[06:52]  * AlanBell thinks popey enjoys saying that
[07:05] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:10] <DJones> Bloody panic buying at petrol stations, 3 fuel stations this morning before I could get any
[07:17] <daubers> Are we back on to that again?
[07:19] <daubers> Must go get a bottle of oil at lunch time
[07:20] <DJones> Looks like its starting, yesterday there were queue's a mile long near work before the stations ran out of fuel, then the first two stations I went to this morning had problems, one had run out, one only had petrol but there were about 50 cars queuing for that, 3rd one had no problems and no queues and had had a delivery yesterday
[07:36] <AlanBell> what is the right way to stop a service from running on boot?
[08:05] <DJones> Why when you search amazon for micro sd 32Gb class 10, does it offer you class 4...Stupid search system
[08:08] <arsen> sorry DJones - i read "3 fuel stations before i could get any" totally different to how i think i was meant to.
[08:08] <arsen> get any FUEL. bad mind.
[08:08] <DJones> Hmmh....
[08:08]  * DJones passes arsen the mind bleach
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> DJones: Why would people be panic buying at petrol stations?
[08:10] <arsen> thanks.
[08:11] <arsen> threatened fuel tanker driver strike, MartijnVdS
[08:11] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Fuel tanker drivers have voted to go on strike, but not said when, but they're expecting it be in time for the easter weekend
[08:11] <arsen> im all for the truckers doing road blockades again to protest - that was great.
[08:21] <popey> I was in finland the last time there were big fuel strikes
[08:21] <popey> was great fun seeing all my mates emailing back and forth about which stations had fuel
[08:21] <popey> "Loads here guys!"
[08:21] <popey> "Where?"
[08:21] <popey> "Oslo"
[08:21] <BigRedS> that does sound like the sort of incentive I need to cycle to work
[08:24] <arsen> my new bike arrives today :D
[08:25] <arsen> cycling to work is one of the best things ive ever started doing.
[08:26] <BigRedS> Now I'm in the countryside I really don't like cycling
[08:28] <popey> surely your motorbike isn't expensive to run?
[08:29] <BigRedS> nah
[08:29] <BigRedS> well, it's more so than it might be
[08:29] <chrisccoulson> ah, the joys of working from home :)
[08:30] <popey> +1
[08:30] <popey> ☺
[08:30] <arsen> how come BigRedS ? i enjoy rides around the greenery :D
[08:30] <BigRedS> arsen: it's the traffic
[08:30] <BigRedS> it's all predictable and slow in London
[08:31] <BigRedS> well
[08:31] <BigRedS> slow
[08:31] <arsen> i do enjoy my commute - i tend to treat it like  sportive. twice a day
[08:34] <BigRedS> ah, I just spend most of the time I'm on a bike her feeling like I'm in the way
[08:36] <arsen> arh :/
[08:36] <arsen> it is much more common in london.
[08:37] <arsen> when i first started commuting it was me and a few bikes at most at traffic lights - these days its ~10+
[08:37] <BigRedS> ah yeah, I've heard that's happened
[08:42] <gordonjcp> I'd like to cycle to work on days like this
[08:42] <gordonjcp> the half a tonne of test gear kind of puts paid to that idea
[08:43] <bigcalm> Ok, who killed symfony-project.org ?
[08:47] <hank3three3chat> I', trying to run 12.04 using live cd or dvd but I am having problems starting it up, can somebody give me some help please?
[08:47] <hank3three3chat> How do I get it to start?
[08:48] <hank3three3chat> I go into the bios but not sure which one to choose, and it keeps bypassing the dvd and starting the installed os
[08:48] <gordonjcp> hank3three3chat: check that the CD/DVD drive is set to be the first boot device
[08:48] <hank3three3chat> which option in the bios do I choose to do that?
[08:50] <gordonjcp> depends on your biod
[08:50] <gordonjcp> *bios
[08:51] <hank3three3chat> ok, I'll try to take a picture
[08:51] <gordonjcp> lacking the means to look over your shoulder I can't tell you exactly
[08:51] <gordonjcp> not much good, I won't be able to see it
[08:51] <gordonjcp> look around for something like "Advanced", and in there look around for something like "Boot Order"
[08:51] <gordonjcp> that seems to be the most common
[08:52] <arsen> bigcalm   - gotta just leave it at work, or get smaller stuff :) i have a little 11" lappy to enable commuting.
[08:53] <hank3three3chat> ok, I got into the bios, and got boot and it gives six options, just took a pic, will try upload now, one sec
[08:53] <hank3three3chat> not good because of backlight but hope you can see it
[08:54] <bigcalm> arsen: eh?
[08:54] <gordonjcp> hank3three3chat: I haven't got web access just now
[08:55] <arsen> bigcalm  - if you're talking about having too much stuff to carry-  carry less or leave it where you work :P but i dont know what you do, so "test" gear could imply part of your job is travelling with gear?
[08:55] <arsen> i duno :)
[08:56] <bigcalm> arsen: I think you might have the wrong nick there
[08:56] <bigcalm> I work from home thus don't travel or need to take things places
[08:57] <hank3three3chat> ok, thanks anyway
[08:59] <arsen> oh - sorry, i totally meant to say all of that to gordonjcp :x
[08:59]  * arsen goes back to bed.
[09:07] <hank3three3chat> that is odd, I tried all the options, but none seem to have worked,
[09:08] <hank3three3chat> on the website it says to use a dvd and not cd because the download is too large for dvd, does that make any difference?
[09:09] <hank3three3chat> for cd, I should say
[09:11] <hank3three3chat> ok, does anybody have a help page I can be directed to then
[09:12] <gordonjcp> tbh I'd use a USB stick
[09:13] <gordonjcp> arsen: yes, it's equipment I use for my job
[09:13] <gordonjcp> arsen: it involves slightly more than a laptop
[09:14] <gordonjcp> and more along the lines of communications test sets, rolls of extremely low loss cable, signal generators, spectrum analysers etc
[09:16] <arsen> 2ah, ouch P
[09:16] <arsen> :p
[09:16] <arsen> would be amazing to see someone make an effort to take it tho
[09:16] <arsen> twin panniers, front and rear :D
[09:19] <BigRedS> we used to have a customer who was a handyman who went round on a bicycle
[09:20] <BigRedS> and not one of those newfangled cargo bikes, just a tourer with pannier racks and a lot of bodging
[09:20] <hank3three3chat> oh, think I might have been doing something wrong, I was trying to use F2 and not F12, using a different laptop, used f12 instead and its starting the dvd
[09:21] <hank3three3chat> once I am in there, and running he live dvd how do I get out of it, I don't want to install it on that laptop>
[09:24] <hank3three3chat> ok, found out it works on this laptop, how do I come out of this, and remove the dvd safely
[09:24] <gord> hank3three3chat, click in the top right, shutdown
[09:24] <bigcalm> Is there any reason to not set a field to LONGBLOB instead of MEDIUMBLOB in MySQL?
[09:24] <hank3three3chat> ok, thank you
[09:25] <gord> bigcalm, does long not imply uses more data?
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: is there any reason to use mysql? ;)
[09:25] <bigcalm> Thanks MartijnVdS :P
[09:26] <bigcalm> gord: mediumblob will store a max of 16mb so I'm wondering if it's worth wile using longblob
[09:26] <bigcalm> I don't know what the overhead is to have different field sizes
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: "I thought size didn't matter"
[09:26] <gord> seems like longblob uses 4bytes to store data instead of 3, performance might be negligible, i'd benchmark it if i were you
[09:27] <bigcalm> gord: thanks
[09:28] <bigcalm> As this will be for delivering uploaded assets rather than pre-set images, I think the performance difference will be ok
[09:28] <gord> well it really depends on the size of the database
[09:28] <gord> i think
[09:28] <gord> i mean i'm guessing ;)
[09:29] <bigcalm> :D
[09:31] <gord> wait, your storing the uploaded asset in the database?
[09:31] <bigcalm> Yes
[09:31] <bigcalm> That's the intention
[09:31] <gord> why?
[09:31] <gord> i mean, why not store the upload as a file like everything else in the world, so you can serve it up as a file
[09:32] <bigcalm> Because with multiple web heads it makes it awkward
[09:32] <popey> shared storage
[09:32] <popey> proxy
[09:33] <bigcalm> Yes, we could have a separate assets server. But we'd rather not for this project
[09:33] <gord> well when the database blows up because someone tried to upload a dvd, don't blame me :P
[09:35] <bigcalm> Maybe I'll stick to mediumblob
[09:36] <hank3three3chat> seems I might have a problem, even though on this laptop I managed to partition and install 10.10, for some reason, when I click on the boot menu, it won't start the dvd, and I know it works because I tried it on the other laptop, so the boot for dvd is not working for somereason
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> hank3three3chat: could be the laptop not being able to boot from CDs/DVDs?
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> hank3three3chat: have you looked in the BIOS, and set it to boot from CD?
[09:38] <czajkowski> new user seems lost if anyone wants to help. https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/191847
[09:38] <gord> hank3three3chat, you might have more luck using a live usb or maybe wubi which lets you install ubuntu from inside windows
[09:38] <popey> can someone install touchegg on 12.04 and reproduce 966960
[09:38] <popey> oh, private bug, never mind, will wait till it gets unprivated
[09:39] <hank3three3chat> its what I have been trying to do, with the bios getting it to even start the dvd, it wont
[09:39] <hank3three3chat> I need to get a stick,
[09:39] <hank3three3chat>  can't seem to find the ones I had
[09:39] <hank3three3chat> and I don't want to install wubi
[09:40] <hank3three3chat> and I know th dvd works because I was able to get it to start on another laptop
[09:41] <gord> yeah it seems to be a problem with your machine, problem is that all bios's are different so its hard to help
[09:42] <popey> http://www.hiren.info/pages/bios-boot-cdrom is nice
[09:50] <hank3three3chat> popey: thanks for that, but my bios look nothing like that, and its F2 or f!2 to enter
[09:50] <hank3three3chat> but I have saved that to my bookmarks
[09:50] <hank3three3chat> and this laptop is only a year old
[09:53] <gord> hrm, upgraded a machine remotely (norway) over ssh from lucid to oneiric, completely problem free, ubuntu is awesome :)
[09:55] <rml_home> does anyone know how to turn off the "change focus on hover thing?"
[09:55] <hank3three3chat> ok, for some reason, it wouldn't boot from my dvd player, but remembred I have a usb dvd player, so tried that, and its worked, but it seems it dosnt want to play the dvd
[09:56] <hank3three3chat> not good, so it seems this laptop doesn't like 12,04
[09:57] <popey> rml_home: on what ubuntu release?
[09:59] <rml_home> popey: 11.10
[10:00] <rml_home> It's probably really obvious, but I can't find how to turn it back to "focus on click"
[10:00] <hank3three3chat> how do you shut down using the keys
[10:01] <rml_home> hank3three3chat: let's not even go there :)
[10:01] <rml_home> hank3three3chat: power off.  I have no "shutdown" icon
[10:02] <popey> rml_home: running unity?
[10:03] <hank3three3chat> well, unless I just use the power button, is that an option, because its just not doing anything and I am afraid to just pull the usb drive out
[10:03] <hank3three3chat> its just a black screen
[10:03] <rml_home> popey: unfortunately yes.  I'd ditch it in a second if I could
[10:03] <popey> ☹
[10:03] <rml_home> <-- quite a N00b
[10:04] <rml_home> my Google-fu fails me on this
[10:17] <popey> rml_home: ☹
[10:18] <davmor2> morning all
[10:18] <davmor2> czajkowski: you online today rather than having you hair done :P
[10:19] <czajkowski> I am here
[10:19] <czajkowski> did you miss me
[10:19] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:20] <rml_home> popey:  I know :(
[10:24] <davmor2> czajkowski: well I threw hugs and insults at you and nothing
[10:27] <czajkowski> I was kinda busy
[10:27] <czajkowski> had a million and one jobs to do yesterday
[10:29] <hank3three3chat> going to try the alternate cd, then if that doesn't work, then I will have to try another distro
[10:29] <davmor2> czajkowski: and you're hair too
[10:29] <czajkowski> well there is that
[10:29] <czajkowski> started off with ocado being 3 hrs late which was annoying
[10:29] <czajkowski> and then they arrived an hour early today :)
[10:30] <davmor2> czajkowski: and out of those jobs which was the longest by far
[10:30] <czajkowski> hair then drs
[10:31] <davmor2> czajkowski: and no irc you should be ashamed of yourself woman ;)
[10:32] <czajkowski> nope took the day off :)
[10:32]  * daubers might need to get the office to get him a tablet :(
[10:32] <daubers> unless I can get my phone to do this stuff.. screen sizing might be an issue
[10:33] <gord> tape several phones together
[10:34] <DJones> daubers: I would recommend a transformer prime, connectbot works great for ssh/irssi, full screen & full keyboard :)
[10:34] <gord> i recommend taping several phones together
[10:34] <daubers> DJones: Input isn't so much of an issue, it'd be more navigation :)
[10:35] <daubers> gord: Might be more expensive
[10:35] <DJones> gord: You've got to write the display driver to get multiple phones taped together acting as a single screen :)
[10:35] <gord> well no, you just zoom in and move each one to a corner
[10:35] <popey> there's an app for that
[10:36] <arsen> ^_^
[10:36] <gord> you might need to purchase a special stick to move them all at once
[10:40] <arsen> [C]ZaiQQ  iStick
[10:40] <arsen> try that again, iStick
[10:42] <gord> i'll wait for the iStick pro
[10:45] <sagaci> is there something available for gnome/lxde that is green-as-grass simple to resize massive images
[10:45] <sagaci> I know you can use gimp but that's a pain
[10:49] <davmor2> daubers: if you have an android phone you can try out airdroid maybe
[10:51] <daubers> davmor2: Nah, it's more that I'm starting to get so busy I'm forgetting things, so I've written an android app to be my secretary
[10:51] <daubers> Trying to cram all the information into a quick display thing on the phone is priving difficult
[10:51] <daubers> proving even
[10:56] <gord> anyone who uses spotify know if its possible to get it to respect multimedia keys?
[11:11] <gord> need to upgrade my bank account - been meaning to do it for ages, the websites idea of help isn't the best http://gordallott.com/share/thanks.png
[11:14] <sagaci> didn't think you'd need that much more help
[11:14] <gord> its like the only option they have a little help button for ;)
[11:16] <bigcalm> Haha
[11:20] <arsen> lol.
[11:21] <bigcalm> ali1234: I can wait for the sgs3 to be out before I renew my contract and not lose anything I already have. I'll just continue to be billed at the same rate that I am right now
[11:22] <bigcalm> ali1234: This is from a T-Mobile drone worker. I drove to Telford town centre just for this information
[11:23] <DJones> bigcalm: Did they say when it was due out
[11:25] <bigcalm> DJones: nobody knows
[11:25] <bigcalm> DJones: they haven't heard from their Samsung rep. for a while. It'll be one of the things they are eager to know as well
[11:25] <bigcalm> DJones: there might be a 22nd May reveal
[11:27] <DJones> I've got no doubt it'll be out before I'm due to renew (October), I'm seriously considering cancelling my contract when it runs out and going with giffgaff for the unlimited data, its not as if my phone will be out of date/obsolete by then
[11:29] <bigcalm> I've found that I don't use the data allowance I have
[11:29] <bigcalm> Except for when VirginMedia disappear for a week
[11:30] <bigcalm> Can you re-open a closed ticket on Rackspace?
[11:31] <DJones> I use data more than the phone, even their minimum plan with 100 minutes would more than enough for me, I use 2/3rd of my data allowance regularly, but I'm careful to avoid any big downloads when on 3G, I save that for wifi connections, unlimited data would give more use of the tablet using the phone as a hotspot
[11:32] <bigcalm> I guess I don't over-use it as I'm always at home
[11:32] <bigcalm> So the allowance I have is enough for when I'm out
[11:33] <popey> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1624/detail/
[11:33]  * popey pokes the redditors
[11:33] <popey> bah
[11:34] <popey> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/rhemh/precise_london_uk_release_party/
[11:34]  * sagaci settled with gimp
[12:01]  * BigRedS upvotes
[12:08]  * MartijnVdS upboats
[12:09]  * Daviey downvotes
[12:10] <kirrus> Daviey: just can't resist going against the crowd? ;) :P
[12:11] <Daviey> exacta-mundo :)
[12:11] <Daviey> (i didn't really)
[12:22] <BigRedS> That ubuntu subreddit looks refreshingly free of DE arguments actually
[12:25]  * daubers goes and complains about ALL the DE's :)
[12:28] <BigRedS> haha
[12:31] <davmor2> gord: yay the app install code landed and then I broked it
[12:34] <davmor2> Daviey: if you can't help going against the crowd why do you use Ubuntu, surely linux from scratch would be better for bucking the trend ;)
[12:34] <kirrus> no, gentoo! ;)
[12:38] <Daviey> davmor2: I just run my OS from an initramfs, i find it much more efficient
[13:16] <czajkowski> herrrrrrro
[13:16] <dwatkins> hiya czajkowski
[13:22] <popey> ooh
[13:22] <popey> http://www.netbooknews.com/47197/nokia-working-on-two-new-low-end-meego-smartphones/
[13:22] <gebbione> hi how do you install getlibs on ubuntu
[13:22] <gebbione> ?
[13:23] <gebbione> most links on google fail
[13:25] <popey> gebbione: what do you want getlibs for?
[13:25] <gebbione> adobe air
[13:26] <gebbione> i just got it
[13:27] <gebbione> the link to the old place where it was hosted is gone
[13:27] <popey> erk
[13:29] <gebbione> ??
[13:31] <ali1234> what's getlibs?
[13:31] <ali1234> is it like winetricks?
[13:31] <gebbione> no clue ... i just need it for adobe air installation
[13:31] <gebbione> https://www.hipchat.com/help/page/how-do-i-install-hipchat-on-64-bit-linux
[13:32] <DJones> ali1234: Just googling, I presume its this "getlibs is a program designed to automatically solve dependencies for 32-bit programs on 64-bit installations of Ubuntu."
[13:32] <ali1234> oh
[13:32] <ali1234> so yeah
[13:33] <ali1234> so won't that completely mess up your install if you run it on a multiarch system?
[13:34] <directhex> quiet you! no logic allowed!
[13:34] <bigcalm> :D
[13:34] <directhex> using random scripts to inject files into /usr is logical and safe!
[13:54] <ali1234> is it worth using raw disk partitions for virtualbox guests? any performance improvement?
[14:20] <davmor2> czajkowski: BOO!
[14:22] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello ello ello ello
[14:24] <davmor2> czajkowski: downside how miffed would you be that I just put chewing gum in your hair?  upside I told you it was still wrapped and you got a free piece of gum :D
[14:25] <czajkowski> you know better
[14:26] <davmor2> czajkowski: that almost sounded like you were back :D
[14:26] <popey> when i was 5 i once wound chewing gum round my head
[14:27] <popey> when my parents were out
[14:27] <arsen> lol.
[14:27] <popey> i remember my sister cutting it out of my hair
[14:27] <brobostigon> lol
[14:27] <brobostigon> :( ouch
[14:27] <popey> round my face top to bottom, not front to back
[14:27] <popey> so only got my fringe really
[14:27] <popey> fun tho
[14:29] <BigRedS> haha!
[14:32] <bigcalm> popey: oddball :)
[14:32] <czajkowski> messer
[14:36] <hank3three3chat> I just installed 12.04 but can't find the synaptic package manager, neither can I get to settings apart from going through update manager,
[14:36] <hank3three3chat> where have they gone
[14:36] <bigcalm> Software Centre is where you add remove programs now
[14:37] <hank3three3chat> so where is that?
[14:37]  * brobostigon installed synaptic, and uses that anyway.
[14:37] <bigcalm> Press the super key (windows key) and start typing the name of the app
[14:38] <popey> I was 5!
[14:39] <popey> hank3three3chat: we dont ship synaptic by default now
[14:39] <brobostigon> maybe excusable then, we have all done stupid things.
[14:39] <bigcalm> popey: so it's ok if Sam does it as well? ;)
[14:39] <popey> he's cleverer than me ☺
[14:39] <bigcalm> Haha
[14:39] <brobostigon> thats not a word.
[14:39] <brobostigon> cleverer*
[14:39] <popey> yes, it is
[14:40] <brobostigon> it doesnt look right.
[14:40] <hank3three3chat> so can you install synaptic? Plus what repositories are available now
[14:40] <popey> did you understand the message i was conveying?
[14:40] <popey> if yes, it's a word :)_
[14:40] <brobostigon> yes, i understood. i dont think it will be in the dictionary.
[14:40] <gord> i am the clevermosterist
[14:40] <popey> hank3three3chat: press Super+A (super is the windows key), then type synaptic, does it appear at the bottom?
[14:41] <popey> brobostigon: think again
[14:41] <brobostigon> popey: ok.
[14:41] <bigcalm> It's in the popey dictionary
[14:41] <popey> "cleverercomparative of clev·er (Adjective)
[14:41] <popey> "
[14:41] <brobostigon> wow.
[14:41] <popey> (yes, it does look wrong)
[14:41] <popey> which was why I wrote it
[14:41] <hank3three3chat> yes
[14:42] <popey> hank3three3chat: click it
[14:42]  * brobostigon bows down to popey's english skills.
[14:42] <popey> ITYM English ;)
[14:43] <brobostigon> :)
[14:43] <hank3three3chat> popey:did click the white box with synaptic written in there but nothing happened
[14:44] <hank3three3chat> popey: I did get numbers in the left panel against everything, and don't know how to get rid of them
[14:44] <popey> hank3three3chat: what version of ubuntu are you yusing?
[14:44] <hank3three3chat> 12.04
[14:45] <popey> hank3three3chat: the other alternative is to open a terminal with "CTRL+ALT+T" and then type "sudo apt-get install synaptic" in it
[14:45] <popey> or click this:- apt://synaptic
[14:45] <popey> that might work ;S
[14:45] <hank3three3chat> ah ok, I can do that, but how do I get rid of the numbers
[14:47] <hank3three3chat> synaptic is installing
[14:47] <popey> stab super key a few times
[14:47] <popey> its a bug
[14:48] <hank3three3chat> ah, that did it
[14:48] <hank3three3chat> thank you
[14:48] <popey> np
[14:49] <ali1234> searching the main dash for uninstalled applications no longer works because everyone whinged about it
[14:49] <ali1234> you have to click the bookshelf thing first
[14:49] <popey> yeah, thats why I said Super+A
[14:49] <ali1234> a
[14:49] <ali1234> er, yeah, super A does nothing here
[14:50] <popey> thats the apps lens
[14:50] <popey> "bookshelf" ☺
[14:50] <popey> Super+A = Apps, Super+F = Files, Super+M = Music
[14:50] <hank3three3chat> repositories, what is available for this now? do I need to install any?
[14:50] <popey> hank3three3chat: in general, no
[14:50] <hank3three3chat> ok
[14:50] <popey> unless there's some specific app you need which we don't have packaged
[14:50] <popey> like spotify, chrome, skype..
[14:50] <brobostigon> i think the partner repo has changed.
[14:50] <ali1234> gnuradio :P
[14:50] <davmor2> ali1234: press and hold the windows key and read the keymap if you are stuck
[14:50] <hank3three3chat> that was what I was thinking about
[14:51] <ali1234> davmor2: nothing happens when i press and hold the windows key
[14:51] <ali1234> because i specifically disabled that ridiculous and annoying behaviour
[14:51] <brobostigon> hank3three3chat: you should be able to add it, with the software sources app.
[14:51] <hank3three3chat> ok, will have a look
[14:51] <davmor2> ali1234: well that's why it doesn't work then
[14:51] <ali1234> yeah, probably
[14:56] <hank3three3chat> ok, having a problem here, can't find spottily, chrome or Skype not installed
[14:56] <hank3three3chat> and can't find software sources app
[14:57] <brobostigon> hank3three3chat: software sources, is in one of synaptics menus. and for chrome, you need to add the google repo.
[14:58] <popey> hank3three3chat: open Ubuntu Software Centre, Edit menu, Software Sources at the bottom
[15:00] <hank3three3chat> popey: dont have that option
[15:00] <hank3three3chat> I have Ubuntu Software Sources Centre open, but no Edit Options and no Software sources
[15:02] <hank3three3chat> how do I take a picture of the desktop
[15:02] <davmor2> gord: can you try something dude,  open a terminal run a command in it like lsusb -v then open the hud and try and type something
[15:03] <hank3three3chat> this isn't easy
[15:03] <gord> davmor2, fine for me
[15:04] <davmor2> gord: for me it is typing the result I expect in hud in the terminal
[15:04] <popey> hank3three3chat: printscreen takes screenshots
[15:04] <popey> davmor2: wfm
[15:04] <hank3three3chat> popey:not available
[15:05] <hank3three3chat> popey: it isn't even in the Ubuntu Software Centre
[15:06] <hank3three3chat> now what do I do
[15:06] <davmor2> gord: must of been a glitch I went to firefox and back to terminal and now it's fine odd
[15:07] <popey> hank3three3chat: what's not available?
[15:07] <popey> hank3three3chat: can you use longer sentences to explain exactly what the issue is?
[15:07] <davmor2> hank3three3chat: the printscreen button takes screenshots,  PrtScn
[15:07] <popey> (it's a button on your keyboard)
[15:08] <davmor2> hank3three3chat: if you can't find that then click on the ubuntu logo in the launcher and type in screenshot and select that
[15:11] <hank3three3chat> ok, got screenshot
[15:11] <hank3three3chat> need to upload to imgur then show you
[15:12] <davmor2> hank3three3chat: For skype that should be added latter today hopefully in the partners repo
[15:14] <davmor2> hank3three3chat: for chome you need to goto google or install chromium which is the free version of chrome
[15:14] <davmor2> hank3three3chat: spoify I have no idea about popey or bigcalm can possibly help you there
[15:14] <davmor2> spotify even
[15:14] <popey> i was only mentioning spotify ass an example
[15:15]  * brobostigon beeps the just a minute bell, and mentions repition.
[15:15] <brobostigon> i was just watching that, dead funny.
[15:16] <hank3three3chat> i.imgur.com/wdhWH.png this shows the Software Centre with no Edit Menu or Sofware Sources
[15:16]  * davmor2 accidentally shoots brobostigon with a nurf gun
[15:16]  * brobostigon cries.
[15:17] <brobostigon> hank3three3chat: can you got to synaptic, you can open software sources from that.
[15:17] <brobostigon> get*
[15:17] <davmor2> brobostigon: stop with the synaptic already ;)
[15:17] <hank3three3chat> ok, just one question though, shouldn't this be easier, I am completely lost
[15:17] <popey> hank3three3chat: thats not the whole desktop
[15:17] <brobostigon> davmor2: eh, :)
[15:17] <popey> only the software center window
[15:17] <bigcalm> Put on your red shoes and dance the blues
[15:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/03/red-hat/ This is impressive stuff. Good for FOSS all round
[15:18] <gord> oh its randomly quote bowie day?
[15:18] <popey> hank3three3chat: the menu is at the top of the screen
[15:18] <hank3three3chat> ok, give me a sec
[15:18] <bigcalm> gord: it happened to be what's playing in my headset :)
[15:19] <bigcalm> Shall we have the Safety Dance?
[15:20] <hank3three3chat> ok, found Software Centre, just changed Server to Main Server, see what happens
[15:20] <hank3three3chat> now I can't remember what I was doing
[15:21] <ali1234> does spotify even work on 12.04?
[15:21] <ali1234> for me it just crashes
[15:21] <bigcalm> I'm guessing that it works for popey
[15:22] <hank3three3chat> this is so confusing
[15:22] <brobostigon> hank3three3chat: http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ thats the google repo, for chrome, on that page, add it with that software sourcesd app.
[15:22] <gord> it does work now
[15:22] <gord> you may need to update
[15:22] <davmor2> bigcalm: men without hats great tune
[15:22] <bigcalm> :)
[15:22] <ali1234> ah i think i just grabbed the deb rather than adding their repo?
[15:22] <ali1234> that's probably why
[15:22] <bigcalm> Possibly the case :)
[15:22] <bigcalm> There was even an update today
[15:23] <ali1234> also, why am i not surprised that people are confused by global menu?
[15:23]  * bigcalm whips the windows 2008 server to boot more quickly
[15:23] <davmor2> brobostigon: or just install the ubuntu version from the chrome page and it automatically adds the repo for you?
[15:24] <brobostigon> davmor2: or that, yes. both ways work.
[15:25] <ali1234> hmmmmmm
[15:25] <ali1234> software centre is a mess now
[15:26] <davmor2> ali1234: how so?
[15:26] <ali1234> the graphics are messed up
[15:26] <ali1234> there's a big white square on the right hand side
[15:26] <ali1234> and the grid lines on the apps categories are overflowing their boundary
[15:27] <czajkowski> christel: oi lady!
[15:28] <bigcalm> Are you inferring that christel is a lady?
[15:28] <davmor2> ali1234: you on precise?  if so are you uptodate?
[15:29] <daubers> bigcalm: Everyone on the interwebs is gender neutral and should be addressed as "Oi you" or "it"
[15:29]  * christel tickles czajkowski 
[15:29] <ali1234> there are no updates for software centre
[15:29] <davmor2> ali1234: this is what I see from a fresh install of yesterdays beta2 candidate http://ubuntuone.com/3IvIgR8yPRBThQ9hRb7Wno
[15:30] <ali1234> yeah now maximize it
[15:31] <davmor2> ali1234: Yeap exactly the same only now I see the recommended for you section at the bottom
[15:31] <hank3three3chat> I hope this gets easier for the final release
[15:32] <czajkowski> christel: cheeky lady :)
[15:32] <DJones> If anybody has some Game vouchers/gift cards, just saw a tweet saying that the administrators aren't redeeming them
[15:32] <christel> says you!
[15:33] <davmor2> christel: I wouldn't stand for that you know that czajkowski keep calling you a lady ;)
[15:34] <czajkowski> davmor2: christel is a lady!
[15:34] <hank3three3chat> Synaptic Package manager doesnt come installed how can you find out what is in the repos
[15:34] <christel> she is!
[15:34] <hank3three3chat> that should have been if the …….
[15:35] <hank3three3chat> finally got google chrome
[15:35] <DJones> hank3three3chat: Do you have "Software Centre" (didn't see the early part of your conversation)
[15:35] <davmor2> hank3three3chat: open software center and search down the categories and then find an app,  or if you know the apps name type it in,  or type in a description of the app etc etc etc
[15:37] <davmor2> hank3three3chat: for chrome you just go to https://www.google.com/chrome/index.html and click on the download button done
[15:39] <hank3three3chat> ( think this is the most difficult version we have had
[15:39] <davmor2> hank3three3chat: do you have a smart phone or tablet?
[15:39] <ali1234> davmor2: this is what i see http://imagebin.org/205565
[15:40] <hank3three3chat> tablet just went back to be repaired, and my hone is a cheap one, what did I need them for?
[15:41] <davmor2> ali1234: yeah that is the older version of USC there was a css update in gtk3 that broke it you don't have the black lines anymore
[15:41] <davmor2> ali1234: did you remove a default app by any chance?
[15:41] <ali1234> yeah plenty of them
[15:42] <davmor2> hank3three3chat: okay so on the tablet how did you find apps?
[15:42] <hank3three3chat> went into the google play, and looked for it there
[15:43] <hank3three3chat> it was already there
[15:43] <davmor2> hank3three3chat: right so think of software center the same way as google play and that might help
[15:43] <ali1234> yes, just think of ubuntu as as crippled as a typical phone/tablet OS, and you'll cease having any problems using it :)
[15:44] <davmor2> hank3three3chat: chrome can't ship in a distro by default which is why it isn't there chromium is in the repo
[15:44] <DJones> davmor2: Interesting you saying that, I was just thinking how similar google play and software centre were
[15:45] <davmor2> DJones: it's an easiest analogy I can think of
[15:45] <ali1234> it's not an analogy, they are exactly the same thing
[15:45] <DJones> Makes sense
[15:46] <davmor2> ali1234: right what dose dpkg -l ubuntu-desktop say?
[15:46] <hank3three3chat> but if that is the case google play and software centre, you wouldn't need repos for things…..
[15:46] <ali1234> ii  ubuntu-desktop 1.265          The Ubuntu desktop system
[15:46] <ali1234> hank3three3chat: chrome is in google play because chrome is made by google
[15:46] <davmor2> hank3three3chat: google play has repos it just doesn't let you access them
[15:47] <hank3three3chat> Sorry for not getting this, I will keep playing with it, to see if I can get used to it…..
[15:47] <davmor2> ali1234: and what does dpkg -l software-center say please?
[15:47] <ali1234> ii  software-cente 5.1.13.1       Utility for browsing, installing, and removi
[15:48] <popey> hank3three3chat: what is it you actually want to install from a repo?
[15:48] <popey> whats the goal here?
[15:48] <davmor2> ali1234: the latest version is 5.1.13.2
[15:48] <davmor2> ali1234: that'll be the issue dude
[15:48] <hank3three3chat> I don't know, maybe I'm just getting confused…..I have noticed something, can't get the Network sharing to work
[15:49] <hank3three3chat> need to have a look at that
[15:49] <popey> network sharing?
[15:50] <hank3three3chat> so I can share between computers, I click on Browse Networks and its not seeing the other computers I have open
[15:50] <hank3three3chat> and I can't see this one either
[15:50] <ali1234> popey: how do i get the link to a publish U1 file? you know when you right click, and the "copy link" is ghosted
[15:50] <hank3three3chat> I think I'll come back to that some other time
[15:50] <popey> hank3three3chat: ahh, gotcha, file sharing between computers, I understand
[15:51] <popey> ali1234: it only enables once the file is synced and a link has been made
[15:51] <hank3three3chat> sorry :(
[15:51] <popey> hank3three3chat: not a problem
[15:51] <ali1234> it says i am fully synced
[15:52] <ali1234> just noticed i've got the wobbly resizing menus now
[15:53] <ali1234> hmm every time i start the U1 client it adds this computer again
[15:53] <ali1234> so i've got it listed 3 times now
[15:54] <davmor2> ali1234: is it that or did you not delete them off each time you have done a fresh install?
[15:54] <ali1234> i only started using U1 a month ago
[15:55] <ali1234> so far it has utterly failed to work
[15:55] <popey> I'm warming to U1 :D
[15:55] <popey> we might make it so people can get the podcast via U1
[15:55] <ali1234> actually that's not true, i signed up for an account ages ago
[15:55]  * davmor2 loves his U1
[15:55] <ali1234> i just never tried to use it until last month
[15:55] <popey> so they get a file dropped into a folder before the rss feeds are updated
[15:56] <davmor2> popey: nice although you know that will fill up a whole lot of space in someones u1 system :D
[15:56] <popey> nope
[15:56] <popey> we'd put just the latest 3 eps in it
[15:57] <davmor2> popey: that makes sense
[15:58] <ali1234> so instead of downloading automatically in my music player, i'll have to load up U1 client, enter my password, add my computer again, click sync, then open nautilus, then double click the file...
[15:58] <gord> popey, only the latest three episodes? would be nice to get season shares
[15:59] <hank3three3chat> need to go out, back later
[15:59] <davmor2> ali1234: no you just sync the folder,  to be honest it sounds like you might be having issues on your system you might want to think about a nice fresh install once beta2 is out
[15:59] <gord> ali1234, i don't think the u1 share option is for everyone, but people who already use u1, then its a case of getting rb to watch the share folder
[15:59] <ali1234> except it isn't
[15:59] <gord> it is here :)
[15:59] <ali1234> because U1 a) doesn't load up when i restart the computer, b) doesn't remember my password and c) doesn't remember my synchronization settings
[16:00] <davmor2> ali1234: and yet it does here on the 3 precise machines I'm running I'm assuming on popeys and I know it works on gords
[16:01] <popey> have you tried rebooting?
[16:02] <ali1234> i hope you're kidding
[16:02] <ali1234> probably can only be reproduced by rebooting...
[16:02] <davmor2> popey: me yeap I shutdown reboot and all sorts :D
[16:02] <ali1234> *problem
[16:02] <ali1234> http://imagebin.org/205570
[16:02] <ali1234> every time i reboot i get a new device...
[16:03] <popey> #ubuntuone can probaly help fix that
[16:04] <ali1234> this is probably related to rhythmbox not working with U1 at all
[16:06] <davmor2> ali1234: do you have seahorse installed?
[16:06] <ali1234> yes
[16:06] <ali1234> i use it all the time
[16:06] <ali1234> to setup ssh keys
[16:06] <davmor2> ali1234: can you open seahorse and chesk if under passwords you see Ubuntu One?
[16:07] <ali1234> nope
[16:07] <davmor2> check even
[16:07] <ali1234> in "other keys" i have "ubuntu accomplishments" from when i tested that out. and guess what, that didn't work properly either...
[16:08] <davmor2> ali1234: no under passwords
[16:08] <ali1234> yeah, i just said, i don't have it
[16:09] <davmor2> ali1234: well that is where is stores it's creds so you don't need to keep logging in so I'm guess your install is slightly broken
[16:09] <ali1234> probably
[16:09] <ali1234> i already knew that though...
[16:23] <gebbione> hi guys, the create wireless network feature does not work on my ubuntu ... any troubleshooting that i could do?
[16:36] <gord> hrm, everything went well with the remote (noway) lucid -> oneiric upgrade, but at the last hurdle, gdm/lightdm aren't starting
[17:54] <daubers> AlanBell: Complex travel arrangements?
[17:55] <davmor2> AlanBell: hey dude do you want to advertise the Ubuntu Happy hour for wolvo thursday 19th and we'll make it the moon under water just so bigcalm can have 2 steak dinners that week :D
[18:00] <AlanBell> davmor2: I think I am in London during the day tomorrow
[18:01] <AlanBell> so train out to reading, and train to North Camp, walk to Ash Vale and back to Farnham I think
[18:01] <daubers> AlanBell: Complicated as in tube to paddington then train to reading
[18:01] <AlanBell> yeah, that bit is fine
[18:01] <daubers> ah, I see :)
[18:02] <daubers> You can go direct (no changes) to Frn North I think
[18:03] <AlanBell> davmor2: yeah, I will set up the LoCo directory entry later
[18:03] <AlanBell> daubers: that is a long walk!
[18:03] <davmor2> AlanBell: cool
[18:03] <daubers> AlanBell: Sucker lift?
[18:03] <daubers> I mean get a lift from someone nice?
[18:04] <AlanBell> north camp to ash vale is not far, that will be fine
[18:13] <jacobw> evening
[18:13] <davmor2> jacobw: morning
[18:18] <jacobw> as you wish
[18:19] <davmor2> jacobw: tis always morning on the t'interweb
[18:20] <bigcalm> davmor2: ya bugger
[18:20] <bigcalm> Will have only one steak that week :P
[18:21] <dwatkins> anyone live in Swansea and have an old copy of the phonebook, by any chance?
[18:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: ah 2 burgers then
[18:22]  * bigcalm contemplates sandwiches
[18:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: the chilli at the moon is good
[18:33] <jacobw> dwatkins: odd request
[18:33] <jacobw> o/ hamitron
[18:34] <dwatkins> jacobw: yeah, friend of mine got an e-mail meant for the person
[18:34] <hamitron> o/
[18:35] <Azelphur> woot, made £18.60 in one day playing bitcoin stock exchange \m/
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> 18/day? that's not a lot
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> I mean
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> not enough to cover ALL the expenses :)
[18:36] <Azelphur> well, I just bought a buttload of shares and put them up for twice what I paid for them, someone already bought some
[18:36] <Azelphur> and I should be getting 10-15%/mo returns on the shares I have too
[18:37] <Azelphur> this is fun :D
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> Ruining the world economy, one £ at a time  ;)
[18:44] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: indeed
[18:51] <ali1234> it's already ruined
[20:12] <dwatkins> aha, my screen session wasn't using unicode, so MartijnVdS's line looked like 'Ruining the world economy, one question mark at a time" ...
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: ...
[20:16] <dwatkins> o.O
[20:16] <dwatkins> is that an ellipsis, MartijnVdS? ;)
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> maybe :)
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> For the electronics geeks: http://www.zazzle.nl/ik_geef_slechts_negatieve_terugkoppeling_t_shirt-235418768503010114
[20:19] <bigcalm> Heh
[20:20] <mgdm> heh, nice
[20:20] <mgdm> gordonjcp: see above :)
[20:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S05E03  True to His Colours - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2012/03/28/s05e03-true-to-his-colours/
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[20:33] <dwatkins> I like the t-shirt
[21:09] <gordonjcp> mgdm: heh
[21:43] <bigcalm> How does one send all traffic for 1 IP address to a specific interface?
[21:43] <ali1234> oh! i know that one
[21:44] <ali1234> sudo iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp -d 87.237.38.200 --dport 26000 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 26000
[21:45] <ali1234> all traffic to  87.237.38.200:26000 instead gets redirected to localhost:26000
[21:46] <bigcalm> No, I mean all traffic from a server to a specific IP address is sent via a specific interface (VPN in this instance)
[21:47] <ali1234> erm, with routes?
[21:47] <ali1234> route add <ip> <interface>?
[21:48] <ali1234> normally vpn client sets all that up automatically
[21:48] <ali1234> but you have to configure the server to tell the client what routes to set up
[21:48] <ali1234> which is of course dependent on which vpn server you use
[21:51] <bigcalm> And pinging works, thanks ali1234 :)
[21:51] <ali1234> also, that's called a split vpn
[21:51] <bigcalm> ali1234: did you see my comments about T-Mobile earlier today?
[21:51]  * directhex moos. moo!
[21:51] <ali1234> erm... no
[21:51] <bigcalm> You asked me to let you know
[21:52]  * directhex moos again. moo!
[21:52] <ali1234> they said you'll keep the rate?
[21:52] <bigcalm> Waiting until the sgs3 was out will not affect my current discounts. I will continue to be billed just as I am now until I cancel or renew
[21:53] <ali1234> well from experience, when i forgot to renew, i got the same basic rate but lost the discount for the period until i renewed
[21:53] <ali1234> which was only 2 weeks
[21:53] <ali1234> they bill by the day when you're out of contract apparently
[21:53]  * bigcalm shrugs
[21:53] <bigcalm> This is from the bloke in the T-Mobile shop
[21:53] <ali1234> so do letme know what *actually* happens :)
[21:53] <bigcalm> I might pop in on the 10th to see what's available then
[21:53] <bigcalm> Heh
[21:54] <directhex> loldroid!
[21:55] <ali1234> winbian!
[21:55] <ali1234> is ISC actually available for the SGS or are people just confusing it with the SGS2?
[21:55] <ali1234> ICS*
[21:59] <OmNomDePlume> Nope, not available.
[22:00] <OmNomDePlume> Samsung claim there's not enough internal memory, or something.
[22:23] <directhex> they could repartition, but that's a user support nightmare
[22:28] <bigcalm> Are any Alans awake right now?
[22:28] <bigcalm> Any of the Farnham peeps taking the train from Farnham station to get to the RAT in July?
[22:29] <AlanBell> probably
[22:29] <bigcalm> Ah, grand
[22:29] <bigcalm> I will book the hotel then :)
[22:29] <bigcalm> Tis the one you linked to
[22:29] <bigcalm> When I showed Hayley, she laughed after reading the info
[22:30] <bigcalm> Staying for 2 nights, so we can take Sunday at our own pace
[22:30] <bigcalm> Probably quite hungover
[22:30] <AlanBell> I am sure it is a nice place to stay
[22:37] <Myrtti> "any Alans"
[22:37] <Myrtti> lol
[22:40] <bigcalm> Myrtti: do you recall which room you had?
[22:40] <bigcalm> I've just booked Decadence
[22:41] <bigcalm> Alan Bell, Alan Pope, Alan Lord
[22:41] <bigcalm> All in Farnham
[22:41] <Myrtti> bigcalm: Lady Hamilton, which was a bit cramped
[22:41] <popey> ☺
[22:42] <Myrtti> it was interesting to try to climb into the bed and out of it in a hurry
[22:42] <bigcalm> Myrtti: yeah, we passed on that one as it looked cramped
[22:42] <Myrtti> alas it was the only thing available when we booked it
[22:42] <bigcalm> In a hurry - late mornings? :)
[22:42] <popey> not quite sure how i am getting back from the rat
[22:43] <bigcalm> Anybody want to do anything on the Sunday?
[22:43] <bigcalm> Or will we all be nursing hang overs?
[22:43] <popey> ☺
[22:43] <popey> minecraft?
[22:43] <bigcalm> Haha
[22:43]  * popey plays bedcraft
[22:43] <bigcalm> The hotel does have free wifi
[22:43] <bigcalm> Nighty night
[22:43] <popey> oh no
[22:44] <popey> you misunderstand
[22:44] <bigcalm> I do indeed
[22:44] <bigcalm> Aha
[22:53] <AlanBell> popey: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668262 resolved fixed upstream apparently
[22:54] <AlanBell> it is quite easy to fix in Ubuntu now, I just got a bit confused with the patching process
[23:00] <popey> doesnt need rb 3.4?
[23:02] <bigcalm> Rackspace cloud machines are quick to reboot :)
[23:07] <AlanBell> popey: my one line suggestion fixes it in the current RB
[23:07] <AlanBell> it needs
[23:07] <AlanBell> gtk_widget_set_size_request (GTK_WIDGET (header->priv->song),-1,25);
[23:07] <AlanBell> added around line 254 of widgets/rb-header.c
[23:08] <AlanBell> then it works just fine
[23:09] <popey> is that on an ubuntu bug?
[23:09] <AlanBell> bug 811475
[23:13] <popey> be good to get a FFe for that
[23:13] <popey> well, we've got time
[23:14] <AlanBell> to get a new upstream or to patch the one we have?
[23:15] <popey> to patch our rb
[23:16] <AlanBell> ok, I will need to figure out how to do a patch again I guess
[23:16] <AlanBell> or even better someone else will :)
[23:16] <AlanBell> anyhow, not right now :)
[23:16] <AlanBell> night all o/
[23:17] <bigcalm> Night AlanBell
[23:17] <bigcalm> This routing is giving me a headache, I should sleep
[23:18] <popey> nn AlanBell and thanks