[00:07] <c_smith> Hello, I'm wondering, has anyone else here had issues that I should know of before I install Gwibber?
[00:07] <c_smith> in Xubuntu 11.10, that is.
[00:21] <nabukadnezar43> hello i just install compiz on xubuntu 11.10
[00:21] <nabukadnezar43> i ran "compiz --replace ccp" and now i don't have any windows borders / titlebars
[00:21] <nabukadnezar43> any idea how to fix this?
[00:24] <c_smith> nabukadnezar43, I wouldn't recommend Compiz myself to anyone, it hasn't had enough development. as for your window problem, give me a second, I'm sure I can get something to help you.
[00:24] <nabukadnezar43> xfwm4 --replace solves it but i get compiz disabled
[00:25] <c_smith> nabukadnezar43, looks like XFCE doesn't play nice with Compiz.
[00:25] <c_smith> nabukadnezar43, not to be mean, but you might try going without Compiz, it's been getting in a worse and worse state lately.
[00:26] <c_smith> Unity doesn't play that nice with certain compiz effects in fact, even though Unity is currently just a Compiz plugin.
[01:44] <uBUXUBu> good evening purveyors of goodwill...
[02:12] <jlkkljh> i only see a black screen what do i do
[02:12] <jlkkljh> ???????????
[02:14] <jlkkljh> hello?
[02:15] <uBUXUBu> what did you do leading up to the black screen jlkkljh ?
[02:15] <jlkkljh> sorry i had to take pills
[02:16] <uBUXUBu> you took pills, which lead to a black scren?
[02:16] <uBUXUBu> screen*
[02:17] <jlkkljh> but anyways i just installed and it did install bc it showed the installer after i rebooted
[02:17] <jlkkljh> lol
[02:17] <jlkkljh> nice joke
[02:17] <uBUXUBu> did u install from cd
[02:17] <jlkkljh> no
[02:17] <uBUXUBu> usb
[02:18] <jlkkljh> no wubi outside windows
[02:19] <Unit193> Well, are there any error messages? "Black screen" doesn't really say much.
[02:19] <jlkkljh> i opened wubi inside win xp
[02:19] <jlkkljh> but installed as a boot option
[02:20] <jlkkljh> xbuntu that is
[02:20] <jlkkljh> xubuntu*
[02:21] <uBUXUBu>     Fully de-install Wubi,
[02:21] <uBUXUBu>     Turn off Windows completely (pull it out from power source for at least 10 seconds, in your case take off the battery too for at least 30 seconds),    reboot,    re-install Wubi from zero.
[02:22] <jlkkljh> ok ill try that
[02:22] <uBUXUBu> if all u get is black screen...u really don't have many options...
[02:23] <uBUXUBu> but i would get a fresh download of wubi too
[02:23] <jlkkljh> how do i set it to where it does  not have a set
[02:24] <jlkkljh> i cant think of what its called
[02:24] <uBUXUBu> wubi is automated
[02:24] <jlkkljh> i wish i knew
[02:24] <uBUXUBu> there is very lil decision making
[02:24] <uBUXUBu> use 32 bit
[02:24] <jlkkljh> no i know that but, like after install and yes
[02:25] <uBUXUBu> are you afraid to partion and install?
[02:25] <jlkkljh> i already have
[02:26] <jlkkljh> im planning on uninstalling win xp
[02:26] <jlkkljh> and installing
[02:26] <jlkkljh> xubuntu
[02:26] <jlkkljh> where it was
[02:26] <jlkkljh> and then merging ?the two
[02:26] <uBUXUBu> wubi just runs buntu out of a folder...using a loop or virtual partition.
[02:26] <jlkkljh> ?????????idk
[02:27] <uBUXUBu> pleas etell us about your hardware
[02:27] <jlkkljh> ill tell ya my model #
[02:27] <jlkkljh> 510sp
[02:27] <jlkkljh> 510            s             p
[02:27] <jlkkljh> *
[02:27] <uBUXUBu> ummm i need all of it
[02:28] <jlkkljh> thai is all of it
[02:28] <jlkkljh> search it in pc mag or something
[02:29] <uBUXUBu> for example u might say......hp pavilion dv608nr notebook 1.8 turion dual core, 256mb onboard graphics geforce go 6150 2 gig ram 160 hd x5400rpm
[02:29] <jlkkljh> oooh
[02:29] <jlkkljh> ummm
[02:29] <uBUXUBu> sheez
[02:29] <jlkkljh> ht pentium 4 processor
[02:29] <uBUXUBu> also i need to know how much available space u have on the hd
[02:30] <jlkkljh> i installed on a 15 gb
[02:30] <uBUXUBu> i need all the specs
[02:30] <jlkkljh> i no
[02:30] <jlkkljh> im getting there
[02:30] <jlkkljh> 1 gig ram
[02:31] <jlkkljh> idk harddrive
[02:31] <jlkkljh> hang on
[02:31] <uBUXUBu> u must know how much space is left
[02:31] <uBUXUBu> start, rt click my computer, c drive (if its doze)
[02:32] <jlkkljh> i installed on all of the space that was left
[02:32] <uBUXUBu> but how much space is left over the primary OS
[02:32] <jlkkljh> 15 gb
[02:32] <uBUXUBu> ok
[02:32] <uBUXUBu> so if its a p4 with HT
[02:32] <uBUXUBu> it has to be at least 2.8 g cpu
[02:32] <jlkkljh> yes
[02:33] <uBUXUBu> ok
[02:33] <jlkkljh> but define ht
[02:33] <uBUXUBu> hyperthreading
[02:33] <jlkkljh> ok
[02:33] <jlkkljh> ok
[02:33] <jlkkljh> ki get it
[02:33] <uBUXUBu> its a single core that can run 2 threads at once
[02:33] <uBUXUBu> kinda a early dual core
[02:34] <uBUXUBu> anyways...tell me about the graphics
[02:34] <jlkkljh> ok
[02:34] <jlkkljh> how do you check
[02:34] <uBUXUBu> dowload cpuz
[02:34] <uBUXUBu> its tiny
[02:34] <uBUXUBu> and uses next to nuthing when u run it
[02:34] <uBUXUBu> or maybe device manager
[02:35] <jlkkljh> ok ill need to plug in and start up
[02:35] <jlkkljh> itas booting
[02:35] <uBUXUBu> wait let me check something
[02:36] <uBUXUBu> do u have ccleaner installed by chance it spells out the graphics too
[02:36] <jlkkljh> kk
[02:36] <jlkkljh> no
[02:36] <uBUXUBu> well ok
[02:37] <jlkkljh> hang on i might
[02:37] <uBUXUBu> well anyway an p4 with HT and a gig a ram is ok
[02:37] <jlkkljh> ok thats good
[02:38] <uBUXUBu> in fact
[02:38] <uBUXUBu> i have a 3.4 HT p4 like that with buntu on it beside xp pro
[02:39] <uBUXUBu> runs good but i think wubi would run very slow i stuffed on its own 20 gig partition
[02:39] <jlkkljh> i just got it installed and after it fully finished it turned black
[02:39] <jlkkljh> thats what i did on a 15
[02:39] <jlkkljh> gig
[02:41] <uBUXUBu> i thought u used wubi?
[02:41] <jlkkljh> but once i get this ubuntu install working ill uninstall/format xp and then install
[02:41] <jlkkljh> i did
[02:41] <uBUXUBu> and i think they want 20 gig partition too not sure
[02:41] <uBUXUBu> listen
[02:42] <jlkkljh> but it is a boot option
[02:42] <jlkkljh> ok
[02:42] <uBUXUBu> never iinstall buntu AFTER doze
[02:42] <jlkkljh> doze?????????????/
[02:42] <uBUXUBu> what is your primary OS
[02:42] <jlkkljh> xp
[02:43] <jlkkljh> im going to change that thou
[02:43] <uBUXUBu> do u have your OS backed up and all your files?
[02:43] <jlkkljh> no
[02:43] <jlkkljh> i dont want xp anymore
[02:43] <jlkkljh> at all
[02:44] <uBUXUBu> but do u have backups just in case
[02:44] <jlkkljh> plus if i need xp back i have an xp pro install cd
[02:44] <uBUXUBu> and drivers?
[02:44] <uBUXUBu> which are easy to get usually
[02:44] <uBUXUBu> do u have all your files backed up/
[02:44] <jlkkljh> yes
[02:45] <chelz> jlkkljh: double sure?
[02:45] <chelz> double extra super sure?
[02:45] <jlkkljh> i dont have anything important
[02:45] <uBUXUBu> so now u are saying u want 1 OS and u want it to be buntu on the entire drive?
[02:45] <jlkkljh> but drivers i meant
[02:45] <jlkkljh> yes
[02:46] <jlkkljh> i need all the help i can get thou
[02:46] <jlkkljh> on the whole thing
[02:46] <uBUXUBu> well installing buntu as the primary OS is usually very simple but it will CLEAN WIPE all the data u have on the computer.
[02:46] <jlkkljh> ok thats fine
[02:47] <uBUXUBu> windows will be gone all the drivers gone all of your pics musics etc...poof
[02:47] <jlkkljh> im on a different comp now so its fine
[02:47] <uBUXUBu> but if thats what u want just make sure the bios is set to boot from cd
[02:47] <jlkkljh> i have music on a diff drive bc of a hacker
[02:47] <uBUXUBu> or u said usb
[02:48] <jlkkljh> i cant boot from usb
[02:48] <uBUXUBu> can u burn cd's
[02:48] <jlkkljh> no
[02:49] <uBUXUBu> then maybe ur stuck downloading wubi
[02:49] <jlkkljh> it says unable to complete format every time
[02:49] <jlkkljh> i am
[02:49] <jlkkljh> what if i hack my own computer
[02:49] <uBUXUBu> i would run some tests like mem test
[02:49] <uBUXUBu> haha ur goofin off now ok cya
[02:49] <jlkkljh> like on an ftp server
[02:50] <jlkkljh> i know how to hack
[02:50]  * uBUXUBu gets hungry and hacks a grapefruit....
[02:50] <jlkkljh> lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
[02:50] <jlkkljh> seriously
[02:50] <jlkkljh> i do
[02:51] <jlkkljh> on an ftp only tho
[02:51] <jlkkljh> but i mean like
[02:51] <jlkkljh> hack step 1
[02:51] <jlkkljh> format step 2
[02:51] <uBUXUBu> sounds like ur all hacked up now
[02:51] <jlkkljh> install from ftp
[02:51] <chelz> install from
[02:52] <chelz> usb
[02:52] <jlkkljh> i cant
[02:52] <jlkkljh> step 3
[02:52] <chelz> why not cd then?
[02:52] <jlkkljh> step 4 use ubuntu
[02:52] <chelz> also google for install guides. there are full youtube vids on installs
[02:52] <chelz> fire up gparted from a livecd, delete everything
[02:53] <chelz> well you need to somehow burn+boot a cd, boot usb, or boot floppy
[02:53] <uBUXUBu> lets face it the whole install thing is not the issue buntu install (cleaan wipers) basically are fully automated u can hardly miss unless u have a hardware problem or a bas check sum
[02:53] <chelz> go to a local lug and they'll hook you up with some CDs
[02:53] <jlkkljh> i can format from cd but i cant burn
[02:54] <chelz> jlkkljh: why can't you burn? do you have a cd burner?
[02:54] <jlkkljh> no
[02:54] <jlkkljh> i dont even have a walkman
[02:54] <chelz> jlkkljh: do you have a floppy drive and a floppy?
[02:54] <jlkkljh> yes
[02:54] <jlkkljh> kinda
[02:54] <chelz> wait actually
[02:55] <jlkkljh> my olargest floppy is 1.44 mb
[02:55] <jlkkljh> largest*
[02:55] <chelz> jlkkljh: so you only have xp installed atm?
[02:55] <jlkkljh> and xubuntu
[02:56] <jlkkljh> acpi workariunds
[02:56] <jlkkljh> thats the only option that will boot
[02:56] <chelz> jlkkljh: so you have xubuntu. good.
[02:56] <uBUXUBu> xp and xubuntu are good OS's for your hardware why are u changing
[02:57] <jlkkljh> but a black screen pops up and then it freezes
[02:57] <chelz> jlkkljh: did it work before?
[02:57] <jlkkljh> on xubuntu
[02:57] <jlkkljh> it has never fully installed
[02:58] <uBUXUBu> which edition of xubunto
[02:58] <jlkkljh> this is the first time it has done a full install
[02:58] <uBUXUBu> xubuntu
[02:58] <jlkkljh> 11.10
[02:58] <chelz> jlkkljh: what did you use to install xubuntu?
[02:58] <jlkkljh> wibe chelz
[02:58] <uBUXUBu> one thing i noticed on my ole p4...it loved xubuntu 9.04 and 10.04
[02:58] <chelz> wubi?
[02:59] <jlkkljh> wubi*
[02:59] <jlkkljh> yes
[02:59] <jlkkljh> from inside win xp
[02:59] <uBUXUBu> i thought wubi wa ubuntu not xubuntu?
[02:59] <uBUXUBu> was*
[03:00] <chelz> you can choose the desktop env you want in the install
[03:00] <chelz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=wubi-123.png
[03:00] <chelz> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide
[03:00] <jlkkljh> it is xubuntu/ubuntu/mythbuntu/kubuntu
[03:00] <jlkkljh> i have tried them all
[03:00] <chelz> jlkkljh: well if you can find a way to partition your hdd you can 'burn' an iso to that partition and tell grub to boot from it
[03:01] <chelz> or setup a floppy so that it can let you boot usb
[03:01] <chelz> then boot from usb that way
[03:01] <jlkkljh> this is the only one that gets close
[03:02] <chelz> jlkkljh: you might try lubuntu, but i'd try a xubuntu floppy+usb first
[03:02] <jlkkljh> my largest floppy is 1.44 mb
[03:02] <chelz> you could also order a xubuntu disc
[03:03] <chelz> jlkkljh: that works fine
[03:03] <chelz> you just use the floppy to boot from a larger usb drive
[03:03] <chelz> 1.44 MB floppy then loads a 1+ GB usb
[03:04] <uBUXUBu> i just read this......If you experience problems after installation, press "Ctrl+Alt+F2" and run:
[03:04] <uBUXUBu> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:04] <uBUXUBu> Select the VESA driver and leave all other options at default. Then reboot. That will allow you to boot into a safe graphics mode (limited resolution) you should then be able to install the appropriate drivers or try other solutions as needed.
[03:04] <jlkkljh> can chelz tell me how to boot a floppy that ok
[03:05] <jlkkljh> boots from a usb
[03:05] <jlkkljh> anyone i guess
[03:05] <jlkkljh> like send me the code
[03:05] <jlkkljh> in here
[03:06] <jlkkljh> vesa driver ???????????????????????? say every thing in plain english/ walk me through it
[03:07] <uBUXUBu> im reading the wubi wiki stuff now...
[03:07] <jlkkljh> ok thank you
[03:07] <uBUXUBu> lots of info there
[03:08] <chelz> jlkkljh: what OS are you on now?
[03:08] <jlkkljh> much*
[03:08] <jlkkljh> huch*
[03:08] <jlkkljh> im not one to read that muck
[03:08] <jlkkljh> xp
[03:08] <jlkkljh> im on a different comp tho
[03:09] <jlkkljh> brb for a sec
[03:11] <jlkkljh> ok im back
[03:13] <uBUXUBu> any chance your hard needs a good defrag?
[03:13] <uBUXUBu> its a good idea to defrag before wubi
[03:13] <jlkkljh> i do it every day from cmd too
[03:14] <uBUXUBu> ok
[03:14] <chelz> jlkkljh: i'd say either read up on making a grub bootfloppy or order a cd
[03:14] <chelz> there are places that send you one for $3 or so
[03:14] <lighta> is someone using netbeans here ?
[03:15] <uBUXUBu> i think uninstall wubi and reinstall it use 10.04 if u can this time and try the ubuntu version instead of xubuntu maybe htere are more drivers in it
[03:15] <chelz> jlkkljh: or go to a local computer cafe or repair shop and someone there will have a cd burner
[03:15] <chelz> wubi is basically going to be a little unstable. normal install is best
[03:16] <jlkkljh> how do i install 10.04 wubi
[03:16] <uBUXUBu> see if its a choice on the drop down menu
[03:16] <jlkkljh>  / wheredo i get it
[03:16] <jlkkljh> it is only 10.04
[03:16] <jlkkljh> 11.10
[03:16] <jlkkljh> ]*
[03:17] <jlkkljh> *
[03:17] <jlkkljh> what is grub anyway
[03:19] <jlkkljh> and it is trying to boot recovery mode
[03:19] <uBUXUBu> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[03:19] <uBUXUBu> when u see the 11.10 download u can do a screen drop down and 10.04 LTS is right there
[03:20] <uBUXUBu> id use that one and leave it as ubuntu
[03:20] <uBUXUBu> i have that one on a p4 right now
[03:20] <uBUXUBu> with xp pro beside it
[03:20] <jlkkljh> ok ill try that
[03:20] <jlkkljh> i have xp pro already
[03:20] <uBUXUBu> but do a good uninstall and deffrag
[03:21] <uBUXUBu> 1st and make sure u have all ur backups
[03:21] <chelz> jlkkljh: if you can, you can repartition and use unetbootin to put an iso on a partition then boot from that
[03:21] <uBUXUBu> i mean i like to partition and install better but u are u saying u cannot do that atm
[03:21] <chelz> things get really tricky when you can't boot from cd/usb overall
[03:22] <jlkkljh> would cc cleanerwork to defrag if i do  every option
[03:22] <chelz> jlkkljh: nope, you go to programs accessories
[03:23] <jlkkljh> i installed as a boot optiion
[03:23] <jlkkljh> that wont work chelz
[03:23] <jlkkljh> i have to go through cmd
[03:26] <chelz> http://www.tuxradar.com/answers/524
[03:27] <chelz> just to do a boot floppy you have to edit a grub config (menu.lst), and that's not super easy for a newbie
[03:27] <chelz> same with repartitioning
[03:27] <chelz> ordering a cd is easiest
[03:33] <jlkkljh> ok thx ill try that
[03:35] <_pg_> is there an easy way to get smb working on xubuntu?
[03:35] <_pg_> everything ive tried so far is nightmarish
[04:40] <max4men> hi
[04:41] <max4men> tell me how to disable autorun applications
[04:41] <max4men> are not closed after leaving the session?
[04:50] <max4men> No one knows?
[04:52] <chelz> max4men: what is an example application you want to disable?
[04:57] <max4men> Well see, for example, sitting at the computer, open the application. turn off the computer, turn on, and those applications that were open automatically run
[05:01] <chelz> max4men: ah yeah that's xubuntu's session feature
[05:02] <chelz> its in the options somewhere
[05:02] <max4men> I understand, but you can disable it like?
[05:03] <chelz> you can
[05:03] <chelz> it can be done
[05:18] <max4men> hm
[05:19] <max4men> just wondering how to do it
[05:40] <chelz> i'm gonna see if i can find it
[05:45] <chelz> max4men: menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> General (tab) -> "Automatically save session on logout"
[05:45] <chelz> make sure that's unchecked
[05:46] <max4men> unchecked
[05:46] <max4men> it ferst that i check
[05:46] <chelz> max4men: was it unchecked before?
[05:47] <chelz> also check the autostartup tab
[05:47] <chelz> and remove the stuff you don't want to start. it could have a session saved from before
[05:50] <chelz> btw unrelated but something pretty neat, to stop xfce and stop it from starting automatically:
[05:50] <chelz> sudo service lightdm stop && sudo dpkg-divert --rename --add /etc/init/lightdm.conf
[05:50] <chelz> then to reverse that:
[05:50] <chelz> sudo dpkg-divert --rename --remove /etc/init/lightdm.conf && sudo service lightdm start
[05:51] <chelz> i'm working in VMs right now and it's nice to free up resources like that
[05:52] <max4men> you have it worked?
[05:53] <chelz> max4men: stopping xfce or stopping autostart stuff?
[05:53] <chelz> you should check the autostart tab in settings, that stuff above was for stopping xfce
[05:55] <max4men> stopping autostart stuff
[05:55] <chelz> max4men: look in the autostart tab in menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager
[05:55] <chelz> it's a tab
[05:56] <chelz> er
[05:56] <chelz> settings manager then session and stuff
[05:57] <chelz> http://docs.xfce.org/_media/xfce/xfce4-session/xfce4-session-preferences-general.png
[05:57] <chelz> max4men: "Application Autostart"
[05:57] <chelz> also "session" tab
[05:57] <chelz> clear saved sessions maybe
[05:58] <max4men> хз
[05:58] <max4men> sorry
[05:58] <max4men> don't know,
[05:59] <max4men> will be googl'ить
[05:59] <max4men> ))
[06:13] <chelz> max4men: might try deleting your session files
[06:14] <chelz> earlier in here someone said they thought it's in ~/.cache
[06:16] <max4men> try
[06:17] <max4men> but first try it
[06:17] <max4men> http://forum.ubuntu.ru/index.php?topic=32871.0
[06:18] <max4men> the point is that all would first off, save, and then uncheck autosave
[06:18] <chelz> alright
[06:28] <uBUXUBu> good morning xubuntu technicians!
[07:59] <BlakJak> ullo xubuntu types. Got a bug or issue with the panel in 12.04b1 ... it wont auto hide properly
[13:14] <plouffe> I just updated to xubuntu 11.04, and I cannot figure out how to turn off the autohide of panels. I hope this is still an option?
[13:15] <GridCube> plouffe, yes it is
[13:15] <plouffe> How do I turn it off?
[13:16] <GridCube> plouffe, go to the panel >right clic >panel(submenu) >preferences(sp?) >uncheck autohide
[13:17] <plouffe> I have three tabs, Display Appearance Items. No autohide option anywhere
[13:17] <plouffe> In Displayit says Automatically show and hide the panel, but that isn't checked
[13:18] <plouffe> I tried checking it before, it didn't change anything, now I unchecked it again
[13:18] <GridCube> plouffe, are those the options for the panel you want to not hide? see if choosing a different number of panel does it
[13:19] <plouffe> It's the correct panel. I have only one panel
[13:19] <plouffe> Panel 1
[13:19] <GridCube> then it should not hide
[13:20] <plouffe> but it does
[13:22] <plouffe> it even hides when I click on the program launcher. Shows only the program launcher, panel is gone
[13:22] <GridCube> plouffe, http://imagebin.org/205553
[13:23] <GridCube> its in spanish but its fairly clair
[13:24] <plouffe> Those are my settings, except it's horizontal
[13:25] <plouffe> I'll try a reboot
[13:26] <plouffe> and now I get the grub prompt again
[13:27] <GridCube> grub prompt
[13:27] <plouffe> yea, after this stupid upgrade grub was broken
[13:27] <GridCube> ¡?
[13:28] <GridCube> oh
[13:28] <GridCube> what happens if you do a sudo update-grub
[13:28] <plouffe> yea I do that now
[13:28] <GridCube> or it was grub-update...
[13:29] <plouffe> but the panel is still autohiding
[13:29] <GridCube> mmm
[13:29] <GridCube> knome, what files remember the panel configurations? i mean the ones you can delete and when you log back in they get regenerated?
[13:30] <knome> don't know
[13:30] <GridCube> mmm
[13:30] <knome> ~/.config/xfce4/panel ?
[13:30] <plouffe> thanks
[13:32] <plouffe> it says "autohide" value="0"
[13:33] <plouffe> I cannot find that problem described on google
[13:36] <GridCube> plouffe, you did an upgrade from xfce 4.6 to 4.8, the config files are different and you need new ones
[13:37] <GridCube> delete the ones you have now and relogin
[13:37] <GridCube> stuff should work
[13:37] <plouffe> It offered a "Migrate old config" option
[13:37] <GridCube> yeah, i don't know about that,
[13:37] <plouffe> but if I delete them, I'd have to start over ?
[13:38] <GridCube> if by starover you mean reset your panels to the way you like with launchers and stuff then yes
[14:44] <plouffe> GridCube, setting "Opacity > Leave" setting in "Appearance" towards 100 solved it
[14:44] <GridCube> oooo, it did not auto hide, it went transparent
[14:45] <plouffe> it didn't do that before. But anyways, it's fixed
[15:04] <Eric_> Hey guys, anyone know If there is a way to replace xflock with the login screen that appears at boot?
[15:05] <GridCube> Eric_, thats loging out
[15:06] <Eric_> Mmm can that login screen not function as a lock screen as well?
[15:06] <GridCube> it would kill all runing process by the user who unlogs... or thats what i understand
[15:06] <GridCube> Eric_, not that i know off
[15:06] <Eric_> Ah ok, that's what I had read too, thought I would come and check tho
[15:06] <GridCube> Eric_, i don't really know tho
[15:07] <GridCube> im just guessing here
[15:07] <Eric_> Sure sure
[15:07] <Eric_> I just ask bc I feel like other distros lock screens are the same as their login screens
[15:08] <Eric_> Err I guess other desktop environments lock screens ...
[15:11] <Sysi> xscreensaver should iffer logging in as new user
[15:12] <Sysi> login manager itself shouldn't do session locking
[15:19] <Sysi> you can also use gnome-screensaver
[15:31] <Marzata> xscreensaver has new login?
[15:32] <Eric_> I think I have installed gnome overtop of xscreensaver before. But was just curious if I could replace either with login manager. Sounds like the answer is no tho, thanks for the help sysi
[17:10] <jarnos> Can you replace nouveau driver by nv after installation? I don't know if it is driver dependent, but sometimes X takes about all available CPU power.
[17:10] <GridCube> jarnos, yes, just use jockey-gtk and choose the one you like the most
[17:16] <jarnos> GridCube, it offers highly experimental 3D support. nouveau itself is experimental at least for 11.04. Is it still for 12.04? Sad, if there is no stable driver for my old nvidia card.
[17:19] <GridCube> jarnos, i don't know sorry
[17:47] <jarnos> Would nv driver be used if I uninstalled nouveau driver and installed nv driver, then rebooted?
[17:48] <lighta> nv = nvidia ?
[17:48] <lighta> anyway no you need to choose wich driver you'd use after this
[17:50] <jarnos> lighta, how do you choose it? They are both open source drivers.
[17:52] <lighta> hmm I don't recall much jarnos, or it was in additional driver that you were choosing, or it was in package installation that prevent me using both
[17:52] <lighta> atm on additional driver I have many option available for my nvidia, did you try this yet ?
[17:54] <jarnos> lighta, no, I think the offered 3D driver may be even more experimental
[17:54] <jarnos> lighta, yes nv = nvidia
[17:55] <lighta> hmm I dunno if he would recence it if it's even more experimental but I'd try since I do have some experimental version listed here
[17:55] <lighta> otherwise you may take a look at compiz
[18:02] <jarnos> lighta, why would I take a look at compiz?
[18:06] <jarnos> lighta, it works together with video driver and nouveau driver is not on the whitelist for compiz.
[18:08] <lighta> ah ok, well I really dun know how you will select it jarnos, it may be already in used. I sorry I can't help much
[19:23] <ickefes> i guys. i have tried to find a solution but not found it so I ask you now if you know why my xubuntu 12.04 takes minutes to login after i've entered my login data?
[19:23] <ickefes> it takes about 1-2 minutes for the system bar and all other stuff to load.
[19:27] <ickefes> any ideas? i use all the latest updates.
[19:34] <jarnos> ickefes, I guess Xubuntu is not that fast anymore :(
[19:35] <ickefes> it is wierd. when  i first installed the latest official beta it logged in fast but as soon as i installed all updates i became really slow at logging in
[19:36] <jarnos> Here in Xubuntu 11.04 drawing progress bar (e.g  when scaling image in Gimp) makes X take 90% of CPU and I guess it would take more, if there was available.
[19:37] <jarnos> Very slow.
[19:38] <ickefes> hm... strange
[19:39] <TheSheep> jarnos: it's not the drawing of progress bar, it's the scaling that takes that cpu
[19:42] <jarnos> TheSheep, no, X is using the most of CPU resources.
[19:43] <TheSheep> jarnos: it's possible that gimp is calling some x function to do the scaling, is it different with other window managers?
[19:44] <jarnos> TheSheep, I have not tried, but I think it depends on hardware (drivers), like nouveau.
[19:52] <jarnos> TheSheep, it happens with some other software such as grsync as well when displaying progress bar. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grsync/+bug/908283
[19:54] <jarnos> TheSheep, same thing with update manager at least in 11.04.
[19:56] <TheSheep> jarnos: sounds like a bug in gtk
[19:59] <TheSheep> say, is the right-click-on-desktop application menu completely removed in xubuntu precise?
[19:59] <jarnos> TheSheep, anyway it does not slow my laptop that much. Only this older regular PC with nvidia graphics card.
[20:00] <TheSheep> the settings seems to be ignored, the menu doesn't work
[20:00] <TheSheep> calling xfdesktop --menu does show the menu
[20:01] <TheSheep> hmm, switching desktop icons on makes the menu work again
[20:01] <TheSheep> madness
[20:17] <ickefes> hi guys. when i picked kernel 3.0.17 instead of latest 3.0.20 my computer logged in immediately
[20:59] <zmisc> Is Xubuntu pretty open to people wishing to contribute to the project?
[20:59] <TheSheep> zmisc: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[21:00] <zmisc> Thank you, I will do my research and begin.
[21:00] <zmisc> Running development builds is probably a good place to start I'd imagine.
[21:01] <zmisc> I'm decently adapt with Python and PyGTK so I believe I have some ideas I can give a spin.
[21:02] <TheSheep> also join #xubuntu-devel
[21:03] <zmisc> excellent, thank you for pointing me in the right direction
[21:04] <zmisc> This project is completely managed and developed by the community, in comparison to Ubuntu correct?
[21:04] <TheSheep> yes
[21:34] <BlakJak> so.. any idea when the bug causing chromium to crash on first load is likely to be dealt to?
[21:34] <BlakJak> "chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV in gethostbyname2_r()
[21:34] <BlakJak> "
[21:35] <TheSheep> did you report it?
[21:35] <BlakJak> appears to be in 'triaged' state
[21:35] <BlakJak> not sure what that means
[21:39]  * BlakJak does updates
[21:41] <knome> BlakJak, that means somebody has found the bug and a bug triager believes there is enough information to fix the bug
[21:41] <BlakJak> knome: ah, but the fix hasn't been committed yet?
[21:41] <BlakJak> that's encouraging at least :-)
[21:42] <knome> BlakJak, no, most probably nothing has actually been done yet to fix the bug
[21:42] <BlakJak> ah, right.
[21:42] <BlakJak> I suppose i'm becoming impatient as i'm encountering it daily
[21:42] <knome> BlakJak, depending on the bug priority it might be quickly fixed, or maybe not... :)
[21:42] <BlakJak> but i'm running 12.04b1. Suppose I shouldn't complain.
[21:43] <knome> probably not, and in that case there is definitely hope
[21:43] <knome> what's the bug #?
[21:43] <BlakJak> 929219
[21:43] <knome> ubottu, bug 929219
[21:44] <knome> mm-hmm, it's "high" and it has an assignee... definitely hope exists :)
[21:45] <BlakJak> all good
[21:45] <BlakJak> I have one other bug with the panel that's annoying
[21:45] <BlakJak> and one UI shortcoming also with the panel, that's also annoying... but nothing major. pretty happy with xubuntu 12.04.
[21:46] <BlakJak> bug with the panel is that auto-hide seems to randomly stop working
[21:46] <BlakJak> for the 'dock' like panel
[21:46] <knome> have you filed a bug for it?
[21:46] <BlakJak> tbh, i'm not sure how
[21:47] <GridCube> !bugreport
[21:47] <knome> i'm wondering what package that should be...
[21:47] <BlakJak> not even sure what useful keywords i should use when searching to see if it's already there
[21:47] <knome> ubottu, wakey wakey
[21:47] <GridCube> !bug
[21:47] <GridCube> :P lol
[21:47] <BlakJak> ah right. Yes, so which package? :p
[21:48] <knome> i'm wondering if it's an actual bug in the xfce panel, or something else
[21:48] <GridCube> it should be xfwm4
[21:48] <knome> xfwm, not panel?
[21:48] <GridCube> or panels...
[21:49] <knome> hehe, yeah
[21:49] <knome> or, for a weird weird reason, xubuntu-default-settings...
[21:49] <GridCube> ubuntu-bug xfwm4-panel
[21:49] <GridCube> :P
[21:50] <knome> err
[21:50] <knome> xfce4-panel
[21:50] <GridCube> knome, today there where a guy who said that having a different alpha set to the panel made it autohide, i think it should went invisible
[21:50] <GridCube> ah...
[21:50] <GridCube> ;__;
[21:50] <knome> hmm.
[21:50] <knome> weird.
[21:51] <GridCube> but he did a distro-upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04
[21:51] <GridCube> so i blame faulty config files
[21:54] <leo-unglaub> are you running xubuntu with compiz or without?
[21:54] <leo-unglaub> i am just asking because i am interested
[21:55] <GridCube> leo-unglaub, most people run it without, some do run compiz tho
[21:59] <knome> without
[22:00] <knome> i'm in the understanding that if you want to use compiz, you probably want gnome instead of xfce
[22:00] <leo-unglaub> thats exaclty my point, there is one function i realy find useful, but slowing down the system just for one function is hard
[22:01] <leo-unglaub> so i am not sure
[22:01] <knome> maybe there are other ways to get the desired outcome :)
[22:02] <leo-unglaub> i looked and even asked here, but sadly onone was able to help me
[22:02] <leo-unglaub> i am talking about the compiz function where you can draw with the mouse on the desktop
[22:03] <leo-unglaub> thats sooo useful if you give speached
[22:03] <BlakJak> ubuntu-bug xfwm4-panel
[22:03] <BlakJak> ya think?
[22:03] <BlakJak> or xfce4-panel?
[22:03] <BlakJak> latter exists
[22:07] <knome> xfce4-panel definitely :P
[22:08] <knome> leo-unglaub, hmm. probably... i can't see that being a feature in xfce, ever
[22:08] <knome> leo-unglaub, but maybe some software
[22:08] <BlakJak> !ubuntu-bug xfce4-panel
[22:09] <BlakJak> heh. not a bot command then?
[22:09] <leo-unglaub> knome: yeah
[22:10] <leo-unglaub> maybe
[22:10] <knome> BlakJak, terminal :)
[22:10] <BlakJak> oh haha
[22:11] <BlakJak> duh
[22:33] <nabukadnezar43> why not delay xubuntu release to include xfce 4.10?
[22:33] <nabukadnezar43> or maybe they will include despite ui deadlines
[22:33] <knome> nabukadnezar43, because xubuntu uses the same infrastructure as ubuntu, that wouldn't make much sense, and would be a lot of work
[22:34] <knome> nabukadnezar43, no, it will not be included. in 12.10 then
[22:40] <nabukadnezar43> are there any good text editors with syntax highlighting that depends only on gtk?
[22:40] <nabukadnezar43> something as rich as gedit and kate
[22:41] <GridCube> geany
[22:41]  * knome wonders if geany depends "only on gtk" :)
[22:42] <GridCube> :P
[22:42] <GridCube> X2
[22:43] <GridCube> thats other :P
[22:43] <nabukadnezar43> i just don't want any kde and gnome dependencies
[22:43] <nabukadnezar43> i'm not obsessed with it actually as i have gedit installed right now
[22:44]  * knome uses gedit too
[22:44]  * BlakJak 3
[22:44]  * GridCube uses leafpad and nano :(
[22:44] <BlakJak> leafepad looks like a notepad clone
[22:44] <BlakJak> but sadly doesn't have many of the keyboard shortcuts mapped the same
[22:45] <BlakJak> so I opted to install gedit
[22:45] <nabukadnezar43> it's a pain to read codes in leafpad
[22:45] <knome> there was some discussion on leafpad probably getting syntax highlighting
[22:45]  * Marzata is on leafpad and nano too :) 
[22:45] <BlakJak> vim ftw too.
[22:45] <BlakJak> when in shell.
[22:47] <nabukadnezar43> i also have totem installed as i couldn't get gecko media player working
[22:48]  * Marzata uses lynx too :) 
[22:53] <xubuntu_loco> hbgjhj
[22:54] <xubuntu_loco> hi
[23:04] <GridCube> nabukadnezar43, X2 is small program that does that stuff
[23:06] <nabukadnezar43> i've never heard of that one
[23:06] <nabukadnezar43> i'll try it
[23:07] <GridCube> http://gtk-apps.org/content/show.php?content=145463
[23:07] <GridCube> :P
[23:07] <GridCube> nabukadnezar43, ^
[23:08] <nabukadnezar43> yeah i found it before your post :)
[23:08] <GridCube> :P
[23:11] <BlakJak> 967857 <-- bug reported
[23:11] <BlakJak>  (had to wait for signup creds to get thru greylisting)
[23:11] <GridCube> bug #967857
[23:12] <TVasEyes> BlakJak: there's gvim too  :)
[23:13] <BlakJak> heh, google image search gave me gvim portable for windows
[23:13] <BlakJak> that's neat.
[23:14] <BlakJak> I prefer context in windows tho..
[23:14] <TVasEyes> I use gvim on all my xfce desktops.
[23:14] <TVasEyes> (have no MS s/waee left :) )
[23:15] <TVasEyes> s/ware*
[23:15] <nabukadnezar43> ms visual studio is better
[23:15] <nabukadnezar43> :)
[23:16] <GridCube> D:
[23:16] <GridCube> not sure if jocking
[23:17] <nabukadnezar43> well if you're a c# developer, nothing can beat ms vs
[23:18] <nabukadnezar43> closest experience i get was coding in java using netbeans
[23:18] <TVasEyes> nabukadnezar43: could it be that that's because c# doesn't exist outside the Redmond world?
[23:18] <nabukadnezar43> well not true, c# exists within ubuntu itself
[23:19] <TVasEyes> hm, ok, didn't know.
[23:19] <TVasEyes> thanks.
[23:19] <nabukadnezar43> it's a part of gnome-extra
[23:19] <TVasEyes> (I think)
[23:19] <nabukadnezar43> gnome-extra includes mono which is a open source c# compiler
[23:20] <nabukadnezar43> mono actually is a set of tools not just a compiler sorry for that
[23:20] <TVasEyes> never used it, equivalent to .net environment?
[23:21] <nabukadnezar43> yes an open source implementation
[23:21] <nabukadnezar43> tomboy, banshee are all coded in c#
[23:21] <nabukadnezar43> there were a few more well known applications
[23:21] <nabukadnezar43> i just dont recall
[23:22] <TVasEyes> np, not my area of work/expertise anyway :)
[23:24] <nabukadnezar43> c# is a great language, i've been using it for more than a year now
[23:24] <GridCube> !ot
[23:25] <nabukadnezar43> yeah sorry for that we got a bit offtopic
[23:25]  * TVasEyes tries looking contrite..
[23:27] <GridCube> :) np
[23:27] <GridCube> but nabukadnezar43 do come to #xubuntu-offtopic :D