[00:14] <widox> http://parcellite.sourceforge.net/
[03:42] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU0pYPF0Yzc
[12:02] <rick_h> morning
[12:42] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:46] <brousch> snap-l: no it's not. earl scruggs is dead
[12:47] <mydogsnameisrudy> earl scuggs died?   ;(
[12:47] <brousch> he did
[12:47] <mydogsnameisrudy> first thing i ever played was 5string banjo
[12:47] <mydogsnameisrudy> bah
[12:47] <brousch> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2012/01/steve-martin-earl-scruggs.html
[12:48] <snap-l> Oh man, that's a shame
[12:49] <mydogsnameisrudy> well another great went to meet the maker
[12:49] <snap-l> We all get there in good time
[12:55] <jrwren> good morning
[13:01] <jrwren> gah.
[13:01] <jrwren> what a shitty way to ruin the day.
[13:08] <snap-l> I didn't realize we had so many bluegrass fans. :)
[13:08] <rick_h> me either, though I think you get automatic cool points if steve martin is writing your article about your death
[13:09] <brousch> i like fast bluegrass with no vocals
[13:09] <mydogsnameisrudy> steve martin plays  very well
[13:09] <snap-l> I love the music, but the vocals make me want to punch babies
[13:10] <snap-l> It's like everything I hate about country music rolled into concentrated form
[13:10] <snap-l> The twaaaaaaaauuuuuunnnnnng
[13:10] <jrwren> snap-l: I still miss Larry McDaniel on WDET
[13:10] <jrwren> there are non twang vocals to be found.
[13:10] <snap-l> bipping bat back bork skiddy diddly dig dat spoonerflat.
[13:11] <jrwren> i skip the twang
[13:11] <snap-l> Yeah, I think I caught that show
[13:11] <mydogsnameisrudy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW-w0KgE-8s
[13:11] <jrwren> snap-l: it was on for at least 20 yrs.
[13:11] <snap-l> I'd make it through one song thinking "Yeah, I can do this", and then the next song would show up, and I couldn't flip it fast enough
[13:11] <snap-l> jrwren: When did they go off the air?
[13:12] <snap-l> s/they/he/
[13:12] <snap-l> I know they moved Ed Love about a year ago, which still pisses me off
[13:12] <snap-l> maybe more than that, now that I think about it
[13:13] <jrwren> snap-l: i stopped listening to WDET after that new GM reorg kerfuffle
[13:13] <snap-l> Yeah, OK
[13:13] <snap-l> WHen they became WUOM East.
[13:13] <jrwren> ha!, yup.
[13:13] <jrwren> WFUM south
[13:14] <jrwren> WGTE north
[13:14] <snap-l> I wonder if part of it was the ASCAP / BMI licensing
[13:14] <snap-l> they were extremely music heavy for a NPR affiliate.
[13:14] <jrwren> could be.
[13:14] <jrwren> and internet streaming makes that even more difficult
[13:15] <snap-l> Definitely
[13:15] <jrwren> they probably wanted to stream online and ASCAP said no
[13:15] <snap-l> I read the hoops that JWZ goes through for his DNA LOunge streams, and weep.
[13:15] <jrwren> that happened to WXOU when I setup their online streaming :)
[13:16] <snap-l> jrwren: Oh no doubt. It's why WTHS doesn't stream outside of Hope's campus
[13:16] <jrwren> i'm not surprised.
[13:16] <jrwren> ya know what it is?
[13:17] <snap-l> WXOU?
[13:17] <snap-l> Yeah, it's Oakland University's student station
[13:17] <jrwren> no, the limitations.
[13:17] <jrwren> its bullshit, that is waht it is.
[13:17] <snap-l> Oh, definitely
[13:18] <snap-l> It's the control of music and expression
[13:18] <snap-l> It's part of the reason I do a CC show.
[13:19] <snap-l> a very large part.
[13:19] <snap-l> It's why I subscribe to Magnatune
[13:20] <snap-l> It's why I think this is the bee's knees: http://moodmixes.com/
[16:32] <greg-g> so, you know that outlet issue yesterday, magically fixed itself over the night. NO EFFING CLUE
[16:34] <snap-l> greg-g: You don't happen to have ground-fault outlets that recently tripped, do you?
[16:34] <rick_h> heh, we sent him searching the house for those yesterday
[16:35] <rick_h> greg-g: tell your little one to quick stabbing the outlets and grounding them out to other things
[16:35] <snap-l> Yeah, we had one in our apartment kitchen that would cut the entire kitchen circuit off (save for the high-power appliances)
[16:36] <snap-l> greg-g: Is this a house or apartment (shared with others?)
[16:36] <greg-g> snap-l: a house
[16:36] <snap-l> And about how old is the wiring?
[16:36] <greg-g> and yeah, yesterday I checked every single one of thost GFI outlets
[16:37] <waldo323_> mouse?
[16:37] <greg-g> though, to be honest, I didn't check the garage
[16:37] <snap-l> Garage _should_ be on a separate circuit
[16:37] <greg-g> waldo323_: unlikely given the recent remodel, but, as good a guess as any right now :)
[16:38] <greg-g> snap-l: right, but, after having the AT&T tech come in and say "wow, whoever did you wiring no only didn't know what they were doing, but didn't have the right tools" I'm not in the mood to trust much
[16:38] <greg-g> s/no only/not only/
[16:38] <snap-l> Ah, lovely.
[16:38] <greg-g> yeah
[16:38] <snap-l> Yeah, at least where we're living we can attribute it to about 50 years of learning
[16:39] <greg-g> hah, nice
[16:39] <snap-l> ie: no ground anywhere but the bathroom
[16:39] <greg-g> "life long learning"
[16:39] <snap-l> Well, it's an older house.
[16:39] <snap-l> so not everything is up to current codes.
[16:40] <greg-g> this one is too, but it should be current code-wise now given the remodel. I think it is 1940, maybe 30s
[16:40] <snap-l> Quick test: Turn on a lamp on each of the rooms, and flip the breakers
[16:40] <snap-l> If one side of your house goes out with one breaker flip, you know what you're dealing with. :)
[16:41] <snap-l> also check the switches. They should be more than just black / white wiring if they're more recent.
[16:41] <snap-l> Found that one out the hard way when I tried putting in some X10 wall switches
[16:42] <greg-g> yeah, I might do some more thorough testing tomorrow when I work from home again (today I'm at the office)
[16:45] <greg-g> btw, where I live: http://stmaryspark.blogspot.com/
[16:46] <greg-g> my next door neighbor: http://50justin.com/ (I'm at 60 Justin, you can see a sliver of our place in those photos)
[16:47] <snap-l> Someone actually made a website for their house?
[16:47] <snap-l> That's insane
[16:48] <_Marcus> I should make a website for my house
[16:48] <_Marcus> And include a blog
[16:48] <ColonelPanic001> https://twitter.com/#!/foxydenardis
[16:48] <ColonelPanic001> almost as bad
[16:48] <_Marcus> "Today it rained, and the bricks are wet"
[16:48] <snap-l> _Marcus: You could have the house tweet too
[16:48] <ColonelPanic001> "Bird crapped on my roof again. So it goes"
[16:48] <_Marcus> #ihatebirds
[16:49] <ColonelPanic001> haha
[16:49] <snap-l> "Stupid occupants are out mowing the lawn again. Would it kill them to go for straight lines?"
[16:50] <snap-l> "I thought it was Miller Time after you mowed the lawn, but for this idiot, it must be before, during, and after"
[16:50] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[16:51] <snap-l> "I'd drop a piece of siding on his head if a) I could ensure it would kill him, and b) if it wouldn't take three weeks for him to notice"
[16:52] <snap-l> "It's not a roof leak, it's me trying to take a piss on your head"
[16:55] <greg-g> so, I was really considering getting 60justin.org so I could set up a house wiki and mailing list
[16:55] <greg-g> since it is a quasi-coop
[16:56] <greg-g> btw, this photo is really cool http://50justin.com/images/old_house_boat_lrg.jpg
[16:57] <greg-g> oh, and I met the guy who owns 50 justin, he's just remodeling right now. He lives over in the East Bay. Nice guy.
[17:21] <brousch> greg-g: we had intermittent power problems for years. it turns out the GFI in the bathroom was wired in backwards. i fixed that and no problems since
[17:22] <greg-g> hmmmm
[17:22] <greg-g> effing electricity
[17:22] <greg-g> ;)
[17:23] <waldo323_> brousch, is there a tool that would help check for that? or do you just need to look at the wires to figure that out?
[17:23] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001's a tool
[17:23] <rick_h> waldo323_: yea, there's a nice tool you can get that plugs into an outlet and checks the wiring
[17:23] <rick_h> I use it all the time
[17:23] <brousch> i have no idea
[17:23]  * waldo323_ 's house needs an update or several
[17:23] <rick_h> basically three prongs with a box and lights onthe back
[17:23] <waldo323_> oh good
[17:23] <rick_h> and the lights go off with issues
[17:24] <brousch> i was under the impression the outlet wouldn't work if it was wired in wrong, but i guess i was mistaken
[17:24] <snap-l> rick_h: Yeah, It's called a UPS. :)
[17:24] <waldo323_> depends on how wrong maybe?
[17:25] <rick_h> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Receptacle_tester
[17:25]  * snap-l is only half-joking. UPSes usually have some way to tell you that the wiring is funky.
[17:25] <brousch> i don't know why, but i saw that as "testicle tester"
[17:25] <rick_h> no, say it's not grouneded right, it'll still work, but possible to short
[17:25] <snap-l> brousch: Wishful thinking?
[17:25] <ColonelPanic001> :(
[17:25] <rick_h> and outlets can be backwards, they'll work, but be backwards
[17:26] <waldo323_> rick_h, thanks
[17:26] <snap-l> Yeah, reversed polarity
[17:26] <ColonelPanic001> reversing polarity is a good skill to have in case you ever join Starfleet
[17:26] <rick_h> waldo323_: np, it's a cheap $8 little plug thing, very handy when you replace/update outlets...say you've got to install baby proof outlets all over your house
[17:26] <snap-l> but because it's AC, it'll still work for most devices.
[17:27] <greg-g> oh, $8? I might just have to amazon one :)
[17:27] <rick_h> http://www.amazon.com/50542-Receptacle-Tester-Improper-Indicator/dp/B002LZTKIA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333042038&sr=8-1
[17:27] <rick_h> $7.45 sorry... assuming you're all prime members :)
[17:28] <snap-l> Ordered one
[17:28] <waldo323_> Note also that simple three light testers cannot detect two potentially serious house wiring errors: (1) neutral and ground reversed at the receptacle. (2) a "bootleg" ground, where the neutral and ground pins have been connected together at the receptacle. (Done by someone to attempt to fool the three light tester, typically if 3-prong outlets have been retrofitted to an old house with only two physical wires in the conduit.)
[17:29] <rick_h> damn, where's my referral code when I need it?!
[17:29] <snap-l> I really need to get off the Claritin-D. I'm extremely suggestible.
[17:29] <waldo323_> lol
[17:29] <waldo323_> was just going to ask about that
[17:29] <waldo323_> the referral code that is
[17:29] <greg-g> man, so, does anyone else get scared when pluggin in testing tools into outlets? I mean, I know they're made to handle most situations, but, electricity kills!
[17:29] <rick_h> greg-g: no it doesn't
[17:29] <snap-l> greg-g: 110 will not kill you
[17:29] <_stink_> i just use my tongue and two screwdrivers
[17:29] <greg-g> haha
[17:29] <rick_h> I've shocked the crap out of myself...never more than a stutter for a day/two
[17:30] <greg-g> lol
[17:30] <_stink_> hehe
[17:30] <snap-l> take it from someone who touched the prongs on the vacuum cleaner
[17:30] <greg-g> snap-l: yikes!
[17:30] <rick_h> my wife gets like that
[17:30] <snap-l> and have grounded more power supplies than I care to admit.
[17:30] <rick_h> when I wired the garage with the subpanel she had to leave the ohuse she was going to have a heart attack
[17:30] <snap-l> greg-g: As long as the power doesn't go over the chest area, you're likely fine
[17:30] <greg-g> rick_h: wow
[17:30] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah
[17:31] <brousch> i used to be a Windows user, then i touched the wires in a light fixture and now i use linux. superpowers
[17:31] <snap-l> Trust me: Electricity has better things to ground it than you.
[17:31] <rick_h> but I have done stupid things like swap out light mounts without killing power and given myself a couple of good jolts
[17:31] <greg-g> I mean, I guess it is stuff that I don't know what was going on behind the wall (see previous comment about the wiring job of our house). If I'm working on something and I can trace it back to the power panel, then I'll probably feel ok. Hell I was going to rewire the basement outlets at my old rental.
[17:31] <rick_h> nothing replaces having a nicely labeled breaker box
[17:31] <snap-l> rick_h: ++
[17:32] <waldo323_> rick_h ++
[17:32] <rick_h> well worth the day screaming across the house to get that done
[17:33] <_stink_> yeah, we did that after buying our new house.  i could not believe it wasn't done
[17:33] <waldo323_> or running up and down the stairs a dozen times
[17:34] <greg-g> yeah, that is one thing that was done well here, the breaker box is labelled well. I just don't believe that there isn't some crossing of the wirese somewhere :)
[17:35] <greg-g> I ended up ordering this one for $2 more, it does GFI testing as well: http://www.amazon.com/50957-Tester-Installation-Operation-110-125V/dp/B002LZTKIU/ref=pd_bxgy_hi_img_b
[17:35] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, home ownership...when you realize that people will do anything to make it work
[17:35] <rick_h> greg-g: ah, that one looks like mine more
[17:41] <greg-g> w00t I'm like rick_h
[17:41] <rick_h> you too can run through every outlet in your house praying this one lights up "all clear" so you don't have to break it open!
[17:43] <greg-g> weee
[17:46] <brousch> do not wee on the outlet
[17:47] <greg-g> then why is there an outlet next to the toilet?
[17:47] <greg-g> seriously, there are outlets next to every toilet. Is it for those fancy heated seats?
[17:47] <brousch> i guess
[17:48] <_stink_> duh, it's if your phone runs low on battery while you are crapping
[17:48] <brousch> fancy japanese motorized toilet
[17:49] <ColonelPanic001> when I get a house, I figured on running network cable to nearly every room
[17:49] <ColonelPanic001> I, for a few minutes, debated whether or not that would include the bathroom(s)
[17:49] <rick_h> I did, I figured one day I'd have network music gear in there
[17:49] <rick_h> well, not hte current houes, but a previous house
[17:49] <greg-g> rick_h: YES!
[17:50] <brousch> are you really in the bathroom for so long you need a stereo system in there?
[17:50] <greg-g> pooping+shaving+showering can take a while
[17:50] <_stink_> you don't shave.
[17:51] <greg-g> true.
[17:51] <ColonelPanic001> my debate resolved with "No Mike, you're being stupid again"
[17:51] <rick_h> hey, on trimming days when I've got to do the full head shave, face shave, shower, and such I listen to an audio book :)
[17:51] <ColonelPanic001> clearly worth the time, effort, money
[17:51] <rick_h> I have the external speaker hooked up to the phone
[17:52]  * brousch suppresses sexist jokes
[17:52] <ColonelPanic001> oh. Well, that's what I was going to suggest
[17:52] <greg-g> rick_h: how long does that take you, seriously?
[17:52] <rick_h> greg-g: 20-25min?
[17:52] <rick_h> for all three
[17:53] <_stink_> wow
[17:53] <rick_h> do that a couple times a week and I've got an hour of book reading in
[17:53] <_stink_> pretty fast
[17:53] <ColonelPanic001> I just don't shave
[17:53] <ColonelPanic001> problem solved
[17:53] <_stink_> +1
[17:53] <rick_h> yea, I mean it's not like I'm sitting in a mirror working around my fancy hair do
[17:53] <rick_h> it's a pretty all or nothing kind of hit/run job
[17:53] <ColonelPanic001> as an additional bonus, I have a scruffy homeless-guy-looking beard
[17:53] <greg-g> you need to start shaving FLOSS-related logos into your hair
[17:53] <ColonelPanic001> YES
[17:54]  * snap-l suppresses the permanent jokes for rick_h
[17:54] <greg-g> like the musicbrainz guy
[17:54] <rick_h> yea, see that requires effort
[17:54] <ColonelPanic001> greg-g++
[17:54] <ColonelPanic001> shave a gnu into your head
[17:54] <brousch> i want to see the Pyramid logo on rick_h's head at pyohio
[17:54] <ColonelPanic001> or a line drawing of rms
[17:54] <greg-g> oh man oh man oh man, so good
[17:54] <ColonelPanic001> do a drawing of ESR for Pengicon, see if he notices
[17:55] <snap-l> "I'm your worst nightmare"
[17:55] <ColonelPanic001> if he does notice and mention it to you, squeal like a 13 year old girl at the Twilight premere and run off
[17:55]  * snap-l would love to hear Craig Mundy's version of that encounter.
[19:34] <snap-l> http://jordanmechner.com/blog/2012/03/prince-of-persia-source-code-found/
[20:41] <brousch> convert php to web2py. this is awesome http://www.web2py.com/php
[21:24] <greg-g> hmmm, do I upgrade now?
[21:38] <rick_h> nope
[21:39] <greg-g> ok.
[22:24] <snap-l> greg-g: BTW: can I bug you later to review some copy that I'll be using to introduce the CC license to folks who might not otherwise know what it is?
[22:25] <greg-g> snap-l: of course.
[22:25] <greg-g> email is best, greg@grossmeier.net
[22:25] <snap-l> Sweet. Thank you.
[22:25] <snap-l> Haven't written it yet, but will later on
[22:25]  * greg-g nods
[22:28] <greg-g> good god man, snap-l , that Moth story.
[22:29] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, that tore me to pieces