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len-nbhmm, our disto is crossed out on the qa site. so I can't add test results. Unless I hit the wrong site.02:28
ScottLthe might be respinning images again, there were issues with the kernel and update-manager03:15
ttoinehop07:46
ttoineastraljava, are you here ?07:47
astraljavamicahg: ACK. ttoine: Give me 30 min. to wake up and have some coffee. :)08:13
ttoineof course ;-)08:13
ttoineastraljava, what is your timeline ?08:13
astraljavaI am basically free to do stuff for Studio and Xubuntu the whole day, but I just have some other issues to take care of, and an aussie is also pestering me. But otherwise, let's move. :)08:40
ttoineastraljava, I hope that your important phonecall was well ??08:46
ttoineso, I translated the po file for french08:46
ttoinebut I can't upload it to launchpad08:46
astraljavattoine: No, I don't think that particular phone call is gonna make things turn out, but thanks for remembering. :)08:54
astraljavattoine: Did you just get that one file, or the whole branch?08:55
astraljavattoine: I think we have to file a bug against that package, and attach a debdiff against the package currently in archives.08:56
ttoineI tried bzr... but actually, I was able to download, I tried to tell my launchpad account to bzr but it didn't work. So I get the file via the link you gave me08:56
astraljavattoine: So if you could just send the file to me at <$my nick@kapsi.fi>, then I'll move it forwards.08:57
astraljavattoine: Yeah. In some cases, you could push your own branch to LP, and then request a merge with the main branch, but it doesn't work that way with these branches that are imported from the packages.08:57
ttoinehop, email sent08:58
ttoineastraljava, what time is it in Finland ??08:59
astraljavattoine: Just reaching noon in a few seconds.08:59
ttoineok, so only one hour more than in France. As you just woke up, I was thinking you were far more on the west ;-)09:00
astraljavattoine: Yeah. :) I tend to stay up during the nights, as I'm currently temporarily laid-off, so I have a chance to follow the games in NHL. :) But yesterday I was just too tired, so slept in.09:01
ttoine;-)09:01
ttoineastraljava, the ubuntu studio icon on the top left corner as a black background, so it is not the same color than the panel itself. Is it ok ? Or is it a bug ?09:02
astraljavattoine: I think that's a bug. But I have not dealt with the appearance stuff, so you should ping Scott and Len about it, they know more about those issues.09:03
astraljavattoine: Not seeing your email, are you sure you replaced my nick to the user part (before @) correctly?09:04
ttoineastraljava, ok. Perhaps I should speak about that with Scott too, but I use a lot VLC in Ubuntu/Xubuntu because it reads near every multimedia files (audio, video, dvd), is very light, and has a plugin for jackd. Maybe we should consider to replace totem, xine and audacious by VLC, no ?09:06
ttoineastraljava, yes, I actually just did a copy/paste.09:07
astraljavattoine: I'm a big fan of VLC, too. But we're most likely not going to make changes to app selections for precise anymore. But it could be done for precise+1, if vlc's license permits that.09:07
ttoineI corrected that09:07
ttoineastraljava, yes of course, I was not thinking about that for precise. And it will lighten a bit the iso, too: less librairies are needed, I guess09:08
astraljavaYep, I see it now. :) Thanks!09:09
ttoineastraljava, I put basics informations in the headers, but I am more used to translate wordpress themes than applications with .po files. So maybe I may miss a thing or two09:10
astraljavattoine: It's possible, but I'm not sure what's the catch there, I would assume it being used elsewhere if it was free to ship by default. I could be wrong, though. It could be added to the agenda as an item, when talking about features for precise+1-09:10
astraljavattoine: Ok. I'll see if it works, and let you know if something breaks.09:10
ttoinethank you. To bad I can't upload it myself : my karma will not grow up ;-)09:11
astraljavattoine: Heh, yeah. :) Well, I can't upload either. But I can provide you the debdiff, which you can then attach to the bug, which you can file, so that way your karma will increase. :)09:12
astraljavattoine: Or actually, I can walk you through to how to make those debdiffs yourself, if you like?09:12
ttoineastraljava, maybe, yes, I would be please to try09:15
ttoineit will improve what I can do to help09:15
astraljavattoine: Ok great! This is the page I use whenever I can't remember how to do it (which is practically always :D ): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff09:18
astraljavattoine: If you don't have a dev release machine, there are several ways to do have a working environment. I do this in an schroot.09:19
astraljavattoine: You can skip to the "Creating A Debdiff" section, as we're not dealing with bzr branches in this particular case.09:21
ttoinefollowing the basic steps I have a bug with gnome-keyring...09:23
astraljavattoine: If you could pastebin the errors, then we can work on them.09:23
ttoineastraljava, http://pastebin.com/jHUjWUB909:25
astraljavattoine: What does the last part of the error message say? My french is a little rusty, still. :)09:27
ttoineoh yes of course..09:27
ttoine"no file like this"09:28
ttoinemaybe I should first connect to ubuntu one ??09:29
astraljavattoine: No, I don't think so. It has trouble finding your keys. Can you check if the daemon is actually running? `ps -ef | grep keyring-daemon`09:32
ttoinehttp://pastebin.com/0d9Q8FBg09:34
astraljavattoine: Ok, so then do you have the SSH keys prepared? There's a good page for bzr usage on LP for this: https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair09:36
ttoineoh yes, I didn't mind it, but when installing Ubuntu Studio, I took the time to erase my /home to get a true fresh install...09:42
ttoinerestart09:52
astraljavaOk.09:54
ttoinehop09:54
astraljavattoine: Alright, let me know how it progresses. I'll be hanging the laundry for a bit now.09:55
ttoineastraljava, ok, the key is created and imported in launchpad. but I still have the problem with gnome keyring...09:56
astraljavattoine: Hmm... I have to look into that, I'm not using it for my key management.10:00
astraljavattoine: Is it the same error as before?10:00
ttoineyes, the same one10:02
ttoineI just installed seahorse and the key is here. after installing it the system asked for restart, so I do that again10:02
ttoineastraljava, I don't know how to solve the connection problem... it is the first time I experience that trying to connect to launchpad10:07
astraljavattoine: Just a hunch, but if you do `eval "`gnome-keyring-daemon`"`, what happens when you try again?10:23
ttoineastraljava, still the same...10:25
ttoinegnome-keyring control is here : /tmp/keyring-wlH8of10:26
ttoinebzr launchpad-login look for /tmp/keyring-UGjyXo/10:27
astraljavattoine: You probably have to do these after that eval thingie still:10:27
astraljavaexport GNOME_KEYRING_PID10:27
astraljavaexport GNOME_KEYRING_SOCKET10:27
astraljavaFor some reason, it doesn't find the correct PID and SOCKET.10:28
ttoineastraljava, so, now, bzr is looking at the right place, but not at the good file...10:29
astraljavattoine: Why is that? Can you pastebin the error again?10:30
ttoineis it a common bug ? or just for me to tell "you are not a programmer, don't try to get bzr working" ?10:30
astraljavattoine: Like I said, I don't know as I don't use gnome-keyring for key management. :)10:31
ttoinehttp://pastebin.com/0H0fD6mh10:31
ttoineastraljava, what are you using ?10:32
astraljavattoine: I use keychain.10:33
astraljavattoine: Quite easy to setup: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuickTips#Tip_.233_Keychain_-_Manage_ssh_keys10:34
astraljava...although I must admit I didn't use that when I set mine up, so can't remember if it took more steps than that. Shouldn't have, though.10:34
astraljavattoine: Well, I have the same lines in my ~/.bashrc than those mentioned in that page, so it should work fine.10:35
ttoineastraljava, I do not have at the moment a .bashrc in my home directory10:39
ttoineshould I create it ?10:39
astraljavattoine: Err... that's very strange.10:41
ttoineeven with keychain activated, bzr is still looking for the gnome-keyring key10:42
astraljavattoine: It is still, after all, the default interactive shell for users of Ubuntu and related.10:42
ttoinebut still the wrong file10:42
ttoineyes10:42
ttoinebut is it a mess to use and setup10:42
astraljavattoine: Yes, but you should set up the keychain, disable gnome-keyring-daemon, reboot and make sure keychain finds your keys, and _then_ try bzr again.10:43
ttoineperhaps it is a bug of xubuntu or ubuntu studio ?10:43
astraljavattoine: Which release are you using?10:43
ttoineI installed the daily build yesterday10:43
ttoineand updated this morning10:43
astraljavaRight. Do `ls -all | grep bash` and pastebin that here, please. I'll be moving to jussi's place now, back in an hour or so.10:45
astraljavattoine: Do that in your home, of course.10:45
ttoinehttp://pastebin.com/misfh6SQ10:46
ttoineastraljava, ok. I did it in my home, as you will see10:47
astraljavattoine: Yeah, so the file is there.10:48
astraljavaOk, I'm offline for an hour or so.10:48
ttoineyes, I created it10:48
ttoineok10:48
astraljavaRight, if you add that stuff to the file now, disable gnome-keyring-daemon, reboot, will it work then?11:51
scott-worklen: one reason for one of the recent respins was due to something you had pointed out; setting the cdimage = "BETA"11:57
scott-workfor those interested in seeing the "Beta 2 Tecnical Overview" for studio:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview#Ubuntu_Studio12:08
scott-workand the "known issues" section as well:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview#Ubuntu_Studio-112:09
scott-work  12:09
ttoineastraljava, yeahhhhhhh thanks. I just had to find a tip to disable gnome-keyring daemon and now I can do a launchpad-login with bzr !!*12:09
ttoineso now, what is the next step ???12:09
scott-worknext thing i'll move onto is some PR for beta212:10
scott-worki have hesitated to do this before becase the image was so unstable and lacked function12:10
scott-workif anyone else interested in helping with PR that would be great, i have a list of suggested place to post/email/talk about our great upcoming release and welcome any further suggestions12:10
ttoinescott-work, if you are still nearby, I just would like to ask you where I should report that logo in the top left corner (the panel menu icon) has a black background and has not the same background color than the panel itself. Is ok, is it a bug ? maybe is it possible to edit the picture file with a transparent background ?12:11
astraljavattoine: So next you `apt-get source ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu`, and follow the steps on that page that I linked you to.12:12
scott-workttoine: that is strange (and i noticed it as well) but i did make the background with transparancy12:12
scott-workttoine: i wanted to investigate, but will do so later12:13
scott-workhowever, if someone wanted to get the package source and look, that would be helpful12:13
ttoinescott-work, astraljava is trying to teach me the basics of package modification, debdiff etc...12:14
ttoinemaybe I can do that. what is the name of the package ?12:14
scott-workttoine: that is outstandingly excellent!  i'm glad others are learning these valuable tools12:15
scott-workthe name of the package is ubuntustudio-default-settings12:15
scott-workthe menu is now in that package and the icon should be under the pixmaps directory12:15
scott-worki'll check quickly12:15
* scott-work is checking location only right now, he's on a windows machine at work :(12:17
scott-workokay, the menu logo image is in usr/share/pixmaps/ubuntustudio-logo-menu.png12:17
astraljavattoine: Let me know how you progress when you're following the steps in 'Creating A Debdiff'.12:18
ttoineastraljava, so actually I replace the file in the sources with the one I translated and follow the steps to create the debdiff. right ?12:21
ttoinescott-work, please, don't complain you have a job ;-)12:22
scott-workttoine: i meant more that i'm sad because i'm on a windows machine (which is a offshoot of being at work)12:24
ttoinescott-work, where can I find a svg logo ? the current one has a black background12:24
ttoinescott-work, ok. so you don't work with Linux desktops. I missed that point, sorry12:25
scott-workttoine: in the same directory there is ubuntustudio-logo.svg12:26
scott-worki'm pretty sure that is the name, but there shoudl be an .svg file12:26
ttoineok12:28
astraljavattoine: Yes that's right.12:30
ttoinescott-work, there is a bug with the theme in Inkscape : the edition background is gray, instead of being white...12:33
ttoineastraljava, do I need to change the maintener name ??12:38
astraljavattoine: No, you don't change that, you only have your name in the changelog entry.12:40
ttoineastraljava, I may have miss a thing : I have an error with signing...12:49
ttoinewill do it without signing it12:52
scott-workttoine: i'm not sure what you are telling me about the gray vs white background12:54
scott-workttoine: are you saying that inkscape has a bug that renders things inccorect or that the .svg file is broken due to a bug12:55
ttoinescott-work, sorry, I find the problem. It is because in the svg file parameters, the background color was filed with a non transparent gray. so at the export it was a problem. I will save the svg file and the 2 png files and try to make a debdiff13:00
scott-workttoine: okay, i understand, thank you :)13:00
ttoinescott-work should I change only ubuntustudio-logo-menu.png or ubuntustudio-logo.png too ?13:03
astraljavattoine: What's the error? It's about not finding your GPG key, have you created one?13:05
astraljavaIt's probably about*13:05
ttoineit is about a gpg key, yes. but is it not the same than the ssh key ??13:05
astraljavattoine: No, those are two separate things.13:06
ttoineastraljava, ok... I will create a gpg key. You prefer that I sign the package and debdiff, so ??13:07
astraljavattoine: It's just good practice if you're going to participate in *ubuntu development in the future, good to start using it from Day 1 already. :)13:14
ttoineok, so I will do my work again once the gpg key is generated13:14
astraljavascott-work: There's still the dash between Ubuntu and Studio in the slideshow.13:15
astraljavattoine: You only have to redo the debuild part.13:15
ttoineastraljava, yes, I already guessed that point13:19
scott-workttoine: i would fix them all, if you don't mind13:22
scott-workastraljava: are you and ttoine updating the package already?  can you fix that as well?13:22
astraljavascott-work: I can look into it, sure.13:23
scott-workastraljava: i ask because i don't have upload rights to that package and i would have to do the same work you are doing as well13:23
scott-worki.e. getting pasi or someone else to upload my branch of it13:23
astraljavascott-work: Alright, no problem.13:23
knomefile a UIFe with a link to the fixing commit, handle the freeze exception, and i can upload the change13:25
astraljavascott-work: Apparently it's not in that package, so it can be done in a separate upload.13:25
scott-workastraljava: really?  which slide (or file name) is it in?13:26
scott-workit = "extra dash between ubuntu and studio"13:26
astraljavascott-work: It's actually before the slideshow, I presume. But it's not in ubiquity package either. I'm gonna have to do more investigation on this one.13:29
ttoinescott-work : should I fix only the ubuntustudio-logo-menu.png ? or maybe I put a transparent background to ubuntustudio-logo.png and to ubuntustudio-logo.svg ??13:29
scott-workastraljava: can you get a screen shot, i'm very confused on where this could be13:29
scott-workttoine: i would put the transparency in all the files please13:29
knomettoine, if you update PNG's, please export them from the svg sources, where possible13:29
scott-workknome: perhaps i did need your tutelage for the transparencies after all :P13:30
knomeheh13:30
astraljavascott-work: http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/us_precise_dash-and-xubuntu-logo.png13:30
knomehmm.13:31
knomei wonder if that dash has to do something with the disk name13:31
knomei mean, technical name13:31
knomedoesn't drives have labels13:31
scott-workastraljava: sorry my friend, i understand now13:31
astraljavaknome: It's possible, as that string can't be found easily in any of the most obvious packages.13:31
scott-worki think knome is rigth13:31
ttoineastraljava, so now I have the debdiff for the slideshow. what should I do ?13:32
scott-workastraljava: i'm sure colin has it to read the image name to make the code easier and more flexible13:32
scott-workjust like he does with the image apparently13:32
astraljavattoine: Great! Now you file a bug against the package, and attach the debdiff as a patch in it.13:32
ttoinescott-work, knome ok I will do that and generate the debdiff. I let you know when it is ready, so then you can tell me what the best to get it fixed13:33
astraljavascott-work: Right, so I should go talk to him about it.13:33
knomettoine, what is it you are fixing anyway? :)13:33
ttoineknome, the background of the logo in the top left corner13:35
ttoineastraljava, should I use ubuntu-bug command ? because I can't find a way to report a bug on launchpad...13:35
scott-workastraljava: maybe knome can offer some insight, but i worry about timing, should we wait until either after beta2 is officially released or even until next cycle?13:35
ttoineastraljava, forget my question13:35
scott-workideally i would like this fixed for precise, however13:35
ttoinescott-work, I check the "this attachement is a patch" with the debdiff ?13:38
scott-workttoine: i believe you should13:38
ttoinedone13:39
ttoineastraljava, scott-work it is bug #967138 for slideshow13:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 967138 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Studio fr.po is not translated in french" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96713813:40
ttoinewow , impressive...13:41
ttoinescott-work, can you add me to the ubuntu studio developper so I can assign the patch to us ?13:43
knomehttps://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntustudio13:46
knomethe translation deadlines aren't passed yet13:47
astraljavascott-work: I filed bug 967140 as per Colin's request. It might not get done, though, as you said, it is derived from the cdimage.13:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 967140 in Ubuntu CD Images "Ubuntu Studio branding problem; name spelled with a dash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96714013:47
ttoineastraljava, gpg don't want to work. How can I check that the key I generated is available ?13:57
astraljavattoine: You need to have your credentials for DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME exactly like you had them when creating the key.13:58
scott-workttoine: i have had trouble with launchpad not recognizing my gpg key but it was due in part to my ssh key i believe (this may be horribly, horribly incorrect)13:59
scott-worki this i had to generate a new one13:59
scott-works/this/think13:59
scott-workttoine: i believe i have added you to the -dev group14:00
ttoine#96716014:01
scott-workastraljava: i will add background image and icon to the branding bug report14:01
astraljavascott-work: Depends. If you're using LP with bzr, it only cares about your SSH.14:01
scott-workbug #96716014:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 967160 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu) "The logo background is not transparent" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96716014:02
astraljavaOoh! Love the background, absolutely LOVE IT!14:07
astraljavattoine: I do have a template .bashrc on a fresh install from yesterday's image, so something was f*cked on yours.14:08
ttoineastraljava, perhaps, yes...14:09
ttoineastraljava, I figured that I didn't attached my new pg key to my launchpad account. I did it, now waiting for the confirmation email.14:10
ttoinescott-work, thanks for addind me. I assigned ubuntu studio devel to the 2 bugs14:10
astraljavattoine: Yes, but debuild doesn't check the key from LP, it checks against the environment variables DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME.14:11
ttoineastraljava, thanks a lot for taking time teaching me how to do that kind of stuff14:11
ttoinehum, and how do I set debemail and debfullname ???14:11
astraljavattoine: No problem, glad to have more contributors on the project. :)14:11
ttoineastraljava, and I a Ubuntu Studio developper again, many years after being one of the early ;-)14:12
astraljavattoine: It's best to add them into your .bashrc, as lines: export DEBEMAIL='<email_like_you_gave_in_GPG_key>' and export DEBFULLNAME='<name_like_previous_email_in_GPG_key>'14:13
astraljavattoine: I know, makes me happy that you've come back. :)14:14
* abogani is happy too14:14
ttoinescott-work, let me know if I can do other things like that. I have a lot of time for a couple of weeks14:14
ttoineastraljava, maybe I did a mistakes with real name and my nickname, something like that14:15
ttoinetomorrow, I will try to generate new ssh and gpg keys with checked information and see if it works better14:17
scott-workastraljava: which background?  the desktop?14:28
* scott-work is happy that abogani is happy :)14:29
* ttoine is happy that everybody is happy14:29
astraljavascott-work: Yeah.14:42
scott-workastraljava: the lightdm-theme wasn't uploaded, which used the same image for the lightdm background as well14:44
scott-workastraljava: i kinda liked that look, gave it a very contiguous look14:46
scott-workastraljava: my thought would be to not use the *exact* image however, but perhaps add "ubuntu studio 12.04 (LTS?)" on top of the lightdm background in the bottom left14:47
* abogani has prepared a new lowlatency kernel:14:57
abogani1) Rebased on latest generic kernel 14:57
abogani2) Reworked UKT changes to make kernel git rebase-able14:57
abogani3) Re-enabled specific lowlatency kernel configuration14:57
astraljavascott-work: Why not, sounds good to me.14:57
astraljavaabogani: Nice! Will you let Luke know, or want us to do it?14:58
aboganiI'll let TheMuso know when I'll have uploaded those bits in my git tree. In this way he could decide if accept changes.14:59
astraljavaabogani: Excellent. Thanks so much!15:00
aboganiTheMuso: Could you review my changes in my git tree (binary is available at https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/broken/+packages), please?15:05
aboganiTheMuso: I can change again to recovery your commits. I removed those only for time constraints.15:06
aboganiTheMuso: Thanks in advance.15:08
ttoineastraljava, just to know because I know I can't do more, can you tell me the way in order that the fix I did are available in the updated packages ?15:19
astraljavattoine: I think we should ping micahg to verify the fix, and then approve and upload it.15:31
astraljava...which I just did.15:32
astraljava*grin*15:32
micahgastraljava: what fix?15:32
astraljavamicahg: bug #96713815:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 967138 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Studio fr.po is not translated in french" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96713815:33
* micahg would think that's translated in LP15:33
astraljavamicahg: Hmmm... I did look at the package source in LP, but didn't see any mention of translations there.15:34
micahgoh, right, that doesn't quite make sense :)15:34
astraljavaI can check again.15:34
micahgit should go into the main branch for it and then uploaded, but I think this is too late for beta 215:35
micahgyou can subscribe ubuntu-sponsors for that one15:35
knomehttps://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu15:36
knomeagain15:36
knomere: translations for the slideshow:15:41
knome18:40 stgraber: people NEED to translate on LP, translations done directly in the branch are usually lost15:41
ttoineshould I subscribe ubuntu-sponsors or is it already done by someone ?15:41
ttoineastraljava, micahg, and what about bug #967160 ? 15:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 967160 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu) "The logo background is not transparent" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96716015:42
ttoineknome, what is LP ?15:42
knomettoine, LP == launchpad15:42
ttoineknome, what should I do ??15:42
knomettoine, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu15:42
knomettoine, open the ubuntustudio template15:43
knomettoine, select language15:43
knomettoine, translate15:43
micahgttoine: that one astraljava can commit if he approves and we can upload after beta 215:47
micahghe has some other fixes for that package as well15:47
ttoinemicahg, knome, ok15:48
ttoineI am on15:48
knomeastraljava, ?15:56
knomeScottL, ?15:58
ttoineastraljava, knome, scott-work, micahg,  french translation done on Launchpad for Slideshow16:03
ttoineIs there any other package for Ubuntu Studio to translate ??16:03
knomettoine, okay, now poke somebody responsible for the french translations16:03
knomettoine, (to *accept* the translations)16:03
ttoineknome, when you mean somebody... who ? somebody of the french translation team, for example ?16:04
knomettoine, yes16:05
knomettoine, at least they can point you to the right direction if not else :)16:05
knomettoine, once you do that and the translations are accepted, they should be in with the next upload16:05
ttoineknome, ok thanks. I have asked to join the french translation team. I will try to see where I can "poke" someone16:07
micahgttoine: #ubuntu-translations, maybe #ubuntu-fr16:08
ttoinemicahg, ok16:08
ttoinemicahg, #ubuntu-translations is empty16:09
micahgoops16:10
micahg#ubuntu-translators maybe16:11
ttoinebon appétit !17:34

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