[02:28] hmm, our disto is crossed out on the qa site. so I can't add test results. Unless I hit the wrong site. [03:15] the might be respinning images again, there were issues with the kernel and update-manager [07:46] hop [07:47] astraljava, are you here ? [08:13] micahg: ACK. ttoine: Give me 30 min. to wake up and have some coffee. :) [08:13] of course ;-) [08:13] astraljava, what is your timeline ? [08:40] I am basically free to do stuff for Studio and Xubuntu the whole day, but I just have some other issues to take care of, and an aussie is also pestering me. But otherwise, let's move. :) [08:46] astraljava, I hope that your important phonecall was well ?? [08:46] so, I translated the po file for french [08:46] but I can't upload it to launchpad [08:54] ttoine: No, I don't think that particular phone call is gonna make things turn out, but thanks for remembering. :) [08:55] ttoine: Did you just get that one file, or the whole branch? [08:56] ttoine: I think we have to file a bug against that package, and attach a debdiff against the package currently in archives. [08:56] I tried bzr... but actually, I was able to download, I tried to tell my launchpad account to bzr but it didn't work. So I get the file via the link you gave me [08:57] ttoine: So if you could just send the file to me at <$my nick@kapsi.fi>, then I'll move it forwards. [08:57] ttoine: Yeah. In some cases, you could push your own branch to LP, and then request a merge with the main branch, but it doesn't work that way with these branches that are imported from the packages. [08:58] hop, email sent [08:59] astraljava, what time is it in Finland ?? [08:59] ttoine: Just reaching noon in a few seconds. [09:00] ok, so only one hour more than in France. As you just woke up, I was thinking you were far more on the west ;-) [09:01] ttoine: Yeah. :) I tend to stay up during the nights, as I'm currently temporarily laid-off, so I have a chance to follow the games in NHL. :) But yesterday I was just too tired, so slept in. [09:01] ;-) [09:02] astraljava, the ubuntu studio icon on the top left corner as a black background, so it is not the same color than the panel itself. Is it ok ? Or is it a bug ? [09:03] ttoine: I think that's a bug. But I have not dealt with the appearance stuff, so you should ping Scott and Len about it, they know more about those issues. [09:04] ttoine: Not seeing your email, are you sure you replaced my nick to the user part (before @) correctly? [09:06] astraljava, ok. Perhaps I should speak about that with Scott too, but I use a lot VLC in Ubuntu/Xubuntu because it reads near every multimedia files (audio, video, dvd), is very light, and has a plugin for jackd. Maybe we should consider to replace totem, xine and audacious by VLC, no ? [09:07] astraljava, yes, I actually just did a copy/paste. [09:07] ttoine: I'm a big fan of VLC, too. But we're most likely not going to make changes to app selections for precise anymore. But it could be done for precise+1, if vlc's license permits that. [09:07] I corrected that [09:08] astraljava, yes of course, I was not thinking about that for precise. And it will lighten a bit the iso, too: less librairies are needed, I guess [09:09] Yep, I see it now. :) Thanks! [09:10] astraljava, I put basics informations in the headers, but I am more used to translate wordpress themes than applications with .po files. So maybe I may miss a thing or two [09:10] ttoine: It's possible, but I'm not sure what's the catch there, I would assume it being used elsewhere if it was free to ship by default. I could be wrong, though. It could be added to the agenda as an item, when talking about features for precise+1- [09:10] ttoine: Ok. I'll see if it works, and let you know if something breaks. [09:11] thank you. To bad I can't upload it myself : my karma will not grow up ;-) [09:12] ttoine: Heh, yeah. :) Well, I can't upload either. But I can provide you the debdiff, which you can then attach to the bug, which you can file, so that way your karma will increase. :) [09:12] ttoine: Or actually, I can walk you through to how to make those debdiffs yourself, if you like? [09:15] astraljava, maybe, yes, I would be please to try [09:15] it will improve what I can do to help [09:18] ttoine: Ok great! This is the page I use whenever I can't remember how to do it (which is practically always :D ): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff [09:19] ttoine: If you don't have a dev release machine, there are several ways to do have a working environment. I do this in an schroot. [09:21] ttoine: You can skip to the "Creating A Debdiff" section, as we're not dealing with bzr branches in this particular case. [09:23] following the basic steps I have a bug with gnome-keyring... [09:23] ttoine: If you could pastebin the errors, then we can work on them. [09:25] astraljava, http://pastebin.com/jHUjWUB9 [09:27] ttoine: What does the last part of the error message say? My french is a little rusty, still. :) [09:27] oh yes of course.. [09:28] "no file like this" [09:29] maybe I should first connect to ubuntu one ?? [09:32] ttoine: No, I don't think so. It has trouble finding your keys. Can you check if the daemon is actually running? `ps -ef | grep keyring-daemon` [09:34] http://pastebin.com/0d9Q8FBg [09:36] ttoine: Ok, so then do you have the SSH keys prepared? There's a good page for bzr usage on LP for this: https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair [09:42] oh yes, I didn't mind it, but when installing Ubuntu Studio, I took the time to erase my /home to get a true fresh install... [09:52] restart [09:54] Ok. [09:54] hop [09:55] ttoine: Alright, let me know how it progresses. I'll be hanging the laundry for a bit now. [09:56] astraljava, ok, the key is created and imported in launchpad. but I still have the problem with gnome keyring... [10:00] ttoine: Hmm... I have to look into that, I'm not using it for my key management. [10:00] ttoine: Is it the same error as before? [10:02] yes, the same one [10:02] I just installed seahorse and the key is here. after installing it the system asked for restart, so I do that again [10:07] astraljava, I don't know how to solve the connection problem... it is the first time I experience that trying to connect to launchpad [10:23] ttoine: Just a hunch, but if you do `eval "`gnome-keyring-daemon`"`, what happens when you try again? [10:25] astraljava, still the same... [10:26] gnome-keyring control is here : /tmp/keyring-wlH8of [10:27] bzr launchpad-login look for /tmp/keyring-UGjyXo/ [10:27] ttoine: You probably have to do these after that eval thingie still: [10:27] export GNOME_KEYRING_PID [10:27] export GNOME_KEYRING_SOCKET [10:28] For some reason, it doesn't find the correct PID and SOCKET. [10:29] astraljava, so, now, bzr is looking at the right place, but not at the good file... [10:30] ttoine: Why is that? Can you pastebin the error again? [10:30] is it a common bug ? or just for me to tell "you are not a programmer, don't try to get bzr working" ? [10:31] ttoine: Like I said, I don't know as I don't use gnome-keyring for key management. :) [10:31] http://pastebin.com/0H0fD6mh [10:32] astraljava, what are you using ? [10:33] ttoine: I use keychain. [10:34] ttoine: Quite easy to setup: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuickTips#Tip_.233_Keychain_-_Manage_ssh_keys [10:34] ...although I must admit I didn't use that when I set mine up, so can't remember if it took more steps than that. Shouldn't have, though. [10:35] ttoine: Well, I have the same lines in my ~/.bashrc than those mentioned in that page, so it should work fine. [10:39] astraljava, I do not have at the moment a .bashrc in my home directory [10:39] should I create it ? [10:41] ttoine: Err... that's very strange. [10:42] even with keychain activated, bzr is still looking for the gnome-keyring key [10:42] ttoine: It is still, after all, the default interactive shell for users of Ubuntu and related. [10:42] but still the wrong file [10:42] yes [10:42] but is it a mess to use and setup [10:43] ttoine: Yes, but you should set up the keychain, disable gnome-keyring-daemon, reboot and make sure keychain finds your keys, and _then_ try bzr again. [10:43] perhaps it is a bug of xubuntu or ubuntu studio ? [10:43] ttoine: Which release are you using? [10:43] I installed the daily build yesterday [10:43] and updated this morning [10:45] Right. Do `ls -all | grep bash` and pastebin that here, please. I'll be moving to jussi's place now, back in an hour or so. [10:45] ttoine: Do that in your home, of course. [10:46] http://pastebin.com/misfh6SQ [10:47] astraljava, ok. I did it in my home, as you will see [10:48] ttoine: Yeah, so the file is there. [10:48] Ok, I'm offline for an hour or so. [10:48] yes, I created it [10:48] ok [11:51] Right, if you add that stuff to the file now, disable gnome-keyring-daemon, reboot, will it work then? [11:57] len: one reason for one of the recent respins was due to something you had pointed out; setting the cdimage = "BETA" [12:08] for those interested in seeing the "Beta 2 Tecnical Overview" for studio: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview#Ubuntu_Studio [12:09] and the "known issues" section as well: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview#Ubuntu_Studio-1 [12:09] [12:09] astraljava, yeahhhhhhh thanks. I just had to find a tip to disable gnome-keyring daemon and now I can do a launchpad-login with bzr !!* [12:09] so now, what is the next step ??? [12:10] next thing i'll move onto is some PR for beta2 [12:10] i have hesitated to do this before becase the image was so unstable and lacked function [12:10] if anyone else interested in helping with PR that would be great, i have a list of suggested place to post/email/talk about our great upcoming release and welcome any further suggestions [12:11] scott-work, if you are still nearby, I just would like to ask you where I should report that logo in the top left corner (the panel menu icon) has a black background and has not the same background color than the panel itself. Is ok, is it a bug ? maybe is it possible to edit the picture file with a transparent background ? [12:12] ttoine: So next you `apt-get source ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu`, and follow the steps on that page that I linked you to. [12:12] ttoine: that is strange (and i noticed it as well) but i did make the background with transparancy [12:13] ttoine: i wanted to investigate, but will do so later [12:13] however, if someone wanted to get the package source and look, that would be helpful [12:14] scott-work, astraljava is trying to teach me the basics of package modification, debdiff etc... [12:14] maybe I can do that. what is the name of the package ? [12:15] ttoine: that is outstandingly excellent! i'm glad others are learning these valuable tools [12:15] the name of the package is ubuntustudio-default-settings [12:15] the menu is now in that package and the icon should be under the pixmaps directory [12:15] i'll check quickly [12:17] * scott-work is checking location only right now, he's on a windows machine at work :( [12:17] okay, the menu logo image is in usr/share/pixmaps/ubuntustudio-logo-menu.png [12:18] ttoine: Let me know how you progress when you're following the steps in 'Creating A Debdiff'. [12:21] astraljava, so actually I replace the file in the sources with the one I translated and follow the steps to create the debdiff. right ? [12:22] scott-work, please, don't complain you have a job ;-) [12:24] ttoine: i meant more that i'm sad because i'm on a windows machine (which is a offshoot of being at work) [12:24] scott-work, where can I find a svg logo ? the current one has a black background [12:25] scott-work, ok. so you don't work with Linux desktops. I missed that point, sorry [12:26] ttoine: in the same directory there is ubuntustudio-logo.svg [12:26] i'm pretty sure that is the name, but there shoudl be an .svg file [12:28] ok [12:30] ttoine: Yes that's right. [12:33] scott-work, there is a bug with the theme in Inkscape : the edition background is gray, instead of being white... [12:38] astraljava, do I need to change the maintener name ?? [12:40] ttoine: No, you don't change that, you only have your name in the changelog entry. [12:49] astraljava, I may have miss a thing : I have an error with signing... [12:52] will do it without signing it [12:54] ttoine: i'm not sure what you are telling me about the gray vs white background [12:55] ttoine: are you saying that inkscape has a bug that renders things inccorect or that the .svg file is broken due to a bug [13:00] scott-work, sorry, I find the problem. It is because in the svg file parameters, the background color was filed with a non transparent gray. so at the export it was a problem. I will save the svg file and the 2 png files and try to make a debdiff [13:00] ttoine: okay, i understand, thank you :) [13:03] scott-work should I change only ubuntustudio-logo-menu.png or ubuntustudio-logo.png too ? [13:05] ttoine: What's the error? It's about not finding your GPG key, have you created one? [13:05] It's probably about* [13:05] it is about a gpg key, yes. but is it not the same than the ssh key ?? [13:06] ttoine: No, those are two separate things. [13:07] astraljava, ok... I will create a gpg key. You prefer that I sign the package and debdiff, so ?? [13:14] ttoine: It's just good practice if you're going to participate in *ubuntu development in the future, good to start using it from Day 1 already. :) [13:14] ok, so I will do my work again once the gpg key is generated [13:15] scott-work: There's still the dash between Ubuntu and Studio in the slideshow. [13:15] ttoine: You only have to redo the debuild part. [13:19] astraljava, yes, I already guessed that point [13:22] ttoine: i would fix them all, if you don't mind [13:22] astraljava: are you and ttoine updating the package already? can you fix that as well? [13:23] scott-work: I can look into it, sure. [13:23] astraljava: i ask because i don't have upload rights to that package and i would have to do the same work you are doing as well [13:23] i.e. getting pasi or someone else to upload my branch of it [13:23] scott-work: Alright, no problem. [13:25] file a UIFe with a link to the fixing commit, handle the freeze exception, and i can upload the change [13:25] scott-work: Apparently it's not in that package, so it can be done in a separate upload. [13:26] astraljava: really? which slide (or file name) is it in? [13:26] it = "extra dash between ubuntu and studio" [13:29] scott-work: It's actually before the slideshow, I presume. But it's not in ubiquity package either. I'm gonna have to do more investigation on this one. [13:29] scott-work : should I fix only the ubuntustudio-logo-menu.png ? or maybe I put a transparent background to ubuntustudio-logo.png and to ubuntustudio-logo.svg ?? [13:29] astraljava: can you get a screen shot, i'm very confused on where this could be [13:29] ttoine: i would put the transparency in all the files please [13:29] ttoine, if you update PNG's, please export them from the svg sources, where possible [13:30] knome: perhaps i did need your tutelage for the transparencies after all :P [13:30] heh [13:30] scott-work: http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/us_precise_dash-and-xubuntu-logo.png [13:31] hmm. [13:31] i wonder if that dash has to do something with the disk name [13:31] i mean, technical name [13:31] doesn't drives have labels [13:31] astraljava: sorry my friend, i understand now [13:31] knome: It's possible, as that string can't be found easily in any of the most obvious packages. [13:31] i think knome is rigth [13:32] astraljava, so now I have the debdiff for the slideshow. what should I do ? [13:32] astraljava: i'm sure colin has it to read the image name to make the code easier and more flexible [13:32] just like he does with the image apparently [13:32] ttoine: Great! Now you file a bug against the package, and attach the debdiff as a patch in it. [13:33] scott-work, knome ok I will do that and generate the debdiff. I let you know when it is ready, so then you can tell me what the best to get it fixed [13:33] scott-work: Right, so I should go talk to him about it. [13:33] ttoine, what is it you are fixing anyway? :) [13:35] knome, the background of the logo in the top left corner [13:35] astraljava, should I use ubuntu-bug command ? because I can't find a way to report a bug on launchpad... [13:35] astraljava: maybe knome can offer some insight, but i worry about timing, should we wait until either after beta2 is officially released or even until next cycle? [13:35] astraljava, forget my question [13:35] ideally i would like this fixed for precise, however [13:38] scott-work, I check the "this attachement is a patch" with the debdiff ? [13:38] ttoine: i believe you should [13:39] done [13:40] astraljava, scott-work it is bug #967138 for slideshow [13:40] Launchpad bug 967138 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Studio fr.po is not translated in french" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967138 [13:41] wow , impressive... [13:43] scott-work, can you add me to the ubuntu studio developper so I can assign the patch to us ? [13:46] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntustudio [13:47] the translation deadlines aren't passed yet [13:47] scott-work: I filed bug 967140 as per Colin's request. It might not get done, though, as you said, it is derived from the cdimage. [13:47] Launchpad bug 967140 in Ubuntu CD Images "Ubuntu Studio branding problem; name spelled with a dash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967140 [13:57] astraljava, gpg don't want to work. How can I check that the key I generated is available ? [13:58] ttoine: You need to have your credentials for DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME exactly like you had them when creating the key. [13:59] ttoine: i have had trouble with launchpad not recognizing my gpg key but it was due in part to my ssh key i believe (this may be horribly, horribly incorrect) [13:59] i this i had to generate a new one [13:59] s/this/think [14:00] ttoine: i believe i have added you to the -dev group [14:01] #967160 [14:01] astraljava: i will add background image and icon to the branding bug report [14:01] scott-work: Depends. If you're using LP with bzr, it only cares about your SSH. [14:02] bug #967160 [14:02] Launchpad bug 967160 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu) "The logo background is not transparent" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967160 [14:07] Ooh! Love the background, absolutely LOVE IT! [14:08] ttoine: I do have a template .bashrc on a fresh install from yesterday's image, so something was f*cked on yours. [14:09] astraljava, perhaps, yes... [14:10] astraljava, I figured that I didn't attached my new pg key to my launchpad account. I did it, now waiting for the confirmation email. [14:10] scott-work, thanks for addind me. I assigned ubuntu studio devel to the 2 bugs [14:11] ttoine: Yes, but debuild doesn't check the key from LP, it checks against the environment variables DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME. [14:11] astraljava, thanks a lot for taking time teaching me how to do that kind of stuff [14:11] hum, and how do I set debemail and debfullname ??? [14:11] ttoine: No problem, glad to have more contributors on the project. :) [14:12] astraljava, and I a Ubuntu Studio developper again, many years after being one of the early ;-) [14:13] ttoine: It's best to add them into your .bashrc, as lines: export DEBEMAIL='' and export DEBFULLNAME='' [14:14] ttoine: I know, makes me happy that you've come back. :) [14:14] * abogani is happy too [14:14] scott-work, let me know if I can do other things like that. I have a lot of time for a couple of weeks [14:15] astraljava, maybe I did a mistakes with real name and my nickname, something like that [14:17] tomorrow, I will try to generate new ssh and gpg keys with checked information and see if it works better [14:28] astraljava: which background? the desktop? [14:29] * scott-work is happy that abogani is happy :) [14:29] * ttoine is happy that everybody is happy [14:42] scott-work: Yeah. [14:44] astraljava: the lightdm-theme wasn't uploaded, which used the same image for the lightdm background as well [14:46] astraljava: i kinda liked that look, gave it a very contiguous look [14:47] astraljava: my thought would be to not use the *exact* image however, but perhaps add "ubuntu studio 12.04 (LTS?)" on top of the lightdm background in the bottom left [14:57] * abogani has prepared a new lowlatency kernel: [14:57] 1) Rebased on latest generic kernel [14:57] 2) Reworked UKT changes to make kernel git rebase-able [14:57] 3) Re-enabled specific lowlatency kernel configuration [14:57] scott-work: Why not, sounds good to me. [14:58] abogani: Nice! Will you let Luke know, or want us to do it? [14:59] I'll let TheMuso know when I'll have uploaded those bits in my git tree. In this way he could decide if accept changes. [15:00] abogani: Excellent. Thanks so much! [15:05] TheMuso: Could you review my changes in my git tree (binary is available at https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/broken/+packages), please? [15:06] TheMuso: I can change again to recovery your commits. I removed those only for time constraints. [15:08] TheMuso: Thanks in advance. [15:19] astraljava, just to know because I know I can't do more, can you tell me the way in order that the fix I did are available in the updated packages ? [15:31] ttoine: I think we should ping micahg to verify the fix, and then approve and upload it. [15:32] ...which I just did. [15:32] *grin* [15:32] astraljava: what fix? [15:33] micahg: bug #967138 [15:33] Launchpad bug 967138 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Studio fr.po is not translated in french" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967138 [15:33] * micahg would think that's translated in LP [15:34] micahg: Hmmm... I did look at the package source in LP, but didn't see any mention of translations there. [15:34] oh, right, that doesn't quite make sense :) [15:34] I can check again. [15:35] it should go into the main branch for it and then uploaded, but I think this is too late for beta 2 [15:35] you can subscribe ubuntu-sponsors for that one [15:36] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [15:36] again [15:41] re: translations for the slideshow: [15:41] 18:40 stgraber: people NEED to translate on LP, translations done directly in the branch are usually lost [15:41] should I subscribe ubuntu-sponsors or is it already done by someone ? [15:42] astraljava, micahg, and what about bug #967160 ? [15:42] Launchpad bug 967160 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu) "The logo background is not transparent" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967160 [15:42] knome, what is LP ? [15:42] ttoine, LP == launchpad [15:42] knome, what should I do ?? [15:42] ttoine, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [15:43] ttoine, open the ubuntustudio template [15:43] ttoine, select language [15:43] ttoine, translate [15:47] ttoine: that one astraljava can commit if he approves and we can upload after beta 2 [15:47] he has some other fixes for that package as well [15:48] micahg, knome, ok [15:48] I am on [15:56] astraljava, ? [15:58] ScottL, ? [16:03] astraljava, knome, scott-work, micahg, french translation done on Launchpad for Slideshow [16:03] Is there any other package for Ubuntu Studio to translate ?? [16:03] ttoine, okay, now poke somebody responsible for the french translations [16:03] ttoine, (to *accept* the translations) [16:04] knome, when you mean somebody... who ? somebody of the french translation team, for example ? [16:05] ttoine, yes [16:05] ttoine, at least they can point you to the right direction if not else :) [16:05] ttoine, once you do that and the translations are accepted, they should be in with the next upload [16:07] knome, ok thanks. I have asked to join the french translation team. I will try to see where I can "poke" someone [16:08] ttoine: #ubuntu-translations, maybe #ubuntu-fr [16:08] micahg, ok [16:09] micahg, #ubuntu-translations is empty [16:10] oops [16:11] #ubuntu-translators maybe [17:34] bon appétit !