/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/03/29/#ubuntu-us-mi.txt

widoxhttp://parcellite.sourceforge.net/00:14
snap-lhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU0pYPF0Yzc03:42
rick_hmorning12:02
snap-lGood morning12:42
brouschsnap-l: no it's not. earl scruggs is dead12:46
mydogsnameisrudyearl scuggs died?   ;(12:47
brouschhe did12:47
mydogsnameisrudyfirst thing i ever played was 5string banjo12:47
mydogsnameisrudybah12:47
brouschhttp://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2012/01/steve-martin-earl-scruggs.html12:47
snap-lOh man, that's a shame12:48
mydogsnameisrudywell another great went to meet the maker12:49
snap-lWe all get there in good time12:49
jrwrengood morning12:55
jrwrengah.13:01
jrwrenwhat a shitty way to ruin the day.13:01
snap-lI didn't realize we had so many bluegrass fans. :)13:08
rick_hme either, though I think you get automatic cool points if steve martin is writing your article about your death13:08
brouschi like fast bluegrass with no vocals13:09
mydogsnameisrudysteve martin plays  very well13:09
snap-lI love the music, but the vocals make me want to punch babies13:09
snap-lIt's like everything I hate about country music rolled into concentrated form13:10
snap-lThe twaaaaaaaauuuuuunnnnnng13:10
jrwrensnap-l: I still miss Larry McDaniel on WDET13:10
jrwrenthere are non twang vocals to be found.13:10
snap-lbipping bat back bork skiddy diddly dig dat spoonerflat.13:10
jrwreni skip the twang13:11
snap-lYeah, I think I caught that show13:11
mydogsnameisrudyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW-w0KgE-8s13:11
jrwrensnap-l: it was on for at least 20 yrs.13:11
snap-lI'd make it through one song thinking "Yeah, I can do this", and then the next song would show up, and I couldn't flip it fast enough13:11
snap-ljrwren: When did they go off the air?13:11
snap-ls/they/he/13:12
snap-lI know they moved Ed Love about a year ago, which still pisses me off13:12
snap-lmaybe more than that, now that I think about it13:12
jrwrensnap-l: i stopped listening to WDET after that new GM reorg kerfuffle13:13
snap-lYeah, OK13:13
snap-lWHen they became WUOM East.13:13
jrwrenha!, yup.13:13
jrwrenWFUM south13:13
jrwrenWGTE north13:14
snap-lI wonder if part of it was the ASCAP / BMI licensing13:14
snap-lthey were extremely music heavy for a NPR affiliate.13:14
jrwrencould be.13:14
jrwrenand internet streaming makes that even more difficult13:14
snap-lDefinitely13:15
jrwrenthey probably wanted to stream online and ASCAP said no13:15
snap-lI read the hoops that JWZ goes through for his DNA LOunge streams, and weep.13:15
jrwrenthat happened to WXOU when I setup their online streaming :)13:15
snap-ljrwren: Oh no doubt. It's why WTHS doesn't stream outside of Hope's campus13:16
jrwreni'm not surprised.13:16
jrwrenya know what it is?13:16
snap-lWXOU?13:17
snap-lYeah, it's Oakland University's student station13:17
jrwrenno, the limitations.13:17
jrwrenits bullshit, that is waht it is.13:17
snap-lOh, definitely13:17
snap-lIt's the control of music and expression13:18
snap-lIt's part of the reason I do a CC show.13:18
snap-la very large part.13:19
snap-lIt's why I subscribe to Magnatune13:19
snap-lIt's why I think this is the bee's knees: http://moodmixes.com/13:20
greg-gso, you know that outlet issue yesterday, magically fixed itself over the night. NO EFFING CLUE16:32
snap-lgreg-g: You don't happen to have ground-fault outlets that recently tripped, do you?16:34
rick_hheh, we sent him searching the house for those yesterday16:34
rick_hgreg-g: tell your little one to quick stabbing the outlets and grounding them out to other things16:35
snap-lYeah, we had one in our apartment kitchen that would cut the entire kitchen circuit off (save for the high-power appliances)16:35
snap-lgreg-g: Is this a house or apartment (shared with others?)16:36
greg-gsnap-l: a house16:36
snap-lAnd about how old is the wiring?16:36
greg-gand yeah, yesterday I checked every single one of thost GFI outlets16:36
waldo323_mouse?16:37
greg-gthough, to be honest, I didn't check the garage16:37
snap-lGarage _should_ be on a separate circuit16:37
greg-gwaldo323_: unlikely given the recent remodel, but, as good a guess as any right now :)16:37
greg-gsnap-l: right, but, after having the AT&T tech come in and say "wow, whoever did you wiring no only didn't know what they were doing, but didn't have the right tools" I'm not in the mood to trust much16:38
greg-gs/no only/not only/16:38
snap-lAh, lovely.16:38
greg-gyeah16:38
snap-lYeah, at least where we're living we can attribute it to about 50 years of learning16:38
greg-ghah, nice16:39
snap-lie: no ground anywhere but the bathroom16:39
greg-g"life long learning"16:39
snap-lWell, it's an older house.16:39
snap-lso not everything is up to current codes.16:39
greg-gthis one is too, but it should be current code-wise now given the remodel. I think it is 1940, maybe 30s16:40
snap-lQuick test: Turn on a lamp on each of the rooms, and flip the breakers16:40
snap-lIf one side of your house goes out with one breaker flip, you know what you're dealing with. :)16:40
snap-lalso check the switches. They should be more than just black / white wiring if they're more recent.16:41
snap-lFound that one out the hard way when I tried putting in some X10 wall switches16:41
greg-gyeah, I might do some more thorough testing tomorrow when I work from home again (today I'm at the office)16:42
greg-gbtw, where I live: http://stmaryspark.blogspot.com/16:45
greg-gmy next door neighbor: http://50justin.com/ (I'm at 60 Justin, you can see a sliver of our place in those photos)16:46
snap-lSomeone actually made a website for their house?16:47
snap-lThat's insane16:47
_MarcusI should make a website for my house16:48
_MarcusAnd include a blog16:48
ColonelPanic001https://twitter.com/#!/foxydenardis16:48
ColonelPanic001almost as bad16:48
_Marcus"Today it rained, and the bricks are wet"16:48
snap-l_Marcus: You could have the house tweet too16:48
ColonelPanic001"Bird crapped on my roof again. So it goes"16:48
_Marcus#ihatebirds16:48
ColonelPanic001haha16:49
snap-l"Stupid occupants are out mowing the lawn again. Would it kill them to go for straight lines?"16:49
snap-l"I thought it was Miller Time after you mowed the lawn, but for this idiot, it must be before, during, and after"16:50
ColonelPanic001heh16:50
snap-l"I'd drop a piece of siding on his head if a) I could ensure it would kill him, and b) if it wouldn't take three weeks for him to notice"16:51
snap-l"It's not a roof leak, it's me trying to take a piss on your head"16:52
greg-gso, I was really considering getting 60justin.org so I could set up a house wiki and mailing list16:55
greg-gsince it is a quasi-coop16:55
greg-gbtw, this photo is really cool http://50justin.com/images/old_house_boat_lrg.jpg16:56
greg-goh, and I met the guy who owns 50 justin, he's just remodeling right now. He lives over in the East Bay. Nice guy.16:57
brouschgreg-g: we had intermittent power problems for years. it turns out the GFI in the bathroom was wired in backwards. i fixed that and no problems since17:21
greg-ghmmmm17:22
greg-geffing electricity17:22
greg-g;)17:22
waldo323_brousch, is there a tool that would help check for that? or do you just need to look at the wires to figure that out?17:23
_stink_ColonelPanic001's a tool17:23
rick_hwaldo323_: yea, there's a nice tool you can get that plugs into an outlet and checks the wiring17:23
rick_hI use it all the time17:23
brouschi have no idea17:23
* waldo323_ 's house needs an update or several17:23
rick_hbasically three prongs with a box and lights onthe back17:23
waldo323_oh good17:23
rick_hand the lights go off with issues17:23
brouschi was under the impression the outlet wouldn't work if it was wired in wrong, but i guess i was mistaken17:24
snap-lrick_h: Yeah, It's called a UPS. :)17:24
waldo323_depends on how wrong maybe?17:24
rick_hhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Receptacle_tester17:25
* snap-l is only half-joking. UPSes usually have some way to tell you that the wiring is funky.17:25
brouschi don't know why, but i saw that as "testicle tester"17:25
rick_hno, say it's not grouneded right, it'll still work, but possible to short17:25
snap-lbrousch: Wishful thinking?17:25
ColonelPanic001:(17:25
rick_hand outlets can be backwards, they'll work, but be backwards17:25
waldo323_rick_h, thanks17:26
snap-lYeah, reversed polarity17:26
ColonelPanic001reversing polarity is a good skill to have in case you ever join Starfleet17:26
rick_hwaldo323_: np, it's a cheap $8 little plug thing, very handy when you replace/update outlets...say you've got to install baby proof outlets all over your house17:26
snap-lbut because it's AC, it'll still work for most devices.17:26
greg-goh, $8? I might just have to amazon one :)17:27
rick_hhttp://www.amazon.com/50542-Receptacle-Tester-Improper-Indicator/dp/B002LZTKIA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333042038&sr=8-117:27
rick_h$7.45 sorry... assuming you're all prime members :)17:27
snap-lOrdered one17:28
waldo323_Note also that simple three light testers cannot detect two potentially serious house wiring errors: (1) neutral and ground reversed at the receptacle. (2) a "bootleg" ground, where the neutral and ground pins have been connected together at the receptacle. (Done by someone to attempt to fool the three light tester, typically if 3-prong outlets have been retrofitted to an old house with only two physical wires in the conduit.)17:28
rick_hdamn, where's my referral code when I need it?!17:29
snap-lI really need to get off the Claritin-D. I'm extremely suggestible.17:29
waldo323_lol17:29
waldo323_was just going to ask about that17:29
waldo323_the referral code that is17:29
greg-gman, so, does anyone else get scared when pluggin in testing tools into outlets? I mean, I know they're made to handle most situations, but, electricity kills!17:29
rick_hgreg-g: no it doesn't17:29
snap-lgreg-g: 110 will not kill you17:29
_stink_i just use my tongue and two screwdrivers17:29
greg-ghaha17:29
rick_hI've shocked the crap out of myself...never more than a stutter for a day/two17:29
greg-glol17:30
_stink_hehe17:30
snap-ltake it from someone who touched the prongs on the vacuum cleaner17:30
greg-gsnap-l: yikes!17:30
rick_hmy wife gets like that17:30
snap-land have grounded more power supplies than I care to admit.17:30
rick_hwhen I wired the garage with the subpanel she had to leave the ohuse she was going to have a heart attack17:30
snap-lgreg-g: As long as the power doesn't go over the chest area, you're likely fine17:30
greg-grick_h: wow17:30
greg-gsnap-l: yeah17:30
brouschi used to be a Windows user, then i touched the wires in a light fixture and now i use linux. superpowers17:31
snap-lTrust me: Electricity has better things to ground it than you.17:31
rick_hbut I have done stupid things like swap out light mounts without killing power and given myself a couple of good jolts17:31
greg-gI mean, I guess it is stuff that I don't know what was going on behind the wall (see previous comment about the wiring job of our house). If I'm working on something and I can trace it back to the power panel, then I'll probably feel ok. Hell I was going to rewire the basement outlets at my old rental.17:31
rick_hnothing replaces having a nicely labeled breaker box17:31
snap-lrick_h: ++17:31
waldo323_rick_h ++17:32
rick_hwell worth the day screaming across the house to get that done17:32
_stink_yeah, we did that after buying our new house.  i could not believe it wasn't done17:33
waldo323_or running up and down the stairs a dozen times17:33
greg-gyeah, that is one thing that was done well here, the breaker box is labelled well. I just don't believe that there isn't some crossing of the wirese somewhere :)17:34
greg-gI ended up ordering this one for $2 more, it does GFI testing as well: http://www.amazon.com/50957-Tester-Installation-Operation-110-125V/dp/B002LZTKIU/ref=pd_bxgy_hi_img_b17:35
rick_hgreg-g: yea, home ownership...when you realize that people will do anything to make it work17:35
rick_hgreg-g: ah, that one looks like mine more17:35
greg-gw00t I'm like rick_h17:41
rick_hyou too can run through every outlet in your house praying this one lights up "all clear" so you don't have to break it open!17:41
greg-gweee17:43
brouschdo not wee on the outlet17:46
greg-gthen why is there an outlet next to the toilet?17:47
greg-gseriously, there are outlets next to every toilet. Is it for those fancy heated seats?17:47
brouschi guess17:47
_stink_duh, it's if your phone runs low on battery while you are crapping17:48
brouschfancy japanese motorized toilet17:48
ColonelPanic001when I get a house, I figured on running network cable to nearly every room17:49
ColonelPanic001I, for a few minutes, debated whether or not that would include the bathroom(s)17:49
rick_hI did, I figured one day I'd have network music gear in there17:49
rick_hwell, not hte current houes, but a previous house17:49
greg-grick_h: YES!17:49
brouschare you really in the bathroom for so long you need a stereo system in there?17:50
greg-gpooping+shaving+showering can take a while17:50
_stink_you don't shave.17:50
greg-gtrue.17:51
ColonelPanic001my debate resolved with "No Mike, you're being stupid again"17:51
rick_hhey, on trimming days when I've got to do the full head shave, face shave, shower, and such I listen to an audio book :)17:51
ColonelPanic001clearly worth the time, effort, money17:51
rick_hI have the external speaker hooked up to the phone17:51
* brousch suppresses sexist jokes17:52
ColonelPanic001oh. Well, that's what I was going to suggest17:52
greg-grick_h: how long does that take you, seriously?17:52
rick_hgreg-g: 20-25min?17:52
rick_hfor all three17:52
_stink_wow17:53
rick_hdo that a couple times a week and I've got an hour of book reading in17:53
_stink_pretty fast17:53
ColonelPanic001I just don't shave17:53
ColonelPanic001problem solved17:53
_stink_+117:53
rick_hyea, I mean it's not like I'm sitting in a mirror working around my fancy hair do17:53
rick_hit's a pretty all or nothing kind of hit/run job17:53
ColonelPanic001as an additional bonus, I have a scruffy homeless-guy-looking beard17:53
greg-gyou need to start shaving FLOSS-related logos into your hair17:53
ColonelPanic001YES17:53
* snap-l suppresses the permanent jokes for rick_h17:54
greg-glike the musicbrainz guy17:54
rick_hyea, see that requires effort17:54
ColonelPanic001greg-g++17:54
ColonelPanic001shave a gnu into your head17:54
brouschi want to see the Pyramid logo on rick_h's head at pyohio17:54
ColonelPanic001or a line drawing of rms17:54
greg-goh man oh man oh man, so good17:54
ColonelPanic001do a drawing of ESR for Pengicon, see if he notices17:54
snap-l"I'm your worst nightmare"17:55
ColonelPanic001if he does notice and mention it to you, squeal like a 13 year old girl at the Twilight premere and run off17:55
* snap-l would love to hear Craig Mundy's version of that encounter.17:55
snap-lhttp://jordanmechner.com/blog/2012/03/prince-of-persia-source-code-found/19:34
brouschconvert php to web2py. this is awesome http://www.web2py.com/php20:41
greg-ghmmm, do I upgrade now?21:24
rick_hnope21:38
greg-gok.21:39
snap-lgreg-g: BTW: can I bug you later to review some copy that I'll be using to introduce the CC license to folks who might not otherwise know what it is?22:24
greg-gsnap-l: of course.22:25
greg-gemail is best, greg@grossmeier.net22:25
snap-lSweet. Thank you.22:25
snap-lHaven't written it yet, but will later on22:25
* greg-g nods22:25
greg-ggood god man, snap-l , that Moth story.22:28
snap-lgreg-g: Yeah, that tore me to pieces22:29

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