[06:13] <apachelogger> yofel: regarding the calendar stuff and serbia ... mind that locale settings are not drawn from timezone but system language
[06:15] <apachelogger> if you install en_US with Berlin/Germany as timezone you still will get us as kde country setting
[06:15] <apachelogger> reason being that timezones are less accurate to map
[10:04] <greyback> Riddell: ping
[10:05] <Riddell> hi greyback 
[10:05] <greyback> Riddell: hey
[10:05] <greyback> Riddell: we want to alter the giant A11Y patch in Qt4.
[10:05] <greyback> as it's causing a nasty crash for us
[10:06] <Riddell> uh oh
[10:06] <greyback> Can you tell me where the branch is that just contains the debian directory for qt4?
[10:06] <Riddell> lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qt
[10:06] <Riddell> greyback: you've spoken to fregl about this presumably?
[10:07] <greyback> Riddell: yep, we're following his advice
[10:07] <Riddell> lovely :)
[10:07] <greyback> Riddell: ok, I'll be in touch, many thanks :)
[10:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 968114
[10:41] <jalcine> Sorry to directly ping you, apachelogger, but you know who currently maintains KHelpCenter ?
[10:42] <fregl> greyback: let me review it when it's done
[10:43] <greyback> fregl: certainly
[10:44] <fregl> greyback: are you going to work on it using git? I'd recommend we keep the old repo where the patch comes from up to date so the history is there, just in case it needs to be rebased again...
[10:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you know what docs and guides this would affect? (answer on bug)
[10:45] <greyback> fregl: I agree that would be best. pstolowski will be doing it, I'll let him know
[10:46]  * Riddell out for a bit
[10:48] <apachelogger> jalcine: no one
[10:48] <apachelogger> that is
[10:48] <apachelogger> KDE does
[10:48] <apachelogger> but no one in particular
[10:48] <jalcine> !! *rubs chin*
[10:48] <jalcine> Lol, sorry ubottu
[10:48] <jalcine> And hm, that's a shame.
[10:49]  * jalcine thinks I has a new project to peek into this weekend :)
[10:51] <apachelogger> oh, you should google my ramblings on that topic ;)
[10:52] <apachelogger> khc needs quite a bit of love and reinventin
[10:53]  * jalcine goes to do so.
[10:54] <jalcine> http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=ks&q=khelpcenter%20apachelogger << lol, all you!
[10:57] <apachelogger> also http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=130191960215339
[11:01] <jalcine> apachelogger: That archived e-mail is a decent set of user stories, could use that to start up a decent scrum flow
[11:24] <jalcine> Hm, I won't be able to consider maintain, but I could try to close a few bugs.
[11:24] <jalcine> I have a lot on my plate already :/
[11:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please be casting a vote on ktp v kopete
[12:06] <Tm_T> apachelogger: heh, I think I should give some time to think on that to make sure I still think the way I do now (:
[12:07] <apachelogger> ENOTIME
[12:08] <Tm_T> I would love to see KTP in good use
[12:18] <apachelogger> see the course of actions I described in my mail :P
[12:19] <apachelogger> either we possibly shoot ourself in the head now or invest in not doing so with 12.10
[12:26] <Tm_T> pretty much, perhaps
[12:27] <Tm_T> I remember building kde telepathy from git when it was on review, did work atleast somewhat
[12:30] <BluesKaj> hey all
[13:31] <apol> hi, do you know if there is a list of packages installed by the ubuntu-desktop?
[13:32] <agateau> apol: apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop?
[13:32] <apol> hm
[13:32] <apol> interesting, merci agateau
[14:44] <Riddell> anyone get results to add to the iso tracket?  (I do)
[15:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: we should hire someone to do testing
[15:54] <Riddell> yep, know anyone who will work for virtual hugs?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> well, akonadi ishopeless trying to login to my ISP email acct ..givingf up for good this time 
[15:55] <BluesKaj> I guess an email host disguised in hotmail's clothing doesn't qulify as a pop acct
[15:56] <BluesKaj> qualify
[15:57] <BluesKaj> so I dunno how to configure it correctly i guess
[16:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[16:20] <agateau> Riddell: just assigned you a merge request, new version of libdbusmenu-qt: https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/kubuntu-packaging/libdbusmenu-qt-0.9.2/+merge/99971
[16:21] <Riddell> why thank you :)
[16:29] <agateau> Riddell: see, I take care of keeping you busy :)
[16:30] <Riddell> this look ok to everyone? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/Beta2/Kubuntu
[16:35]  * shadeslayer wonders if anyone has experience compiling kernels here
[16:41] <sreich> why?
[16:51] <shadeslayer> sreich: Well ... I can't quite figure out how to make a initramfs
[16:51] <shadeslayer> I've manged to compile a kernel image ...
[16:51] <sreich> don't they usually just use dracut?
[16:52] <shadeslayer> I have no idea what that is, I'm building the kernel for the first time
[16:52] <sreich> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Dracut
[16:52] <sreich> wonder if ubuntu uses that yet
[16:53] <shadeslayer> I see dracut packages
[16:53] <shadeslayer> and yeah, was already reading that
[16:53] <sreich> oh right, it's update-initramfs i think
[16:53] <shadeslayer> an
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:53] <shadeslayer> I didn't know update-initramfs created new initramfs's
[16:55] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:20] <georgelappies> did the grid desktop disapear in 12.04?
[19:54] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: horribly late pong here
[19:57] <Riddell> rbelem: whee! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/releases/precise/beta-2/
[20:05] <rbelem> Riddell, nice :-)
[20:05] <rbelem> Riddell, i will work today on the kwin active
[20:07]  * rbelem downloads
[20:16]  * debfx starts working on qt 4.8.1
[20:36] <Riddell> thanks debfx 
[21:12] <Riddell> how's this? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/1204-beta-2-released
[21:16] <Riddell> I'll take that as a "good" :)
[21:23] <ulysses> on the Beta 2 wiki page: Muon Suite 1.3 RC
[21:23] <ulysses> is it really RC, not the final 1.3.0?
[21:25] <Riddell> I don't know, you can check easily enough
[21:25] <debfx> ulysses: fixed
[21:28] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^
[21:41] <debfx> grr I wish we could stop building webkit from qt4-x11
[21:48] <Riddell> well will next release since that's Qt 5
[21:48] <debfx> still I suspect it's not the last time I have to build qt4
[21:55] <Riddell> fast ec2 machines available if you need them
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> it's the final 1.3.0 now, I'll update the page
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> oh, it's been updated :)
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> what's up with the CJK spec? Should we just postpone the rest of the items?
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> brb
[23:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what are you random pinging me for? :P
[23:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, sreich: FWIW for device development I personally roll my own initramfs by hand :P
[23:24] <apachelogger> particularly since mobile devices usually have limited space for the boot crap and ubuntu's standard initramfs is *huge*