[00:05] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: pipe to a text file and grep every once in a while
[00:09] <cythes> jedijf, Using your mind tricks again?
[00:14] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: tail -f /var/log/syslog 2>&1 | grep -i usb
[00:14] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: to look for usb
[00:14] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: active
[03:09] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: The point was to have it continuously update without doing it once in awhile. If I was just going to keep repeating commands I would grep first and then run through tail so I could avoid the temp file
[03:16] <waltman> I just ran "tail -f access.log | grep GET" and it printed out 10 lines immediately.
[03:20] <ChinnoDog> mine doesn't...
[03:20] <ChinnoDog> Maybe your -f doesn't work
[03:22] <waltman> no, it definitely works
[03:22] <waltman> I use it all the time
[03:22] <pleia2> yeah, me too
[03:22] <pleia2> I thought I had misunderstood your question
[03:23] <waltman> actually when I generally use is "tail --follow=name" which is better for tailing log files that get swapped out periodically
[03:23] <pleia2> nice
[03:27] <waltman> ChinnoDog: are you running an ancient version of tail?
[03:27] <waltman> I've had similar problems grepping the output of other programs, but not tail -f.
[03:28] <ChinnoDog> hinnodog@spork:/var/log/nginx$ tail --follow=www.chinnodog.com.access.log
[03:28] <ChinnoDog> tail: invalid argument `www.chinnodog.com.access.log' for `--follow'
[03:28] <ChinnoDog> It looks right to me
[03:29] <waltman> no, it has to be literally "name"
[03:29] <waltman> tail --follow=name www.chinnodog.com.access.log
[03:30] <waltman> There's some system programming trick, like you don't do buffered io if stdout is a tty or a pipe.
[03:31] <ChinnoDog> that still doesn't allow the pipe to run asynchronously
[03:31] <ChinnoDog> the man page says that tail --follow=name is equivalent to tail -F
[03:31] <ChinnoDog> I tried both, neither one cooperate with my pipe
[03:32] <pleia2> ChinnoDog has a broken tail
[03:33] <pleia2> only 44 minutes left in the airplane ride \o/
[03:33] <waltman> try 'grep --line-buffered'
[03:35] <waltman> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/trying-to-understand-pipes-cant-pipe-output-from-tail-f-to-grep-then-grep-again-646932/
[03:35] <ChinnoDog> oh... I figured i tout
[03:35] <ChinnoDog> it out
[03:35] <ChinnoDog> user error. lol. It /does/ work, but I wasn't supplying -n= for my tail command so there wasn't anything to grep
[03:36] <ChinnoDog> thanks waltman
[03:36] <pleia2> -n defaults to 10
[03:36] <ChinnoDog> it wasn't enough
[03:36] <pleia2> so there was something to grep, just not enough?
[03:37] <waltman> http://fisica.ehu.es/ref/unixfaq.html#3.14
[03:37] <waltman> LOL
[03:37] <PennBot> Title: UNIX FAQ (at fisica.ehu.es)
[03:37] <ChinnoDog> I inserted a web bug into an email I sent earlier. The recipient told me someone had "hacked into her email". I am curious what IPs will read the email I sent.
[03:39] <waltman> pleia2: do you have power as well as nets?
[03:40] <pleia2> waltman: no :(
[03:40] <pleia2> down to 15% battery, at 10% the mini9 has a feature where it starts system beeping obnoxiously
[03:40] <waltman> boo
[03:41] <pleia2> extra sucky since I have an extended battery, 10% is like 45 minutes
[03:41] <waltman> I thought you got upgraded to first class.
[03:41] <pleia2> we did, no power on US Air first :(
[03:41] <waltman> weak.
[03:41] <ChinnoDog> That does not sound like a feature pleia2
[03:41] <pleia2> I think they used to, but they pulled everything out of their planes to make them lighter a few years back
[03:41] <waltman> I can see not giving power to the losers back in steerage :)
[03:41] <ChinnoDog> Maybe you could cut the motherboard trade to the system speaker and replace it with an LED
[03:42] <ChinnoDog> s/trade/trace
[03:42] <waltman> Maybe you could unplug the coffee pot in the galley :)
[03:42] <pleia2> hehe
[03:42] <pleia2> "don't mind me"
[03:42] <pleia2> and then "DC, drat!"
[03:42] <waltman> They should at least offer extension cords to their first class customers!
[03:43] <pleia2> I had power in coach on luftansa when I flew to germany last year, but no internets :(
[03:43] <pleia2> apparently they have internet on their planes now, but it wasn't all that common over the atlantic before
[03:44] <waltman> On my last flight across the pond I didn't have internet, but I did have power AND a powered usb plug.
[03:45] <pleia2> I don't know what to do with a computer without internet
[03:45] <pleia2> watch movies I guess
[03:45] <ChinnoDog> Write reports?
[03:45] <waltman> journaling? movies? expense report?
[03:45] <ChinnoDog> Write blog posts in your offline blog poster?
[03:46] <pleia2> I store no information in my brain, I even need to look things up on the tubes to write
[03:46] <ChinnoDog> write programs
[03:46] <waltman> aka "emacs" :)
[03:46] <ChinnoDog> edit photos
[03:47] <waltman> read PDFs
[03:47] <pleia2> edit photos is good, I got all my san juan photos prepped for upload on a flight once
[03:47] <waltman> academic conferences still give out proceedings CDs.
[03:47] <pleia2> that was a good flight, san juan is international-ish according to usair and we got upgraded to envoy
[03:47] <pleia2> you have a whole booth seat!
[03:48] <pleia2> and power, and cookies
[03:48] <waltman> mmm, cookies
[03:48] <pleia2> this flight had raspberry cheesecake
[03:49] <waltman> awesome.  what was the entree?
[03:49] <pleia2> and shrimp cocktail!
[03:49] <pleia2> chicken with some mushroom sauce 
[03:49] <waltman> the only food I remember from the ONE TIME IN MY LIFE I flew first class was the warmed up nuts.
[03:50] <pleia2> bah
[03:50] <waltman> I've never gotten upgraded :(
[03:50] <waltman> I do, however, currently have like a zillion miles on usair
[03:50] <pleia2> on short flights they have little snacks (I get upgraded Phoenix to SF most of the time)
[03:50] <pleia2> flying on a wednesday is good for upgrades
[03:50] <pleia2> weekends not so much
[03:51] <waltman> do you have to ask, or do they just do it?
[03:51] <pleia2> if you have status it's automatic a few days before
[03:51] <waltman> or do they just see that you're a princess? :)
[03:51] <waltman> "status"?
[03:51] <pleia2> if you don't get it you can get put on a wait list when you check in, in case someone doesn't show up
[03:51] <pleia2>  silver, gold, etc
[03:51] <pleia2> based on miles in the past year
[03:51] <waltman> ah
[03:52] <pleia2> so I had 50k miles last year, I'm gold this year
[03:52] <pleia2> (first time, woo!)
[03:52] <pleia2> but MJ was platinum last year, and if I'm ticketed with him I could get upgrades on his platinum status
[03:52] <pleia2> he's just gold this year too ;)
[03:53] <waltman> I don't think I've even set foot on an airplane since september, 2010 :(
[03:53] <ChinnoDog> I have. They weren't fun experiences. Lots of delays.
[03:53] <pleia2> I didn't think I'd fly much this year, but wedding stuff will bring us back to philly a few times
[03:54] <waltman> There's a chance I'll be flying more later in the year.
[03:55] <pleia2> :)
[03:55] <waltman> I've got to, like, find a job.
[03:55] <pleia2> yeah, jobs are a good thing to get
[03:55] <waltman> And take a much-needed vacation.
[03:55] <waltman> not necessarily in that order :)
[03:55] <pleia2> hehe
[03:55] <pleia2> I need a vacation after this philly trip ;) but I don't think my boss will go for it
[03:56] <waltman> He might. He's a pretty nice guy.
[03:56] <waltman> Tell him it's Bucky-related!
[03:56] <pleia2> I'll wait until UDS to abandon him again
[03:56] <pleia2> lol
[03:56] <waltman> where is it this year?
[03:56] <pleia2> pick a random city, there has to be a geodesic dome somewhere
[03:57] <waltman> exactly!
[03:57] <pleia2> oakland, 20 minute transit ride
[03:57] <pleia2> no plane :(
[03:57] <waltman> a bit less exotic than Budapest :(
[03:57] <pleia2> no hotel either
[03:57] <pleia2> yeah
[03:57] <pleia2> I mean,  other people go to a hotel, I go home
[03:57] <pleia2> it's a crappy hotel in oakland (there aren't any other kind)
[03:58] <waltman> You're going to miss out on the all-important pub track!
[03:58] <pleia2> sobriety is not a dependency for riding BART home
[03:58] <pleia2> although, midnight is
[04:00] <pleia2> the 10% beeping isn't as annoying on a loud plane, I can barely hear it
[04:01] <waltman> yay
[04:01] <waltman> Speaking of midnight...
[04:01] <waltman> I think it's time to turn in.  Have a safe rest of your trip home.
[04:01] <pleia2> I should shut down anyway, at 22,000 ft, landing in 20
[04:01] <pleia2> thanks, good night :)
[09:28] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:31] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[09:47] <JonathanD> Hey rmg51
[09:47] <rmg51> o/
[13:37] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: did you see the 2>%1 redirect it works as you wanted i believe
[13:40] <jedijf> *&1   driving
[13:44] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: I'll check that out
[13:45] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: I'm doing a parbaking experiment. I made dough last night. After work today I am going to bake it 80% of the way and then store it to see if I can finish baking it later.
[13:46] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: the par bake will work
[13:47] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: so will this
[13:47] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: tail -f /var/log/syslog 2>&1 | grep -i usb
[13:48] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: what does a par baked loaf look like? Should it be completely white?
[13:48] <jedijf> prett much
[13:48] <jedijf> it looks like what it is; undone
[13:49] <jedijf> you can freeze and thaw and bake, or refrig and then just bake
[13:50] <jedijf> and some restaurants don't even bake off the dinner rolls (ewww)\
[13:51] <passstab> n2diy (i think you where the one that could use this)
[13:51] <passstab> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA3ODQ
[13:51] <PennBot> Title: [Phoronix] On Old Hardware, Think Twice About Ubuntu 12.04 (at www.phoronix.com)
[13:52] <jedijf> are you always this positive?
[13:55] <jedijf> the whole modern desktop 'thing' is anti old graphics with the emphasis on effects. that's unity or gnome, don't really know about kde
[13:55] <passstab> geez i thought it would be good info
[13:56] <jedijf> it may be
[13:56] <passstab> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/03/researcher-publishes-specs-for-real-linux-powered-star-trek-tricorder.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss
[13:56] <PennBot> Title: Researcher publishes specs for real Linux-powered Star Trek tricorder (at arstechnica.com)
[13:56] <passstab> that better?
[13:56] <jedijf> but, it may also be common sense
[13:56] <jedijf> passstab: much better
[13:59] <jedijf> and old is real subjective
[14:00] <jedijf> like, i guess all single cores are old
[14:01] <jedijf> dual qualify for aarp discounts
[14:02] <passstab> lol
[14:02] <passstab> heres something else positive
[14:02] <passstab> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/03/red-hat-hits-a-billion-dollars-in-revenue-a-milestone-for-open-source.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss
[14:02] <PennBot> Title: Red Hat hits $1 billion in revenue, a milestone for open source (at arstechnica.com)
[14:02] <jedijf> that's awesome
[14:03] <passstab> i am NOT using this to say redhat > canon
[14:03] <jedijf> i didn't acuse you
[14:04] <jedijf> how does that compare to others though? ibm, sun,hp
[14:04] <jedijf> for the same services
[14:04] <passstab> yes that is a good point
[14:05] <passstab> but none of those are DEDICATED to free software
[14:05] <passstab> maybe sun at one time
[14:05] <passstab> idk
[14:07] <jedijf> to their credit, the 3 i mentioned have always been 'friendly'
[14:07] <jedijf> just don't say that about ibm in #os2
[14:08] <passstab> ok
[14:08] <passstab> yes friendly is good
[14:09] <jedijf> my first linux is the devil now...SCO
[14:12] <jedijf> heh, they had a book and a 5 1/4 floppy, i was in
[14:13] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: I usually bag my loaves while they are still hot to get that soft sandwich bread crust. Do I do that for a par baked loaf or cool in open air and bag it after final bake?
[14:13] <jedijf> cool open , the plastic will kill the bread after its baked
[14:13] <jedijf> ewww plastic
[14:14] <passstab> what kind of bread?
[14:14]  * jedijf bets sourdough
[14:14] <ChinnoDog> always sourdough
[14:15] <passstab> :)
[14:15] <passstab> my mother make alot of sourdough
[14:16]  * ChinnoDog noms some thick sliced sourdough french toast
[14:16] <jedijf> 4chyou should do a challah
[14:16] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: ^^
[14:17] <jedijf> just a loaf to start for f t - then move to braiding
[14:17] <ChinnoDog> I've thought about that. I do like challah
[14:17] <jedijf> or a brioche
[14:18] <jedijf> challah, especially braided would give you baker c red
[14:18] <ChinnoDog> But, doesn't challah have a lot of egg? It it safe to let egg ferment in my loaf for an extended period of time?
[14:19] <jedijf> not as much egg as you think and yesa it's safe
[14:19] <ChinnoDog> I want to grow sourdough bacteria and yeasts, not salmonella
[14:20] <ChinnoDog> Always? So, when I make overnight waffle or pancake batter maybe I could add the egg the night before instead of in the morning.
[14:20] <jedijf> bakeries use 'eggwash' to get shine on rolls
[14:20] <adom> and melted butter
[14:21] <jedijf> yep
[14:22] <ChinnoDog> If par bake works well I could make a lot of bread at a time and then freeze it
[14:22] <ChinnoDog> or distribute it
[14:23] <ChinnoDog> I need to make an iced cinnamon raisin loaf after I figure out all these baking parameters.
[14:28] <adom> Not sure whats up with all this baking talk, but my only possible addition to the conversation is that at Texas Roadhouse, all of our food is made fresh, including our free hot fresh rolls, and they're served with homemade honey-cinnamon butter and its delicious.
[14:28] <adom> I can't cook/bake well, so I refer you to my knowledge of restaraunt food.
[14:29] <adom> Also, don't feel awkward about asking for a couple baskets of rolls to take home, we throw away so many at the end of the day.
[14:29] <jedijf> steak++
[14:31] <ChinnoDog> I bet those rolls are made with extra extra butter
[14:31] <adom> mmhmm
[14:32] <jedijf> adom: texas is my fave middle steak
[14:32] <adom> "middle steak"?
[14:32] <jedijf> mortons is my current fave
[14:33] <adom> no mortons here :/
[14:33] <waltman> I'm not a real big fan of Texas Roadhouse.
[14:33] <jedijf> middle of road..
[14:33] <adom> we do have a longhorn, and they have pretty good steak
[14:33] <adom> ahh
[14:33] <waltman> combination of the insane waits for tables and all their silly singing
[14:33] <adom> ive liked texas roadhouse steak even before i started working there
[14:33] <jedijf> i prefer texas over outback and longhorn
[14:33] <adom> haha yeah
[14:33] <adom> not so much singing, but we do "YEEHAWW" for birthdays
[14:34] <jedijf> waltman: next bd you're riding the bull
[14:34] <adom> its a bit degrading, but its fun at the same time
[14:34]  * jedijf is lost on lbi :/
[14:34] <adom> so far ive served/bartended at like 4 or 5 places and TRH is probably averaging more tips than other places
[14:34] <waltman> the one on Street Road in NE Philly doesn't have a bull
[14:35] <jedijf> they bring out the saddle
[14:35] <jedijf> i bet they do
[14:35] <adom> the meals arent cheap so the bill is higher, and the atmosphere is "family restaraunt" so its casual and friendly. no college kids getting drunk on quarter drafts not tipping at all.
[14:35] <waltman> also the serving sizes are kinda insane. it reminds me of a cruise ship.
[14:35] <adom> waltman: insane small, or insane large?
[14:36] <waltman> Too big. I'd rather pay less money for a more reasonable portion size.
[14:36] <adom> jedijf: we have the saddle, but only bring it out for kids. everyone else we make stand up on their chair/booth so everyone can see them
[14:36] <adom> waltman: ok, i was going to say, imo the portions are loarge
[14:36] <adom> large
[14:36] <adom> only ever seen one guy finish a full rack of ribs
[14:37] <adom> not to mention you get two sides with most dinners so a bowl of mashed potatoes and a ceasar salad on top of that
[14:37] <adom> all in your belly
[14:37] <waltman> Yeah, TRH is all about the gluttony
[14:37] <adom> ^^ yes, that. mmmmm...
[14:37] <adom> 'Murica
[14:38] <adom> well, Dell rep stopped by yesterday to replace a mobo in a lab PC and all looks good but now PXE boot won't work. this will suck if its the NIC because its onboard so that'd mean another mobo.
[14:39] <jedijf> adom: then you've seen me!
[14:40] <jedijf> just had full rack at sweet lucy's (best bbq) in ne philly
[14:41] <adom> i love ribs but i dont get them while im working because im a really messy eater and i dont want to get my work clothes dirty while im serving
[14:41] <adom> man now im getting hungry anticipating summer weather and BBQs
[14:42] <ChinnoDog> yous are still talking about steak in here?
[14:42] <ChinnoDog> Maybe the next release party should be at a steak house
[14:43] <adom> Oh hey, so, I know most of you all live in/near Philly...my gf just got an interview in Westchester (spell that right?)... so there's a slight chance I could be movingthere.
[14:43] <adom> Very slight, but still.
[14:46] <jedijf> cool, getting closer
[14:53] <adom> Ya, and if I do, I'll be putting in resumes everywhere for admin lackey positions. Anyone need their network drives cleaned or server racks polished?
[15:01] <passstab> ohh is that a thing?
[15:02] <adom> it is if it pays decent
[15:02] <passstab> i don't need that
[15:03] <passstab> i just want to learn
[15:03] <passstab> not that i'd pass on $$$
[15:04] <ChinnoDog> Need your degree in network drive sanitation first.
[15:05] <adom> With a minor in hardware expoliation management.
[15:05] <adom> exfoliation*
[15:05] <adom> i think
[15:06] <ChinnoDog> sup turkey
[15:11] <MutantTurkey> sup digg
[15:14] <passstab> google is broken
[15:14] <passstab> https://www.google.com/search?q=internships+in+philadelphia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a#hl=en&sugexp=frgbld&gs_nf=1&tok=ONvcqHpHxXVOEVN7LJOVYA&pq=internships%20in%20philadelphia&cp=6&gs_id=ea&xhr=t&q=linux+internships+in+philadelphia&pf=p&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aunofficial&sclient=psy-ab&oq=linux+internships+in+philadelphia&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_g
[15:14] <passstab> c.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=356c36cf6ae7959&biw=1280&bih=889
[15:14] <PennBot> Title: internships in philadelphia - Google Search (at www.google.com)
[15:14] <MutantTurkey> passstab: why is it broken?
[15:14] <passstab> internship not job dumb-ass
[15:15] <passstab> look at that
[15:15] <MutantTurkey> google sucks for accuracy
[15:15] <MutantTurkey> i find it quite annoying
[15:16] <MutantTurkey> they return for key terms not for what I need
[15:16] <passstab> i assume ddg is no better
[15:16] <MutantTurkey> ddg is better
[15:16] <MutantTurkey> for other reasons
[15:17] <passstab> no it is for that one also
[15:17] <passstab> http://duckduckgo.com/?q=linux+internships+in+philadelphia
[15:17] <PennBot> Title: linux internships in philadelphia at DuckDuckGo (at duckduckgo.com)
[15:20] <MutantTurkey> why internships?
[15:20] <MutantTurkey> I thought you were in the workforce
[15:21] <passstab> what?
[15:21] <passstab> am i on the wrong end of a bad joke?
[15:23] <passstab> oh your not talking to me :PPPP
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> ...
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> wat
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> i am
[15:28] <MutantTurkey> ugh my professor is now telling my class we need to help africa
[15:28]  * passstab shuts up
[15:28] <MutantTurkey> passstab: I'm confused, why are you looking at internships though?
[15:28] <jedijf> for adom maybe
[15:28] <passstab> ???
[15:29] <passstab> or me?
[15:29]  * passstab is confused
[15:29] <jedijf> professor is right, go help africa
[15:30] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: pfft donating to africa is really hurting them.
[15:31] <MutantTurkey> It undermines local economies and causes widespread mismanagement and corruption.
[15:32] <passstab> i saw a TED about how we should be using scientific trial and error
[15:32] <passstab> to help those places
[15:32] <MutantTurkey> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fweb2.uconn.edu%2Fahking%2FWhy%2520Foreign%2520Aid%2520Is%2520Hurting%2520...pdf&ei=o4B0T_2tJs620AHLvtWDAw&usg=AFQjCNG3zeq5irGvyz4yWnWhPKfx5t_vKw&sig2=DhosjnOLkUZQD95y3GZQXw
[15:33] <MutantTurkey> google sucks.
[15:34] <MutantTurkey> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123758895999200083.html#printMode
[15:34] <PennBot> Title: Why Foreign Aid Is Hurting Africa - WSJ.com (at online.wsj.com)
[15:35] <passstab> http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/jacqueline_novogratz_invests_in_ending_poverty.html
[15:35] <PennBot> Title: Jacqueline Novogratz invests in Africas own solutions | Video on TED.com (at www.ted.com)
[15:36] <passstab> that might be it
[15:36] <passstab> i know the lecturer was fr
[15:36] <passstab> and fe :)
[15:36] <MutantTurkey> ugh i hate dumb people
[15:38] <passstab> sorry :P
[15:39] <jedijf> hackers for charity - johnny longs group is trying to empower people in africa - google it
[15:41] <MutantTurkey> never say try
[15:42] <MutantTurkey> "Being defeated is often a temporary condition, giving up is what makes it permanent."
[15:43] <jedijf> he almost had to give up - money ran out
[15:44] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: whose quote is that?
[15:44] <MutantTurkey> dunno
[15:44] <MutantTurkey> and old man
[15:46] <jedijf> i read this the other night: "The  shortest answer is doing."
[15:46] <ChinnoDog> What is that supposed to mean?
[15:46] <jedijf> dont ask, do
[15:46] <jedijf> nike
[15:46] <jedijf> motivation comes after action
[15:46] <jedijf> etc
[15:47] <ChinnoDog> Things that are worth doing are a lot of work but things that are a lot of work are not necessarily worth doing.
[15:47] <jedijf> who decides worth?
[15:47] <jedijf> lazy bum
[15:48] <ChinnoDog> You do. Or lack of it when you have worked hard and have nothing to show for it.
[15:48] <jedijf> so, why do you bake sourdough, when you could purchase my superior loaf for 3 dollars?
[15:48] <ChinnoDog> Maybe I'm going to start selling it
[15:49] <ChinnoDog> $3 is a lot of profit
[15:49] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: if you can make bread that costs $0 to make, I'll be impressed ;)
[15:49] <jedijf> 3lb loaf is $#
[15:49] <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: it is pretty close to $0!
[15:50] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: are you including gas or electric costs?
[15:50] <jedijf> $3
[15:50] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: if par bake makes bread stop aging then shouldn't you be shipping bread internationally like other bakeries?
[15:50] <jedijf> $3 sliced, baggged and delivered
[15:50] <JonathanD> jedijf: will you deliver me a loaf of bread for $3?
[15:50] <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: no, I have not. Just raw ingredients. Heating probably isn't that bad in large volume.
[15:51] <MutantTurkey> "to have a stable country we need to redistribute the wealth"
[15:51] <MutantTurkey> oh god
[15:51] <MutantTurkey> this guy
[15:51] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: i am content with what i do, enough growth here, i prefer focus
[15:51] <ChinnoDog> Maybe I could find a more efficient way to bake bread than air convection
[15:52] <ChinnoDog> (air convection is not a very efficient way to transfer heat)
[15:53] <jedijf> JonathanD: i'll deliver you a loaf for free
[15:53]  * jedijf is driving around with 6 extra loaves of sour rye to give away
[15:54] <ChinnoDog> mmm, sour rye
[15:56] <jedijf> yeah, it's top-of-the-line
[15:56] <jedijf> 4lb sour rye 38 usable slices
[16:01] <ChinnoDog> I want a sour rye. Can you deliver me a loaf too?
[16:01] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: forget the bread talk did you try the tail redirect pipe?
[16:02] <jedijf> damn bakers
[16:02] <ChinnoDog> No. Did you read the chat last night where I pointed out that I was being dumb because I was misusing tail? The line I wanted to grep was not at the end of the log and I didn't include an -n parameter to tail
[16:03] <jedijf> but that line would grep live as events happened, which i thought you wanted
[16:04] <ChinnoDog> It already does that
[16:04] <ChinnoDog> even without the redirect you added
[16:04] <jedijf> k
[16:05] <ChinnoDog> After I figure out traditional bread I am going to attempt low carb bread
[16:06] <jedijf> ewww
[16:06] <ChinnoDog> not eww! I haz ideas
[16:06] <MutantTurkey> how do we bake it without air convection...?
[16:06] <ChinnoDog> Soon as I make amazing low carb bread I'll mail you a loaf.
[16:06] <MutantTurkey> isn't applied direct heat a bit complicated.
[16:06] <jedijf> no thank you
[16:07] <ChinnoDog> idk MutantTurkey. That is a feat of physics. Cook the bread in a dense liquid that evaporates?
[16:07] <MutantTurkey> hrm
[16:07] <jedijf> chinno bakes with a hair dryer
[16:07] <MutantTurkey> what about a lower heat?
[16:07] <ChinnoDog> boil it in mercury? lol
[16:07] <MutantTurkey> more effecient but could take longer.
[16:07] <ChinnoDog> Why would lower heat be more efficient?
[16:07] <MutantTurkey> hmmm
[16:08] <MutantTurkey> good question
[16:08] <MutantTurkey> is energy usage exponential?
[16:08] <MutantTurkey> like to go from 1 to 2 c requires X but to from 20000c to 200001c cost more
[16:08] <jedijf> loaf size oven, less ambient air
[16:08] <MutantTurkey> or is it linear?
[16:08] <MutantTurkey> improved isolation would improve efficiency
[16:09] <ChinnoDog> I think jedijf's method would work
[16:09] <MutantTurkey> i missed it.
[16:09] <ChinnoDog> snugly fit loaf into an oven
[16:09] <jedijf> heating element in baking pans
[16:09] <MutantTurkey> oh
[16:09] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[16:09] <MutantTurkey> but isn't the "baking" done with the air
[16:09] <ChinnoDog> Or micro-bake
[16:09] <MutantTurkey> wouldn't it end up differently if you applied the heat directly?
[16:09] <ChinnoDog> not sure how efficient magnetrons are
[16:10] <ChinnoDog> idk MutantTurkey. i've never tried it
[16:10] <ChinnoDog> Maybe we could just run the heating element through the middle of the loaf and bake it from the inside
[16:10] <ChinnoDog> Then we would get signature loaf; with air holes running down lengthwise.
[16:10] <jedijf> that's microwave no wire
[16:11] <jedijf> pump butter in hole
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: that would be good
[16:11] <ChinnoDog> You already found a use for the extra holes
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> you could do long heat elements
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> like from a processor
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> and fit bread inbetween/
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> pre sliced...
[16:12]  * MutantTurkey doesn't know enough about bread,
[16:12] <ChinnoDog> Then just put loaf with heating rods into an insulated container to bake
[16:12] <MutantTurkey> i'll defer to experts
[16:12] <jedijf> bake bread in a thermos
[16:12] <jedijf> when you're done with the hot coffee
[16:13] <EvilResistance> lol
[16:13] <ChinnoDog> That isn't a bad idea but idk if people have the patience to bake bread on their lunch hour. lol
[16:14] <jedijf> i still like the engine cookbook, something about getting out of car, opening hood, and having cooked meal ready....
[16:14] <ChinnoDog> It would be hard to find a car with enough hood clearance to bake a loaf of bread
[16:14] <MutantTurkey> I mean usually that's how I do my eggs.
[16:14] <EvilResistance> short of a customized car, of course :P
[16:15] <jedijf> ribs, carbon monoxide smoked
[16:15] <jedijf> it's like hickory, but you die
[16:16] <jedijf> quicker
[16:16] <ChinnoDog> I don't think there will be deadly levels of carbon monoxide left when done cooking
[16:17] <EvilResistance> lol
[16:17] <jedijf> shucks
[16:17] <ChinnoDog> I'd be more worried about the other crud under the hood
[16:17] <jedijf> antifreeze /smells/ sweet
[16:17] <jedijf> oil could have fiber-like slide effect]
[16:18] <jedijf> forget 12 grain, i've got 40 weight
[16:19] <MutantTurkey> just clean off the bread with 190 proof vodka
[16:19] <MutantTurkey> good as new.
[16:33] <adom> hip hip array - http://www.neatoshop.com/product/Hip-Hip-Array
[16:33] <PennBot> Title: Hip Hip Array (at www.neatoshop.com)
[16:37] <ChinnoDog> There are too many people with my name at work
[16:37] <ChinnoDog> I need a new name
[16:37] <jedijf> use your nick
[16:38] <jedijf> son-in-law calls me jedi
[16:38] <ChinnoDog> I am not going to have them call me ChinnoDog. lol
[16:39] <jedijf> that's what i call you
[16:40] <ChinnoDog> The linux world is different. All sorts of sillyness can pass as professional behavior.
[16:41] <ChinnoDog> I need a "stage name". lol
[16:42] <jedijf> nick - nicolas
[16:42] <jedijf> man gaga
[16:43] <ChinnoDog> at work? lol
[16:44] <jedijf> richard head
[16:46] <EvilResistance> lol...
[16:50] <ChinnoDog> I should go all the way. I should find a suitable nickname, an appropriate introduction for myself binding me to my nickname, and a professional email address that uses the nickname
[16:50] <ChinnoDog> "ChinnoDog" just isn't professional
[16:51] <adom> if anyone has spare time...someone give me a brief summary of why admins dont like using ubuntu server in ragards to the main reason i've been told: they don't like root controlling servers (they like user "ftp" to control the ftp server, etc)
[16:52] <adom> is it just because if someone gained access to the ftp/http/mysql/etc server, then they'd have root access to the machine?
[16:52] <adom> becauset that, i understand
[16:52] <adom> just want to check if theres some other reason i dont know about
[17:07] <jedijf> damaged carrot cake \o/
[17:08] <MutantTurkey> carrot cake ++
[17:09] <EvilResistance> @list Karma
[17:09] <PennBot> EvilResistance: clear, dump, karma, load, and most
[17:09] <jedijf> adom: not a sysadin, and just tried ubu server - i notice a little loose on permissions
[17:09] <EvilResistance> good its still here :P
[17:09] <jedijf> adom: err, same looseness as ubu vs debian...which at server level i consider loose
[17:10] <jedijf> adom: meaning desktop here ^^
[17:27] <jedijf> adom: also, mysqld is owned by mysql , apache is owned ultimately by www-data so .....on my install ubu server 11.10 atm
[17:27] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: do you have a good source for loaf bags?
[17:27] <jedijf> bags are expensive, and yes of course
[17:29] <ChinnoDog> That is surprising they are expensive. Where can I get some?
[17:31] <jedijf> i pay $80 per 1000
[17:31] <ChinnoDog> I don't need 1000. lol
[17:32] <jedijf> don't know where a consumer can get them, maybe a supermarket with a bakery...sams...costco etc
[17:32] <ChinnoDog> I doubt they would sell them to me
[17:32] <jedijf> how long are your little chinno loaves?
[17:33] <ChinnoDog> Not that long. About the length of a laptop on the short side.
[17:33] <jedijf> haha
[17:33] <jedijf> ok
[17:34] <jedijf> so like 1 1/2 pounders?
[17:34] <ChinnoDog> I split the original recipe in half and I use silicone bakeware because the bread falls out of it without help
[17:34] <ChinnoDog> maybe? It takes 3c of flour and 1/2c of starter if that helps.
[17:35] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: pm me address and i'll send you a ream of 200, and a  /real/ sourdough
[17:35] <jedijf> the bages will be large, but you can re-use them
[17:36] <ChinnoDog> "real" sourdough can be my benchmark for what I am trying to achieve. hehe
[17:36] <MutantTurkey> so hungry
[17:36] <ChinnoDog> eat a turkey sandwich
[17:37] <MutantTurkey> WHY DON'T YOU EAT A HOT DOG
[17:37] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: all the executive chefs sniff the heck out of mine and tell me it is good - that's all i know
[17:37]  * jedijf just had a piece of smooshed carrot cake
[17:37] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: too many carbs
[17:37] <MutantTurkey> heh
[17:37]  * EvilResistance hands ChinnoDog a low-carb hot dog
[17:37] <ChinnoDog> cake is good whether it is smooshed or not
[17:37] <ChinnoDog> especially when soggy with ice cream
[17:38] <jedijf> yeah, but diner didn't want to pay $22 for bludgeoned carrot decorations
[17:39] <ChinnoDog> Yea, you can't accept less then perfect when the cake is going to be on display for customers to drool over
[17:40] <jedijf> the oreo doesn't have a good presentation, but oteri's chocolate cakes are moist and pretty damn good
[17:42] <ChinnoDog> If I had access to lots of damaged cakes I would open up a dessert restaurant / bar and keep it dark inside so no one could see what they were eating anyway
[17:46] <adom> jedijf: i see what you're saying about mysql and all that. im not worried really anyway. only thing really attackable for my personal server is ssh, which is owned by root, but you cant login to ssh as root, so you'd have to know my local username and then try to attack that password. even then you'd only have access to my user account, not root.
[17:53] <jedijf> change port
[17:54] <jedijf> and if really concerned do auth key only, i don't
[17:54] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: do you always have spare noms at the end of the day?
[17:54] <MutantTurkey> just spend like an hour with a retard user
[17:54] <MutantTurkey> rahhhh
[17:54] <MutantTurkey> please type this in....
[17:54] <MutantTurkey> "its not working"
[17:54] <MutantTurkey> gahh
[17:55] <jedijf> i always have stock bread, plus a 10x10 freezer full of cya rolls and stuff
[17:55] <MutantTurkey> i finally had to remote view his desktop from skpe and see how he was messing it up...
[17:55] <MutantTurkey> -_-
[17:55] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: support is the hardest evah
[17:55] <MutantTurkey> don't even know him, just skyped with some random spanish guy
[17:55] <jedijf> verdad
[17:55] <MutantTurkey> but i guess if he's using tde i don't care.
[17:55] <jedijf> hahah
[17:55] <jedijf> smartest hispanic on the planet
[17:56] <MutantTurkey> aye
[17:56] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: and a crushed carrot cake or deformed oreo cake now and then?
[17:56] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: https://www.desktopsummit.org/sites/www.desktopsummit.org/files/DS2011_LiMux_Desktop_Retrospective_2011-08-08.pdf
[17:57] <MutantTurkey> we are apparently deployed all over munich.
[18:02] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: not too often on the cakes. it kinda makes me crazy. today i was hungry so not so bad. somewhere in the delivery chain it was dropped.cracked right down middle
[18:24] <ChinnoDog> I wish I had a slice of carrot cake right now
[18:34] <JonathanD> mmm carrot cake.
[18:43] <ChinnoDog> I don't think I knew what carrot cake was until I moved to the states in 1990. My first impression of carrot cake was "What? You can't put carrots into cake."
[18:44] <ChinnoDog> It turned out I was wrong.
[19:06] <jedijf> rasberry pi update from allied, blah blah blah
[19:17] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: very, very wrong.
[20:04] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: wikipedia says to do parbaking the bread should be rapidly cooled. I guess I should transfer my 80% baked loaf directly into the freezer soon as I can touch it.
[20:48] <ChinnoDog> loaf in progress
[20:48] <ChinnoDog> arresting at the 30 minute mark
[21:22] <ChinnoDog> Something went wrong. It looks too done
[21:29] <JonathanD> Is it chasing you around yet?
[22:07] <adom> taking the server down to add a hard drive...
[22:15] <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: It should be chasing me around?
[22:45] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: get a blast freezer
[22:45] <jedijf> tthen you can fully bake, freeze and have forever
[22:46] <ChinnoDog> It doesn't need to last /forever/
[22:47] <pleia2> forever++
[22:49] <ChinnoDog> It is bread, not McDonald's french fries
[22:51] <jedijf> some delis in central jersey re-bake the fully baked  bread i deliver to give the crust an extra 'snap'
[22:51] <ChinnoDog> I don't want snap, I wand soft deliciousness
[22:52] <ChinnoDog> I like my loaves as marshmallow like as possible
[22:52] <jedijf> that's disgusting
[22:54] <ChinnoDog> lol
[22:56] <waltman> Bread is supposed to have a crust. I once spent 3 months in Seattle working on a project, and one of the worst parts was trying to find rolls there that weren't all squooshy.
[22:59] <ChinnoDog> nom nom squishy rolls full of butter
[22:59] <pleia2> waltman: come here, our sourdough crusts break your teeth, it's awesome
[23:00] <pleia2> (seriously though, I have gotten cuts in my mouth)
[23:00] <pleia2> and I do like it ;)
[23:00] <pleia2> and yet, they can't do bagels
[23:01] <waltman> You know who makes surprisingly good bagles? Wegmans!
[23:01] <pleia2> wegmans is good at fresh food
[23:02] <pleia2> when I moved they updated my address and started sending their fliers here
[23:02] <pleia2> it was cruel (foruntately I'm not wanting for good fresh food here, but still!)
[23:04] <jedijf> the bagel fad tried quickly, remember all the manhattan bagels that popped up amd then pooped out
[23:04] <jedijf> s/tried/died
[23:04] <pleia2> I never even made it to one before they closde
[23:05] <pleia2> but then again I tended to go to DD for bagels anyway, or Yum Yums when I was in Lansdale (I still have DREAMS about their everything bagels, insane)
[23:05] <jedijf> the yum yum at county line in between hatboro and warminster closed; i'm forever scarred
[23:05] <pleia2> awww :(
[23:05] <jedijf> yum yum lansdale rr tracks ftw
[23:06] <pleia2> yeah
[23:06] <jedijf> not a fan of dd bagels
[23:06] <jedijf> it's mental
[23:06] <jedijf> they're baked, not boiled
[23:06] <waltman> pleia2: I'm still amazede they don't have DD out there. Where do SFians go for their donut fix?
[23:07] <jedijf> sushi shops of course
[23:07] <pleia2> waltman: the place with the chicken sign
[23:07] <waltman> madness
[23:07] <pleia2> no ,they don't have donuts
[23:07] <waltman> no wawas, either!
[23:07] <pleia2> I don't know :( no donuts here
[23:08] <waltman> or ritas!
[23:08] <waltman> And yet they think of themselves as foodies!
[23:08] <pleia2> lol
[23:08] <jedijf> seriously
[23:08] <jedijf> ritas and a pretzel
[23:08] <pleia2> there is a DD in Las Vegas
[23:08] <pleia2> and they have them in Phoenix
[23:08] <waltman> there are 2 DDs in 30th St station :)
[23:09] <pleia2> I ate at one when I visiting in October
[23:09] <pleia2> (didnt realize there were 2!)
[23:10] <pleia2> also got a shrimp eggroll and slice of pizza
[23:10] <waltman> There's one across from McDonald's, and another up near the Septa trains.
[23:10] <pleia2> they do eggrolls wrong here, they call springrolls eggrolls
[23:11] <ChinnoDog> I noticed that is a regional thing. Technically spring rolls are not cooked
[23:11] <pleia2> we had cheesesteak eggrolls at the continental yesterday, they are full of win :)
[23:12] <waltman> also fat
[23:12] <pleia2> ssshhh
[23:12] <waltman> oops!
[23:12] <ChinnoDog> mmm, fat
[23:12] <waltman> speaking of which, I should probably make/get some dinner
[23:13] <pleia2> I had chipotle for lunch :d
[23:13] <waltman> I was considering them for dinner
[23:13] <waltman> I've been on a panera kick lately
[23:15]  * rmg51 made a steak for diner
[23:19] <waltman> So this professor who just died in my department was supposed to be teaching a cryptography class next term, and now my advisor might be called upon to teach a bit of it.
[23:19] <waltman> ...despite not knowing anything about cryptography.
[23:19] <pleia2> that sounds like a good idea
[23:20] <pleia2> (and sorry for your loss, that's sad)
[23:20] <waltman> I was explaining to him today the difference between checksums and digitally signing something.
[23:20] <waltman> yeah, we're all still pretty shocked
[23:21] <waltman> Did I mention that Werner was like this German superman? Even in his 50s he seemed to be fitter than all the young undergrads.
[23:21] <pleia2> :(
[23:21] <waltman> the key to being a professor is realizing that you don'
[23:22] <waltman> don't have to be an expert in what you're teaching. You just need to know more than your student. :)
[23:22] <waltman> students