=== jalcine_ is now known as Guest64946 === webjadmin_ is now known as Guest26207 [00:58] kdebase-runtime transition done in time for LTS \o/ [00:59] we could remove the package and not have to carry it for 5 years [01:07] oh, haha. not quite. just done for my PC personally :P [01:07] but the entire archive should revolve around the packages installed on my computer :D [01:11] though this does raise an interesting question, do we want to try to complete the kdebase-runtime -> kde-runtime transition this cycle so we can drop kdebase-runtime for LTS? [02:07] JontheEchidna: don't you need it for LTS -> LTS upgrades? [02:08] oh, yeah [02:08] I guess we don't need it after this release if it's already a transitional package though [02:08] right [03:42] Riddell: bug 968234 sounds like the crash you were having with amarok [03:42] Launchpad bug 968234 in kde4libs (Ubuntu) "kmix crash in MDWSlider::update() when last.fm plays next title" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968234 [06:32] apachelogger: ping [07:06] I feel a slight blame on myself everytime "Kopete is not maintained" is said /: [07:26] DWonderly: yus? [07:26] Tm_T: good, maybe you should fix that then :P [07:26] JontheEchidna, Riddell: why would amarok crash with a kmix backtrace? [07:32] * Mamarok wonders as well [07:33] apachelogger: if I could, I would [07:34] * Mamarok has kde-telepathy running fine here with ICQ and jabber [07:36] and Google talk works fine as well === Guest86541 is now known as jalcine [07:59] Mamarok: double-clicking contact do launch empathy here [08:00] apparently [08:02] facebook chat works as well, although it uses the jabber protocol, so not a surprise [08:02] but yeah, contact list works [08:05] double-click where? [08:07] Mamarok: on contact list [08:08] it opens a telepathy chat window [08:08] or trying to initialize a chat in any way [08:08] for me [08:08] Mamarok: KDE-telepahty? [08:08] as empathy is telepathy too (: [08:09] Telepathy text Ui [08:09] and there is an about KDE in the help menu as well [08:09] not for me [08:09] I just installed it and it works out of the box [08:10] I don't know if I have empathy installed though [08:10] I do, but it doesn't pop up [08:12] hmmm [08:13] http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/kde-telepathy_almost.png [08:19] Tm_T: weird [08:19] latest packages? [08:22] for oneiric, yes [08:26] ditto [08:40] Tm_T: what's happening there? [08:40] oh "double-clicking contact launched empathy" [08:41] Riddell: same with any other method on trying to get chat, though /: [08:41] ask upstream preferably, maybe you don't have the necessary ktp bit installed or maybe it's giving empathy priority for some reason [08:42] Riddell: I installed all the ktp packages, so yeah, I suspect it's telepathy doing funny things in background [08:42] but this is something we do not want to happen when we're having ktp as default, I'd say [08:43] it wouldn't have happened if you hadn't installed empathy :) [08:44] that's not an excuse I would be ready to use for users though (: === amichair is now known as amichair_ [09:27] apachelogger: time to tally up the votes on ktp vs kopete? [09:48] Quintasan: I haz Kubuntu Active on transformer, but no hardware acceleration [09:48] * shadeslayer needs to send in his vote as well [09:48] lies [09:48] lies [09:48] where did you get arm builds? [09:48] there are no arm builds [09:49] Quintasan: uh, I used lilstevie's ubuntu.img from this OLiFe tarball [09:49] for arm use an ubuntu server image and install kubuntu-active [09:49] shadeslayer: I'm asking about Active [09:49] Quintasan: oh, by Kubuntu Active I meant got Plasma Active on Kubuntu [09:49] doesn't that qualify as Kubuntu Active? :P [09:49] Yes, how did you build it? [09:49] Quintasan: it's packaged in Precise [09:50] mmkay [09:50] so I just upgraded to precise [09:50] shadeslayer: nearly yes [09:50] ~Kubuntu Active on transformer then :P [09:50] shadeslayer: install kubuntu-active and work out what's missing to include in it [09:50] and do all the active apps work like Kontact and Calligra [09:50] Riddell: I have no idea what's wrong with kubuntu-active but it doesn't pull in anything [09:50] * shadeslayer can install those [09:50] shadeslayer: does it depend on anything [09:51] no, damn, it's broken again [09:51] Riddell: I haven't had the time to look at the package [09:51] shadeslayer: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-active^ then [09:51] easily fixed [09:51] I was building le 3.1 kernel all week [09:51] Riddell: I installed plasma-active which pulled in most of the stuff [09:51] but not all the stuff [09:51] sudo apt-get install kubuntu-active^ [09:51] like that, with the carrott [09:52] lol [09:52] ok [09:52] * shadeslayer installs [09:52] the keyboard doesn't work properly though [09:53] oh yes, stuff is not installed [09:53] Riddell: I'd still wait for david and christian to put out a definite vote [09:54] apachelogger: can you nudge them? [09:55] already did [09:55] christian doesn't feel able to make a decision as he has not used ktp, so I asked him to read the discussion and either make a choice based on what was said there or do a +0 [09:56] council-wise we have 1 ktp and 3 kopete I think, so their vote could create a tie [09:56] which actually makes me wonder what we do in such a case [09:56] cause I do not remember us having a tie breaking policy in place [10:00] Riddell: want me to file a bug against kubuntu-active? [10:01] apachelogger: oh question, I managed to get the kernel to build, but I can't figure out how to make a initramfs against that kernel [10:01] apachelogger: do you have a tutorial for making a minimal initramfs? [10:02] take the existing initramfs and replace the kernel inside it... [10:02] ok [10:02] Riddell: what's the word on the UIFE? [10:02] apachelogger: what UIFE? [10:02] the one for new splashes [10:02] shadeslayer: nah I'll just fix it [10:03] ok [10:03] apachelogger: oh what's the number again? [10:03] bug 968114 [10:03] Launchpad bug 968114 in kubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "user interface freeze exception for kubuntu splash remaking" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968114 [10:03] numbers will soon be too long to remember, zomg! [10:04] apachelogger: looks like a nice ubuntu-release member just aproved it [10:04] perfecto, I'll upload this evening then [10:04] yofel: did we actually reach a solution for where to put wallpapers? [10:04] apachelogger: I have no /boot in my initrd [10:04] apachelogger: bling bling! [10:05] * shadeslayer always packaged the zImage with the initrd into a bootimg [10:05] shadeslayer: /boot in initrd? Oo [10:05] wah? [10:05] apachelogger: you said that replace the kernel in the initrd [10:06] * shadeslayer headdesks [10:06] yes [10:07] but what does it have to do with /boot? [10:07] that does not even make sense [10:14] * apachelogger blows a kiss to Riddell [10:15] * Riddell will never wash this face again === afiestas_ is now known as afiestas [10:52] Riddell: calligra mobile doesn't work, says that KLauncher either died or failed to start the app [10:52] * shadeslayer tries KPat [10:54] hmm .. not sure how to start a new game, can't double click >.> [11:03] doupletap? doublejump? [11:03] Mamarok: how does one get overlord permissions on bugzilla btw? so that say a phonon developer could add new phonon versions etc. [11:04] shadeslayer: if you needed to use double click that would be a user experinece bug btw :P [11:04] kde has a single click paradigm [11:05] heh [11:05] plus, they seemed to have gotten rid of the app menu that used to slide down from the top [11:05] that was cool [11:05] now they have a more "Put everything in widgets" paradigm [11:07] no clu what u be talking about [11:07] did you read that in your /boot in your initramfs? :P [11:07] apachelogger: in PA 1 there was drop down menu like thing, kind of like the App drawer of Android [11:07] and you clicked on a application and it launched [11:07] PA? [11:08] pulseaudio? [11:08] Plasma Active [11:08] Oo [11:08] :P [11:08] Oo [11:08] right [11:08] don't usePA [11:08] PA = PulseAudio [11:08] haha :D [11:08] because it is spelled [11:08] *P*ulse*A*udio [11:08] Pulse Audio is causing issues with lightdm on precise for me on the tablet [11:09] eh? [11:09] makes lightdm crash and relaunch and crash again [11:09] fix it [11:09] apachelogger: afaik it's a kernel issue [11:09] or rather, it looks like one [11:09] your broken kernel? [11:09] the one I got from lilstevie's thread, yes [11:10] PulseAudio from precise is probably incompatible with the 2.6.36 kernel [11:10] * shadeslayer didn't check [11:26] shadeslayer: that sounds very reasonable [11:26] or the graphics driver :P [11:26] can't be, iirc the logs showed a assert failiure ... [11:27] something in libpulse core [11:27] apachelogger: try to exit => kdm instead to offer the window with logout restart etc [11:27] pardon? [11:27] shadeslayer: asserts can fail for a great many reasons :P [11:27] with the latest upgrade => user try to exit clickin on exit => kdm :D [11:28] it should offer logout restart turn off pc etc [11:28] well, #ubuntu-x [11:28] clearly your X is crashing [11:28] apachelogger: sure, but the main priority is first getting a kernel that is compatible with the drivers [11:28] apachelogger: ah [11:28] *graphics drivers [11:28] apachelogger: right [11:28] Peace-: kdm or lightdm? [11:28] shadeslayer: yes [11:28] kdm shadeslayer [11:28] oh ok [11:29] shadeslayer: on that note... you might want to take the current ubuntu kernel and apply the patches ontop of that [11:29] that way you can be sure it will be compatible [11:29] Peace-: look at /var/log/kdm.log maybe? [11:29] dude [11:29] it is an X crash [11:29] read the description :P [11:29] * shadeslayer reads backlog [11:29] there is no way you can get from desktop to kdm without X crashing :P [11:29] * Peace- apachelogger +1 X crash [11:29] xD [11:30] apachelogger: uh, iirc if kdm crashes and restarts, wouldn't it get you back to kdm? [11:30] mm [11:30] shadeslayer: and how is that related to the logout dialog displaying? [11:31] apachelogger: the main issue with getting patches applied to the ubuntu kernel is that I don't have a point of reference to genrate patches ( I have no idea when ASUS forked the kernel ) [11:31] thus the changes could be either in mainline or could be specific from ASUS, I don't have a way of knowing ( except manually looking at every line in the diff ) [11:31] they only published patches but no entire repo? [11:32] shadeslayer: btw this is the file http://paste.ubuntu.com/907066 [11:32] no no no [11:32] apachelogger: they published the entire sources [11:32] no patches [11:32] but I have no point of reference when they forked the kernel [11:32] so you do clearly see when the commit hashes start differing from kernel.org :P [11:32] uh again, they published sources, no git history :P [11:33] just a source tarball :P [11:33] Peace-: apachelogger was right it seems :P [11:34] * Peace- has tested successfully ghns with servicemenu [11:34] apachelogger: All I have to go on is this : http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Transformer_TF101/#download [11:34] apachelogger: I will ask for you [11:34] absolutely nothing more [11:35] shadeslayer: how crappy is that [11:35] very [11:35] even archos managed to publish their entire repo [11:35] it's not like they can hide code anyway :P [11:35] apachelogger: now do you get the problem of patching the ubuntu kernel ? :P [11:36] actually no [11:36] whut [11:36] what version of the kernel is it? [11:36] the one by ASUS? [11:36] yes [11:37] 2.6.36 iirc ... [11:37] Eee Pad Kernel Code for Android 4.0.3 OS (V9.2.1.17) >.> [11:38] ehm [11:38] look at the makefile? [11:39] 2.6.39 [11:39] NAME = Flesh-Eating Bats with Fangs [11:39] lol [11:40] so I presume it was branched from the v2.6.39 tag :P [11:40] eitherway it was branched between that and v3.0-rc1 [11:40] which IIRC was taggled only shortly after .39 [11:41] hm [12:01] apachelogger: I misspoke, I meant Ridell's amarok related kmix crash [12:02] why yes [12:02] I think esken reintroduced one of the thread pollution issues I fixed [12:03] lol [12:04] bbiab [12:06] JontheEchidna: could also be a bogus pointer though [12:06] kmix is one gigantic pile of hack [12:06] needs a major rewrite with clear code design etc. [12:07] apachelogger: we did not, and I didn't have time to worry about it until today [12:07] Riddell: was the crash random? [12:07] yofel: so I'll package the wallpaper resolutions in a new package [12:08] k [12:08] all except 800x600 which goes into plymouth [12:08] and is symlinked into the other package [12:08] sounds good [12:09] what are we doing with kdm? Copy spash theme or adjust Ariya to use the other background? [12:09] ariya background is fine [12:09] kdm gets the new splash too [12:09] looks out of place though sandwitched between the 2 splashes [12:10] s/splash/background/ [12:10] apachelogger meant: "kdm gets the new background too" [12:10] ksplash also gets a new splash! [12:10] ah, that's what I was asking. Fine [12:10] we have a streamlined experience as originally intended by the oxygen team [12:10] from plymouth to kdm to ksplash we have the ariya version without the stripes [12:10] only on the desktop we have the stripe version [12:11] yeah, that's what it should be. [12:11] shadeslayer: color on grub works now? [12:11] haven't updated in a bit [12:13] apachelogger: color is fine [12:13] dark enough [12:14] did you also try editing an entry? [12:14] IMHO the previous background had the worst issues there [12:14] hm, no. Doesn't that use the same colors? [12:14] I'll try it later [12:28] Hi all [12:37] yofel: yes it does, but the amount of text there highlights bad color choices ^^ [12:46] oh, 4.8.2 tars are up === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Splash Screen Testers Needed | Precise: Beta 2 Released - Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | http://ur1.ca/8kamo TODOs! |http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-lts-announce |wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSQSeries | Milestoned beasties http://goo.gl/9iyUD | KDE 4.8.2: http://ur1.ca/8kalp [12:52] !ninjas [12:52] Ninja Time! apachelogger, bulldog98, debfx, JontheEchidna, Lex79, maco, neversfelde, nhandler, Quintasan, rgreening, Riddell, ScottK, stalcup, txwikinger, yofel [12:52] also a new dirk needs to be found [12:53] well, he never got the svn/git stuff right... [12:53] or his scripts [12:53] if there are any [12:53] cuz there is no documentation :P [13:03] anyone doing kdelibs? [13:06] ahah [13:06] kgetsource is now broken [13:06] * shadeslayer fixes [13:07] how got it broken? [13:07] no more bz2 [13:07] only xz [13:07] oh [13:07] finally [13:09] * shadeslayer tests === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [13:19] [kubuntu-dev-tools] Rohan Garg * 132 * bin/kgetsource Upstream now uses xz compression \o/ [13:24] the more that I look at the kde-runtime bug page, the more I think that the sole purpose of nepomuk is to stomp on areas of memory it shouldn't have access too [13:27] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 33 * debian/ (changelog rules) Bump KDE version to 4.8.2 [13:32] shadeslayer: you working on kdelibs? [13:32] yus [13:33] k [13:40] jtechidna: isn' that the defintion of semantic? [13:40] lol === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [14:07] Are any Ubuntu developers active here? Have a few suggestions to give? [14:07] Kubuntu* [14:07] :) [14:07] kamilnadeem: suggestions as in? [14:08] As in shipping Kubuntu 12.04 with the Ubuntu one client. [14:08] yeah, talk to canonical about that [14:09] Kubuntu is a community distro right? [14:09] but Ubuntu one isn't [14:09] So you can't provide it. Strange [14:10] kamilnadeem: there is no KDE client for that [14:10] Got it [14:10] Ok please don't change the name of Kubuntu === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:10] Kubuntu is a Bemba word which means "kindness towards Humanity". [14:11] I don't see your point, sorry. You should read up about the attempts to make a KDE client in the past I suggest [14:12] Mamarok I get that [14:13] Is there any consensus on changing the name of Kubuntu [14:13] ? [14:13] why should we? [14:13] Please wait a sec. [14:15] Jonathan in an interview said "But do we need a new name? Kubuntu has never been a great name, it was actually a joke name made up by the original Ubuntu developers for the KDE side. I wonder if a new name would give us a new lease of life like Calligra has. Suggestions welcome " [14:15] Riddell said that? [14:16] I don't think there ven is a discussion about that, at least there isn't on the mailing lists [14:16] even* [14:16] what interview? [14:17] http://cristalinux.blogspot.in/2012/03/jonathan-riddell-on-kubuntu.html [14:17] kamilnadeem: the mailing list (kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com) would be the best place to start a discussion [14:17] that is what I just said :) [14:17] (and it was a blog post, rather than an interview iirc) [14:17] and I haven't seen Riddell talking about that in here nor on any mailing list related to the project [14:17] might have been tongue in cheek [14:18] Strange. [14:18] :D [14:18] Ok [14:18] well, I didn't read the interview [14:18] Anyways , I want to thank you developers [14:18] one should read the context [14:18] for making 11.10 such a good release [14:18] looking forward to 12.04 [14:19] My mistake [14:19] Mamarok: http://blogs.kde.org/blog/57 for reference [14:20] and nobody reacted on that [14:20] Yeah I made a mistake , sorry [14:20] very last paragraph [14:20] knowing Jonathan I think that was more tongue in cheek than really menat as a discussion [14:21] That is good [14:21] phew! I really like the name Kubuntu :-) [14:21] but we should ask the man rather than guessing :) [14:21] Is he here? [14:22] it's an idea that he threw up in the air, nothing is actually planned or anything [14:22] kamilnadeem: as already said: write a mail to the devel list [14:23] Hmm. I have never looked into the mailing list part but will check it now [14:24] well [14:24] Although you all would already know you did a good job with Kubuntu 11.10 but if you want to verify check this http://mknadeem.blogspot.in/2011/12/kubuntu-1110-komprehensively-explored.html [14:24] keep brining up th efact that we do not own the trademark kubuntu :P [14:24] apparently people still fail to appreciate the issue in that :P [14:24] apachelogger: right... [14:24] but that is not for precise anyway [14:25] kamilnadeem: you can sign up at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Kubuntu-devel (relatively low-frequency list) [14:25] Ok [14:26] I think another part of the issue is that Kubuntu "sounds" like a derivative of Ubuntu, rather than something like a "sister" project [14:27] it is a silly name to begin with :P [14:27] It has a beautiful meaning Sir [14:27] which most people are completely unaware of [14:28] kindness towards Humanity [14:28] and of those who are aware, few probably care very much ;) [14:28] that is why Kubuntu site needs updation [14:28] most people just want an OS that works for them, rather than a philosophy [14:28] (unfortunately) [14:28] I filed a bug but no one took any notice of it :( [14:28] Not true [14:29] most uses of computers don't care about the philosophy, they just want a system that works [14:29] that's what happens when "alternative" OS's shift towards the mainstream [14:29] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893997 [14:29] well, that seems reasonable to me, no? [14:29] Launchpad bug 893997 in Kubuntu Website "The Kubuntu sites is archaic(both in content and design), an updation is must. " [Undecided,New] [14:29] apachelogger: yep, it's completely reasonable to expect that [14:30] kamilnadeem: feel free to work on the website :) [14:30] tsimpson: it doesn't mean that you need to bend to be mainstream though [14:30] developers are usually not great graphic designers ;) [14:30] <-- decent one [14:31] I would love to if I just had the skills [14:31] :( [14:31] apachelogger: I'm just saying that the meaning behind the kubuntu name isn't the most important thing in the grand scheme [14:31] yeah [14:32] Hey did you guys check the Xubuntu site recently>? [14:32] kamilnadeem: in that case I don't see things moving there any time soon as everyone is busy with other more pressing matters [14:32] kamilnadeem: no [14:32] :-) [14:32] kamilnadeem: I do however know the lead artist of xubuntu [14:32] we worked together on amarok back in the days [14:33] check it brothers , they have out in great effort and the end result is beautiful [14:33] Hey [14:33] how does that help the lack of time and/or expertise on our side? [14:34] What I can do is provide content for Kubuntu site and screenshots [14:34] Like the info on the features page is OLD so I can update it [14:36] that's a good start I suppose [14:38] I wish there was an option in amarok to not save everything to a playlist ...I don't give a damn about playlists. Why this obsession to emulate WMP . which is also flawed ...we don't need a player that makes decisions for us, just one that doesn't become clunky in the process of playing selected music [14:38] fails to compute [14:38] that's my rant for today [14:39] Ok so what I do is, sign up on the mailing list , then make content for the Kubuntu.org in light of 12.04 release with correct and update info and screenshots and then send it to the mailing list or is there another way [14:39] sounds about right [14:40] Good [14:43] is ia32-libs going to be eliminated completely from 64bit OS versions ? [14:44] that's the plan at least [14:44] oh, a website content creator \o/ [14:44] apps like google-earth won't run without ia32-libs , since google hasn't seen fit to offer a true 64 bit version [14:44] * yofel welcomes kamilnadeem and gives him a hug :) [14:45] BluesKaj: well, it's a transitional package right now, and probably will stay for a while [14:45] I suppose google maps is a decent substiute in the interim' [14:46] yofel, yeah , it's not a rel big issue with me ..was wondering is all [14:47] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/oxygen-icons] Philip Muškovac * 95 * debian/changelog New upstream release [14:47] new symbols in kdelibs [14:48] time to show that you read up on the topic [14:48] :D [14:48] :D [14:48] yes indeed [14:53] Would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? [14:53] Yes or No? [14:53] the list is usually low volume, so you probably won't need that. But it's your choice [14:53] No it is :-) [14:55] I am on it brothers :-) [14:55] Thanks [15:00] If anybody is on G+, it will be great to have some Kubuntu in the #showyourdesktopfriday https://plus.google.com/u/0/112759940931397244391/posts/R5pW7ACE2Yi [15:00] my HD is going for replacement otherwise I would had provided it myself [15:01]