying that, I was just thinking how similar google play and software centre were15:44
davmor2DJones: it's an easiest analogy I can think of15:45
ali1234it's not an analogy, they are exactly the same thing15:45
DJonesMakes sense15:45
davmor2ali1234: right what dose dpkg -l ubuntu-desktop say?15:46
hank3three3chatbut if that is the case google play and software centre, you wouldn't need repos for things…..15:46
ali1234ii  ubuntu-desktop 1.265          The Ubuntu desktop system15:46
ali1234hank3three3chat: chrome is in google play because chrome is made by google15:46
davmor2hank3three3chat: google play has repos it just doesn't let you access them15:46
hank3three3chatSorry for not getting this, I will keep playing with it, to see if I can get used to it…..15:47
davmor2ali1234: and what does dpkg -l software-center say please?15:47
ali1234ii  software-cente 5.1.13.1       Utility for browsing, installing, and removi15:47
popeyhank3three3chat: what is it you actually want to install from a repo?15:48
popeywhats the goal here?15:48
davmor2ali1234: the latest version is 5.1.13.215:48
davmor2ali1234: that'll be the issue dude15:48
hank3three3chatI don't know, maybe I'm just getting confused…..I have noticed something, can't get the Network sharing to work15:48
hank3three3chatneed to have a look at that15:49
popeynetwork sharing?15:49
hank3three3chatso I can share between computers, I click on Browse Networks and its not seeing the other computers I have open15:50
hank3three3chatand I can't see this one either15:50
ali1234popey: how do i get the link to a publish U1 file? you know when you right click, and the "copy link" is ghosted15:50
hank3three3chatI think I'll come back to that some other time15:50
popeyhank3three3chat: ahh, gotcha, file sharing between computers, I understand15:50
popeyali1234: it only enables once the file is synced and a link has been made15:51
hank3three3chatsorry :(15:51
popeyhank3three3chat: not a problem15:51
ali1234it says i am fully synced15:51
ali1234just noticed i've got the wobbly resizing menus now15:52
ali1234hmm every time i start the U1 client it adds this computer again15:53
ali1234so i've got it listed 3 times now15:53
davmor2ali1234: is it that or did you not delete them off each time you have done a fresh install?15:54
ali1234i only started using U1 a month ago15:54
ali1234so far it has utterly failed to work15:55
popeyI'm warming to U1 :D15:55
popeywe might make it so people can get the podcast via U115:55
ali1234actually that's not true, i signed up for an account ages ago15:55
* davmor2 loves his U115:55
ali1234i just never tried to use it until last month15:55
popeyso they get a file dropped into a folder before the rss feeds are updated15:55
davmor2popey: nice although you know that will fill up a whole lot of space in someones u1 system :D15:56
popeynope15:56
popeywe'd put just the latest 3 eps in it15:56
davmor2popey: that makes sense15:57
ali1234so instead of downloading automatically in my music player, i'll have to load up U1 client, enter my password, add my computer again, click sync, then open nautilus, then double click the file...15:58
gordpopey, only the latest three episodes? would be nice to get season shares15:58
hank3three3chatneed to go out, back later15:59
davmor2ali1234: no you just sync the folder,  to be honest it sounds like you might be having issues on your system you might want to think about a nice fresh install once beta2 is out15:59
gordali1234, i don't think the u1 share option is for everyone, but people who already use u1, then its a case of getting rb to watch the share folder15:59
ali1234except it isn't15:59
gordit is here :)15:59
ali1234because U1 a) doesn't load up when i restart the computer, b) doesn't remember my password and c) doesn't remember my synchronization settings15:59
davmor2ali1234: and yet it does here on the 3 precise machines I'm running I'm assuming on popeys and I know it works on gords16:00
popeyhave you tried rebooting?16:01
ali1234i hope you're kidding16:02
ali1234probably can only be reproduced by rebooting...16:02
davmor2popey: me yeap I shutdown reboot and all sorts :D16:02
ali1234*problem16:02
ali1234http://imagebin.org/20557016:02
ali1234every time i reboot i get a new device...16:02
popey#ubuntuone can probaly help fix that16:03
ali1234this is probably related to rhythmbox not working with U1 at all16:04
davmor2ali1234: do you have seahorse installed?16:06
ali1234yes16:06
ali1234i use it all the time16:06
ali1234to setup ssh keys16:06
davmor2ali1234: can you open seahorse and chesk if under passwords you see Ubuntu One?16:06
ali1234nope16:07
davmor2check even16:07
ali1234in "other keys" i have "ubuntu accomplishments" from when i tested that out. and guess what, that didn't work properly either...16:07
davmor2ali1234: no under passwords16:08
ali1234yeah, i just said, i don't have it16:08
davmor2ali1234: well that is where is stores it's creds so you don't need to keep logging in so I'm guess your install is slightly broken16:09
ali1234probably16:09
ali1234i already knew that though...16:09
gebbionehi guys, the create wireless network feature does not work on my ubuntu ... any troubleshooting that i could do?16:23
gordhrm, everything went well with the remote (noway) lucid -> oneiric upgrade, but at the last hurdle, gdm/lightdm aren't starting16:36
daubersAlanBell: Complex travel arrangements?17:54
davmor2AlanBell: hey dude do you want to advertise the Ubuntu Happy hour for wolvo thursday 19th and we'll make it the moon under water just so bigcalm can have 2 steak dinners that week :D17:55
AlanBelldavmor2: I think I am in London during the day tomorrow18:00
AlanBellso train out to reading, and train to North Camp, walk to Ash Vale and back to Farnham I think18:01
daubersAlanBell: Complicated as in tube to paddington then train to reading18:01
AlanBellyeah, that bit is fine18:01
daubersah, I see :)18:01
daubersYou can go direct (no changes) to Frn North I think18:02
AlanBelldavmor2: yeah, I will set up the LoCo directory entry later18:03
AlanBelldaubers: that is a long walk!18:03
davmor2AlanBell: cool18:03
daubersAlanBell: Sucker lift?18:03
daubersI mean get a lift from someone nice?18:03
AlanBellnorth camp to ash vale is not far, that will be fine18:04
jacobwevening18:13
davmor2jacobw: morning18:13
jacobwas you wish18:18
davmor2jacobw: tis always morning on the t'interweb18:19
bigcalmdavmor2: ya bugger18:20
bigcalmWill have only one steak that week :P18:20
dwatkinsanyone live in Swansea and have an old copy of the phonebook, by any chance?18:21
davmor2bigcalm: ah 2 burgers then18:21
* bigcalm contemplates sandwiches18:22
davmor2bigcalm: the chilli at the moon is good18:25
jacobwdwatkins: odd request18:33
jacobwo/ hamitron18:33
dwatkinsjacobw: yeah, friend of mine got an e-mail meant for the person18:34
hamitrono/18:34
Azelphurwoot, made £18.60 in one day playing bitcoin stock exchange \m/18:35
MartijnVdS18/day? that's not a lot18:36
MartijnVdSI mean18:36
MartijnVdSnot enough to cover ALL the expenses :)18:36
Azelphurwell, I just bought a buttload of shares and put them up for twice what I paid for them, someone already bought some18:36
Azelphurand I should be getting 10-15%/mo returns on the shares I have too18:36
Azelphurthis is fun :D18:37
MartijnVdSRuining the world economy, one £ at a time  ;)18:38
AzelphurMartijnVdS: indeed18:44
ali1234it's already ruined18:51
dwatkinsaha, my screen session wasn't using unicode, so MartijnVdS's line looked like 'Ruining the world economy, one question mark at a time" ...20:12
MartijnVdSdwatkins: ...20:12
dwatkinso.O20:16
dwatkinsis that an ellipsis, MartijnVdS? ;)20:16
MartijnVdSmaybe :)20:18
MartijnVdSFor the electronics geeks: http://www.zazzle.nl/ik_geef_slechts_negatieve_terugkoppeling_t_shirt-23541876850301011420:18
bigcalmHeh20:19
mgdmheh, nice20:20
mgdmgordonjcp: see above :)20:20
ubuntuuk-planet[Ubuntu UK Podcast] S05E03  True to His Colours - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2012/03/28/s05e03-true-to-his-colours/20:31
MartijnVdS\o/20:31
dwatkinsI like the t-shirt20:33
gordonjcpmgdm: heh21:09
bigcalmHow does one send all traffic for 1 IP address to a specific interface?21:43
ali1234oh! i know that one21:43
ali1234sudo iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp -d 87.237.38.200 --dport 26000 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 2600021:44
ali1234all traffic to  87.237.38.200:26000 instead gets redirected to localhost:2600021:45
bigcalmNo, I mean all traffic from a server to a specific IP address is sent via a specific interface (VPN in this instance)21:46
ali1234erm, with routes?21:47
ali1234route add <ip> <interface>?21:47
ali1234normally vpn client sets all that up automatically21:48
ali1234but you have to configure the server to tell the client what routes to set up21:48
ali1234which is of course dependent on which vpn server you use21:48
bigcalmAnd pinging works, thanks ali1234 :)21:51
ali1234also, that's called a split vpn21:51
bigcalmali1234: did you see my comments about T-Mobile earlier today?21:51
* directhex moos. moo!21:51
ali1234erm... no21:51
bigcalmYou asked me to let you know21:51
* directhex moos again. moo!21:52
ali1234they said you'll keep the rate?21:52
bigcalmWaiting until the sgs3 was out will not affect my current discounts. I will continue to be billed just as I am now until I cancel or renew21:52
ali1234well from experience, when i forgot to renew, i got the same basic rate but lost the discount for the period until i renewed21:53
ali1234which was only 2 weeks21:53
ali1234they bill by the day when you're out of contract apparently21:53
* bigcalm shrugs21:53
bigcalmThis is from the bloke in the T-Mobile shop21:53
ali1234so do letme know what *actually* happens :)21:53
bigcalmI might pop in on the 10th to see what's available then21:53
bigcalmHeh21:53
directhexloldroid!21:54
ali1234winbian!21:55
ali1234is ISC actually available for the SGS or are people just confusing it with the SGS2?21:55
ali1234ICS*21:55
OmNomDePlumeNope, not available.21:59
OmNomDePlumeSamsung claim there's not enough internal memory, or something.22:00
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directhexthey could repartition, but that's a user support nightmare22:23
bigcalmAre any Alans awake right now?22:28
bigcalmAny of the Farnham peeps taking the train from Farnham station to get to the RAT in July?22:28
AlanBellprobably22:29
bigcalmAh, grand22:29
bigcalmI will book the hotel then :)22:29
bigcalmTis the one you linked to22:29
bigcalmWhen I showed Hayley, she laughed after reading the info22:29
bigcalmStaying for 2 nights, so we can take Sunday at our own pace22:30
bigcalmProbably quite hungover22:30
AlanBellI am sure it is a nice place to stay22:30
Myrtti"any Alans"22:37
Myrttilol22:37
bigcalmMyrtti: do you recall which room you had?22:40
bigcalmI've just booked Decadence22:40
bigcalmAlan Bell, Alan Pope, Alan Lord22:41
bigcalmAll in Farnham22:41
Myrttibigcalm: Lady Hamilton, which was a bit cramped22:41
popey22:41
Myrttiit was interesting to try to climb into the bed and out of it in a hurry22:42
bigcalmMyrtti: yeah, we passed on that one as it looked cramped22:42
Myrttialas it was the only thing available when we booked it22:42
bigcalmIn a hurry - late mornings? :)22:42
popeynot quite sure how i am getting back from the rat22:42
bigcalmAnybody want to do anything on the Sunday?22:43
bigcalmOr will we all be nursing hang overs?22:43
popey22:43
popeyminecraft?22:43
bigcalmHaha22:43
* popey plays bedcraft22:43
bigcalmThe hotel does have free wifi22:43
bigcalmNighty night22:43
popeyoh no22:43
popeyyou misunderstand22:44
bigcalmI do indeed22:44
bigcalmAha22:44
AlanBellpopey: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668262 resolved fixed upstream apparently22:53
lubotu3Gnome bug 668262 in User Interface "low letters cut off at the bottom in "Now playing" song title" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]22:53
AlanBellit is quite easy to fix in Ubuntu now, I just got a bit confused with the patching process22:54
popeydoesnt need rb 3.4?23:00
bigcalmRackspace cloud machines are quick to reboot :)23:02
AlanBellpopey: my one line suggestion fixes it in the current RB23:07
AlanBellit needs23:07
AlanBellgtk_widget_set_size_request (GTK_WIDGET (header->priv->song),-1,25);23:07
AlanBelladded around line 254 of widgets/rb-header.c23:07
AlanBellthen it works just fine23:08
popeyis that on an ubuntu bug?23:09
AlanBellbug 81147523:09
lubotu3Launchpad bug 811475 in One Hundred Paper Cuts "Descender letters (g j p q y) get their tail cut off in current song" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81147523:09
popeybe good to get a FFe for that23:13
popeywell, we've got time23:13
AlanBellto get a new upstream or to patch the one we have?23:14
popeyto patch our rb23:15
AlanBellok, I will need to figure out how to do a patch again I guess23:16
AlanBellor even better someone else will :)23:16
AlanBellanyhow, not right now :)23:16
AlanBellnight all o/23:16
bigcalmNight AlanBell23:17
bigcalmThis routing is giving me a headache, I should sleep23:17
popeynn AlanBell and thanks23:18

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