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ubottuLaunchpad bug 940230 in openssl (Ubuntu) "openssl on 64bit is much slower than before" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94023000:05
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keesmicahg: so, this has regressed a while back, and I think you sent me to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=716110 but I can't make sense of it.04:16
ubottuMozilla bug 716110 in Startup and Profile System "split -new-instance flag out of existing -no-remote flag" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]04:16
keesbasically, this doesn't work:04:17
kees/usr/lib/firefox/firefox -P Browsing -remote 'openURL(http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MFLF/~3/WM7yqk8qY-U/)'04:17
keesError: No running window found04:17
keesI've tried combinations of -new-tab and -new-window but they yell about there already being a copy of firefox running. :P04:17
micahgkees: first instance without -no-remote and subsequent with IIRC04:19
keesmicahg: I run all my firefox process with: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox -ProfileManager04:19
keesso the "Browsing" instance is already running04:20
micahgkees: right, well, starting with Firefox 13 you can just pass -new-instace04:20
micahgoh, wait, I see the question now04:20
keesOOOOH the problem is with the initial, not the latter!04:20
keesyes! starting the initial with -new-instance fixes it! yay!04:21
* kees hugs micahg04:22
keesnow I just have to figure out how I tricked unity into launching my special firefox command instead of the real thing04:22
keesno idea :P04:24
pittiGood morning05:10
pittiSweetshark: LibO uploaded now05:29
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pittiinfinity, cjwatson, RAOF, SpamapS: FYI, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html is now showing non-DONE builds06:49
pittifor SRUs that's helpful to block -updates, and for precise-proposed it tells us when we can copy stuff over06:49
RAOFNifty.06:50
pittitogether with the new sru-release --release (or -r) switch, we now should have the basic tools to use precise as a staging area06:51
pittiwe are still missing an installability check for -proposed, though06:51
pittihttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/precise-proposed_probs.html would be good to have, and I suppose not even particularly hard to set up06:52
pittiin fact, that looks pretty trivial06:53
* pitti gives it a shot06:53
pittiand add the missing lucid..oneiric-proposed as well (we only have it for dapper and hardy)06:54
cjwatsonpitti: to use it properly we'll need to be able to ask questions like "does moving this set of packages from -proposed to release make release less installable?", rather than just knowing whether -proposed is installable06:57
cjwatsonnot saying all these aren't improvements, but we did lay out a plan06:57
cjwatsonof sorts06:57
pittiright, I wasn't saying it was perfect already06:57
cjwatsonI have an LP branch for enabling -proposed outside freeze periods, which is just waiting for me to squeeze it in under the LoC requirements of the new LP maintenance policy before I submit an MP07:01
pitticjwatson: I saw, thanks so much for this07:01
brodercjwatson: does your patch just enable proposed or other non-release pockets as well?07:06
pittithere http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/precise-proposed_probs.html07:14
pittionce LibO i386 finishes building on i386, it should have some stuff until the other arches catch up; I'll double-check it then07:14
cjwatsonbroder: just proposed07:19
broderaww :)07:20
cjwatsonbroder: hopefully makes it a bit easier to add other pockets in future though07:20
tumbleweedpitti: what is libreofficeu-core in the libreoffice upload you sponsored for Sweetshark? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/98802969/libreoffice_1%3A3.5.1-1ubuntu1_1%3A3.5.1-1ubuntu2.diff.gz07:37
tumbleweederr not that07:37
tumbleweedoh, no the url is right07:37
micahgno, that is right :)07:37
pittitumbleweed: I suppose it's a typo07:39
pittiSweetshark: ^07:39
tumbleweedhe appears to be offline, I poked him an hour or two ago07:39
pittiyes, still a bit early for him07:40
pittitumbleweed: let's say it's a (rather expensive) test case for http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/precise-proposed_probs.html :)07:51
pittitumbleweed: curious though, the package was already tested in a PPA, including a full upgrade test; I guess it slipped in when building the suorce for precise :(07:55
Davieypitti: Hey!  Can i talk to you about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/2011.3+git20111117-0ubuntu1 ?08:02
pittiDaviey: ah yes, indeed; it seems that hasn't been tested much yet08:03
Davieypitti: A few of the issues are not realistically going to get verified in Ubuntu, such as a Xen bug.  However, as previously discussed - we are putting more confidence into the upstream stable tree process (we are reviewers of it.)08:03
Davieypitti: It has.. Trellis Has been using it..08:03
Daviey(and others obv.)08:03
smbDaviey, a Xen bug? Where? :)08:03
Davieypitti: It's also been through our internal CI08:04
Davieysmb: A bug with nova usng Xen.08:04
pittiDaviey: AFAIR the proposal for the standing SRU exception was that the -proposed version has to be run through a large test suite and QA process which ensures that there are no regressions08:04
pittiDaviey: not necessarily to validate each individual bug, as that's rather impractical for so many08:04
smbDaviey, If you care to pass me the bug number, I may have a look too if needed. I just have missed it up to now08:05
pittiso if there was something like a QA process, it either wasn't posted to one of the bugs, or it slipped our attention08:05
Davieypitti: The process is that we QA each commit upstream as it hits, and do so for milestones.08:07
DavieyHmm, but the results don't seem to be posted public.08:08
* Daviey investigates 08:08
pittiDaviey: and that still doesn't guarantee us that the bits in -proposed will actually work08:08
pittiwe need to run integration/system test against the bits that are in -proposed, not against what landed in upstream trunk a long time ago08:09
pittis/not/not just/08:09
Davieypitti: True, but this is a large part of the reason we are involved in the upstream stable tree, to try to mitigate this.08:09
pittiand also consider differnent kinds of existing setups and configs08:09
pittiDaviey: so I think it's been in -updates long enough, and there are enough v-dones to justify moving to -updates if you feel comfortable with it08:28
pittiDaviey: but I don't think it was a good example of how things should go; it took too long, and there was not enough feedback about the global (not per-bug) regression testing with this08:29
pittiDaviey: shoudl go for the SRU exception, I mean08:29
Davieypitti: Yeah, I agree with that.  We need to come up with a better process to do distro validation.08:34
Davieypitti: I'm just crosschecking a few more things.08:34
pittiDaviey: ok, thanks; let me know when I should move to -updates08:35
Davieypitti: It looks like it will superseed a security upload currently in -updates.. So it's a no-go08:38
Davieydammit.08:38
Davieyie, doesn't have the security fix.08:38
micahgwow, that was over 2 months ago08:41
Davieymicahg: 14 weeks is certainly more than 2 months :)08:43
micahgDaviey: was referring to the fact it was superseded by a security upload ~2 months ago08:44
Davieymicahg: Yeah, the SRU upload has been pending for 14 weeks.08:46
micahgDaviey: it was out of date when it was uploaded (6.3 actually had a fix not included, so it never could've gone to -updates anyway)08:47
Davieymicahg: Yep, just covered this :)08:47
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tumbleweedpitti: :)09:44
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henrixpitti: hi. it looks like some kernel packages landed on the wrong component10:31
henrixpitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/965346/comments/210:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 965346 in Kernel SRU Workflow "linux: 2.6.38-14.58 -proposed tracker" [Undecided,In progress]10:31
pittihenrix: thanks, will fix10:31
henrixpitti: great, thanks10:31
pittiweird, I moved the whole thing to main10:32
pittioh, that's from -meta10:32
pittihenrix: it's in universe in -security and -updates as well, though10:32
pittibut the -14 binaries are in main indeed10:33
henrixpitti: strange...10:33
pittihenrix: I guess that was before we had these nice new checks10:34
pittihenrix: I'll fix it10:34
henrixpitti: yeah, that would be great.10:34
henrixpitti: please let me know once that's sorted out10:34
pittihenrix: done; I'll re-close the bug10:34
henrixpitti: cool10:35
pittiev: FYI, dealing with the problem_types thingy now (to avoid duplicate work)10:50
evpitti: cheers!10:51
pittiev: I subbed you to the bug, so that you can follow the progress10:51
evthanks muchly10:51
vibhavpWhat is best language to learn to start with Ubuntu development?10:51
pittivibhavp: depends on the area you want to work on really, but all in all the two most common languages are C and Python10:59
davmor2pitti: I added the gvfs info you asked for to bug #952933 anything else likely to help?11:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 952933 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "sansa fuse not showing up as a media-player in precise ie not triggering open in Rhythmbox dialog" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95293311:04
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pittidavmor2: hm, this also looks correct11:26
pittidavmor2: do you see it in RB as a media player?11:26
pittiI tested that with my phone and my wife's Sony Walkman, and it seems to generally work okay11:27
pittidavmor2: do you also get this in a guest account? we had some problems with disabled plugins in RB11:27
davmor2pitti: yeap I see it and it has a a music player icon,  it just doesn't open in RB or trigger the normal open in dialog like it does in natty/oneiric11:29
davmor2I should say it doesn't auto open RB11:30
pittidavmor2: ah, thanks11:34
pittidavmor2: ok, I can check that part11:34
pittidavmor2: so I retitle to "media players do not trigger Open With Rhythmbox dialo"?11:34
pittidavmor2: done, thanks!11:36
davmor2pitti: yeap you can do, I merely assumed it was opening the nautilus window as it wasn't triggering the fact it was a media player11:36
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seb128pitti, the default on media player connect is "ask what to do"11:52
seb128i.e it should display a dialog11:52
seb128that doesn't work?11:52
jelmerFreezeExceptionProcess documents that I should explicitly document that I'm uploading a new bugfix-only upstream release during FF11:54
jelmerIs there are recommended way of handling this when syncing, or should I do a merge in that case?11:54
cjwatsonjelmer: don't avoid syncs just for the sake of extra changeloggery11:57
cjwatsonsyncs are good if possible11:57
cjwatsonyou can tell us on #ubuntu-release or something11:58
cjwatsonor we can just look :)11:58
jelmercjwatson: will do - thanks!12:01
pittiseb128: apparently it doesn't12:25
seb128pitti, I've the issue with my ipod, looking at it12:26
pittimy mobile phone asks me what to do with the photos12:26
pittibut nothing for the music12:26
seb128pitti, it seems to not detect it as a music player12:26
seb128pitti, i.e nautilus doesn't have the banner either12:26
seb128where a sd card with photos work12:26
seb128it displays a banner in nautilus "do you want to open with shotwell"12:26
speakmanThe flashplayer-installer update earlier today has ruined any flash content! Anyone else noticed?12:34
pittiah, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/precise-proposed_probs.html seems to work fine12:37
davmor2seb128: ref: music player. it isn't working here for me it just opens a nautilus window12:46
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fraviofiihello, I would like to ask some advice regarding ubuntu-core13:28
fraviofiiI'm trying to install opencv package in ubuntu-core distribution for arm13:28
fraviofiiI'm using chroot, and the apt-get install is not finding the package. I changed source.list file from /etc/apt13:29
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geserwhich error do you get?13:38
fraviofiipackage not found13:39
geserwhich command do you use? (which package exactly do you try to install?)13:40
fraviofiifirst I use apt-get update13:40
fraviofiiand then, apt-get python-opencv13:40
fraviofiisorry13:40
fraviofiione minute13:40
fraviofiiin fact, I used "apt-get install opencv"13:41
fraviofiiprobably that's the reason13:41
geseropencv is the source package name, python-opencv is one of the binary packages build from that source package13:41
fraviofiiyes ... that's the problem ... i'm installing right now the python-opencv package, which is istalling the dependencies13:42
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ogra_wow, so if i (by accident or whatever) uninstall unity-greeter i'm completely left with a crashing Xserver in a loop, there is no fallback built into lightdm (not even an ugly one) ?14:45
pittiI think lightdm should not just recommend: a greeter, but depend on it14:46
ogra_well, that would have left me in a similar situation, though with a console login by default at least14:47
ogra_i think it should just have some unthemed fallback thing builtin or so14:47
pittibdmurray: it seems your http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bug-fixing/precise-fixes-report.html files don't count upload to precise-proposed, nor their copies to precise14:47
pittiseb128, didrocks ^14:47
seb128pitti, thanks14:48
pittibdmurray: as we are going to use precise-proposed more and more for staging uploads, woudl it be possible to fix thaht?14:48
seb128ogra pitti, xfailsafe should kick in14:48
didrockspitti takes the bug # countest quite seriously :)14:48
seb128ogra_, pitti: check with bryceh maybe14:48
pittiwell, I also find it quite helpful for duplicates14:48
bdmurraypitti: I'll look into it14:48
didrocksindeed :)14:48
pittiwhen I see a bug report and I remember "I fixed tihs already", etc.14:49
pittibut yes, the competition is certainly the most interesting one, as well as judging applicants for upload privs14:49
pittibdmurray: cheers14:49
ogra_seb128, thats another prob, failsafe doesnt get me back to lightdm at all, not even if i installed a greeter during having the failsafe stuff on the screen14:49
pittibdmurray: e. g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/2.24.10-0ubuntu6 does not appear at all14:50
seb128ogra_, not failsafe mode, xfailsafe or whatever the x debugging mode is called14:50
seb128ogra_, the thing which should kick in when you get a broken xorg config14:50
ogra_seb128, well, i get a dialog telling me stuff about my xserver and dropping me into a selection menu to reconfigure etc14:51
ogra_funnily completely without mouse nor is any kbd management possible14:51
seb128ogra_, you said " i'm completely left with a crashing Xserver in a loop14:51
seb128ogra_, so which one it is?14:51
seb128does it loop segfault or does it display a dialog?14:51
ogra_i get that dialog, then X crashes trying to start lightdm, crashes because it finds no greeter and gets me back to the dialog14:52
ogra_i can exit the failsafe thing qith esc, but not select anything14:53
seb128ogra_, the dialog should let you fix your lightdm config14:53
seb128you have several bugs there...14:53
seb128handling broken configs and install is an hard job ;-)14:53
ogra_once i exit i'm left with a black screen and blinking cursor in the top left corner and the system seems to not take any kbd input14:53
ogra_(i can ping it, its not crashed, but something blocks the kbd so i cant switch to a tty)14:54
ogra_seb128, yeah, and i think its a corner case (i tried lxde on my netbook ... since g-s-d is so annoyingly crashy i removed it which pulled our unity-greeter and left me in that state)14:55
ogra_s/our/out/14:55
seb128ogra_, can you give me the bug number for your g-s-d issues so we can try to get them resolved?14:56
ogra_so how would i reconfigure lightdm from console ? dpkg-reconfigure doesnt seem to do anything14:57
ogra_seb128, its logged in the tracker (also reported by pgraner), thats a plain segfault iirc14:57
seb128ogra_, is that the wacom tablet one?14:57
ogra_nope14:57
ogra_arm14:57
seb128ogra_, reconfigure what?14:57
ogra_lightdm14:58
seb128ogra_, what option?14:58
ogra_the greeter14:58
seb128ogra_, I don't think there is a dpkg interface to reconfigure anything14:58
seb128just edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf14:58
ogra_/etc/lightdm.conf points to unity-greeter even though thats not installed14:58
seb128ogra_, well install a greeter, the gtk one for example14:58
seb128ogra_, the postinst will update the config for you14:59
ogra_err /etc/lightdm/lightdm,.conf indeed14:59
ogra_i have the gtk greeter installed now14:59
ogra_since a while already, no change14:59
ogra_feels like the failsafe mode still gets in the way14:59
* ogra_ reboots 14:59
ogra_hmm,. even reboot gets me back into failsafe15:00
ogra_and the second window doesnt takle any input15:00
* ogra_ reinstalls the gtk greeter15:02
ogra_hmm, had to actually edit lightdm.conf but now it works15:05
ogra_seb128, just fyi, i think my g-s-d bug is bug 95682415:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 956824 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "[power]: gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in gnome_rr_screen_get_dpms_mode()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95682415:26
seb128ogra_, ok, thanks15:28
seb128ogra_, do you get that bug often? when doing what?15:34
ogra_every login15:34
ogra_it respawns immediately15:34
seb128ogra_, upstream says it happens if the call to gnome_rr_screen_new() fails, I wonder if that's a race or something15:35
ogra_smells very much like one15:35
seb128ogra_, I will include the upstream patch in my next upload, let me know how it goes15:35
ogra_i have all themes etc nothing looks weird15:35
ogra_so it must respawn in the bg15:35
ogra_will test, thanks "15:35
ogra_!15:35
seb128ogra_, yw15:36
seb128ogra_, on the lightdm greeter topic robert_ancell didn't want to build builtin fallback greeter, his idea was rather to send you to xfailsafe and that xfailsafe would have an option to restore a stock config and would reinstall the greeter if it's uninstalled15:37
ogra_hmm, it didnt give me any greeter rleated options15:38
ogra_probably that feature isnt done yet ?15:38
ogra_in any case i didnt have any kbd/mouse in failsafe after the first window so it wouldnt have helped15:39
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marsfligthJust for your information http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/linus-torvalds-would-like-to-see-a-gnome-fork/934716:07
cjwatsonPlease can we not have a big advocacy war here?16:07
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apwcjwatson, have we added anything to prevent VT handoff with encryption do you know?17:42
cjwatsonapw: not explicitly, but seeing as grub can't read from encrypted devices yet it's quite possible that it takes you down different code paths17:44
cjwatsonfor example you may not have a font configured17:44
cjwatsonoh, and indeed that causes us not to load gfxterm17:44
cjwatsonso yeah, you probably won't get vt handoff with an encrypted /17:44
cjwatsonbut it's an nth-order consequence17:45
apwcjwatson, ahh ... well we do still tell the kernel we are doing it, even when we are not, which might not be good17:45
cjwatsonso vt handoff will make the kernel upset if it gets entered in text mode?17:46
apwcjwatson, i'd not really expect it to no, and it seems to work ok for intel at least, but there are some complaints around ... though you are handing off in normal vt mode so they should be in a better place to cope17:47
apwcjwatson, will investigate further there are too many holes in my data17:47
cjwatsonok, well feel free to assign me a bug on that, shouldn't be desperately hard to fix up17:48
cjwatsonif it's just a matter of ditching vt.handoff in that case17:48
smosercjwatson, ping.19:23
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SpamapSW: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_main_source_Sources  Hash Sum mismatch23:56
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SpamapSwe really need to fix apt so mirrors can't get in this state23:57

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