| magespawn | Morning all you bright and early peeps. | 06:20 |
|---|---|---|
| bakuman | goede more | 06:21 |
| kbmonkey | more o/ | 06:38 |
| magespawn | Hey what's up this morning? | 07:12 |
| KilosX | good morning all | 07:19 |
| KilosX | Maaz, hi | 07:23 |
| Maaz | Hello KilosX | 07:23 |
| magespawn | KilosX good day to you. | 07:26 |
| KilosX | xubuntu might make a good server | 07:31 |
| KilosX | nm works much faster than maverick | 07:31 |
| magespawn | Do not like it for a desktop though? | 07:32 |
| KilosX | hi amanica long time no see | 07:32 |
| KilosX | i like gnomes desktop more. in x you gotta hunt for stuff | 07:33 |
| superfly | morning magespawn, KilosX, kbmonkey | 07:34 |
| KilosX | like places and preferences and admin. they kinda hidden | 07:34 |
| KilosX | hi superfly | 07:34 |
| magespawn | Did you do a complete xubuntu install? | 07:34 |
| KilosX | monkey not here | 07:34 |
| magespawn | Morning superfly | 07:34 |
| KilosX | yip magespawn and updated | 07:34 |
| KilosX | but its already giving popups there are more updates | 07:35 |
| magespawn | Maybe install the gnome on top | 07:35 |
| superfly | KilosX: they all do | 07:35 |
| KilosX | 148m data download | 07:35 |
| KilosX | superfly, ? | 07:36 |
| KilosX | do what? | 07:37 |
| superfly | KilosX: no matter what distro you use, they all constantly look for, and have, updates | 07:37 |
| magespawn | You can lock the updates and also only take security or critical updates | 07:38 |
| KilosX | oh that ya. was meaning that its only 2 weeks since update upgrade and now theres another 50m | 07:38 |
| KilosX | i have switched off updates but the stupid boot-repair somehow saw there are new ones | 07:39 |
| KilosX | now i boot-repair offline | 07:39 |
| KilosX | boot-repair is a wonderful tool | 07:39 |
| magespawn | That it is | 07:44 |
| magespawn | I am getting request time out on a ping over my Adsl, very strange | 07:48 |
| KilosX | from who magespawn ? | 07:48 |
| KilosX | irc? | 07:48 |
| magespawn | No I noticed I was waiting for pages to load so I pinged Google | 07:49 |
| KilosX | ah | 07:49 |
| KilosX | lol gotta funny sound here. couldnt find the bloep on maverick but imported all the other sounds to here | 07:51 |
| KilosX | now channel messages go peeeeoooo | 07:51 |
| magespawn | Okay then. | 07:52 |
| magespawn | Okay and that KilosX? | 08:04 |
| KilosX | ticked the detach goodie in settings to see what detaches | 08:05 |
| KilosX | lol tried to close only the detached window and all went | 08:06 |
| magespawn | Ahh right. | 08:06 |
| magespawn | Man this irksome, Adsl spee is all over the place, fell like it is 1999 | 08:15 |
| magespawn | Speed even | 08:15 |
| KilosX | lol | 08:15 |
| KilosX | lo inetpro | 08:28 |
| KilosX | hi queery | 08:32 |
| queery | hi oom KilosX | 08:32 |
| queery | whats up with the X? | 08:32 |
| KilosX | methinks a plugin beit python or perl isnt installed properly | 08:33 |
| KilosX | on xchat | 08:34 |
| KilosX | trying to find it in synaptic | 08:34 |
| magespawn | Found this for those on mweb https://www.facebook.com/MWEB/posts/393461210672928 | 08:36 |
| magespawn | Was beginning to think it was me | 08:38 |
| KilosX | ah penny dropped. using xubuntu natty queery | 08:47 |
| queery | haha | 08:48 |
| KilosX | bbl | 09:15 |
| magespawn | Later all | 10:03 |
| Kilos | hmm ubuntu.mirror.ac.za is kinda sick | 10:22 |
| Kerbero | ai | 10:23 |
| Kerbero | not again | 10:23 |
| Kilos | 458k/s | 10:23 |
| Kilos | eish | 10:23 |
| Kilos | 458b/s | 10:23 |
| Kilos | and then stops for a while | 10:23 |
| Kerbero | seems fine here | 10:24 |
| Kilos | strange | 10:24 |
| Kilos | must be vodacom | 10:24 |
| Kilos | just gone to 658B/s | 10:25 |
| Kilos | Fetched 194kB in 10min 14s (315B/s) | 10:30 |
| Kilos | sigh | 10:30 |
| Kilos | bbl | 10:31 |
| queery1985 | bad interwebs | 13:59 |
| Kilos | was that when you were born queery1985 | 14:27 |
| kbmonkey | hello o/ | 15:12 |
| kbmonkey | cocooncrash, are you around, I have an Ibid question... | 15:13 |
| tumbleweed | kbmonkey: I recommend #ibid on atrum | 15:17 |
| Banlam | crashed cocoon could almost be the name of an ubuntu release | 15:17 |
| kbmonkey | ten-4 that tumbleweed | 15:18 |
| Kilos | hi sakhi hometime | 15:33 |
| Kilos | bbl | 15:43 |
| Kilos | lo kbmonkey superfly and others | 17:41 |
| Kilos | Maaz, hi | 17:41 |
| Maaz | Sup Kilos | 17:41 |
| Kilos | hi morgs | 17:41 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 17:42 |
| kbmonkey | hi Kilos superfly | 17:55 |
| kbmonkey | bmg505, | 17:56 |
| kbmonkey | sakhi, Tonberry and psydroid | 17:56 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:56 |
| Kilos | you winning laddy | 17:56 |
| Kilos | yo magespawn | 17:57 |
| Tonberry | what did i do? | 17:57 |
| Tonberry | oh | 17:57 |
| Tonberry | hi | 17:57 |
| kbmonkey | hi magespawn | 17:57 |
| magespawn | Howdy Kilos, kbmonkey and others | 17:58 |
| kbmonkey | I hope you did nothing bad Tonberry :p | 17:58 |
| magespawn | gc coffee on | 17:59 |
| * gc starts grinding coffee | 17:59 | |
| kbmonkey | gc coffee please | 17:59 |
| gc | kbmonkey: Yessir | 17:59 |
| kbmonkey | gc romany creams? | 17:59 |
| gc | kbmonkey: Huh? | 17:59 |
| kbmonkey | gc romany creams please | 17:59 |
| gc | kbmonkey: Sorry... | 17:59 |
| psydroid | hi Kilos | 18:00 |
| psydroid | hi kbmonkey | 18:00 |
| magespawn | kbmonkey I have git my second program done | 18:00 |
| psydroid | hi magespawn | 18:00 |
| Kilos | hi psydroid | 18:00 |
| magespawn | git or got whichever | 18:00 |
| magespawn | Hi psydroid | 18:00 |
| kbmonkey | :D | 18:00 |
| psydroid | hi Tonberry | 18:01 |
| kbmonkey | cool magespawn | 18:01 |
| psydroid | hi superfly | 18:01 |
| Kilos | kbmonkey, you got your greeter bot working? | 18:01 |
| kbmonkey | writing some Python now meself | 18:01 |
| kbmonkey | Im learning the system a bit first Kilos | 18:01 |
| Kilos | ah | 18:01 |
| kbmonkey | may have it done by a little later :) | 18:02 |
| gc | Coffee's ready for magespawn and kbmonkey! | 18:03 |
| kbmonkey | gc danke | 18:03 |
| gc | kbmonkey: Huh? | 18:03 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:04 |
| magespawn | Thank you bc | 18:04 |
| magespawn | Thank you bc | 18:04 |
| magespawn | Thank you gc | 18:04 |
| magespawn | Touch screens and auto correct | 18:05 |
| magespawn | tv thank you | 18:05 |
| magespawn | gc thank you | 18:05 |
| gc | magespawn: np | 18:05 |
| kbmonkey | gx thanks | 18:07 |
| kbmonkey | gc, than | 18:07 |
| gc | kbmonkey: What? | 18:07 |
| magespawn | My next chapter in the book is Branching and while loops. | 18:07 |
| kbmonkey | meh, im moving too fast :p | 18:07 |
| Kilos | you two are really struggling tonight | 18:09 |
| Kilos | inetpro, why so quiet | 18:10 |
| superfly | hi psydroid | 18:22 |
| superfly | magespawn: which book are you using? | 18:23 |
| magespawn | Guide to Programming with Python by Michael Dawson | 18:23 |
| magespawn | Why superfly? | 18:39 |
| superfly | magespawn: just wondering. In my opinion, the best book to learn python with is probably A Byte of Python | 18:39 |
| bakuman | the internetz | 18:39 |
| magespawn | Do have the PDF version of that one, this is a hard copy, I like toread through the chapter first then do all the exercises. | 18:41 |
| magespawn | This one also seemed a bit more basic to start with. | 18:41 |
| Squirm | I think I have A byte of Python somewhere | 18:42 |
| Squirm | hmm, nevermind | 18:43 |
| magespawn | The one I have is only 110pages is that the same one? | 18:43 |
| Kilos | ya looks like | 18:44 |
| Squirm | http://www.ibiblio.org/swaroopch/byteofpython/files/120/byteofpython_120.pdf | 18:45 |
| Kilos | oh mine is only 99 pages | 18:45 |
| magespawn | Does anyone here actively program in python? | 18:46 |
| Kilos | no it is 110 | 18:46 |
| Kilos | yes the fly | 18:47 |
| Kilos | and the crash kid | 18:47 |
| bakuman | i do as well, but not big projects | 18:47 |
| Kilos | magespawn, have you see 365 | 18:47 |
| magespawn | No what's that? | 18:48 |
| Squirm | I used to, but just for personal gain, nothing big | 18:48 |
| magespawn | What ide do guys use? | 18:48 |
| Kilos | im trying to member its some thing the fly is writing in python | 18:48 |
| Kilos | something 365 | 18:48 |
| Kilos | superfly, give your links please | 18:49 |
| Squirm | magespawn: I never used any. my programs ran in a terminal session. | 18:49 |
| Squirm | so nothing exciting | 18:49 |
| Squirm | well, exciting, but not pretty :P | 18:49 |
| superfly | Kilos: oh the blog? I haven't looked at that in MONTHS | 18:49 |
| magespawn | I am doing this on windows at the moment using Idle, on my ubuntu I use Eric. | 18:50 |
| Kilos | ya but then the guys can get an idea superfly | 18:50 |
| superfly | magespawn: when I'm not digging in C++, C and Assembler, I'm doing Python | 18:50 |
| superfly | magespawn: http://openlp.org/ is written in Python | 18:50 |
| magespawn | Working my way up from here. | 18:50 |
| Kilos | i though i gave the link to maaz but i dont find it | 18:50 |
| superfly | Kilos: http://code365.info/ | 18:51 |
| Kilos | ya code365 | 18:51 |
| Kilos | magespawn, ^^ | 18:51 |
| magespawn | Open source? Maybe a stupid question. | 18:51 |
| bakuman | i had to use Eclipse for python coding in a course | 18:52 |
| magespawn | Got it thanks Kilos. | 18:52 |
| bakuman | but usually i just use gedit or vim | 18:52 |
| magespawn | Eclipse does quite a few. | 18:53 |
| Kilos | yw | 18:53 |
| bakuman | Eclipse has too many functions O_O confising | 18:53 |
| bakuman | but it has autocomplete which is nice | 18:54 |
| magespawn | Am also using geeky on ubuntu and Notepad++ on windows. Trying all sorts just to see which I like. | 18:54 |
| Kilos | ty superfly | 18:54 |
| magespawn | Geeky is gedit | 18:54 |
| bakuman | vim and emacs is nice if you go through the trouble of learning all the shortcut keys | 18:55 |
| superfly | magespawn: everything I do in my personal capacity is open source | 18:55 |
| superfly | http://launchpad.net/scribeengine | 18:55 |
| inetpro | Kilos: heh | 18:58 |
| Kilos | naand boetie gaan dit goed? | 18:58 |
| inetpro | Kilos: ok en jy | 18:58 |
| Kilos | goed dankie inetpro | 18:58 |
| magespawn | superfly thought better to ask than assume. I think most of that stuff is a little ahead of my skills at the moment. | 19:02 |
| superfly | magespawn: you never know until you dive in ;-) | 19:02 |
| magespawn | True. | 19:03 |
| inetpro | superfly: what IDE do you use? | 19:04 |
| inetpro | good evening evryone | 19:05 |
| superfly | inetpro: Eric | 19:05 |
| superfly | though these days I've moved to PyCharm for OpenLP - we got an open source license | 19:05 |
| inetpro | interesting | 19:06 |
| inetpro | with dependancies like bicyclerepair | 19:06 |
| magespawn | Everbody know Star Wars? | 19:07 |
| Kilos | the movies? | 19:08 |
| Kilos | and series? | 19:08 |
| magespawn | Yup | 19:08 |
| Kilos | on the idiot box | 19:08 |
| magespawn | No series | 19:08 |
| magespawn | Jsut the movies. | 19:08 |
| Kilos | i have a few here | 19:08 |
| Banlam | are you asking do people know about the start wars movies? | 19:08 |
| * bakuman and Banlam have 1-6 in HD | 19:09 | |
| Banlam | what a coincidence | 19:09 |
| magespawn | Yes again thought it better to ask than assume. | 19:09 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:09 |
| kbmonkey | fair to assume most of us here know about star wars :) | 19:10 |
| Kilos | what about them magespawn | 19:10 |
| magespawn | I feel like Luke on the Falcon when he first feels the force. | 19:10 |
| Banlam | lol | 19:10 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:10 |
| kbmonkey | its the mitochondria | 19:10 |
| Banlam | not quite | 19:10 |
| kbmonkey | pythocondria | 19:11 |
| inetpro | superfly: what is wrong with eric? | 19:11 |
| inetpro | looks quite nice | 19:11 |
| magespawn | Old Ben says " You have taken your diets steps into a wider world." | 19:11 |
| Banlam | midichlorians | 19:11 |
| superfly | inetpro: it is quite nice | 19:11 |
| magespawn | diets = first | 19:12 |
| superfly | but the code completion is brilliant, and the Python integration works just so much better in PyCharm | 19:12 |
| kbmonkey | gedit is nice but only after you setup some plugins and settings | 19:12 |
| inetpro | kbmonkey: yuck | 19:12 |
| kbmonkey | lol inetpro | 19:12 |
| inetpro | :-) | 19:13 |
| kbmonkey | use vim too, about 50/50 of the time | 19:13 |
| superfly | inetpro: I do with PyCharm would pick up all the identifiers in the file as well, like Eric does | 19:13 |
| inetpro | kbmonkey: I'd rather go for emacs than gedit | 19:13 |
| magespawn | Does anybody use Git? | 19:14 |
| superfly | magespawn: I do my best to avoid it | 19:14 |
| magespawn | Why? And what would you use instead? | 19:15 |
| superfly | and I generally recommend others avoid it too | 19:15 |
| inetpro | superfly: why? | 19:15 |
| superfly | magespawn: I use Bazaar. Git is overcomplicated and unnecessarily complex | 19:15 |
| superfly | it has too many commands, and too many ways of doing things, such that you can be told to do the same thing in 3 different ways, with apparently very good reasons for why you should do each of them | 19:16 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 19:17 |
| inetpro | so many peeps talking about GitHub | 19:17 |
| superfly | Never used it. | 19:18 |
| superfly | Apparently the code reviewing tools on GitHub are pretty good | 19:19 |
| superfly | But Github is cool because of Github, not Git | 19:19 |
| inetpro | but don't you use git to push code to github? | 19:21 |
| kbmonkey | yup github uses git | 19:21 |
| magespawn | That's what I thought | 19:22 |
| kbmonkey | it has a lot of commands, but it doesnt intrude on you | 19:22 |
| kbmonkey | superfly is right about it being complex, it was created to host the linux kernel source after all | 19:25 |
| magespawn | And CVS and SVN? | 19:25 |
| superfly | kbmonkey: I can argue, with experience, that git intrudes on you. I had more issues with Git in 6 months than I ever had with Bazaar in 4 years | 19:26 |
| superfly | magespawn: CVS = don't go there; Subversion = doing CVS right (but that doesn't make Subversion right) | 19:26 |
| magespawn | one of the programs for web sites wanted one of those can't remember which though. Had a look at a lot of programs. | 19:28 |
| kbmonkey | one technical difference is bzr stores changes on a file leve, whereas git stores deltas of changes | 19:30 |
| kbmonkey | but that differnce is academic | 19:30 |
| Kilos | night all you clever peeps | 19:33 |
| Kilos | sleep tight | 19:33 |
| superfly | kbmonkey: in this day and age of disk space, that's hardly a point worth debating ;-) | 19:35 |
| kbmonkey | oh no I agree :) just pointing it out | 19:36 |
| kbmonkey | superfly, have you used Ibid before? | 19:37 |
| superfly | kbmonkey: I've been using Ibid for a while already | 19:37 |
| kbmonkey | asked a Q on #ibid but seems like everyone is idle | 19:37 |
| kbmonkey | I'm trying to receive events in the channel for joins | 19:38 |
| superfly | ah | 19:39 |
| kbmonkey | sure enough I can test for event.state/type, but my method only runs if the bot is named, or in a pvt channel | 19:39 |
| superfly | I think I dug around for that before... no wait, that was when I was still using Knab | 19:39 |
| kbmonkey | Is it possible? the debug output shows these events, I just need to receive them in my plugin class somehow | 19:40 |
| superfly | kbmonkey: I don't know if you'll be able to do it at the plugin level | 19:58 |
| superfly | kbmonkey: look for where all the IRC events are being logged to the log files, and then take it from there | 19:58 |
| magespawn | How would you get the bot to respond? | 20:00 |
| superfly | magespawn: you'd make it respond :-P | 20:11 |
| magespawn | superfly, no really, that's amazing. | 20:12 |
| kbmonkey | ah okay I'll dig through the code superfly :) | 20:15 |
| magespawn | Some clue as.to how would be most appreciated.lol | 20:18 |
| superfly | magespawn: perform an action when an event happens | 20:19 |
| superfly | that's pretty much how most programming works | 20:19 |
| magespawn | So you right a small program that checks the log every x seconds and when it finds the event it does its program | 20:21 |
| superfly | magespawn: you can do that if you want... kbmonkey was asking me about Ibid specifically | 20:24 |
| magespawn | Lots of ways to solve the same problem | 20:29 |
| magespawn | So change the ibid code itself? | 20:36 |
| superfly | magespawn: not necessarily, it depends on if the plugins have access to that level of stuff | 20:38 |
| superfly | magespawn: I have never hacked on Ibid, I don't know what it supports | 20:38 |
| superfly | magespawn: it depends totally on the tools you have, and what you want to do | 20:38 |
| superfly | magespawn: and having never looked at Ibid's internals, I cannot tell you what to do | 20:39 |
| kbmonkey | magespawn, Ibid uses a plugin system, where it loads your code. So your methods you write get run when the bot is spoken to, for example | 20:40 |
| magespawn | Okay I see. Ty | 20:41 |
| kbmonkey | then in your method, you can do various things, depending on who the message came from, and what they asked to do | 20:41 |
| magespawn | You might get requests you had not thought of, would you log them and add them in if required? | 20:43 |
| kbmonkey | Maaz, tell me a story | 20:45 |
| Maaz | kbmonkey: Okay, I'll tell me on freenode | 20:45 |
| kbmonkey | oops :p | 20:45 |
| kbmonkey | okay well for commands that Maaz does not know, he usually says he does not understand | 20:45 |
| kbmonkey | my bad example used the 'tell' command by accident | 20:46 |
| kbmonkey | Maaz, gargleblaster | 20:46 |
| Maaz | kbmonkey: What? | 20:46 |
| kbmonkey | ^ there | 20:46 |
| magespawn | So there might already be a greeter plugin? | 20:49 |
| superfly | magespawn: no, what kbmonkey is illustrating is that Ibid is largely a send-and-response program | 20:49 |
| superfly | you send a query, and it responds to it | 20:49 |
| superfly | *send-and-respond | 20:50 |
| superfly | magespawn: the problem with that is that a "greeter" plugin does not conform to that design | 20:50 |
| superfly | a greeter would have no "send" part | 20:50 |
| kbmonkey | yes, without someone initiating a conversation with the bot, it cannot send a message on it's on | 20:51 |
| kbmonkey | own* | 20:51 |
| kbmonkey | this could be achieved by patching the functionality into Ibid, or by using a bot framework which does | 20:52 |
| kbmonkey | setting up bzr now, will ganter at the code | 20:53 |
| magespawn | Cool. I will have a look tomorrow if I can off to.bed now night all. | 20:53 |
| kbmonkey | gn magespawn | 20:54 |
| tumbleweed | precise beta 2 is released | 21:04 |
| Kerbero | cool | 21:05 |
| Kerbero | nou gaan ek weer moet restart more | 21:05 |
| Kerbero | :( | 21:05 |
| Kerbero | the beta is very stable | 21:05 |
| * bakuman run solank updates | 21:05 | |
| Kerbero | much more stable than 11.10 | 21:05 |
| bakuman | my unity crash baie | 21:06 |
| kbmonkey | ouch bakuman | 21:06 |
| Kerbero | ek is baie naby aan my pc by die huis wat nou 11.10 run te format | 21:06 |
| Kerbero | en 12.04 beta op te sit | 21:06 |
| Kerbero | want die beta is regtig awesome | 21:06 |
| bakuman | unity restart vanself weer, en verloor niks nie, maar dis irriterend, maar glo dit sal reg wees voor die release | 21:07 |
| bakuman | (kan dalk a.g.v mu dual screens wees) | 21:07 |
| Kerbero | hmm | 21:08 |
| Kerbero | graphics card? | 21:08 |
| Kerbero | want ek run dualscreen op my kantoor pc | 21:08 |
| bakuman | geen, onboard intel | 21:08 |
| Kerbero | en by die huis | 21:08 |
| Kerbero | met nvidia by altwee | 21:08 |
| Kerbero | en die beta se unity het nog nooit gecrash by my nie | 21:08 |
| Kerbero | terwyl 11.10 se unity gereeld crash op 'n atl+tab | 21:08 |
| koiosify | ek sal ook maar seker die naweek moet format | 21:14 |
| koiosify | maar darm kry ek nuwe parte :D | 21:14 |
| superfly | cool, I hope I get to keep my desktop this time | 21:15 |
| Kerbero | koiosify: wat het jy toe bestel? | 21:19 |
| koiosify | laptop en n ssd | 21:20 |
| Kerbero | o | 21:20 |
| Kerbero | te veel geld | 21:20 |
| koiosify | hopelik kom dit more sodat ek die naweek kan speel | 21:20 |
| koiosify | wel die geld is vir my gegee en gese^ koop :) | 21:20 |
| Kerbero | hahaha | 21:20 |
| Kerbero | ja | 21:20 |
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