[09:32] <JonathanD> hi
[09:42] <rmg51> hi
[12:28] <InHisName> Morning wed, missed tues and feeling a trifle bette
[15:52] <MobileTurkey> jedijf: hey I saw an old friend on the train
[15:52] <MobileTurkey> then he mentions hive76
[15:52] <MobileTurkey> and that he's interested in playing with the tomahawk err 3d printer.
[15:52] <MobileTurkey> how can I hook him up?
[15:52] <MobileTurkey> with the group
[15:53] <JonathanD> MobileTurkey: tonight is open house.
[15:53] <MobileTurkey> wow cool.
[15:54] <MobileTurkey> JonathanD: any links?
[15:54] <JonathanD> Come to open house.
[15:54] <JonathanD> http://www.hive76.org/calander events.
[15:54] <PennBot> Title: Calendar (at www.hive76.org)
[16:06] <InHisName> Good show, MobileTurkey
[16:06] <MobileTurkey> what?
[16:08] <JonathanD> MobileTurkey: what sort of links are you looking for?
[16:08] <MobileTurkey> that was good enough
[16:08] <MobileTurkey> :-)
[16:08] <JonathanD> Ok :)
[16:08] <MobileTurkey> he just needed some basic info
[16:08] <JonathanD> MobileTurkey: you should go to open house.
[16:12] <MobileTurkey> I can't. Unfortunately I have more than enough annoying relatives coming to town
[16:51] <JonathanD> erm.
[16:52] <adom> i think *maybe* there's a problem with his connection?
[16:55] <JonathanD> That there may be
[16:59] <passstab> hi n2diy
[16:59] <passstab> is funny this kinda thing is taken for granted on bigger channels
[17:03] <JonathanD> passstab: taken for granted in what way?
[17:03] <JonathanD> Most large channels will banforward :)
[17:03] <passstab> never discussed
[17:03] <passstab> people are always comming and going
[17:04] <n2diy> hi passstab, and JonathanD
[17:04] <JonathanD> n2diy: are you unbroken? :)
[17:04] <passstab> he talks!!
[17:05] <adom> IT'S ALIVE!
[17:05] <n2diy> no, are you the one the ratted on me? :)
[17:06] <n2diy> I'm trying to get xchat-gnome to auto login with my freenode pw, but it isn't working. I had to keep unplugging my cat5 cable, because xchat-gnome was crashing when the auto connect failed.
[17:07] <JonathanD> n2diy: I'm not :)
[17:07] <JonathanD> I didn't, I mean.
[17:07] <JonathanD> ratted you out to who? :)
[17:07] <passstab> xchat is crap
[17:08]  * passstab is useing it and should shut up
[17:08] <n2diy> JonathanD, I was getting auto connected to #fix_your_connection, some channel was complaining about my connects and disconnects, but it wouldn't tell me which one!?
[17:09] <JonathanD> n2diy: that happens. See which channel you cna't join :)
[17:09] <JonathanD> if you have auto-join, the failed one should show up in your status window
[17:09] <n2diy> The only reason I'm using it is it is the one I'm familiar with, tried xchat, and didn't care for it.
[17:10] <passstab> is xchat diffrent from xchat gnome?
[17:12] <n2diy> passstab, actually, its xchat IRC that came pre-installed with Xubuntu, and I loaded xchat-gnome.
[17:12] <n2diy> yes
[17:12] <passstab> Xubuntu!!?!?!?
[17:12] <passstab> WHY????
[17:14] <n2diy> passstab, because years ago I was trying to shoe horn linux into a box with 128m of ram, with a 4g hard drive.
[17:14] <passstab> Xubuntu is slower then gnome 2
[17:15] <passstab> http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7520/
[17:15] <PennBot> Title: Lubuntu: Floats Like a Butterfly, Stings Like a Bee | Linux Magazine (at www.linux-mag.com)
[17:15] <n2diy> passstab, yes, I recently read there is no performance difference anymore, didn't know it was slower now.
[17:16] <passstab> if you start with a base install
[17:16] <n2diy> I'm thinking of changing, 11.10 is a disaster IMO.
[17:16] <passstab> and and get xfce4/xfce4goodies
[17:17] <passstab> THEN you will have a faster system
[17:17] <passstab> xubuntu is a lousy implementation
[17:18] <n2diy> passstab, I'll have to dust off the test box and give it a try.
[17:18] <passstab> i'm using debian testing personally
[17:19] <n2diy> I have no complaints with Xubuntu, and I have a couple of boxes in the wild that are doing ok. But one is really munged up, I think the user tried an upgrade. He thinks he knows alot about computers, but all he's ever done is install Windows.
[17:20] <passstab> lol that sux
[17:21] <n2diy> passstab, yep, his box was working fine for a year, and now its afu, can't figure out what is going on over the phone, so I need to get in front of the box. That was supposed to happen this morning, but he never called.
[17:22] <passstab> ALWAYS have two computers ready
[17:22] <passstab> :)
[17:23] <n2diy> passstab, I do! But he doesn't. He threw one away a while back, could have strangled him. (we're still friends)
[17:24] <passstab> lol i wouldn't ask what text editor HE uses
[17:24] <n2diy> I haven't bought any new hardware or software since 2000.
[17:24] <passstab> RPI?
[17:25] <passstab> i'm pritty good in that respect
[17:25] <n2diy> passstab, no, you wouldn't want to ask him that, because I don't think he could tell you!
[17:25] <passstab> but i need a RPI :D
[17:25] <n2diy> passstab, what's RPI?
[17:25] <passstab> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
[17:25] <PennBot> Title: Raspberry Pi | An ARM GNU/Linux box for $25. Take a byte! (at www.raspberrypi.org)
[17:25] <MobileTurkey> yeah...
[17:26] <MobileTurkey> we're all on the order list....
[17:26] <passstab> hi PennBot
[17:26] <MobileTurkey> passstab: I say all ubuntu implementations are lousey
[17:26]  * passstab dosn't say hi to MobileTurkey 
[17:26]  * passstab is rude
[17:27] <MobileTurkey> actually sorry, all "catch-all" implementations are less effecient
[17:27] <passstab> ??
[17:27] <passstab> what is catch-all?
[17:27] <MobileTurkey> basically Xubuntu works for _everyone_ therefore more crap is loaded than your customized, very specific base install and addition of a few utilities _you_ need.
[17:27] <MobileTurkey> one size fits all
[17:27] <passstab> right
[17:28] <MobileTurkey> xubuntu is designed to "just work" for everything, so they throw a lot of stuff that any user in any circumstance may need.
[17:28] <passstab> it IS what some people are looking for
[17:28] <MobileTurkey> which is good in some sense, when you are looking for speed it is not.
[17:28] <MobileTurkey> right
[17:28] <jedijf> wow, finally
[17:28] <MobileTurkey> jedijf: what?
[17:28] <jedijf> you get it
[17:28] <MobileTurkey> :P
[17:28] <jedijf> don't always shoot it down, just do for yourself your way
[17:29] <passstab> :P
[17:29] <MobileTurkey> that's why we use funroll loops with -O7 with our overclocked gentoo boxes...
[17:29] <passstab> but i think ubuntu isn't the way to go
[17:29] <jedijf> that's why i am always typing, for those that it is /appropriate/ for, alternate install cli only and guild up <-- still minority
[17:29] <MobileTurkey> it's the way to go for some people.
[17:29] <jedijf> *build
[17:29] <n2diy> He, I did three laptop installs with Xubuntu, with the "customers" looking over my shoulder, and it just worked, I was amazed. Those boxes are still running, and the users love them.
[17:29] <n2diy> Hey
[17:29] <MobileTurkey> passstab: certain users do like it.
[17:29] <MobileTurkey> n2diy: never do installs in front of users...
[17:30] <MobileTurkey> i swear its just a asking for something to go wrong...
[17:30] <n2diy> MobileTurkey, they were buying beers.
[17:30] <passstab> it's like showing how meat is made
[17:30] <MobileTurkey> ah
[17:30] <MobileTurkey> pink slime buntu
[17:30] <MobileTurkey> ?
[17:30] <passstab> lol
[17:30] <MobileTurkey> http://144.118.94.146/mathimages/node/5
[17:30] <PennBot> Title: Platonic Solids | The Math Images Project (at 144.118.94.146)
[17:30] <MobileTurkey> can everyone look at that image down the page and tell me if they like the box design around it?
[17:31] <passstab> love pink
[17:31] <passstab> slime
[17:31] <MobileTurkey> "here are the different platonic solids"
[17:32] <passstab> things like this
[17:32] <passstab> http://dissociatedpress.net/2012/03/27/ubuntu-were-not-linux/
[17:32] <passstab> and the contributer agreement
[17:33] <n2diy> MobileTurkey, looks ok, and like a lot of work.
[17:33] <MobileTurkey> n2diy: heh
[17:33] <MobileTurkey> passstab: yes the website doesnt mention it's linux
[17:33] <MobileTurkey> I was talking to some noob running unity he was like " ilove ubuntu omg." i was like yeah linux is great... "OH MY GOD UBUNTU IS WAY BETTER LINUX SUCKS BALH BALAAHAHALH"...
[17:33] <MobileTurkey> sigh...
[17:34] <MobileTurkey> I don't remember the exact words but i just wanted to crawl in a hole
[17:34] <passstab> wow
[17:34] <passstab> ubuntu is better then linux :(
[17:36] <n2diy> This doesn't surprise me. Vendor lock anyone?
[17:36] <MobileTurkey> there are spies among us
[17:37] <passstab> and mark calls debian part of the ubuntu ecosystem
[17:37] <passstab> THE NERV!!
[17:37] <MobileTurkey> ..................
[17:37] <MobileTurkey> -_-
[17:38] <passstab>   /_\
[17:38] <passstab>      '
[17:39] <n2diy> Of course, something that is too good won't last. Now that I have a small herd of boxes in the wild, Ubuntu is doing this crap, and making disaster like 11.10. I'm waiting to look at 12.04, and I'm looking back at Debian again.
[17:40] <passstab> deb deb debian !!!
[17:40] <MobileTurkey> though isn't 12.04 supposedly a 5 year release?
[17:40] <jedijf> if crap is desktop environment, blame yourself....it's easy to switch
[17:40] <MobileTurkey> lts?
[17:40] <MobileTurkey> yeah use tde...
[17:40] <MobileTurkey> :p
[17:41] <jedijf> and after 12.04 hits and all the unity love follows, what will everyone bash?
[17:42] <jedijf> the love is already starting with the beta
[17:42] <n2diy> jedijf, yes, and I did do the switch to gnome-classic, but I didn't want do go through that over the phone with the users I'm supporting.
[17:42] <passstab> contributer agreements
[17:42] <jedijf> hmm, and actually the xubu logo bashing has begun so .....
[17:42] <passstab> ??
[17:42] <passstab> xubu logo?
[17:43] <jedijf> new xubuntu logo mouse thingy
[17:43] <n2diy> I hope 12.04 is an LTS, at least that way I won't mind doing a bunch of hand holding with my users, but I'm not doing it every six months.
[17:43] <jedijf> n2diy: it is
[17:44] <n2diy> Has anybody seen it yet?
[17:44] <jedijf> n2diy: you can, and do system testing!
[17:44] <passstab> jedijf, you don't think there are legitimate reasons to hate ubu?
[17:45] <n2diy> jedijf, I know, but little stuff, like trying to earn a living gets in the way.
[17:45] <jedijf> passstab: no that's stupid, why hate..it it affects you that much switch distros or lfs
[17:45] <MobileTurkey> I mean I don't have to use something to hate it...
[17:45] <passstab> i did
[17:45] <jedijf> n2diy: cliff notes, the early reviews are all favorable
[17:46] <MobileTurkey> "favorable"
[17:46] <passstab> and i'm not talking about "it's not for me"
[17:46] <jedijf> wubi not included
[17:46] <MobileTurkey> thats what they said about enron.
[17:46] <jedijf> lol
[17:48] <n2diy> Besides, I can screw things up here just fine, I don't need to be playing with +1 stuff.
[17:48] <jedijf> i face much hippocracy doing this advocacy stuff. bash ubuntu is stylish these days - love mint (based on ubuntu) you're cool, use backtrack (built on ubu) you're l33t, but don't know what nmap is - please people *give me a break*
[17:48] <jedijf> mark, you owe me $5
[17:48] <jedijf> pleia2: ^^ make sure he sees that
[17:49] <MobileTurkey> jedijf: thats why we all use arch....
[17:49] <passstab> people like mint cause it has a classic desktop
[17:49] <MobileTurkey> "classic"
[17:49] <jedijf> i use different stuff because I like to learn
[17:49] <MobileTurkey> what's that?
[17:49] <n2diy> jedijf, I've been advocating (X)Ubuntu since 5.10, and I love it, but 11.10 and Unity are a disaster.
[17:49] <jedijf> classic is tty young boy
[17:49] <passstab> ...
[17:49] <passstab> oh right
[17:49] <MobileTurkey> yeah I though Xubuntu was great around 7.10
[17:49] <passstab> i'm sorry
[17:50]  * jedijf gets his stone tablets out
[17:50] <MobileTurkey> !xkcd real programmers
[17:50] <MobileTurkey> http://xkcd.com/378/
[17:50] <MobileTurkey> relevant
[17:50] <PennBot> Title: xkcd: Real Programmers (at xkcd.com)
[17:50]  * MobileTurkey gets his abacus out
[17:51] <n2diy> I'm playing around with learning Python, is that portable to that Raspberry ARM machine?
[17:51] <passstab> yip
[17:51] <n2diy> cool
[17:52] <passstab> the pi is named for py
[17:52] <jedijf> n2diy: when is the 8's and 9's unity was branded UNR, everyone thought it was 'neat'. change is just difficult, timing is well, just has to be done, 12.04 /should/ be more accepted. It's looking that way. Gnome Foundation has some blame in this, but Unity has provided them with a shield.
[17:52] <passstab> not everyone thought it was neet
[17:53] <jedijf> and it's presented opportunities for TDE, Mate, Cinnamon (sic)
[17:53] <n2diy> jedijf, whats UNR ?
[17:53] <jedijf> Ubuntu netbook Remix
[17:54] <passstab> i herd ubu folks saying unity WON'T be like unr
[17:54] <n2diy> ok. And that's what threw me, I've never used a portable device, so I wasn't familiar with the interface.
[17:54] <passstab> to defend the decision
[17:54] <passstab> TDE?
[17:54] <jedijf> see your cousin
[17:55] <jedijf> oh, he's gone
[17:55] <passstab> oh
[17:55] <jedijf> that's mutant's baby
[17:55] <passstab> tryinity
[17:55] <jedijf> deprecated codebase ftw
[17:55] <jedijf> s/w/l maybe
[17:56] <n2diy> that reminds me, I ended up here because I can't join #gramps.
[17:56] <jedijf> why not?
[17:57] <n2diy> jedijf, freenode doesn't think I'm n2diy, and tells me I need to msg nickserv with my pw, and I'm trying to configure xchat-gnome to do it automagically.
[17:57] <jedijf> n2diy: you're welcome to join *both*
[17:57] <n2diy> ?
[17:58] <jedijf> you said you were here because you weren't there
[17:58] <n2diy> yes, #gramps won't let me post until I register with my pw.
[17:59] <jedijf> n2diy: iirc its in the network (freenode) setting part
[18:00] <jedijf> been awhile since i used it though
[18:00] <n2diy> jedijf, yes I think your right. I just tried joining #ubuntu, and I was ignored.
[18:02] <n2diy> just looked on #freenode, and I'm banned from #ubuntu. See, I don't need +1 to get into trouble.
[18:03] <passstab> is cause you are supposed to join #debian :D
[18:04] <n2diy> passstab, I was on #linux, but I'm not now, wonder if I've been banned there too?
[18:04] <passstab> weird
[18:05] <n2diy> nope, I'm on #linux now. (I just registered my pw with freenode.)
[18:05] <passstab> do know why you might have been?
[18:06] <passstab> maybe the dis/re connecting
[18:06] <n2diy> passstab, yes, I was trying to configure xchat-gnome to auto login for me, and it kept crashing while trying. I had to keep disconnecting and reconnecting my LAN cable to change things in prefrences.
[18:07] <passstab> i know
[18:07] <passstab> but that might have got you banned?
[18:07] <n2diy> passstab, that's my guess, found the rat.
[18:08] <passstab> do you need someone else to get you unbanned?
[18:09] <JonathanD> it did get him banned.
[18:09] <n2diy> passstab, I don't know? I'm not worried about #ubuntu, that is my channel of last resort.
[18:09] <passstab> lol
[18:09] <JonathanD> 16:41:45 -!- mode/#ubuntu [+b n2diy*!*darryl@h39.255.55.139.dynamic.ip.windstream.net$##fix_your_connection] by Myrtti
[18:10] <JonathanD> n2diy: you should probably just poke Myrtti and ask he remove it, anyway.
[18:11] <passstab> how would he?
[18:11] <JonathanD> private message
[18:11] <n2diy> JonathanD, yes, but i want to get the log in fixed first.
[18:11] <passstab> i don't know how to do it either
[18:12] <n2diy> I have a plan, just need to stop chatting and start playing. Not a lot of motivation at the moment.
[18:12] <JonathanD> n2diy: heh :)
[18:12] <n2diy> I'm having fun here!
[18:14] <passstab> playing?
[18:14] <passstab> what?
[18:14] <n2diy> passstab, with my log in settings
[18:14] <passstab> aha fun fun fun
[18:15] <n2diy> passstab, that's what I should be doing, but I'm having more fun here, so I'm not motivated to be doing that.
[18:16] <passstab> i found it
[18:16] <passstab> server settings
[18:16] <passstab> ty google
[18:17] <passstab> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XChatHowto#Settings_for_Networks
[18:17] <PennBot> Title: XChatHowto - Community Ubuntu Documentation (at help.ubuntu.com)
[18:17] <n2diy> passstab, I found that too, and that are two pw boxes tried them both, and one at a time, no joy.
[18:17] <n2diy> there are
[18:18] <MobileTurkey> yawn
[18:18] <MobileTurkey> konversation++
[18:19] <n2diy> also tried using the auto connect check box, and that's what was causing xchat-gnome to crash, I think.
[18:19] <n2diy> What I'm supicious of is I'm connecting to the "ubuntu servers" and not to freenode?
[18:21] <n2diy> Those links are for xchat, not xchat-gnome.
[18:22] <n2diy> Well, here goes nothing.
[18:23] <n2diy> maybe it worked?
[18:24] <MobileTurkey> suppose so?
[18:25] <n2diy> I configured auto log in for ubuntu servers, instead of freenode.
[18:26] <n2diy> Let me shut down xchat-gnome and restart it, see if it remembers what to do?
[18:33] <jedijf> passstab: you reading and registering your nick now?
[18:34] <jedijf> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[18:34] <PennBot> Title: freenode: frequently-asked questions (at freenode.net)
[18:39] <n2diy> good to go, everything is working normally again, knock knock.
[18:51] <MobileTurkey> Sadin: interesting CSS read
[18:51] <MobileTurkey> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-css/
[18:51] <PennBot> Title: Does CSS float? (at www.ibm.com)
[18:51] <MobileTurkey> rather good explaination
[18:52] <MobileTurkey> I love ibm's docs
[18:52] <Sadin> MobileTurkey IBM has good docs
[18:52] <Sadin> but some of their writers are ignorant as fuck.
[18:53] <Sadin> One of them wrote and Article about NodeJS accusing it of being bad for all these reason when in fact it was better then other frameworks for those reasons when Node Devs and JoyentCloud asked them to take it down do to falsified info they refused
[18:55] <MobileTurkey>  it sucks still though...
[18:55] <Sadin> No
[18:55] <Sadin> If you can tell me what its for then maybe
[18:55] <MobileTurkey> did yo even read that article i sent you?
[18:55] <Sadin> Yes
[18:55] <Sadin> I skimmed it i have other stuff atm
[18:55] <MobileTurkey> tell me what's what for?
[18:55] <Sadin> You Said NodeJS sucks
[18:56] <Sadin> When 90% of the people that are using it are using it wrongly
[18:56] <MobileTurkey> nodejs? it's _designed_ to be able to write internet based applications and pages
[18:56] <Sadin> no
[18:56] <MobileTurkey> no?
[18:56] <MobileTurkey> no what is it for then?
[18:56] <Sadin> Its not Aimed directly at that people USE it for that
[18:57] <Sadin> NodeJS is a alternative to AJAX
[18:57] <Sadin> PHP applications that use AJAX have to stop the PHP script
[18:57] <MobileTurkey> who said ajax is good?
[18:57] <Sadin> its not...
[18:57] <MobileTurkey> who said php is good?
[18:57] <Sadin> NodeJS does what it does correctly
[18:57] <MobileTurkey> node js is full of fail
[18:58] <Sadin> and PHP is too apparently
[18:58] <MobileTurkey> php sucks for other reasons
[18:58] <MobileTurkey> weak typing and crappy code incompatible releases poor performance thats another day
[18:58] <MobileTurkey> 90% of people aren't using Javascript for what it was designed for...
[18:58] <MobileTurkey> apparently NodeJS isn't either.
[18:58] <Sadin> Correct
[18:59] <Sadin> so when people say its fail they dont see what it supposed to be used for
[18:59] <Sadin> that would make it good
[18:59] <MobileTurkey> and the fact the NodeJs runs it's own webserver is not a good thing.
[18:59] <Sadin> *sigh* your right its not
[18:59] <MobileTurkey> anyway.
[19:00] <MobileTurkey> I hate the web.
[19:00] <MobileTurkey> I can't wait till html and javascript go out the window by some brand new fancy technology
[19:00] <Sadin> NodeJS is able to handle requests outside the main apps language keeping the application running on its own tasks without having to stop the script and tel it to do something else
[19:01] <Sadin> MobileTurkey why whats bad about them?
[19:01] <MobileTurkey> aka asynchronous
[19:01] <Sadin> YES
[19:01] <MobileTurkey> inefficient... slow bloated. xml based (html at least)
[19:01] <Sadin> but asshoels are out there using it for FULL web applications and building MVC frameworks
[19:01] <Sadin> and its tarnishing it
[19:01] <MobileTurkey> web pages were not designed to serve full applications
[19:02] <Sadin> MobileTurkey i know HTML was designed to organize scientific data
[19:02] <MobileTurkey> and the idea of a "web based" application is why gmail sucks down 300mb?
[19:02] <Sadin> or just data
[19:02] <MobileTurkey> data
[19:02] <MobileTurkey> xml sucks.
[19:02] <Sadin> correct
[19:02] <MobileTurkey> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?XmlSucks
[19:02] <PennBot> Title: Xml Sucks (at c2.com)
[19:02] <Sadin> i dont need a link i agree
[19:03] <Sadin> lol
[19:03] <MobileTurkey> http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/xml/
[19:03] <PennBot> Title: XML Sucks (at harmful.cat-v.org)
[19:03] <MobileTurkey> funny picture
[19:04] <MobileTurkey> instead we should be focused on deploying applications that work over networks as actual applications.
[19:04] <MobileTurkey> even using Java (cross platform) is 100x better than using the clusterfrag of internet
[19:05] <passstab> i AM regestered
[19:10] <Sadin> ehhhhhhhh Java
[19:10] <Sadin> while it may be true i wont touch that crap
[19:10] <MobileTurkey> was an example.
[19:10] <MobileTurkey> I don't use it either
[19:10] <MobileTurkey> http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/java
[19:10] <PennBot> Title: Java Sucks (at harmful.cat-v.org)
[19:11] <MobileTurkey> "If Java had true garbage collection, most programs would delete themselves upon execution. -- Robert Sewell"
[19:11] <Sadin> Yeah i know
[19:11] <Sadin> I would like to see python or ruby do better
[19:11] <MobileTurkey> no no no no
[19:12] <Sadin> Why
[19:12] <Sadin> they are not only web lamguages...
[19:12] <MobileTurkey> those are scripting languages.
[19:12] <Sadin> Yeah your right
[19:12] <MobileTurkey> dynamically interpreted langugaes.
[19:12] <MobileTurkey> so they have crappier performance
[19:13] <MobileTurkey> I guess you could argue that they aren't really scripting languages
[19:13] <MobileTurkey> i just feel like dynamically interpreted things are a massive waste of time...
[19:13] <Sadin> Id say midway.
[19:14] <MobileTurkey> they _can_ work as scripting languages
[19:14] <Sadin> mhm
[19:14] <MobileTurkey> go C.
[19:14] <MobileTurkey> Go, is also a rational language
[19:15] <MobileTurkey> i'd like to see some really well built C based CGI web applications...
[19:15] <MobileTurkey> i did start hacking up a C based blog
[19:15] <MobileTurkey> with markdown
[19:15] <MobileTurkey> but
[19:15] <MobileTurkey> meh
[19:17] <Sadin> I dont want to be a desktop programmer\
[19:17] <Sadin> im going to use what is the standard and growing technology
[19:18] <Sadin> while it may be true that other options exist
[19:24] <MobileTurkey> what do you mean?
[19:24] <MobileTurkey> the desktop is a standard and growing technology...
[19:24] <MobileTurkey> ?
[19:27] <jedijf> cloud_sadin
[19:28] <jedijf> and for his bday, he's getting a piece of sky
[19:29] <JonathanD> MobileTurkey: didn't you here, we're all going to use tablets now.
[19:29] <MobileTurkey> no.
[19:29] <MobileTurkey> no we are all not.
[19:29] <MobileTurkey> this is an illusion.
[19:29] <MobileTurkey> tablets will _supplement_ desktops
[19:29] <MobileTurkey> that's why metro is not going to work well for windows...
[19:29] <MobileTurkey> great for entertainment and angry birds. not very good for doing data processing, office work, medical applications...
[19:30] <MobileTurkey> business will still rely on the desktop
[19:30] <MobileTurkey> and so will home users.
[19:30] <MobileTurkey> they are not the same.
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[19:34] <jedijf> hmmm mobile turkey, what was that diatribe sent from?
[19:37] <passstab> MobileTurkey is right
[19:37] <MobileTurkey> my Laptop.
[19:37] <MobileTurkey> a fully functional yet mobile computing station.
[19:37] <passstab> i saw on the blog of a kinect designer
[19:37] <passstab> agreeing with him
[19:37] <MobileTurkey> which uses the same HUD as a desktop.
[19:38] <MobileTurkey> HCI'
[19:38] <MobileTurkey> not HUD
[19:38] <MobileTurkey> sorry
[19:38] <passstab> or maybe the other way if your using unity
[19:40] <MobileTurkey> I'm not using unity.
[20:46] <jedijf> we should card distros at next release party
[20:49] <MobileTurkey> card?
[20:56] <jedijf> ask for id
[20:57] <jedijf> lsb_release -a bouncers
[23:44] <ChinnoDog> How do I use a grep inline with a tail?
[23:45] <ChinnoDog> I want to tail -f my web server log so that I can see whenever lines with a specific string are displayed
[23:45] <ChinnoDog> If I tail -f my log and pipe it into grep then nothing happens becaues the tail command never finishes