[06:59] <DJones> Morning
[07:01] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:02] <popey> o/
[07:21] <daubers> o/
[07:22] <daubers> Sad day today :(
[07:24]  * daubers puts on foggy mounain breakdown
[07:30] <diplo> nice and clear here daubers, only a little bit up from you.
[07:30] <diplo> BBC1 weather lady said it should all clear up again and be 22+ again today
[07:31] <diplo> and Friday
[07:31] <daubers> diplo: :P It's probably Earl Scruggs most identifiable tune (other than the theme from Beverly Hillbillies)
[07:32] <diplo> I have a linux server that I want to automount a USB drive on, do a backup and eject, If i remember correctly there was a way with DBUS to do this ?
[07:32] <diplo> Still none the wiser :)
[07:32] <daubers> diplo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icMTVV5Lwaw
[07:34] <mje> an recent ubuntu 10.10 regular update just failed for me with "Setting up mysql-server-5.1 (5.1.61-0ubuntu0.10.10.1) ... Unknown option: i" how might I start debugging this?
[07:34] <mje> Usage: logger [option...]
[07:38] <diplo> I don't actually mind that sorta tune daubers
[07:39] <daubers> diplo: He passed away last night :(
[07:39] <diplo> I was about to say that was Steve M ... then noticed the title
[07:39] <diplo> :(
[07:39] <daubers> Steve Martin's article is all over twitter
[07:39] <daubers> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2012/01/steve-martin-earl-scruggs.html
[07:55] <mje> found it, something had installed /usr/local/bin logger which was being found before /usr/bin/logger
[08:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:11] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski all
[08:14] <czajkowski> ello MooDoo
[08:18] <daubers> Hmm... reseller wants me to go to London today, hasn't told me where, isn't answering any phones
[08:18] <daubers> Guess that can wait until tomorrow then
[08:19]  * AlanBell is going to London later
[08:19] <AlanBell> then Reading :)
[08:19] <daubers> :)
[08:31] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:32] <daubers> Looks like I'm not going to London until tomorrow \o/
[08:33]  * popey is looking forward to beer in reading
[08:35] <daubers> Can't drink tonight :( Since it's curry night, will have a curry though :)
[08:54] <popey> oooh, curry, yay!
[08:56] <diplo> Anyone played with udev rules and usb hdd ?
[08:58] <bigcalm> No, but I have a feeling you're about to ;)
[08:58] <bigcalm> Sorry
[08:58] <daubers> *sigh*
[08:58] <bigcalm> I just realised that I sound just like the peeps who give flippant answers to my own questions
[08:58]  * daubers goes to London
[08:58] <popey> uhoh
[08:58] <bigcalm> daubers: don't do it! Life is too short as it is
[09:02] <JamesTait> Morning all! :)
[09:14] <arsen> nothing wrong with london >:(
[09:14] <arsen> ish.
[09:14] <BigRedS> London's awesome
[09:17] <bigcalm> London is too big and crowded
[09:17] <bigcalm> I grew up in the countryside
[09:19] <BigRedS> Oh
[09:19] <BigRedS> I grew up in London
[09:19] <BigRedS> and consequently the countryside is too big and empty
[09:19] <bigcalm> :)
[09:20] <BigRedS> Though beer prices are hilarious :)
[09:20] <BigRedS> Sometimes they begin with a '1' !
[09:21] <bigcalm> :D
[09:21] <bigcalm> The ale I was drinking in Wolverhampton last week was 1.60 a pint
[09:22] <BigRedS> yeah, that is a very nice thing about being out here
[09:23] <BigRedS> though I was happy with London prices until I got used to these, so now london seems astronomically expensive
[09:24] <arsen> I grew up in the Country, deep deep nowhereland, i live/work in the city :P
[09:25] <arsen> both are great :)
[09:28] <BigRedS> Coventry's ring road is the scariest road I've ever used
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: You've never been to Utrecht :)
[09:28] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: Nope :)
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: Three-lane roundabouts with traffic lights on _some_ exits (but not all)
[09:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> pah - try the main route from Jaipur to Delhi
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: dozens of them
[09:30] <oimon> what is it about these CEOs? shuttleworth into space, james cameron on the sea bed, and jeff bezos wants to dredge the sea bed for some old rocket engine
[09:34] <popey> s/CEOs/people with insane amounts of cash/
[09:34] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: ah, that doesn't sound *so* bad
[09:34] <BigRedS> coventry's thing is that the left-hand lane is where joining traffic comes in and twenty yards later it's where leaving traffic exits
[09:34] <BigRedS> so there's this furious lane-changing going on
[09:37] <gord> if i had lots of money, i'd go into space too
[09:38] <BigRedS> space is cool
[09:38] <BigRedS> I wanna go
[09:41] <directhex> BigRedS, near ikea?
[09:42] <brobostigon> good morning eveyrone.
[09:42] <BigRedS> directhex: hm?
[09:43] <popey> yo
[09:44] <brobostigon> hi popey
[09:44] <oimon> how can i get scp to ignore my private key files?
[09:44] <directhex> BigRedS, i know i've had to do some "interesting" lane changing when going to ikea in coventry
[09:45] <BigRedS> Ohhh
[09:46] <BigRedS> yeah, I'm not sure what's near there, but I gather it's the same all the way round
[09:54] <dwatkins> popey: the pub you're meeting at tonight is where I used to hang out with people from SGI on curry night, I'll let them know you're there in case some inter-UNIX geekery can be achieved ;)
[09:54] <popey> dwatkins: thanks!
[09:55] <dwatkins> I thought it was rather apt you'd chosen Thursday, popey :)
[09:56] <brobostigon> curry night, :)
[09:56] <dwatkins> (also, 'fun n frolics' is an inside joke, but I won't bore you with details)
[09:58] <dwatkins> popey: if a tall bloke with long hair by the name of Matt approaches you, it's all my fault.
[10:00] <popey> :D
[10:00] <popey> did you tell him to look for elvis?
[10:00] <dwatkins> haha, I shall
[10:00] <BigRedS> "Find the most moneysupermarket guy in the pub, it's him"
[10:01] <Myrtti> MSN having trouble again? Empathy complains about a "Network problem"
[10:04] <DJones> Myrtti: I#ve got it connected via pidgin on windows without any issues
[10:04] <brobostigon> i have it connected with bitlbee also.
[10:04] <Myrtti> boo
[10:05] <Dave2> Works for me via bitlbee and my phone
[10:06] <Dave2> dwatkins: are people going to turn up dressed as clowns then?
[10:07] <Dave2> (Although, to return to my previous line, I don't actually talk to anyone on MSN, so it could be broken for all I know.)
[10:08] <Dave2> (...nope, talked to myself, all working.)
[10:09] <Myrtti> right, I wonder why I'm not logged in then
[10:13] <Myrtti> well anyway, if I put a wrong password in, it complains about that
[10:13] <Myrtti> if I put the correct it complains about "network error"
[10:14] <Dave2> "Network error", the most frustrating of all Empathy errors.
[10:15] <Myrtti> ikr
[10:23] <oimon> trying to copy some files via expect script, copies first few and then continues with script after only downloading 29% of the 4th file out of 6. any ideas?
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> Expect script?
[10:35] <BigRedS> using expect to talk to some client that copies files I'd guess
[10:35] <BigRedS> hard to debug without knowing what expect is talking to...
[10:39] <bigcalm> When will I learn to do time sheets at the time of doing something and not a few days later?
[10:39] <bigcalm> I hate plucking numbers out of the air
[10:40] <BigRedS> haha
[10:40] <BigRedS> It's hard to do stuff here without it getting logged somewhere, so times are easy to find retrospectively
[10:40] <BigRedS> then there's just the "did that really only take forty minutes? Damn." moments
[10:47] <oimon> i managed to get ssh keys transferred to the server in question, and did away with the expect scripts :D
[10:47] <oimon> weird problem , but no time to investigate and no ssh access on remote server
[10:51] <BigRedS> you were using expect and ftp?
[10:53] <oimon> expect and scp BigRedS
[10:53] <oimon> ssh disabled using scponly or simliar
[10:55] <BigRedS> ahhh
[10:56] <BigRedS> that's native in openssh server now
[10:56] <BigRedS> which is really really nice
[10:56] <BigRedS> no more faffing with chroots and fs permissions
[10:57] <davmor2> morning all
[10:57] <davmor2> czajkowski: hug
[10:57] <czajkowski> davmor2: hello
[10:58] <MooDoo> howdy davmor2
[11:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: on multiple servers now then dude?
[11:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: pah shush you ;)
[11:05] <andrewebdev> I previously installed GIMP from a third party ppa. A recent update uninstalled Gimp and some dependencies. Now I cannot even install Gimp from default ubuntu sources, even though I removed the ppa. How can I fix this?
[11:05] <andrewebdev> 11.10 btw
[11:09] <oimon> BigRedS, how do you mean, native in openssh?
[11:11] <davmor2> andrewebdev: so once you removed the ppa did you do a sudo apt-get update?  if not open a terminal do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gimp  and see what happens then
[11:12] <andrewebdev> davmor2, sorry I forgot to mention, yes I did do that as well as upgrade
[11:12] <davmor2> andrewebdev: did it give you an error of any sort?
[11:13] <andrewebdev> davmor2, http://dpaste.com/723397/
[11:13] <BigRedS> oimon: yeah
[11:14] <BigRedS> it's got directives for restricting users to sftp only, chrooted to ~
[11:14] <BigRedS> you can do it by username or group membership
[11:14] <davmor2> andrewebdev: looks like it it is still seeing the ppa version how did you remove the ppa?
[11:15] <BigRedS> oimon: it's been native upstream for a while but I think it only hit debian in squeeze
[11:16] <andrewebdev> davmor2, I just removed it from my software sources
[11:17] <dutchie> what twitter client do people use nowadays?
[11:18] <bigcalm> TweetDeck on my phone. Don't bother with other devices
[11:18] <davmor2> andrewebdev: have a look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/  and ensure the ppa's .list file is removed, then do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get purge gimp libgimp2.0 gimp-data && sudo apt-get install gimp
[11:19] <davmor2> andrewebdev: if you still get the error then try sudo apt-get -f install gimp
[11:20] <andrewebdev> davmor2, thanks... in progress
[11:21] <oimon> dutchie, hotot , which is native and also a chrome app
[11:21] <davmor2> andrewebdev: cool glad to help
[11:22] <davmor2> dutchie: I use 2 gwibber on ubuntu and the official app on android
[11:22] <BigRedS> dutchie: Firefox
[11:23] <oimon> software center not letting me click "install" again..grr
[11:23] <davmor2> oimon: are you connected to the net?
[11:24] <oimon> i hope so :D
[11:24] <oimon> have to run software center as sudo to get it to work
[11:24] <oimon> known bug, apparently
[11:25] <oimon> end up just using apt-get
[11:26] <davmor2> oimon: no it's not known at all,  I work in the software center team I use it all day long and no need for that.  There was ages ago due to the fact that the admin group got removed from precise.  You really need to do a fresh install, that bug got fixed like a month + ago
[11:30] <oimon> davmor2, i'm on lucid
[11:30] <andrewebdev> thanks davmor2, that seemed to have worked :) ... gimp is now installing
[11:31] <davmor2> oimon: hmmm odd do you have the bug number for that?
[11:33] <oimon> davmor2, just checking my history
[11:34] <oimon> davmor2, is ther a debug mode i can use to get output?
[11:35] <oimon> WARNING:root:_on_trans_error: org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.Error.NotAuthorized: ('system-bus-name', {'name': ':1.831'}) is not authorized: org.debian.apt.install-packages
[11:36] <oimon> davmor2, bug 785117
[11:38] <davmor2> oimon: thanks
[11:38] <oimon> nothing weird about my setup though
[11:38] <oimon> 10.04.4
[11:39] <davmor2> oimon: no I was getting mixed up with someone else my fault
[11:51] <oimon> guys, what's the best tool for producing HDR photos on linux?
[11:52] <MooDoo> oimon: http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20100323145610371/HDRImaging.html/%22%3ERead%20more
[11:59] <oimon> cheers MooDoo
[11:59] <oimon> i see qtgpqgphqgui wisely changed their name
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> idspispopd?
[12:04] <andrewebdev> davmor2, I'm back... gimp installed but I cannot run it now: I'm getting this error: gimp: error while loading shared libraries: libgegl-0.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:04] <oimon> Qtpfsgui changed their name to luminance . i was getting confused about hdr tools
[12:07] <davmor2> andrewebdev: sudo apt-get purge libgegl-0.0-0 && sudo apt-get install libgegl-0.0-0
[12:08] <davmor2> andrewebdev: possibly just some extra fall out from the ppa
[12:37] <andrewebdev> davmor2, :( not working... I still get: gimp: error while loading shared libraries: libbabl-0.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:38] <davmor2> andrewebdev: sudo apt-get purge libbabl-0.0-0 && sudo apt-get install libbabl-0.0-0
[12:39] <andrewebdev> oh right... I didn't notice it's a different package
[12:39] <andrewebdev> thought it was still gegl
[12:39] <andrewebdev> :P
[12:41] <davmor2> andrewebdev: if you get any others after this,  type in lib_whatever and then hit tab and just keep purging and installing and hopefully it will work
[12:43] <popey> whats the best way to get to the pub from the train station this evening?
[12:44] <davmor2> popey: walk, that way you are really thirsty and appreciate the beer more
[12:48] <davmor2> andrewebdev: any other issues or is it working now?
[12:50] <oimon> anyone using gnome-panel in 12.04?
[12:50] <andrewebdev> davmor2, just finished now, and yes, it's working perfectly
[12:50] <davmor2> andrewebdev: Woohoo!
[12:51] <andrewebdev> davmor2, thanks for all your help :)
[12:52] <davmor2> andrewebdev: np's
[12:55] <oimon> i.imgur.com/ZkAxV.png
[12:57] <oimon> i'm getting the white application bars on the gnome panel for every app :(
[13:00] <ali1234> ls ~
[13:00] <popey> .
[13:00] <popey> ..
[13:00] <popey> goat_porn
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> .wav
[13:05] <BigRedS> I'm a tad worried by the goat_porn obsession in this channel
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: it's just popey
[13:06] <ali1234> on a 500GB partition, is it normal that 7.6G is "used"
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: yes
[13:06] <ali1234> *empty partition of course
[13:06] <popey> 5% plus partition tables etc?
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: see "-m" in man mkfs.ext2
[13:07] <BigRedS> Yeah, that includes the 5% for privileged processes only
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: or tune2fs manpage
[13:07] <ali1234> but 7.5GB is only 1.5%
[13:07] <ali1234> also, reserved is not "used"
[13:07]  * BigRedS fails at maths
[13:07] <oimon> rm -f go*
[13:07] <BigRedS> haha
[13:07] <ali1234> if i run df as root will it show a different amount?
[13:08] <BigRedS> that blasted goat porn keeps cropping up
[13:08] <BigRedS> du might
[13:08] <ali1234> i'm about to format this partition anyway
[13:09] <oimon> mmm stale niknaks
[13:10] <popey> feels like friday
[13:10] <Dave2> It does. But for me it effectively is.
[13:10] <Dave2> As I have tomorrow off. \o/
[13:11] <gord> its not friday?! :(
[13:12] <brobostigon> it is only vurry and beer thrsday.
[13:12] <brobostigon> curry*
[13:12] <brobostigon> :)
[13:12] <oimon> feels like monday
[13:12] <oimon> had yestereday off
[13:12] <oimon> lovely day for it
[13:12] <Dave2> I had Monday off as well
[13:12] <Dave2> 3 day week \o/
[13:13] <Dave2> I am, however, knackered. *wonders if he'll fall asleep at the pub*
[13:18] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/905577/
[13:18] <ali1234> how come the old partition started at 63 but the new one starts at 2048?
[13:26] <davmor2> ali1234: because it does,  if you look at the block size it's hugely different
[13:28] <ali1234> yeah what really has me puzzled is the partitions are now bigger than before
[13:32] <davmor2> ali1234: I'm assuming you did a manual partition last time and had a separate home partition this time you only have 2 partitions not 3 might have something todo with it,  I'm assuming you did an automatic install this time
[14:14] <AlanBell> http://consultation.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/openstandards/ would be rather good if people could take some time to fill in these responses
[14:14] <popey> AlanBell: website says 19:00 UTC, so we're expected at Pub at 8pm?
[14:18]  * AlanBell set the team timezone to GB
[14:18] <bigcalm> Why would my script in /etc/network/if-up.d not be running once a pptp tunnel is created?
[14:29] <gord> ha, the video game Goldeneye 007 on the n64 actually has a fully working zx spectrum emulator inside it :D http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/911/
[14:30] <directhex> wat
[14:33] <oimon> http://www.ebay.com/itm/JAVA-RING-RARE-Sun-Microsystems-JAVA-ONE-Promo-/300495374337
[14:33] <oimon> what to get the geek who has everything
[14:34] <popey> smells like april fool to me
[14:35] <popey> i once typed in a listing from a magazine which claimed there was a BASIC compiler in the CPC 464 ROM and you needed a machine code loader to make it run
[14:35] <popey> you type in this hex, load your BASIC program from tape and then it writes machine code out to tape. you load that and...
[14:35] <popey>     _               _ _    __             _
[14:35] <popey>    / \   _ __  _ __(_) |  / _| ___   ___ | |
[14:35] <popey>   / _ \ | '_ \| '__| | | | |_ / _ \ / _ \| |
[14:35] <popey>  / ___ \| |_) | |  | | | |  _| (_) | (_) | |
[14:35] <popey> /_/   \_\ .__/|_|  |_|_| |_|  \___/ \___/|_|
[14:35] <popey>         |_|
[14:35] <popey> appeared on the screen
[14:36] <ali1234> a jumbled up mess of random lines appearedo on the screen? wow
[14:36] <bigcalm> Haha
[14:36] <bigcalm> :D
[14:36] <oimon> in the age of internet, april fool needs to be banned, or removed from the web after 1st april
[14:38] <davmor2> oimon: no they are great
[14:40] <ali1234> hmm... the patch file at 256kb is big enough for 10 games and the emulator to be entirely within the patch
[14:40] <popey> exactly
[14:40] <popey> thats what I think it is
[14:41] <popey> there's no way Rare would put a ROM out with all their old Ultimate games on it, they're very protective of them
[14:42] <ali1234> its just about believeable because timesplitters has those minigames in it
[14:42] <ali1234> but those are not emulated, and they are available through gameplay
[14:42] <ali1234> and they are more or less original games
[14:48] <gord> if someone built an n64 spectrum emulator that is just as impressive
[14:48] <oimon> what's the difference between visiting gmail website in chromium, and adding the gmail app from the chrome store?
[14:48] <gord> oimon, its just a link to gmail
[14:48] <gord> oimon, same with their "youtube" app
[14:48] <oimon> lame
[14:48] <oimon> not an app at all then
[15:09] <AlanBell> popey: annoyingly in edit mode the event talks about local time, and in read mode UTC
[15:11] <popey> mad
[15:11] <AlanBell> found ti
[15:11] <AlanBell> the venue was set to UTC
[15:11] <AlanBell> now fixed
[15:12] <AlanBell> right, done for the day
[15:12] <AlanBell> reading next
[15:13] <popey> AlanBell: what time you going past farnborough north?
[15:13] <popey> I might be able to jump on same train
[15:15] <AlanBell> dunno yet, heading to paddington now
[15:15] <popey> AlanBell: ok, lemme know when you know
[15:15] <popey> AlanBell: not all trains stop at fbro tho
[15:16] <popey> so nvm
[15:16] <popey> oh, paddington wont go past fboro, nvm
[15:16] <popey> *belm*
[15:20] <bigcalm> Think I had too much tuna *burp*
[15:20] <bigcalm> :S
[15:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: uwwwwww fishy
[15:21] <bigcalm> Yup
[15:21] <daftykins> time to move some furniture to attack some mould on the walls >_<
[15:21] <daftykins> crikey half 4 already
[15:24] <davmor2> daftykins: no it's half 3 you only think it's half 4 cause there is a timepiece tellin you that :)
[15:24] <gord> hmmm kindle touch, not sure i want one of those
[15:24] <gord> i mean, its an ebook reader, why would you need a touch interface
[15:26] <davmor2> gord: so you can elegantly turn the pages like you can on a real book ;)
[15:26] <gord> not really, its still eink ;)
[15:27] <gord> you could pretend to turn a page and it would show a really slow and jerky animation
[15:27] <davmor2> gord: yay
[15:28] <daftykins> davmor2: bah! :)
[15:28] <gord> i'll stick with my kindle and its silly and obviously useless in this day and age, buttons
[15:28] <ali1234> you just hate change
[15:29] <ali1234> anything new is obviously better
[15:30] <ali1234> and not forgetting: we have usability studies that PROVE that no buttons is better than buttons
[15:32] <arsen> hah hi daftykins
[15:53] <reaper4334> Does anyone know if it's possible to create a symbolic link with an incomplete filename using wildcards? e.g. link libexample.so to libexample.so.0.1.2, but where you don't necessarily know it's going to be ".0.1.2"
[15:53] <reaper4334> I tried "ln -s libexample.so libexample.so.*" but that doesn't work, it simply doesn't find the lib when trying to link to it
[15:55] <AlanBell> choochoo
[15:55] <AlanBell> on the fast train to Reading
[15:56] <directhex> reaper4334, yes, if there's only a single result from the wildcard
[15:56] <directhex> reaper4334, the wildcard is expanded by the shell, so the app doesn't see it
[15:57] <reaper4334> directhex: so "ln -s libexample.so.0.1.2 libexample.so" should work? perhaps I made a typo when trying it.. I'll give it another try now
[16:00] <arsen> interesting video if anyone likes buildings! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT4VFGUk-b8
[16:01] <reaper4334> directhex: Turns out it does work after all, I must have just made a typo the first time. Cheers :D
[16:02] <ali1234> arsen: i want to play that game
[16:04] <arsen> hit up, reaper4334 - find out what you did wrong :P
[16:13] <reaper4334> arsen: It was a simple typo, I just found libexample.os which obviously should've been .so :P I feel stupid for not realising before asking ^^
[16:13] <arsen> meh, i took out the entire office's phones earlier due to a even more stupid typo :P easy to do.
[16:15] <reaper4334> yup lol
[16:22] <daftykins> arsen: hey stranger :>
[16:22] <daftykins> how goes?
[16:26] <AlanBell> that was quick
[16:26] <popey> you there?
[16:26] <AlanBell> yup
[16:28] <arsen> yeah all good thanks daftykins  :))
[16:28] <arsen> how you doin? whatcha upto ?
[16:28] <dwatkins> AlanBell: I'm surprise at the lack of response on open standards, as a lot of people have been quite vocal on it
[16:28] <arsen> if you're in london - hit me up for a beer :)
[16:28] <dwatkins> *surprised
[16:29] <AlanBell> dwatkins well there is still time
[16:29] <AlanBell> arsen beer is.in Reading toninght
[16:29] <AlanBell> 25 minutes from paddington
[16:30]  * popey decides to get the 18:02 from farnborough north
[16:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Martin Fitzpatrick] root.abl.es, eat.abl.es, research.abl.es &..abl.es - http://www.mutube.com/mu/root-abl-es-eat-abl-es-research-abl-es-abl-es/
[16:31] <daftykins> arsen: ooh, yeah i've got a job or two for the boss soon so may venture up to his flat. i'm in Portsmouth at the moment fixing the house up to sell :>
[16:32] <daftykins> not bad myself - other than being stuck here with no xbox as billy no mates :D
[16:32] <daftykins> just been snowboarding with mates in Tignes too \o/
[16:32] <daftykins> my bruises have nearly all gone
[16:40] <arsen> arh im already engaged AlanBell :D sorreh
[16:40] <daftykins> :O
[16:40] <arsen> arh - awesome, i did Jackson Hole this year
[16:41] <daftykins> what's that?
[16:41]  * daubers decides to get the 18:25 from just outside his front door :)
[16:41] <arsen> and you're selling the house?! its awesome!
[16:42] <daftykins> haha yeah but Portsmouth is a hole :>
[16:42] <daftykins> gotta get the fundage to buy on the island or something now
[16:42] <arsen> Jackson, Wyoming - daftykins  :)
[16:42] <daftykins> no idea what i'm up to in life yet
[16:42] <arsen> who does know :)
[16:42] <arsen> im stuck in the city.
[16:42] <daftykins> must be quite exciting living in London
[16:43] <daftykins> dunno if i could handle it mind, rock mentality 'n' all ;)
[16:43]  * dogmatic69 got his SSD \o/
[16:43] <daftykins> \o/
[16:43] <daftykins> SSDs ftw
[16:43] <dogmatic69> what to install?
[16:43] <dogmatic69> daftykins: its a quick one too :)
[16:43] <dogmatic69> Crucial M4 64gig
[16:43] <daftykins> i've a crucial m4 256GB in this laptop i'm on
[16:43] <daftykins> :D
[16:43] <daftykins> make sure you update the firmware first eh!
[16:44] <dogmatic69> ?
[16:44] <daftykins> 0009 had a bug
[16:44] <dogmatic69> :/
[16:44] <daftykins> you can do it from flash drive or CD-R
[16:45] <daftykins> arsen: place got broken into end of Jan too! was empty though naturally :>
[16:45] <dogmatic69> not updated the firmware on a drive before :D
[16:47] <arsen> not cool :( we got broken into last year im summer too.
[16:47] <arsen> lost my bike - which i got replaced yesteday finally! :D
[16:47] <daftykins> D:
[16:47] <daftykins> i'm really missing cycling whilst here XD
[16:47] <daftykins> arsen: finally went over to Ireland and met that lovely lady friend o' mine, only 13 years after first talking XD
[16:48] <arsen> orly - how'd it go?
[16:48] <daftykins> pretty good - though she's a tough cookie to read so i had to find out after i was back that she was thinking of jumping on me constantly -_-
[16:48] <daftykins> always the way!
[16:49] <daftykins> hopefully see 'er again though
[16:49] <dogmatic69> daftykins: can you extract the iso to usb stick, or must it be CD?
[16:49] <daftykins> dogmatic69: yeah you can make up a flash drive, use something like unetbootin
[16:50] <dogmatic69> ah
[16:50] <daftykins> hmm mars bar o'clock
[16:50] <daftykins> the mould cleaning was successful :D
[16:50] <dogmatic69> would it be safe to run 12.x now?
[16:51] <dogmatic69> omgubuntu says 'Ubuntu 12.04 Beta 1 offers up a stable and usable desktop'
[16:51] <daftykins> bah, i spoke too soon, mould is still strongly evident
[16:54] <arsen> daftykins  - check my desk view :D http://bit.ly/GZBBQI
[16:54] <arsen> taken on my i(fail)Phone a few weeks back :)
[16:55] <daftykins> :O
[16:55] <daftykins> ownies
[16:56] <daftykins> arsen: you still with the data centre place?
[16:57] <arsen> nono, not these days.
[16:57] <arsen> abandoned the hosting world, enough of that.
[16:58] <arsen> 9-6 these days, techy company doing infrastructure stuffs :)
[16:58] <daftykins> :o
[17:01] <directhex> i'm sure the name arsen looks familiar
[17:02] <arsen> bwahaha :)
[17:04] <AlanBell> it is curry club night in the pub
[17:05] <arsen> search for your name on bash.org - directhex  :)
[17:08] <daubers> AlanBell: Should be
[17:09] <AlanBell> daubers I am sat in the pub :)
[17:10] <daubers> AlanBell: I'll come join you in a minute :)
[17:10] <arsen> ok
[17:12]  * daubers goes to the pub
[17:13] <arsen> right - to the batmobile! have a good pub sesh :)
[17:15] <daftykins> >:D
[17:28]  * AlanBell has a pint of Titanic
[17:28] <ali1234> not titanic 3d?
[17:28] <AlanBell> £2.10 isn't bad
[17:28] <AlanBell> this is a 3d pint
[17:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Iain Cuthbertson] PPTP tunnels and if-up.d - http://www.myrant.net/2012/03/29/pptp-tunnels-and-if-up-d/
[17:37]  * AlanBell watches popey approach on the maruaders map that is Google Latitude
[17:38] <davmor2> AlanBell: yeah you have to wonder who pouched that idea off who :D
[17:59] <OmNomDePlume> AlanBell, my old friend.
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: so THAT's where they got their inspiration!
[19:44] <DJones> AlanBell: TheOpenSourcerer http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/29/munich_linux_savings/
[20:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks for the link DJones - Good story.
[20:07] <ali1234> cool story bro?
[20:11] <ali1234> is there some tool for sifting through old files?
[20:12] <ali1234> i've got a folder called "old" and it's just getting bigger and bigger
[20:12] <ali1234> i don't want to delete it in case there is something i need from it
[20:12] <ali1234> but i'm too lazy to go through it all
[20:12] <ali1234> it's now about 200GB
[20:14] <ali1234> i already deleted all the iso files and anything bigger than 500MB
[20:18] <jacobw> evenagge
[20:30] <dogmatic69> o/
[20:31] <dogmatic69> I am busy trying to install 12.04
[20:31] <dogmatic69> cant get the stuff to fit on a CD :/
[20:34] <ali1234> the performance of copying lots of tiny files really is bad :(
[20:34] <dogmatic69> on 12.x?
[20:34] <ali1234> on anything
[20:34] <dogmatic69> SSD \o/
[20:34] <ali1234> i doubt that would help
[20:34] <ali1234> maybe a bit
[20:35] <dogmatic69> ali1234: I normally zip and copy if its masses of files
[20:35] <ali1234> ...
[20:35] <ali1234> i'm copying from one partition to another
[20:59] <Myrtti> I was just informed about the pasty hoarding in UK, I just love you Britons, you crazy wonderful people you
[21:00] <dogmatic69> :D
[21:21] <dogmatic69> fun fact, windows can not fit 12.04b2 on a cd
[21:21] <dogmatic69> its 3mb short
[21:26] <dogmatic69> neither can ubuntu apparently
[21:28] <Azelphur> wasn't it planned for Ubuntu to drop CDs anyway?
[21:42] <directhex> ubuntu drops mono, and becomes too large to fit on a cd. coincidence?
[21:44] <bigcalm> Mono is now too large to fit on a cd?
[21:48] <directhex> bigcalm: well the CD was fine when it still had mono on it!
[21:54] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: I have read about dvd's not sure what the outcome was
[21:54] <dogmatic69> the dl is 699mb, but it will not fit on a cd
[21:54] <dogmatic69> I think cds are 700mb * 1000, not 1024
[21:56] <Azelphur> \o/
[21:56] <shauno> don't the betas usually wander a little astray in size?
[21:57] <dogmatic69> I this a crazy idea... Install clean ubuntu with SSD + 40gig for /home, then later on swap the 40 gig home for a raid?
[21:57] <stgraber> Ubuntu 12.04 will ship on CD and beta2 will fit on a CD just fine
[21:57] <dogmatic69> would that be easy to do
[21:57] <stgraber> only oversize media we have for beta2 are powerpc images
[21:57] <dogmatic69> stgraber: 3 cd's in the bin says it wont
[21:57] <dogmatic69> wrote to dvd first time
[21:58] <dogmatic69> shauno: I was thinking it could be a 'bug' not fitting
[22:00] <shauno> interesting that you've over by 3MB.  the page for the daily isos says 703 is their target ( http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ )
[22:00] <shauno> well, not target, but the line at which oversize becomes a bug
[22:00] <stgraber> the CD standard allows for up to 703MiB on a media and that's what we're using now for 12.04. Some old/buggy drives and burning software don't agree with that definition of a CD though and may have problem burning/reading the media.
[22:01] <dogmatic69> windows reports it as 716076kb
[22:02] <dogmatic69> stgraber: I tried burning with ubuntu, braso whatever its called on a relatively new dvd rw
[22:03] <dogmatic69> hehe, 12.04b2 live boot says the disk is 140TB
[22:04] <dogmatic69> I wish
[22:11] <dogmatic69> any input on swapping partition /home drives after installing?
[22:33]  * popey files bug 968680
[22:42]  * AlanBell files a bug against ash vale station for being cold and boring
[22:43] <AlanBell> oh look a train
[22:44] <bigcalm> Choo choo
[22:44] <bigcalm> zzz
[22:48] <popey> ☺
[22:58] <dogmatic69> 12.04b2 up and running
[23:14] <AlanBell> home at last
[23:15] <AlanBell> and my new passport is here \o/
[23:15] <daftykins> =]
[23:15] <daftykins> second place in the pub quiz \o/
[23:16] <hamitron> I assume there were more than 2 teams, to be pleased? ;)
[23:20] <daftykins> hamitron: 16 :P
[23:20] <hamitron> nice :)
[23:21] <daftykins> :D
[23:21] <daftykins> to be fair it's the team i'm in that carried me once again
[23:21] <daftykins> last week we won
[23:21] <hamitron> I tend to find that
[23:22] <hamitron> my knowledge on the subjects they quiz people on, is not great
[23:22] <hamitron> :/
[23:22] <daftykins> precisely
[23:22] <daftykins> i'm sometimes of use in the picture round, then in the science round
[23:29] <codeoclock> Hey :) Anyone know where to buy a pre-built Ubuntu system in the UK? It's not that I don't want to install it myself, it's that I want to get out of having to buy a copy of windows with any new pc.
[23:31] <AlanBell> hi codeoclock
[23:31] <AlanBell> linux emporium sells some
[23:32] <codeoclock> AlanBell: Thanks very much, I'll have a look :)
[23:32] <AlanBell> otherwise your best bet is probably ebuyer, there are some decent blank boxes there
[23:33] <AlanBell> I got a Zoostorm desktop for my dad, it works fine
[23:33] <popey> my main desktop is a zoostorm from ebuyer, its fine
[23:33] <ali1234> i still think zoostorm is a terrible name
[23:33] <daftykins> there's always custom building :>
[23:35] <AlanBell> which is more expensive
[23:35] <daftykins> in my experience custom builds only ever lost out for my clients on the software licensing front, since they were tied to Windows
[23:35] <AlanBell> best way to get a PC exactly how you want it
[23:35] <daftykins> but i can't say i've looked
[23:36] <AlanBell> but if you want just a desktop that just works it is cheaper to get a generic blank base unit
[23:36] <codeoclock> I'd like to try custom building - it's just compatibility issues. I don't want to spend a load of money, then realize something doesn't work with something else
[23:36] <codeoclock> blank base units sound cool though
[23:36] <ali1234> research
[23:36] <ali1234> custom building can be cheaper, depending on your needs though
[23:37] <ali1234> if you just want a generic PC it isn't
[23:37] <AlanBell> I would start with a pre-built base unit with most of the components you want and upgrade selectively the bits you want to improve
[23:37] <daftykins> compatibility isn't likely these days
[23:37] <daftykins> er i mean problems with ;D
[23:37] <ali1234> actually i think there's more ways
[23:37] <daftykins> sometimes you get RAM that hates working with boards and processors
[23:38] <ali1234> you have to get the right CPU and the right RAM type
[23:38] <hamitron> daftykins, "why is this i7 a different shape to my AM3 motherboard?" :/
[23:38] <ali1234> and the RAM not only has to be the right type, but it also has to be the right voltage too
[23:38] <daftykins> hamitron: who even considers AMD :P
[23:38] <hamitron> me
[23:38] <hamitron> ;/
[23:38] <daftykins> nah voltage is a non-concern
[23:38] <ali1234> no.
[23:38] <AlanBell> and you have to have space in the case to fit the processor and cooling system and cards and cables etc.
[23:38] <popey> inded, home build is a balls ache
[23:38] <ali1234> if you put 1.5V RAM into a motherboard running at 1.3V it won't work properly
[23:39] <ali1234> but it will still identify as the higher clock rate
[23:39] <hamitron> AlanBell, that is probably the hardest part to research :)
[23:39] <ali1234> then you get loads of errors
[23:39] <daftykins> nothing runs at 1.3 with DDR3+
[23:39] <AlanBell> hamitron: yeah, you can't really, that bit is trial and error, or buying a bigger box than you wanted
[23:39] <ali1234> so you need to either underclock it or increase voltage in the bios... hope you got a board that can can do either of those things...
[23:39] <daftykins> most RAM that runs higher doesn't even have their higher speeds within the SPD
[23:40] <AlanBell> anyhow, night all o/
[23:40] <popey> indeedy!
[23:40] <popey> nn
[23:40] <daftykins> nn o/
[23:40]  * hamitron looks at his ITX motherboard in an ATX case
[23:42] <hamitron> is it still worth getting a PC with windows installed, to get a cheaper deal with crapware subsidies?
[23:42] <ali1234> yes
[23:42] <daftykins> nn all
[23:42] <ali1234> plus you get free copy of windows
[23:42] <hamitron> yeh
[23:42] <hamitron> last time I get dell for this reason
[23:42] <hamitron> :)
[23:42] <hamitron> got*
[23:42] <ali1234> then you wipe and reinstall from an msdn disc
[23:43] <ali1234> problem, norton?
[23:43] <hamitron> norton?
[23:46] <ali1234> i've been shuffling files around for two days now trying to free up a drive so i can reformat it
[23:51] <hamitron> sounds familiar :/
[23:51] <hamitron> I started trying to sort files when the price of hdd went up
[23:51] <hamitron> and I think the price will be back to where it started, before I get sorted
[23:51] <hamitron> :/