[11:13] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:13] <snap-l> Anyone else having trouble with doing an update on a natty machine
[11:14] <snap-l> seems it just sits there and hangs trying to find stuff
[11:20] <snap-l> Ah, it appears it's Google that's having trouble.
[11:20] <snap-l> Wonder why that is
[11:55] <snap-l> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920022251.do <- Thoughts?
[12:00] <brousch> have you read all of your other books?
[12:02] <rick_h> the book is on my wishlist as something to check out. 90 pages, who knows though
[12:03] <rick_h> no reviews yet I've seen
[12:04] <snap-l> brousch: No
[12:04] <snap-l> brousch: Now go away. :)
[12:04] <brousch> then i say don't buy it
[12:04] <brousch> these are my thoughts
[12:04] <snap-l> brousch: Thank you for being my Jiminy Cricket
[12:05] <brousch> until you've read all of your previous purchased books, you are banned from buying any new ones
[12:06] <snap-l> brousch: Now you're just being mean.
[12:06] <brousch> discipline!
[12:07] <rick_h> meh, that's crazy talk
[12:07] <rick_h> interests wane and flow, you need to keep reading and allow yourself to not get locked down/stop reading because you don't feel like the one thing you've got left
[12:08] <brousch> this doesn't look good http://paste.mitechie.com/show/588/
[12:15] <rick_h> I guess if you're a xubuntu user that might look sucky
[12:15] <rick_h> but if it's a real thing there's got to be more than one person behind it
[12:15] <rick_h> another leader moves on, it happens
[12:15] <snap-l> Yeah, I saw that
[12:19] <brousch> unless that new leader is an a-hole
[12:56] <jrwren> good morning
[12:57] <jrwren> when did vmware player add support for creating new VM? that is totally sweet.
[12:57] <brousch> years ago
[12:58] <brousch> how are you using vmware player? that only runs on windows and linux
[12:58] <jrwren> on windows.
[12:58] <jrwren> i used it on windows last night.
[12:58] <jrwren> i have a windows PC at home for playing Starcraft2
[13:01] <brousch> rick_h: you see this? http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyramid_appengine/
[13:02] <jrwren> I've got to try pyramid
[13:02] <jrwren> django is so tiny and simple, seems like a framework should do more for me ;)
[13:02] <brousch> that's what all the django add-ons are for
[13:03] <jrwren> yeah, I need to find which ones are good and worth using
[13:03] <brousch> http://djangopackages.com/
[13:03] <brousch> list and ratings
[13:04] <jrwren> ty
[13:04] <jrwren> brousch++
[13:05] <rick_h> brousch: yea, saw that
[13:06] <rick_h> meh, frameworks should be small/not do too much for you
[13:07] <jrwren> fuk that.
[13:07] <jrwren> i want a framework to do everything for me.
[13:07] <jrwren> it should read my mind and know exactly how and what i want.
[13:07] <jrwren> and when it can't, it should let me do it all and stay the fuck out of my way
[13:07] <rick_h> yea, that's what gets you into trouble with in inflexibility
[13:07] <rick_h> heh, but of course :)
[13:07] <jrwren> no way, not me. i don't.
[13:08] <jrwren> its all just fancy toString()... it should help me lots
[13:34] <brousch> snap-l: http://blog.makezine.com/2012/03/27/oreillymake-microcontroller-ebooks-and-videos-50-off-through-march-30/
[13:40] <snap-l> Yeah, I saw that
[13:53] <jrwren> http://www.anchor.com.au/blog/2012/03/bugfixing-the-in-kernel-megaraid_sas-driver-from-crash-to-patch/  sweet
[14:00] <rick_h> crap that like makes me realize I'm an idiot. I could never have gotten that crap figured out
[14:03] <snap-l> rick_h: It's just knowing where to look
[14:03] <snap-l> I think you could diagnose something like this if you had someone telling you what tools to use
[14:05] <jrwren> you could.
[14:05] <jrwren> it took them weeks working on it full time.
[14:05] <jrwren> i knwo I could
[14:05] <jrwren> i might have doubted myself in teh past, but after the past few months, no more.
[14:06] <snap-l> Yeah, I think that's the biggest part: getting over the self-doubt
[14:06] <snap-l> I mean, if it's between you getting a full night's sleep, or getting paged because the machine fell over, i think you'd move mountains.
[14:08] <jrwren> haha, that too.
[14:26] <snap-l> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8980735/how-can-i-verify-column-data-types-in-the-sqlalchemy-orm <- SQL Alchemy is awesome. That is all
[14:27] <snap-l> Not sure I'm going to implement it, but it's nice to know it's there.
[14:34] <jrwren> snap-l: interceptors are always nice :)
[15:35]  * snap-l is about to build a time machine to eradicate Excel from the timeline
[15:35] <rick_h> that would be a great use of said time machine
[15:36] <snap-l> I'll need some funding
[15:36] <snap-l> and a pass on the laws of physics
[15:36] <snap-l> but otherwise, it's completely do-able.
[15:37] <Milyardo> if not Excel, then Lotus? Seems just as bad IMO
[15:37] <snap-l> Milyardo: I don't receive Lotus 123 sheets on a weekly basis
[15:37] <brousch> snap-l: i do
[15:37] <snap-l> brousch: Oh that sucks
[15:37] <snap-l> Has Lotus 123 adopted ODF?
[15:38] <brousch> maybe if you kill the first spreadsheet no others will be created
[15:38] <brousch> hell no. this is lotus 1-2-3 for win3.1
[15:38] <snap-l> Hm, I need to be careful, though
[15:38] <snap-l> If I kill off Excel, then ODF may never be born
[15:38] <snap-l> tricky
[15:38] <brousch> maybe win95
[15:39] <snap-l> brousch: What the hell? Are you dealing with lawyers?
[15:39]  * snap-l has never seen a Lotus 123 sheet in the wild after 2003.
[15:39] <brousch> no, i have one user with 2 decades invested in specialised lotus spreadsheets
[15:39] <snap-l> brousch: You have my permission to use the time machine to alter his timeline
[15:40] <jjesse> what????  20 years of lotus spreadsheets?
[15:40] <jjesse> amazing
[15:40] <snap-l> I mean, I can see using some newer Lotus bastardization of Open Office
[15:40] <snap-l> but 1-2-3 is just... blech
[15:42] <brousch> yeah, the only thing that can extract info from it is excel
[15:42] <snap-l> and that can't be good either
[15:43] <brousch> it even runs on win7
[15:44] <snap-l> 123, or Excel's import of 123?
[15:46] <brousch> Lotus 1-2-3 Release 5 for Windows
[15:47] <brousch> i pulled the floppy disks out to get the version right. the rubberband around them disintigrated
[15:51] <jrwren> ODF can DIAF
[15:51] <jrwren> XLSX for life yo.
[15:52] <Milyardo> XLSX can DAIF
[15:53] <Milyardo> LaTeX for life yo.
[15:53] <snap-l> jrwren: trollbait.
[15:55] <jrwren> i do love LaTeX
[15:55] <jrwren> snap-l: i'm keeping up with you :)
[15:55] <snap-l> duly noted.
[15:56] <jrwren> i do wish freeform spreadsheet wasn't as popular
[15:56] <jrwren> and that more programmed sheets like Improv would have caught on.
[15:57] <Milyardo> popular? Shouldn't be allowed.
[15:58] <jrwren> i remember getting Improv within minutes of first using it. then traditional spreadsheets rottd my brain
[15:58] <jrwren> now I can't figure out numbers ;(
[16:00] <snap-l> Once visicalc hit the scene, I think we were all doomed.
[16:00] <snap-l> and once people equated Excel with databases, that was the end of it.
[16:01] <snap-l> "Look, it has rws and columns like you programming geeks want. Now leave me alone while I crunch my data"
[16:05] <Milyardo> If not for spreadsheets, maybe we'd RDBMS's wouldn't have as prevelent as they are now
[16:05] <brousch> snap-l: it is scary
[16:05] <Milyardo> maybe we'd actually use object oriented ones instead
[16:06] <snap-l> Milyardo: you're kidding yourself. :)
[16:07] <brousch> zope is still alive
[16:07] <Milyardo> Me:"You know LDAP is a database too". Colleague: "False. You can't use SQL on it."
[16:07] <Milyardo>  /facepalm
[16:08] <snap-l> Milyardo: Had they not created spreadsheets, we'd be buried in little one-off BASIC programs with DATA statements trying hard to perform SUM functions
[16:08] <snap-l> Milyardo: Exactly.
[16:18] <jrwren> CSV is a database too
[16:18] <jrwren> spreadsheets might be databases too, depending on what is in them.
[16:19] <greg-g> define "database"
[16:19] <snap-l> the base of which data is launched
[16:19] <jrwren> text book definition.
[16:19] <jrwren> launched?
[16:19] <greg-g> snap-l: thanks. So based on that, I think you'll all full of it
[16:19] <jrwren> define launched in that context :)
[16:20] <greg-g> :)
[16:20] <jrwren> I'll go with Elmasri and Navathe's definition
[16:24] <jrwren> i looked it up and here is the def.
[16:24] <jrwren> Collection of related data
[16:24] <jrwren> so we are not full of it.
[16:24] <jrwren> we are pedants
[16:25] <jrwren> if you mean relational database system, then say so
[16:25] <snap-l> Define data, please
[16:25] <snap-l> I have an hour to kill
[16:27] <jrwren> its a great question.
[16:27] <jrwren> i studied it very breifly
[16:28] <jrwren> http://jmcsweeney.co.uk/computing/m150/differences.php
[16:28] <jrwren> dictionary def for data is fine too
[16:40] <krondor> man I feel like it's been ages since I've been on irc
[16:41] <snap-l> It has been
[16:41] <snap-l> CHC tonight, early edition.
[16:43] <rick_h> woot!
[16:43] <snap-l> Also, of note: October 31st is CHC early edition. :)
[16:44] <snap-l> I think it'll be starting a little later
[16:45] <krondor> wish I could, it's Emily's birthday today though.
[16:45] <rick_h> happy birthday!
[16:45] <snap-l> What could be better than hanging out with a bunch of guys at a coffeeshop for your birthday?
[16:46] <krondor> hah, something tells me that selling point might not work as well on her as on me.
[16:46] <krondor> I do need to go next week because I need to brainwash a few people to help me test a few juju things.
[17:21] <Milyardo> How can XCode even be considered functional, what is this
[17:22] <Milyardo> How more difficult can it be to include a static library from another project on the same workspace
[17:22] <Milyardo> that's like the simplest possible thing an IDE can do
[17:23] <jrwren> iOS dev or MacOSX dev ?
[17:24] <jrwren> i know how to include a static lib, but I couldn't describe it to you.
[17:24] <Milyardo> iOS as a target for this particular project
[17:36] <greg-g> seriously, how do I get rid of this ugly black bar at the top of my gcalendar?
[17:37] <rick_h> http://code.google.com/p/minimalist-google-calendar/
[17:37] <greg-g> ok, for Fx not Chrome ;)
[17:37] <rick_h> :)
[17:39] <greg-g> also seriously, Fx nightly is awesome lately. Especially with the new pdf.js integration
[17:39] <rick_h> meh, pdf reader built in has been nice in chrome for a while.
[17:39] <brousch> greg-g: embrace the black bar. it is your friend
[17:39] <rick_h> but yea, I do like the new firefox and looking forward to helping Blazeix get the extension going/tested so I can use it more
[17:39] <greg-g> rick_h: doesn't that just use gdocs as the backend?
[17:39] <rick_h> greg-g: no, it's got a native pdf reader in chrome
[17:40] <greg-g> oh, I tohught it just overlayed the gdocs stuff. I like in-browser/native/not using other's servers to read simple pdfs better, so that's cool.
[17:40] <greg-g> brousch: :P
[17:40] <rick_h> yea, so I actually use chrome as my pdf reader on my system usually
[17:40] <greg-g> huh
[17:40] <rick_h> google-chrome xx.pdf
[17:41] <rick_h> vs evince/xpdf
[17:41] <snap-l> Blergh
[17:41] <snap-l> evince is good for 99% of the PDFs om my machine
[17:41] <snap-l> there's only a handful that it really can't handle
[17:42] <greg-g> yeah, I don't mind evince. But for docs I want to be both digital-only and highlighted, I use Mendeley (I know I know, proprietary)
[17:42] <rick_h> my issues with evince is the gnome requirements/hooks in teh backend
[17:42] <rick_h> chrome print works better for me and it's already opened so faster
[17:42] <snap-l> greg-g: You have vastly different needs for PDFs tham most of us
[17:43] <snap-l> It was apparent when I read your eBook article that you're looking to replace journals / textbooks and not just tech books
[17:43] <snap-l> Which, yeah, you're going to want something other than evince. ;)
[17:44] <snap-l> rick_h: Bah. :)
[17:45] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, I want to mark the shit up of my text-based information conveyers :)
[17:45] <greg-g> I do "close readings" or whatever the hip english students say nowadays
[17:45] <snap-l> What the hell is that?
[17:46] <greg-g> interacting with the text. marking it up, underlining, making notes, circling, etc etc
[17:46] <snap-l> greg-g: So, doodling.
[17:46] <rick_h> heh, and this is why he calls it 'close reading'
[17:46] <rick_h> sounds much better than 'doodling'
[17:50] <brousch> i thought i saw some apps like that for android
[17:50] <brousch> you can read and mark-up a pdf, search and such
[17:53] <jrwren> i <3 dead trees
[17:53] <jrwren> what greg-g is really saying is that he is into scrapbooking
[17:53] <brousch> the only good tree is a dead tree!
[17:53] <jrwren> pasting doilies onto pages.
[18:01] <greg-g> re: "so doodling" (sorry, Rowan/Carrie came in the room) no. instead of writing up notes in a separate document like "this quote on page whatever is good" or "I disagree with this point he makes here because..." I put it in the actual book so it is contextualized.
[18:01] <greg-g> haha, re scrapbooking
[18:09] <rick_h> ugh, I really want to get on the bike, but 30+mph wind gusts...trying to convince me not to go
[18:10] <jrwren> rick_h: and its COLD ain't it?
[18:10] <nullspace> whoose going to penguicon? and why?
[18:10] <rick_h> jrwren: close to 60, not bad
[18:10] <jrwren> oh, not bad at all
[18:10] <rick_h> I'm going because I'm talking and because my wife is heading out of town with the boy nullspace
[18:11] <rick_h> jrwren: but I never enjoy riding in the wind...but haven't been out due to my post-pycon flu and want to try out the clip in shoes
[18:12] <nullspace> rick_h: I don't understand why your paying to talk about something... don't you usually get in free if your adding value to the concvention
[18:12] <rick_h> nullspace: well it all depends. I've seen it both ways.
[18:13] <rick_h> I'm paying to speak because I like to complain on the tech track so I can yell more about how it sucks if I'm in it :)
[18:13] <nullspace> I tried the staff route to complain, that didn't work at all
[18:13] <rick_h> well I figure if I don't try to help I can't whine, so now I reserve my whining privelages
[18:14] <greg-g> All Whines Reserved
[18:14] <rick_h> exactly!
[18:14] <greg-g> :)
[18:14] <rick_h> and snap-l can't fuss at me
[18:14] <greg-g> I love that
[18:14] <nullspace> I prefer a reserve wine
[18:14] <greg-g> I might have to use that somewhere
[18:15] <greg-g> hrmm, now to try to figure out why my living room outlets aren't working :/ (yes, already tried the breakers)
[18:15] <rick_h> oops
[18:15] <rick_h> one of them have a gfi outlet?
[18:15] <nullspace> I can understand why the rest of the tracks would require the speaker to pay because it's a venue for them to hock their wares and books they wrote
[18:15] <greg-g> yeah, after that I'm kind of stuck, they aren't those fancy outlet-with-breaker-in-them things
[18:15] <rick_h> doh
[18:16] <rick_h> yea, I've been caught by a stray outlet on the loop that had the break in there
[18:16] <rick_h> spare bathroom on living room and the bathroom went taking the living room with it
[18:17] <nullspace> I had somethign similar when the outlet behind the fridge was a gfi in a line of gfis, the gfi behind the fridge tripped, major pain in the ass
[18:17] <greg-g> hrmmm
[18:17] <greg-g> lemme go check other rooms
[18:17] <nullspace> one gfi per line adn it shoudl be the first outlet in the line from the breaker
[18:18] <nullspace> any more and it's not up to code
[18:18] <jrwren> rick_h: i'm with you. wind SUCKS
[18:18] <jrwren> well, tailwind is nice.
[18:19] <jrwren> but you never get tailwind the whole ride.
[18:19] <rick_h> yea, but I'll be doing a nice square with it
[18:19] <nullspace> rick_h: I think what might change their mind is if they can't fill out the tech track because no one wants to pay to do what equates to work
[18:20] <rick_h> nullspace: yea, I'll be plugging bookie and I've got ribbons to hand out to ask for invites and such
[18:20] <rick_h> so I'll be doing some pub I guess, and it's not that $$
[18:20] <rick_h> and if I suck, then I don't feel bad :P
[18:21] <nullspace> ha
[18:21] <snap-l> nullspace: I've paid to go because I like Penguicon, and I want it to continue.
[18:21] <snap-l> And yes, I'm speaking
[18:22] <snap-l> Doing at least three events at Penguicon, and not worrying about asking for the reduced rate.
[18:22] <nullspace> I like the promise of penguicon, btu the inner circle party of the staff and their draconian methods have got to go
[18:22] <jrwren> its a volonteer conference, yow ill get out of it what you pu tinto it.
[18:22] <rick_h> bingo
[18:22] <jrwren> its not like people are making $$$ running the conference. if they were, then i would have a different attitude.
[18:22] <greg-g> well crap, can't find anything
[18:22] <snap-l> nullspace: I don't know the particulars of the conference insies, nor do I care to
[18:23] <rick_h> greg-g: hmm, then might be in for some fun
[18:23] <snap-l> Whatever beef you have with them is between you and them.
[18:23] <nullspace> snap-l: you got a taste of it one year, completely unorganized
[18:23] <snap-l> Yes, and I still return
[18:23] <snap-l> because frankly it's not worth holding a grudge
[18:24] <snap-l> and the conference itself is more important to me for what I get out of it
[18:25] <krondor> it's had good years and bad years for sure.
[18:25] <nullspace> I don't seem to learn much except one-on-one with my peers
[18:25] <nullspace> you guys are what make it awesome
[18:25] <rick_h> well come to my talk and I'll try to learn you some JS :)
[18:25] <nullspace> hey now
[18:25] <jrwren> hallway talks rule :)
[18:26] <krondor> I still haven't registered a talk this year, but I did buy my pass.
[18:26] <nullspace> that's uncalled for
[18:26] <rick_h> I've got to start building my audience early
[18:26] <krondor> Last year I got the reduced rate w/ 3 talks but that was too much I think.
[18:26] <snap-l> And we have the release party in a separate room, which should be awesome
[18:27] <snap-l> pro-rated beer
[18:27] <rick_h> what? I'm just saying that you can learn outside of one-one by attending my talk. I didn't get into anything else.
[18:27] <rick_h> snap-l: oh that's cool. the whole release party in the bar thing hasn't been the best the last two years
[18:27] <nullspace> rick_h: count me in
[18:27] <nullspace> we can talk carpentry if we run of things to talk about
[18:29] <nullspace> I think I want to give a tal or two, need to hash it out a bit more, when does the CFP end
[18:29] <jrwren> i think it is the weekend of my daughters bday.
[18:29] <jrwren> or my dads.
[18:29] <jrwren> or something :(
[18:29] <krondor> hrmm are there any other tech centric cons in the MI area other than grcon (or notacon I guess)?
[18:29] <rick_h> jrwren: pcon is?
[18:29] <snap-l> nullspace: They're working on the schedule now, so the sooner the better.
[18:29] <jrwren> krondor: TONS
[18:29] <rick_h> well there was detroit dev days last year, and the detroit mobile dev days coming up
[18:29] <jrwren> what rick_h said
[18:29] <rick_h> most of the big things are in OH
[18:30] <jrwren> in the .NET world there are lots of days of .net
[18:30] <rick_h> but yea, there's a bunch of things around, you just have to watch for them
[18:30] <brousch> krondor: grrcon is supposedly a super-awesome security conference
[18:30] <nullspace> krondor: bsides detroit
[18:31] <krondor> ooh I'm adding all these :)  brousch: Yeah I heard it was great I plan to  go this year.
[18:31] <brousch> i'm on the fence
[18:31] <brousch> always am when it costs me money ;)
[18:31] <krondor> I heard a bunch of vendors walked out because they were mad it was all college kids and not sales leads.  That makes it even better IMO
[18:31] <nullspace> still working on a venue for bsides
[18:32] <rick_h> pyohio is my next big thing, well I guess penguicon, but hardly counting as my 'big' event
[18:32] <krondor> college kids == future sales leads (short sighted)
[18:32] <nullspace> derbycon is my big thing, don't think I could get a talk accepted to taht
[18:32] <nullspace> that
[18:33] <krondor> derbycon sounded nice too, but if I'm making a trek might as well try 20th anniversary of defcon.
[18:33] <brousch> nullspace: is that centered around hats or crashing junk cars?
[18:34] <brousch> krondor: grrcon videos are online, so you can make up your own mind http://www.youtube.com/user/GrrCON
[18:35] <krondor> I think this year I might  try to do a room party at pcon for rooting.  Last year's panel on it was awkward.
[18:40] <nullspace> brousch: it's an infosec con organized by well know infosec leaders
[18:41] <nullspace> mitnick was there last year and gave an awesome talk with dave kenndy ( CTO of Diebold)
[18:42] <brousch> nullspace: mitnick is speaking at grrcon this year
[18:43] <rick_h> love this article, bring your thoughts to CHC while I scream "AMEN!" http://www.toolness.com/wp/2012/03/coffee-machines-and-community/
[18:47] <snap-l> Just get a Keurig. :)
[18:49] <rick_h> bah!
[18:49] <nullspace> snap-l: I'm curious about those, what model and what's your experience?
[18:49] <snap-l> nullspace: At work they have this industrial-grade machine
[18:50] <snap-l> Has a LCD display and everything. Hooks to the water line
[18:50] <snap-l> Certain coffee brands are much better than others
[18:50] <snap-l> I like the Green Mountain Dark Magic
[18:50] <nullspace> our issue at work is that it connects to the water line, wixom's water sucks
[18:50] <snap-l> nullspace: You might want to get a water filter
[18:51] <snap-l> or a softener or use a brita pitcher
[18:51] <snap-l> I mean, if your water is crap, you're going to get crap coffee
[18:51] <snap-l> But, in any event, I'm pretty pleased with it
[18:51] <snap-l> But I think it's a combo of decent coffee and a decent machine
[18:51] <rick_h> ugh, never was happy with the flavor, and seems wasteful, and completely misses the point of the article :P
[18:52] <snap-l> I wouldn't replace my home mill & brew with it
[18:52] <snap-l> rick_h: I'm kiding. :)
[18:52] <nullspace> snap-l: thus some colleges and myself bring in water, our own coffee and use a electric kettle and french press. the results are excellent
[18:52] <snap-l> and yes, it is wasteful
[18:53] <snap-l> But, compared with the coffee of indeterminate origin in the kitchen, or the rocket fuel that gets brewed behind me, I'll settle for it.
[18:53] <snap-l> I like coffee with a little bite, not coffee that latches onto your tongue and won't let go
[18:53] <krondor> snap-l:  yeah, I made fun of Emily when she got ours, but honestly the Keurig is pretty nice.
[18:54] <snap-l> They literally use espresso machines to make a cup of coffee
[18:54] <snap-l> It'll never be the best cup of joe, but it's a good, consistent cuppa joe.
[18:54] <nullspace> mmmm black-eye, my fav
[18:55] <brousch> careful with that stuff. i used to drink it, then i started getting angina from caffeine. now i'm decaf
[18:55] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, I know. I drink way too much of that stuff at work
[18:55] <brousch> was drinking a super biggby redeye every morning. 24oz of coffee + 3 shots of espresso
[18:56] <snap-l> brousch: OK, that's asking for trouble
[18:56] <nullspace> I suppose if my esspresso machien broken down my instinct would be to take the thing apart and fix it, while I'm there I'll likely make design changes
[18:56] <snap-l> nullspace: because there's nothing like creating an espresso-grenade.
[18:57] <nullspace> brousch: I drink at most three cups of coffee, unless it's crappy watery coffee, then there is no telling
[18:57] <brousch> now i drink a whole pot every day, but it's decaf
[19:13] <brousch> greg-g: i think this was the pdf reading/markup app i looked at before http://goo.gl/rR1rT
[19:14] <brousch> here's another https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.qiqqa.android.qiqqa
[19:36] <greg-g> brousch: cool. thanks
[19:55] <brousch> snap-l: have you heard of ccmixter?
[20:00] <snap-l> I have
[20:00] <snap-l> haven't quite found a place for it yet, though
[20:01] <snap-l> Though they've gotten bigger since I last looked. :)
[20:07] <brousch> if you'd like your brain broken https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLrnkK2YEcE
[20:28] <brousch> snap-l: i always end up with months worth of music from your instrumentalcasts
[20:30] <snap-l> That's awesome.
[20:32] <brousch> except then i become many episodes behind