[00:22] <FernandoCueva> the ets are calling me I belong to the infinite
[00:55] <list> hey, what do you type in to get apps through terminal
[00:56] <Unit193> !apt
[00:56] <Unit193> sudo apt-get install package
[00:56] <list> oh thanks
[00:57] <Unit193> apt-cache search words   or   apt-cache show package  are also handy.
[00:57] <list> what do they do
[00:58] <Unit193> Searches and shows info.
[00:58] <list> oh so is there any more functions
[00:58] <Unit193> Linked page should have all the info, and if not, the manpage for each is rather nice.
[00:59] <Unit193> Just type in   apt-cache   and it'll show you what it has.
[00:59] <list> oh so what goes sudo mean
[00:59] <Unit193> sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root")
[00:59] <Unit193> gksudo is for GUIs
[01:00] <list> cool thanks, GUIs???? huh (lost here)
[01:00] <Unit193> Ggraphical user interface == GUI
[01:01] <list> oh you mean for graph stuff or a os
[01:04] <Unit193> list: What do you mean by "simple browser"?
[01:04] <list> just have the basic functions and not alot of things
[01:06] <Unit193> Browser options are generally: Chromium, Firefox, Midori, Opera, Eph(something), and others as well.
[01:07] <list> and how to install
[01:09] <Unit193> Same way as I just told you. You can also use Synaptic.
[01:09] <list> oh o.k.
[01:37] <phillw> Unit193: me thinks OP should be using LSC :)
[01:38] <Unit193> That's in the newer version, and he asked about terminal as well.
[01:39] <phillw> I saw, you can LSC to 11.10 as well :)
[01:40] <FernandoCueva> is it necesary to format the file systems of the partitions if the partitions are already set for fat32 and etx3
[01:40] <phillw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_to_install_Lubuntu_Software_Center
[01:40] <phillw> FernandoCueva: yes
[01:41] <phillw> linux will not install on fat32
[01:41] <phillw> ext3 is quite old now & you should use ext4
[01:41] <FernandoCueva> k
[01:41] <FernandoCueva> fat32 is for the boot info
[01:41] <FernandoCueva> is it ok to use it for the boot folder as I did on backtrack
[01:42] <phillw> grub should be okay there.
[01:42] <Unit193> phillw: It's not in the default repo.
[01:43] <phillw> Unit193: it shows at https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa ?
[01:44] <Unit193> We can continue in offtopic if you wish, but that's not in a default install.
[01:54] <FernandoCueva> I have a problem for lubuntu install
[01:55] <FernandoCueva> I am reading the instalation guide but is confusing, it says to make The bootable partition should be FAT16 or FAT32 but when I do press create startp disk nothing happens
[01:56] <FernandoCueva> I have the partition set to ext4 using the whole 4gb drive
[01:58] <FernandoCueva> and is mouned
[02:04] <FernandoCueva> I just notice the problem the guide says Run usb-creator using the -i IMG and I forget to remove IMG
[02:13] <FernandoCueva> ok my problem now is I'm getting an error saying failed to install the bootloeader why is that?
[07:52] <anodesni> Hi, I can't change the icon theme in lxde,  if I choose elementary it sticks at the gnome icons, any suggestions???
[07:52] <bioterror> edit .desktop file
[07:52] <bioterror> or what
[07:52] <bioterror> sorry
[07:52] <bioterror> I read without giving a thought
[07:53] <bioterror> anodesni, which version are you running?
[07:54] <bioterror> actually, sometimes pcmanfm needs to be restarted, I would suggest to logout and log back in after choosing that theme
[08:01] <anodesni> bioterror, where is this .desktop file? in .config/lxde-session/?
[08:02] <bioterror> forget about the file
[08:02] <bioterror> logout and log back in
[08:02] <bioterror> and see if it works
[08:02] <bioterror> after you have changed the theme
[08:05] <anodesni> hmm,  in my .config/lxsession/LXDE/desktop.conf  I have the line: sNet/IconThemeName=elementary, and I already have this setting for some time, so I've already rebooted my machine
[08:06] <anodesni> I also have this line in .gtkrc-2.0 gtk-icon-theme-name="elementary"
[08:07] <anodesni> Still I can only switch to nuoveXT theme with lxappearence
[08:08] <bioterror> hmmm
[08:08] <bioterror> I have always changed themes with lxappearance, and without a problem
[08:09] <bioterror> and there heg oes
[08:36] <seblabel> hey!
[08:37] <seblabel> i finished my lubuntu-rc.xml
[08:37] <seblabel> it's a real success !
[08:37] <seblabel> the chain keybinds are great
[08:38] <seblabel> i used W-p for material
[08:38] <seblabel> with W-p-e = eject -T
[08:38] <seblabel> which is used to eject my dvd player
[08:38] <seblabel> W-o for openbox management, i saw this on the documentation
[08:39] <seblabel> W-o-r = openbox --reconfigure, for example
[08:39] <seblabel> W-l is used for launching programms
[08:39] <seblabel> the possibilities are huge
[08:39] <seblabel> :)
[08:40] <seblabel> thank you for the help i received here
[08:47] <seblabel> i have a question, how can i open a several selected file in one time in the same editor, i did it with gnome and geany or gedit
[08:47] <seblabel> now, i have to used each time the "open with" option
[09:00] <chojin> Hi all
[09:00] <chojin> I'm looking for some help
[09:05] <pAt_> just ask chojin, if you don't ask, you'll never now if somebody can help you ;)
[09:06] <chojin> thax, sorry
[09:08] <chojin> I upgraded form ubuntu 11.10 to lubuntu 11.10 As my pc is a little bit old I made an outologin in unity2d and now when I strt lubuntu it always told me that it's imposible to star with unity2d and it goes to  lxde default desktop (not the lubuntu one)
[09:09] <chojin> How can I change it again to begin with lubuntu??
[09:09] <chojin> I hope you understand me enough
[09:11] <chojin> I was looking in google and the wiki, but I find nothing
[09:11] <JohnDoe_71Rus> chojin: try remove file  ~/.dmrc
[09:13] <chojin> it must be a hidden file in the root ???
[09:13] <JohnDoe_71Rus> in home dir
[09:13] <JohnDoe_71Rus> yes hidde n
[09:14] <chojin> I should reboot, I will return to tell you if it works
[09:14] <chojin> Thanks anyway
[09:15] <chojin> you are so kind
[09:15] <JohnDoe_71Rus> just logout then login
[09:20] <chojin01> JohnDoe_71Rus it works perfectly
[09:20] <chojin01> Thanks a lot
[09:21] <JohnDoe_71Rus> great. i try reconfig ubuntu to lubuntu. got this issue
[10:41] <jarnos> What is it that xubuntu has and lubuntu does not have, that makes xubuntu's network manager applet shoe mobile broadband devices automatically?
[10:41] <jarnos> ^show
[10:44] <JohnDoe_71Rus> wicd network manager?
[10:45] <jarnos> JohnDoe_71Rus, no, Xubuntu (11.04) does not have it
[10:45] <seblabel> what do you call mobile broadband ? wifi acess ?
[10:47] <JohnDoe_71Rus> jarnos: instal it
[10:47] <jarnos> seblabel, an usb device
[10:48] <jarnos> JohnDoe_71Rus, well I would prefer the same method that xubuntu has.
[10:48] <seblabel> do you use ndiwrapper ?
[10:48] <seblabel> ndiswrapper*
[10:49] <seblabel> is it a material that is not automatically recognized ?
[10:50] <seblabel> sorry
[10:51] <JohnDoe_71Rus> seblabel: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01) not need
[10:54] <seblabel> how did it worked on xubuntu, did you had to use a windows driver with it ?
[10:56] <seblabel> http://nfolamp.wordpress.com/2011/10/15/ubuntu-11-10-getting-wireless-bcm4311-working/
[10:56] <seblabel> see ↑
[10:56] <jarnos> seblabel, I plugged the usb device in and later an item for the mobile network was shown in the network manager item on panel.
[10:56] <seblabel> if this worked, tell us
[11:03] <JohnDoe_71Rus> seblabel: some chipsets supported by kernel. ubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu it doesn't matter
[11:08] <jarnos> Installing network-manager-pptp-gnome did NOT help in 12.04.
[11:08] <or> hello all
[11:08] <or> im quite new to lubuntu
[11:09] <or> set it up in 11.10 alternate install
[11:09] <or> works fine
[11:10] <or> only on startup appears "waiting for network configuration" ... 60 sec more ...
[11:10] <or> with the live cd all worked nicely
[11:10] <or> even with the desktop install
[11:11] <or> but now in alternate not ...
[11:11] <or> i saw that this seems to be a bug
[11:11] <or> is there a way to fix it or should i install other l/x/ubuntu ?
[11:13] <or> starting nm-applet in terminal appears the tray icon but before says "awaita" not found or something like that
[11:13] <JohnDoe_71Rus> do you edit /etc/network/interfaces?
[11:13] <or> this seems to be an graphical issue
[11:13] <or> yes
[11:14] <or> there is my interface + network + pw written
[11:14] <or> i #commented things out
[11:14] <or> but this doesnt seem to be the problem?    ... i dont understand the loopback stuff ...
[11:15] <JohnDoe_71Rus> i get some, then wrong add br0 interface
[11:15] <or> i set also in /etc/networkmanager    the manage stuff to true
[11:16] <or> i found also that user has to be allowed to use network + wireless
[11:16] <or> in the tray icon is everything but vpn connections gray
[11:16] <or> and there is gray written "device not ready"
[11:17] <or> with right klick i enabled wireless connections
[11:18] <or> parten me JohnDoe ?
[11:19] <or> how can i install the missing packages without network connection?
[11:20] <or> I saw that this is a "big bug" in 11.10   also for ubuntu users when they upgrade and for many lubuntu users in alternate (like me), as v12 is full of bugs should i downgrade? install 11.4?
[11:21] <JohnDoe_71Rus> or: https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/C/network-configuration.html
[11:25] <or> thank you I'll go through this
[11:25] <or> !   :)
[11:26] <JohnDoe_71Rus> yes.
[11:32] <TheCheggs> WOOHOO! 27 DAYS!
[11:42] <or> im still asking my self if i really should use Lubuntu  or better Xubuntu ...    im working on a fast machine but would like to run a realtime kernel and run audio stuff with it ... but all in an encrypted file system
[11:42] <or> doesnt the encryption slow everything down?
[12:28] <AngelForget> 28 days to the official release has already love the new version of Lubuntu'm testanto in all ways except for a few bugs but I do fully compliments to you guys
[12:51] <seblabel> i'm back
[12:52] <seblabel> i need help with pcmanfm behaviour
[12:52] <seblabel> i used this in lubuntu-rc.xml :
[12:52] <seblabel> pcmanfm /my/special/directory
[12:52] <seblabel> as a keybind
[12:53] <seblabel> but, it does not work if no pcmanfm instance has already been started
[12:57] <seblabel> and anyway, pcmanfm is still started cause it manages the desktop
[13:16] <seblabel> someone have this problem ?
[13:19] <seblabel> try to do this :
[13:20] <seblabel> pcmanfm /home/yourhome
[13:20] <seblabel> in a terminal
[13:20] <seblabel> what happens ?
[13:20] <seblabel> nothing
[13:20] <seblabel> exept if pcmanfm was already running
[13:20] <seblabel> no??
[13:23] <TheCheggs> how is everyone this morning/evening?
[13:23] <seblabel> someone here ?
[13:23] <TheCheggs> i am!
[13:24] <seblabel> if someone could try, it would be great
[13:24] <seblabel> hey TheCheggs !
[13:24] <TheCheggs> what seems to be the problem?
[13:24] <TheCheggs> :D
[13:24] <seblabel> try this :
[13:24] <seblabel> in a terminal
[13:24] <seblabel> pcmanfm /home/yourhome
[13:24] <seblabel> what happens ?
[13:24] <seblabel> nothing
[13:25] <seblabel> exept if pcmanfm was already running
[13:25] <TheCheggs> it comes up with my home
[13:25] <TheCheggs> well
[13:25] <TheCheggs> it works for me
[13:25] <seblabel> not here
[13:25] <seblabel> something is wrong
[13:26] <TheCheggs> and you putting a space between pcmanfm and /home/etc
[13:26] <TheCheggs> /home/yourname
[13:26] <TheCheggs> ?
[13:27] <TheCheggs> well i am just using openbox standalone and not LXDE but it should be the same thing.
[13:27] <seblabel> yes, i put a space between
[13:27] <seblabel> i'm using a keybind in lubuntu-rc.xml
[13:28] <seblabel> it works when pcmanfm is already started
[13:28] <seblabel> but if not, nothing happens
[13:28] <seblabel> so, i had the idea to try in a terminal
[13:28] <seblabel> and the result is the same
[13:29] <TheCheggs> alright do me a favor, close out pcmanfm and then type pcmanfm /home/yourname/Desktop into the termianl and pastebin the output
[13:29] <seblabel> can it be related with tab creation in pcmanfm ?
[13:29] <TheCheggs> i wouldn't think so
[13:30] <seblabel> nothing to paste
[13:30] <seblabel> really
[13:30] <seblabel> ---
[13:30] <seblabel> pcmanfm /home/myhome
[13:30] <seblabel>  
[13:30] <seblabel> ---
[13:30] <seblabel> nothing
[13:30] <TheCheggs> could it be in another workspace?
[13:31] <seblabel> nope
[13:31] <TheCheggs> have you done an update or something?
[13:31] <seblabel> i tried pcmanfm --help-all
[13:31] <seblabel> but it's empty
[13:31] <seblabel> almost
[13:32] <TheCheggs> try just typing pcmanfm into the term
[13:33] <seblabel> it then open my home
[13:33] <TheCheggs> let me log out right quick and get back into LXDE and see if i have the same problem, brb
[13:33] <seblabel> thank you!
[13:33] <TheCheggs> no worrys just one sec
[13:35] <TheCheggs> well
[13:35] <TheCheggs> it works fine
[13:35] <seblabel> good for you !
[13:35] <seblabel> :)
[13:36] <TheCheggs> haha
[13:36] <TheCheggs> i don't know what to tell you
[13:36] <seblabel> i certainly did something wrong
[13:36] <TheCheggs> have you been messing around with config files?
[13:36] <seblabel> with lubuntu-rc.xml
[13:36] <seblabel> for the moment
[13:37] <TheCheggs> how about before the problem started?
[13:37] <seblabel> well, i don't know
[13:38] <seblabel> <keybind key="W-l">
[13:38] <seblabel> <keybind key="s">
[13:38] <seblabel> <action name="Execute">




pcmanfm /home/seb/.scripts/</command>

[13:38] <seblabel> here is the bindkey
[13:38] <seblabel> all others work perfectly
[13:39] <TheCheggs> try getting rid of the /home/seb/.scripts part
[13:39] <seblabel> this one, only when pcmanfm is already strated
[13:39] <TheCheggs> and just leave the command like <command>pcmanfm</command>
[13:39] <seblabel> this way, it works
[13:39] <seblabel> as in the original keybind for pcmanfm
[13:40] <seblabel> but it has no interest for my purpose
[13:40] <seblabel> let me restart OB and see
[13:40] <seblabel> thank you for helping
[13:40] <TheCheggs> sorry i couldn't help more :\
[13:40] <seblabel> brb
[13:41] <TheCheggs> roger
[13:57] <TheCheggs> :)
[14:29] <TheCheggs> ubeki beki beki beki stan tan
[14:40] <leszek> hi
[14:43] <TheCheggs> hey leszek, how are you?
[14:43] <leszek> TheCheggs: fine and you ?
[14:47] <TheCheggs> i am doing alright :)
[14:47] <TheCheggs> thank you for asking
[14:49] <TheCheggs> nothing like a can of off brand chef boyardee spaghetti and meatballs to start the morning off right
[17:05] <TheCheggs> hey seblabel, you get it working?
[17:05] <seblabel> hey
[17:05] <seblabel> sorry for the inconvenience
[17:06] <seblabel> i was catched by the neighbourhood who needed help
[17:06] <TheCheggs> what inconvenience?
[17:06] <seblabel> he is 80
[17:06] <TheCheggs> aww man
[17:06] <TheCheggs> don't worry about it
[17:06] <seblabel> :)
[17:06] <seblabel> so
[17:06] <seblabel> let's try
[17:06] <TheCheggs> :)
[17:06] <TheCheggs> what are we trying?
[17:06] <seblabel> it's working
[17:07]  * TheCheggs dances
[17:07] <seblabel> haha!
[17:07]  * TheCheggs is a horrible dancer :\
[17:07]  * seblabel is singing
[17:07] <ErrorX> Would some look in het desktop session manager what name there is in default?
[17:07]  * seblabel is also an horrible dancer
[17:08] <TheCheggs> what do you mean ErrorX?
[17:08] <seblabel> ErrorX: what file should we look at ?
[17:08] <seblabel> :)
[17:08] <seblabel> TheCheggs: so
[17:08] <seblabel> the keybind : W-l-s give me my scripts directory
[17:08] <ErrorX> I have changed the windows manager from default to another manager
[17:09] <seblabel> with the command : pcmanfm /home/me/my-scripts
[17:09] <ErrorX> And I now don;t know the default value?
[17:09] <ErrorX> it is something with box or open
[17:09] <seblabel> ErrorX: in what file should we loook ?
[17:10] <ErrorX> prefences --> desktop sessie manager
[17:10] <ErrorX> session*
[17:10] <ErrorX> and then advance options
[17:11] <ErrorX> en then there is the window manager
[17:11] <seblabel> openbox-lxde
[17:11] <seblabel> that is my value : openbox-lxde
[17:11] <ErrorX> thanks but if i reboot the other window manager appears
[17:12] <seblabel> maybe an other file to modify
[17:12] <ErrorX> i did this tut: http://askubuntu.com/questions/73536/is-there-a-lightweight-way-to-snap-windows-in-lubuntu
[17:13] <ErrorX> but now i can't go back
[17:13] <TheCheggs> my pc just flipped out sorry about taht
[17:14] <TheCheggs> now what was the problem?
[17:15] <ErrorX> i want back to the default window manager
[17:15] <TheCheggs> what windows manager are you using now?
[17:15] <ErrorX> http://askubuntu.com/questions/73536/is-there-a-lightweight-way-to-snap-windows-in-lubuntu
[17:15] <ErrorX> xfwm4
[17:16] <TheCheggs> ah alright
[17:16] <TheCheggs> its been a while since i done it so lemme look right quick
[17:16] <ErrorX> thanks in advance:)
[17:17] <TheCheggs> do you remember what program you started to change to xfwm?
[17:17] <seblabel> what is the difference between openbox-lubuntu and openbox-lxde as window managers ?
[17:18] <TheCheggs> most likly themes,
[17:18] <TheCheggs> i mean i would imagine
[17:18] <TheCheggs> errorx do you remember what you used to switch to xfwm?
[17:18] <seblabel> ok TheCheggs
[17:18] <ErrorX> only a reboot and cd ~/.config/lxsession
[17:18] <ErrorX> mkdir Lubuntu
[17:18] <ErrorX> cp LXDE/* Lubuntu/
[17:19] <TheCheggs> hmm
[17:19] <TheCheggs> lemme look around a bit more
[17:19] <ErrorX> its now default the xfwm
[17:20] <TheCheggs> ah gotta log out into lxde right quick to properly do this, one second
[17:20] <seblabel> ErrorX: what do you have in both desktop.conf files ?
[17:20] <ErrorX> where can i find the desktop.conf?
[17:21] <ErrorX> in the ./config
[17:21] <seblabel> ~/.config/lxsession/lubuntu|LXDE
[17:21] <TheCheggs> errorx
[17:21] <ErrorX> yes
[17:21] <TheCheggs> go to your menu then prefernces then destop session settings
[17:21] <ErrorX> i am there
[17:21] <TheCheggs> then click the avanced options tab
[17:22] <TheCheggs> and put openbox-lxde
[17:22] <ErrorX> okee done
[17:22] <TheCheggs> alright click ok
[17:22] <ErrorX> yes
[17:22] <TheCheggs> then reboot and see if that didn't work :)
[17:22] <ErrorX> oke a moment
[17:22] <TheCheggs> :>
[17:25] <TheCheggs> did it work?
[17:25] <ErrorX> thanks it worked
[17:25] <TheCheggs> :) great!
[17:25] <ErrorX> but now only my shortcut don't work
[17:25] <TheCheggs> what shortcut?
[17:25] <ErrorX> alle shotcuts like ctrl alt d
[17:25] <ErrorX> for the "explorer"
[17:26] <TheCheggs> oh to bring it up?
[17:26] <ErrorX> yes
[17:26] <ErrorX> now it does minimize the screens
[17:27] <TheCheggs> then it was most likly window manager specific
[17:27] <ErrorX> hmm
[17:29] <ErrorX> i have now the "openbox configuration manager" but it seem it didn have a effect on the theme etc
[17:29] <TheCheggs> do you see the button to the right of the menu button?
[17:29] <ErrorX> no
[17:30] <TheCheggs> alright well you can add a shortcut to the file manager on your panel
[17:30] <ErrorX> in the left corner i have by default a shotcut to open a file manager
[17:31] <ErrorX> but a shortcut wil be faster
[17:31] <ErrorX> with shortcut do you use?
[17:31] <TheCheggs> well i use just standalone openbox
[17:31] <TheCheggs> i don't normally use LXDE
[17:31] <ErrorX> is openbox without lxde better?
[17:32] <TheCheggs> well really its all personal preference
[17:32] <TheCheggs> i mean i like it better but you may not
[17:32] <leszek> wtf
[17:32] <ErrorX> thats right
[17:33] <leszek> how can you compare a window manager to a desktop environment
[17:33] <leszek> thats just like comparing bananas and grenades
[17:33] <ErrorX> openbox is a windows manager right?
[17:33] <TheCheggs> what leszek?
[17:33] <TheCheggs> yeah it is error
[17:33] <leszek> ErrorX: yes openbox is a windowmanager
[17:34] <ErrorX> and lxde a X11 desktop environment?
[17:34] <leszek> ErrorX: so you can't compare a window manager to a desktop environment
[17:34] <TheCheggs> openbox can be used standalone just fine leszek
[17:35] <leszek> there is only one exception thats called e17, which officially calls itself a window manager but in reality it even has more desktop environment features than lxde
[17:35] <FernandoCueva> why is it that the only partition that works for lubuntu install using usb creator is fat32? I thought it didn't see that fs
[17:35] <leszek> TheCheggs: yes it can, I never doubt that
[17:35] <TheCheggs> so what is your deal?
[17:37] <leszek> TheCheggs: my deal is that you can't compare a window manager to a desktop environment, because a window manager is only there for handling windows. It does not have any session or theming features and is not meant to be comfortable to use out of the box
[17:37] <leszek> FernandoCueva: fat32 can be read by linux
[17:38] <FernandoCueva> so lubuntu install usb drive has fat32 is that allowed
[17:38] <TheCheggs> i'd have to disagree with you there leszek, openbox has great theming and is very comfortable with something like tint2
[17:39] <leszek> TheCheggs: exactly with tint2 . So the window manager itself has no panel . Theming works only for the window decorator but not for the gtk+/qt apps
[17:39] <FernandoCueva> is on a fat32 partition I mean
[17:39] <leszek> FernandoCueva: what do you want to do ? If you want to install lubuntu on a fat32 usb stick, this won't work due to missing permission management on fat32
[17:40] <ErrorX> sabnzdplus chashed totaly xd
[17:40] <TheCheggs> so i guess you just run lubuntu bare with no sort of modding except themes?
[17:40] <FernandoCueva> is already installed on a fat32 leszek that's why I'm puzzle
[17:41] <leszek> FernandoCueva: but it shouldn't boot or run correctly
[17:41] <FernandoCueva> usb-creator did it
[17:41] <FernandoCueva> it wouldn't allow me use another fs type
[17:41] <TheCheggs> openbox works just a good as a standerd DE
[17:41] <leszek> usb-creator does not install anything
[17:41] <ErrorX> on every command that i put in the terminal i get bash: /usr/bin/oitop: input/output error
[17:41] <leszek> it uses the syslinux bootloader which can only boot from fat partitions
[17:41] <FernandoCueva> and right now is trying to load lubuntu from the usb stick
[17:42] <TheCheggs> what kind of commands are you putting in Error
[17:42] <TheCheggs> hold on
[17:43] <leszek> TheCheggs: openbox is no DE so how can it work as a standard DE ? You need to tweak it. You need to setup autostart for powermanagement, networkmanagement and you need to get a tray with trayer, stalonetray or a panel including a tray just like tint2. So it takes a lot configuration to do this.
[17:43] <leszek> This is what you need to do to have something compared to a DE
[17:43] <TheCheggs> everything in linux needs tweaking to get it to work just like you want it
[17:43] <leszek> if you only need a window manager than openbox is really ok and enough
[17:44] <TheCheggs> and theres alot of people coming in here that are new to linux
[17:44] <leszek> but if you want a out of the box working experience you need a proper Desktop environment
[17:44] <TheCheggs> just becuase they don't know the differnce doesn't mean you have to be harsh
[17:45] <leszek> I am not harsh. I just explained properly what the difference between a window manager and a desktop environment ist
[17:45] <leszek> -t
[17:45] <TheCheggs> leszek> wtf
 thats right
 how can you compare a window manager to a desktop environment
[17:45] <FernandoCueva> anybody here knows if a usb port uses more energy or less then a cdrom ordvd
[17:45] <TheCheggs> seemed a bit harsh to me
[17:46] <ErrorX> cd /dvd more
[17:46] <leszek> TheCheggs: it wasn't meant to be harsh
[17:47] <TheCheggs> then why did you write "wtf"?
[17:49] <leszek> just a expression of suprise
[17:49] <leszek> I could write 'lol' perhaps ;)
[17:50] <TheCheggs> alright man, i don't want any agressions but i thought you were being rude
[17:50] <TheCheggs> mis communication :)
[17:50] <leszek> :)
[17:51]  * leszek goto | grep something to eat
[17:51] <TheCheggs> sudo apt-get install sandwiche
[17:51] <smile4ever> sudo apt-get install meal-meta ? :)
[17:51] <TheCheggs> :P
[17:51] <smile4ever> xp
[17:52] <smile4ever> i'm leaving, bye :) good night everyone
[17:52] <TheCheggs> cya!
[17:52] <TheCheggs> dang
[17:56] <TheCheggs> i always come in late
[17:58] <TheCheggs> and i am back
[17:59] <TheCheggs> i got a screen shot for you guys
[17:59] <TheCheggs> http://i.imgur.com/ZUwLL.jpg
[17:59] <TheCheggs> :)
[18:03]  * ErrorX to TheCheggs got a check disk on reboot
[18:05] <TheCheggs> oh crap
[18:05] <TheCheggs> did it come out clean?
[18:05] <TheCheggs> oh were there problems reported?
[18:05] <ErrorX> it started up but what do you mean with clean?
[18:05] <TheCheggs> well did it repair anything?
[18:05] <ErrorX> i think no
[18:05] <ErrorX> it was done very fast
[18:05] <TheCheggs> hmm
[18:06] <ErrorX> sabnzbplus continued the download but it will crash again in some time
[18:06] <TheCheggs> my system did a check disk randomly about 3 months ago but it aint dead yet
[18:10] <ErrorX> download is ready but i think its maybe a disk error
[18:10] <TheCheggs> crap :\
[18:12] <ErrorX> is did the check with the tool in lubuntu, theres no error xd
[18:13] <TheCheggs> nice
[18:13] <ErrorX> its weird, someone here uses sabnzbd?
[18:16] <TheCheggs> i don't
[18:26] <ErrorX> im gone
[18:26] <ErrorX> thanks for the advice
[18:26] <TheCheggs> dang it again
[18:26] <TheCheggs> missed it
[18:26] <seblabel> TheCheggs: you seem to have a problem on your screenshot
[18:29] <TheCheggs> what is that?
[18:29] <seblabel> in the bottom, it's written facebook
[18:30] <TheCheggs> hmm?
[18:30] <TheCheggs> ah haha
[18:30] <TheCheggs> oh facebook
[18:30] <TheCheggs> i talk to a friend on there
[18:30] <TheCheggs> whos computer broke
[18:31] <seblabel> certainly a spam or something
[18:31] <seblabel> oh
[18:31] <TheCheggs> i personnaly hate facebook
[18:31] <seblabel> why do you use it ?
[18:31] <TheCheggs> bunch of teenage girls and soccer moms
[18:31] <TheCheggs> that friend
[18:31] <TheCheggs> bout the only thing good about it is the ablity to share pictures
[18:32] <seblabel> i have a huge quantity of friend
[18:32] <TheCheggs> but i am sure there are other sites that allow for commently
[18:32] <TheCheggs> commenting
[18:32] <seblabel> but nobody could make me use this
[18:32] <seblabel> cause i have something else
[18:32] <TheCheggs> well i joined a few years ago becuase my mom wanted me on it
[18:32] <TheCheggs> i dont have RL friends so
[18:32] <TheCheggs> what is it?
[18:32] <seblabel> an e-mail box
[18:33] <seblabel> it's great
[18:33] <seblabel> :)
[18:33] <TheCheggs> lol
[18:33] <TheCheggs> i perfer standerd mail
[18:34] <TheCheggs> good ol honest letters
[18:34] <TheCheggs> but all thats used for now adays is magizines and bills
[18:34] <seblabel> you can use jabber or irc for you friend
[18:34] <TheCheggs> true
[18:35] <seblabel> well, i don't want to annoy you more
[18:35] <TheCheggs> whoa is jabber foss?
[18:35] <TheCheggs> oh i don't mind!
[18:35] <seblabel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Messaging_and_Presence_Protocol
[18:36] <TheCheggs> :D
[18:36] <seblabel> I read you talking about openbox WM, DE
[18:36] <seblabel> it's intersting
[18:37] <TheCheggs> yep
[18:37] <seblabel> and i have to say that i would love to use only openbox
[18:37] <seblabel> i have a old laptop that i use with slitaz
[18:37] <seblabel> (slitaz use lxde)
[18:38] <seblabel> i would like to use a very epurated system
[18:38] <seblabel> on this computer
[18:38] <seblabel> and maybe openbox as WM/DE
[18:38] <seblabel> can you give me some advices about this ?
[18:38] <TheCheggs> well you are gonna need tint2
[18:39] <seblabel> why?
[18:39] <seblabel> tint2 is a panel ?
[18:39] <TheCheggs> so you can switch to differnt windows
[18:39] <TheCheggs> yep
[18:39] <TheCheggs> at the bottom of that screen shot
[18:39] <TheCheggs> thats tint 2
[18:39] <seblabel> alt+tab is not enough ?
[18:39] <TheCheggs> well you could use alt tab
[18:39] <seblabel> ok
[18:40] <TheCheggs> i just like having a clock and programs list :)
[18:40] <seblabel> very epurated is my dream
[18:40] <seblabel> that true
[18:40] <seblabel> i guess that i could install tint2 if needed
[18:41] <seblabel> should i use debian ?
[18:41] <seblabel> i mean, for this epurated install ?
[18:41] <seblabel> or do you know something else ?
[18:41] <TheCheggs> let me give this straight, you want a system that you can build from the ground up to set up exactly like  you want?
[18:43] <TheCheggs> something like that?
[18:45] <Unit193> I haven't been following, but if that is true, you can use the Ubuntu minimal CD, but you need to know what you are doing more as nobody else will know what's installed or the configuration.
[18:45] <TheCheggs> well i was gonna recommend Arch
[18:45] <TheCheggs> if he wanted something like that
[18:47] <TheCheggs> i used arch for a while but, not my cup of tea
[18:48] <Unit193> Yeah, but that wouldn't be what he's looking for exactly.
[18:48] <CTtechguy> TheCheggs: what distro you run?
[18:48] <TheCheggs> i have been jumping back and forth between differnt ubuntus and some arch
[18:49] <TheCheggs> but currently lubuntu
[18:49] <CTtechguy> I was running Crunchbang for awhile but I am now back on Lubuntu
[18:49] <TheCheggs> i was looking a crunchbang
[18:49] <TheCheggs> thought about trying it out but
[18:50] <TheCheggs> i don't know alot of debian but i know the repos were pretty outdated
[18:50] <TheCheggs> and didn't know of anyway to update them
[18:50] <bioterror> use sid
[18:50] <TheCheggs> but then again its the stable version
[18:50] <TheCheggs> yeah
[18:50] <bioterror> debians stable is stable
[18:50] <bioterror> it's not called stable for nothing
[18:50] <TheCheggs> extremely so :)
[18:51] <bioterror> if you want bleeding edge, take Arch's testing ;)
[18:51] <TheCheggs> lol
[18:51] <TheCheggs> man
[18:51] <TheCheggs> i would never
[18:51] <TheCheggs> one of the reasons i don't like arch is its bleeding edgeness but to take it further then it currently is
[18:51] <philipballew_> QUESTION: Is there a way to download the Lubuntu screentests and view them offline? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation#Screencasts
[18:51] <philipballew_> or is that allowed?
[18:51] <CTtechguy> I find myself switching distros every few months
[18:51] <TheCheggs> that would be pretty horrible in my book
[18:52] <TheCheggs> me too cttechguy
[18:52] <CTtechguy> I need to nail one down because I spend more time messing around with getting it right
[18:53] <bioterror> philipballew_, quite hard to download them?
[18:53] <philipballew_> bioterror, well I was unsure the correct way to download off bliptv?
[18:55] <TheCheggs> isn't there tool for that in firefox?
[18:56] <philipballew_> TheCheggs, maybe its time I load firefox
[18:56] <philipballew_> first time in a few months
[18:56] <TheCheggs> you using chrome?
[18:57] <philipballew_> TheCheggs, yeah
[18:57] <TheCheggs> there might be something in there appstore or whatever its called
[18:57] <TheCheggs> not to sure however
[18:58] <TheCheggs> never really used chrome
[18:58] <philipballew_> i have ff installed as well. I like both.
[18:58] <TheCheggs> :)
[18:58] <seblabel> so, i will try a minimal ubuntu with openbox 100%
[18:59] <seblabel> how can i do that ? if someone know
[18:59] <philipballew_> seblabel, build drom ground up
[18:59] <TheCheggs> sounds good seblabel :)
[18:59] <philipballew_> i can find you a link seblabel
[18:59] <seblabel> thanks
[19:00] <seblabel> this computer is a 600mhz cpu
[19:00] <seblabel> and now 128 mo
[19:00] <seblabel> it was 24 mo before, and ONLY slitaz allow me to used it with graphics
[19:00] <TheCheggs> damn!
[19:01] <seblabel> i bought it
[19:01] <TheCheggs> is it one of those old lap tops?
[19:01] <seblabel> yes
[19:01] <seblabel> a toshiba
[19:01] <TheCheggs> i know we have one around here, an HP from 2002 i think it is
[19:01] <TheCheggs> with 256meg of ram and 800 mhz if i am not mistaken
[19:01] <seblabel> S1710
[19:03] <seblabel> http://images48.fotosik.pl/274/2e2561fbb3bc95edmed.jpg
[19:03] <TheCheggs> is that the one?
[19:03] <TheCheggs> is that windows 2000 sticker?
[19:03] <seblabel> with slitaz and the 128 mo, it's now a real rocket
[19:04] <seblabel> yes, windows ME
[19:04] <seblabel> it was sold with it
[19:04] <TheCheggs> yeah
[19:04] <seblabel> (i wonder how people could used this)
[19:04] <philipballew_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox
[19:04] <Unit193> Mine want to continue on #lubuntu-offtopic.
[19:05] <TheCheggs> i was blessed to have never used ME but from what i've heard it stands for Microsoft Eats turds
[19:05] <Unit193> s/Mine/Might/
[19:05] <CTtechguy> philipballew: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/netvideohunter-video-downloade/?src=search
[19:05] <CTtechguy> will allow you to dl from blip
[19:06] <philipballew_> CTtechguy, thank you
[19:06] <seblabel> TheCheggs: philipballew_ link could be interesting for you
[19:07] <TheCheggs> i am using openbox right now :)
[19:08] <TheCheggs> obmenu is a good tool, sure beats the heck out of editing all that text
[19:08] <seblabel> philipballew_: thank you
[19:08] <CTtechguy> I have a dell inspiron c610 with 512gm ram that runs crunchbang very well
[19:11] <seblabel> so, here we go
[19:11] <seblabel> let's try
[19:16] <TheCheggs> )
[19:16] <TheCheggs> :)
[19:19] <seblabel> i'm trying debian minimal install
[19:20] <seblabel> and if it's ok, i will use openbox only
[19:20] <bioterror> it is okay
[19:20] <seblabel> and keybinds
[19:20] <seblabel> :)
[19:21] <TheCheggs> seblabel, i deem you worthy of openbox knighthood, you shall now be known as Sir Seblabel!
[19:22] <seblabel> oh my Lord, you gave the greatest honor
[19:23] <seblabel> rc.xml will become my Graal
[19:23] <seblabel> :D
[19:23] <TheCheggs> :D
[19:24] <TheCheggs> i could share my configs with you :>
[19:24] <seblabel> oh yes!
[19:25] <TheCheggs> :D i shall package them right away!
[19:25] <bioterror> if I share mine, would it be a threesome then?
[19:25] <TheCheggs> AWW YEAH!!!
[19:26] <seblabel> YEAHHH!!!
[19:26] <bioterror> actually, I dont have much there, only chromium opens into certain workspace and some window movements
[19:27] <seblabel> what is chromium ?
[19:27] <bioterror> web browser
[19:27] <TheCheggs> i have just simple configs, nothing special
[19:27] <seblabel> ok
[19:27] <TheCheggs> do you want my menu config?
[19:28] <bioterror> if I dont have browser running and I click url, it will spawn browser into workspace #2
[19:28] <seblabel> cool
[19:30] <seblabel> 83%
[19:32] <seblabel> 98% ohhhh
[19:33] <seblabel> ohhhh yeahhhhh!!
[19:34] <TheCheggs> AWWY EAH
[19:36] <TheCheggs> http://ge.tt/2QROPiF/v/0
[19:36] <TheCheggs> i was gonna use mediafire
[19:36] <TheCheggs> but there little pansy boys
[19:36] <TheCheggs> with ther eclients now
[19:36] <TheCheggs> pfft
[19:42] <littlegirl> Hey there, is there a page anywhere that lists what will change between Lubuntu 11.10 and Lubuntu 12.04?
[19:43] <bioterror> LXDM to LightDM
[19:43] <bioterror> Lubuntu Software Centre will be added
[19:44] <littlegirl> Is there a 12.04 beta .iso?
[19:44] <bioterror> yes
[19:44] <littlegirl> We just discovered Lubuntu last night, and my son liked 11.10, but we'd love to see what the LTS will be like. (:
[19:45] <seblabel> hey littlegirl, i'm sure that your an old boy
[19:45] <bioterror> as awesome as 11.10 ,;)
[19:45] <littlegirl> I'm a die-hard KDE user, but my son uses Ubuntu, and he's horrified at the changes to GNOME, and looking for an alternative. (:
[19:45] <littlegirl> Do you have a link to the beta? I wasn't able to find it.
[19:45] <TheCheggs> i'm trying to find some documentation on 12.04
[19:46] <Unit193> littlegirl: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[19:46] <littlegirl> Unit193: Oh, nice! Bookmarked! (:
[19:48] <TheCheggs> i can't seem to locate one
[19:49] <bioterror> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/03/29/ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin-beta-2-released/
[19:50] <TheCheggs> nice bioterror
[19:50] <TheCheggs> brb all
[19:51] <bioterror> there really is no big changes in Lubuntu
[19:51] <bioterror> mostly the one you will see is that LXDM is now changed to LightDM
[19:52] <littlegirl> I'm 35% done grabbing it and will be checking out the LightDM shortly. (:
[19:53] <littlegirl> By the way, that fridge page links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu and there's no mention of what will be different there.
[19:53] <littlegirl> I had never even heard of your project until last night. (:
[19:54] <bioterror> better late than never, right?
[19:54] <Unit193> bioterror: Some application updates as well, but nothing "major" like switching to Unity. ;)
[19:54] <bioterror> or switching to plasma
[19:55] <hosoka> is there a way where I can report upgrade issues error ?
[19:56] <bioterror> hosoka, launchpad
[19:56] <Unit193> Upgrade issues? QA tracker I'd think.
[19:56] <hosoka> bioterror: can you provide me link please ?
[19:56] <bioterror> hosoka, what kind of issue you have, if I may ask?
[19:56] <hosoka> Unit193: that is what I mean, I could not find the correct path.
[19:56] <Unit193> qa.ubuntu.com maybe?
[19:57] <littlegirl> My son is saying that somewhere in the forums he saw that the latest version of 64-bit Kubuntu would always be fully backward compatible with 32-bit software. He's wondering if that will also be the case with Lubuntu.
[19:57] <hosoka> bioterror: upgrade from Lubuntu 10.10 with only the lubuntu-core upgading this till the 11.10 where it fail
[19:58] <bioterror> littlegirl, yeah you can use 32bit libraries
[19:58] <hosoka> the autologin feature hang on on me which resulted no display at all. I believe at the plymouth, not sure, it turns out black.
[19:58] <littlegirl> bioterror: Awesome, thanks! I think he's found a new operating system when the LTS comes out. (:
[19:59] <hosoka> I would need to report this if someone can do a similar test like this.
[19:59] <littlegirl> 82% done downloading, and counting... (:
[20:07] <TheCheggs> sorry i am back
[20:08] <littlegirl> Okay, I booted the Live CD and the mouse cursor is different (looks nicer), the network icon is different, and there's the Software Center. Other than that it looks and seems to act like it did. My son will definitely be using it when the LTS comes out next month. (:
[20:15] <hosoka> will the new LTS version work below 256 MB Ram ?
[20:16] <littlegirl> No idea. I'm giving it 512MB in my virtual machine. (:
[20:18] <TheCheggs> how much ram is it using in virtual box littlegirl?
[20:19] <littlegirl> TheCheggs: I'm in the middle of actually installing it right now, but I'll let you know when it's done. (:
[20:19] <TheCheggs> ohh alright thank you :)
[20:20] <littlegirl> This page talks about the Lubuntu requirements. It doesn't list them, yet, so you might wnat to keep an eye on it: http://lubuntu.net/tags/requirements
[20:20] <hosoka> ok, just for me to know if I need more RAM in case.
[20:20] <littlegirl> After it's done installing, I can boot the Live CD again and give it less than 256 MB and see how it does. (:
[20:20] <TheCheggs> holy crap
[20:20] <TheCheggs> this hasn't been updated in forever
[20:20] <hosoka> littlegirl: thanks
[20:20] <TheCheggs> lucid haha
[20:20] <littlegirl> Or I can change the amount of RAM the installed version uses and probably test it out better. (:
[20:20] <littlegirl> hosoka: Any time. (:
[20:20] <littlegirl> How much RAM shall I give it?
[20:21] <TheCheggs> well 512 is fine i just was wanting to see how much ram it used idling
[20:21] <MrChrisDruif> 300.000.000?
[20:21] <hosoka> littlegirl: try with less and see what it gives
[20:22] <littlegirl> TheCheggs: My son said when I used it last night (but that was Lubuntu 11.10), it used like a hundred and some MB of RAM, and anywhere from 0% - 3% CPU. I'm not sure how much 12.04 uses, but will know shortly. (:
[20:22] <littlegirl> hosoka: Will do. It's most of the way done installing now. (:
[20:23] <TheCheggs> thanks :D
[20:23] <hosoka> I have made a request for testing with the Lubuntu QA forum
[20:24] <littlegirl> I'm not sure how much of a difference it will make that this is inside of VirtualBox, either, rather than directly on the hard drive. Does that make any difference when judging how well something runs?
[20:24] <hosoka> as I am using less then 512 currently. Frankly speaking not even half of it :-)
[20:24] <littlegirl> Installation complete. Rebooting...
[20:24] <littlegirl> I like the new log-in interface. (:
[20:25] <littlegirl> It's using 108 MB of RAM with just the Task Manager open.
[20:25] <hosoka> are you log-in putting the credentials everytime ?
[20:26] <hosoka> is there an autologin feature ?
[20:26] <littlegirl> hosoka: Nope. You just have to type your password now. It puts your user name in for you. (:
[20:26] <littlegirl> Hmmm, will have to reboot and see. (:
[20:26] <littlegirl> How much RAM shall I give it to cripple it nicely?
[20:27] <TheCheggs> 256 should be nice
[20:27] <TheCheggs> and if it runs fine on 256
[20:27] <littlegirl> Okay, 256 it will be. (:
[20:27] <hosoka> try 196 ?
[20:27] <littlegirl> Okay, trying that instead. (:
[20:28] <MrChrisDruif> littlegirl; are you the same I saw the other day on #ubuntu-doc ?
[20:28] <littlegirl> MrChrisDruif: Yep - I kind of flit around from place to place. (:
[20:28] <littlegirl> I've been helping out with the Kubuntu documentation. (:
[20:28] <hosoka> I believe we all need to peak from time to time to Ubuntu :-)
[20:29] <MrChrisDruif> We could use some help with Lubuntu documentation ^_^
[20:29] <KM0201> of course
[20:29] <MrChrisDruif> If you'ew interested, ping me on #lubuntu-offtopic littlegirl
[20:30] <littlegirl> MrChrisDruif: Well, I now know DocBook and Bazaar. (:
[20:30] <littlegirl> MrChrisDruif: Will do in a moment. (:
[20:31] <littlegirl> hosoka: I totally forgot. There is no way to auto-log-in from the log-in screen, but it asked me if I wanted that feature when I did the installation, so yes, you can definitely have it automatically log you in if you like.
[20:31] <littlegirl> I took a screenshot of the new log-in interface and will post it momentarily.
[20:32] <littlegirl> http://imagebin.org/206078
[20:33] <tata> whichone audio mixer good operate in lubuntu 11.10?
[20:33] <littlegirl> LOL, it's using 78 to 79 MB of 183 MB of available RAM. (:
[20:34] <TheCheggs> AWESOME!
[20:34] <littlegirl> I notice a *very* slight slowness to it compared to when I gave it 512 MB of RAM, but nothing you probably couldn't live with. Hmmm, I'm wondering if I should hit the thrift shop and go find some old computer to throw a copy of this onto just for fun. (:
[20:35] <hosoka> littlegirl: thanks for that. Found a link for this request on http://www.computersupportforums.com/showthread.php?tid=51984
[20:35] <hosoka> Seems that there are more demands for this.
[20:36] <littlegirl> hosoka: Oh! So if you don't choose it during installation, it can't be done?
[20:37] <hosoka> littlegirl: not sure, as I got stuck on the autologin feature when upgrading to 11.10 where this feature was gone without any reason.
[20:38] <hosoka> as I have only 1 pc that is in being used by everyone I cannot test everytime on it if the autologin feature was enabled. With this I need to install the whole system again.
[20:38] <littlegirl> hosoka: Well, during the installation it asked if I wanted to use a password and if I wanted to auto-log-in. I chose the password, but at that point you could choose the auto-log-in. (:
[20:38] <hosoka> oh
[20:38] <littlegirl> hosoka: Hopefully the developers will tell you how it can be done, even if it's from the command line. (:
[20:39] <hosoka> from the forums I found out it works but not for everyone
[20:39] <hosoka> like me for example :-)
[20:40] <hosoka> knowing the it used lxdm or lightdm by default it did not worked for me for a while now.
[20:40] <hosoka> not sure if the gdm which I am using conflicts with the currently used display manager by default with the latest distro.
[20:41] <littlegirl> hosoka: Well, if you know for sure that you want it, you can choose it during installation, but then it will probably use it forever. I'm not sure if you could change it back without reinstalling. Hopefully someone knows. (:
[20:43] <hosoka> I will need to test it on a seperate pc. Or if someone can test with with Lubuntu 11.04 using the GDM display manager with Autologin activated and then from there upgraded to 12.04
[20:43] <hosoka> see if this works out. For sure to check this out
[20:43] <littlegirl> I suspect that if you upgrade, it respects your existing settings.
[20:43] <hosoka> I have tested Ubuntu with the lightDM and the autologin works perfrect.
[20:44] <littlegirl> hosoka: Ah, then it should work for you, because that's what Lubuntu uses. (:
[20:44] <hosoka> not when you upgrade from 11.04 with GDM to 11.10
[20:45] <hosoka> somehow with the 11.10 the autologin feature got kicked out
[20:45] <littlegirl> Oh!
[20:45] <Unit193> Working on one here.
[20:45] <littlegirl> I think that's because LightDM uses ldm rather than gdm.
[20:45] <hosoka> that's what I thought
[20:46] <Unit193> LightDM is a manager like GDM, it doesn't *use* GDM.
[20:46] <hosoka> Unit193: but on LightDM have you enabled auto login ?
[20:47] <littlegirl> Unit193: That probably explains it, then.
[20:47] <Unit193> LightDM is in 12.04, I don't use that.
[20:47] <hosoka> for me it does not matters, but for the users on the pc they are used to it, that's why.
[20:48] <hosoka> as LightDM in Ubuntu autologin workst different on Lubuntu not ?
[20:49] <Unit193> LightDM does have autologin.
[20:49] <hosoka> it works simply like on this link http://askubuntu.com/questions/51086/how-do-i-enable-auto-login-in-lightdm
[20:49] <hosoka> Unit193: I know that it has, but on lubuntu it works different then on Ubuntu
[20:50] <hosoka> not sure if in Lubuntu are able to use a gui for example or to enabled it in lxterminal
[20:51] <hosoka> many questions regarding this topic and this is another example: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/enable-autologin-in-lightdm-929740/
[20:52] <Unit193> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LightDM#Enabling_Autologin This says how to do it.
[20:53] <Unit193> But, generally pangolin support is in #ubuntu+1 as more people that know are in there. :P  (Ask either here or there though, don't crosspost)
[20:56] <hosoka> Unit193: thanks I will have a look into it.
[20:56] <hosoka> Good night all, will leave now.
[20:56] <Unit193> 'Night.
[21:51] <FernandoCueva> what is the recommended partittion layout for lubuntu
[21:52] <TheCheggs> uhh
[21:52] <TheCheggs> stanerd for ubuntu should work fine
[21:52] <TheCheggs> standerd
[21:54] <bioterror> FernandoCueva, 1.5x the ram for swap and rest for the /
[22:01] <phillw> unless you hate pain, and want to make a seperate /home :)
[22:06] <FernandoCueva> if i need to set up a separate /home I have to edit the fstab line correct
[22:08] <bioterror> you have to do it on the installation
[22:08] <bioterror> otherwise you have to edit partition sizes and then edit fstab
[22:14] <FernandoCueva> true
[22:40] <FernandoCueva> I just installed opera as webbrowser on lubuntu but the icon doesn't show on internet apps why is that where is it
[22:41] <bioterror> it's located in /usr/share/applications/
[22:41] <bioterror> probably opera.desktop
[22:44] <FernandoCueva> but why wasn't the icon put on the internet suite
[22:46] <bioterror> you can rise a bug against opera
[22:46] <bioterror> and it should be added
[22:47] <bioterror> just like firefox and all the others
[22:47] <FernandoCueva> but it added inself in my other pc with ubuntu
[22:47] <bioterror> opera is a nice operating system and quite okay web browser inside it ;)
[22:49] <bioterror> hah
[22:49] <bioterror> my 12.04 doesnt have Opera
[22:49] <bioterror> in the repos
[22:50] <FernandoCueva> shame on you
[22:51] <bioterror> so if you installed that from the ubuntu repositories, you should file a bug against opera
[22:52] <FernandoCueva> I downloaded the file from opera site
[22:52] <bioterror> okay, then it's not our problem
[22:52] <bioterror> it's opera's staff who has packaged it
[22:54] <FernandoCueva> fine
[22:54] <bioterror> FernandoCueva, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser#Install_via_repository_.28recommended.29
[22:54] <bioterror> that's how you should do it
[23:28] <FernandoCueva> why the linux kernel in lubuntu doesn't want to upgrade, I type apt-get upgrade but linux-generic linux-headers-generic and linux-image-generic are among the packages that are being kept back
[23:28] <Unit193> You'll need to "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" for that.
[23:29] <FernandoCueva> I downloaded 10.04 because it was lts
[23:29] <Unit193> upgrade = upgrade is used to install the newest versions of all packages currently installed.
[23:29] <FernandoCueva> will that command upgrade me to 12.04
[23:29] <Unit193> Nope.
[23:31] <FernandoCueva> I can't update kernel version if i don't move off 10.04 is that what you're saying
[23:31] <FernandoCueva> I thought 10.04 was lts or still supported
[23:32] <Unit193> No it is not what I'm saying.
[23:32] <Unit193> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will install new packages if needed by others while upgrade alone will not.
[23:35] <FernandoCueva> got it
[23:42] <wasp> what's sup players
[23:43] <Myrtti> hiya
[23:45] <FernandoCueva> why when I want to remove chronium it also wants to get rid of the lxde enviroment wtf what does it thinks it is
[23:47] <wasp> fermandocueva: same thing here but i think yiu cant remove the default browser
[23:47] <wxl> FernandoCueva: what browser do you want?
[23:50] <bioterror> FernandoCueva, it wants to get rid of lubuntu-desktop?
[23:50] <FernandoCueva> yea
[23:50] <FernandoCueva> I want opera alone
[23:50] <bioterror> it's okay
[23:51] <FernandoCueva> it's the lxde desktop enviroment I will be blind
[23:51] <wxl> have you made opera the default browser already FernandoCueva ?
[23:51] <FernandoCueva> no yet
[23:51] <wxl> do so then try again
[23:51] <FernandoCueva> this is an anoyance
[23:53] <bioterror> FernandoCueva, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveLubuntuDesktop
[23:53] <wxl> bioterror: nono, he JUST wants to get rid of chromium
[23:54] <bioterror> and chromium is listed in lubuntu-desktop
[23:54] <bioterror> if I remember right
[23:54] <bioterror> you can correct me if I'm wrong
[23:55] <FernandoCueva> so I have to change default browser in order to remove chronium without it asking me to also get rid of lxde
[23:56] <wxl> hold on, =checking my theory here
[23:56] <bioterror> FernandoCueva, read again what it suggestss
[23:56] <bioterror> if you remove chromium, it will ask to remove lubuntu-desktop, nothing to deal with lxde
[23:57] <FernandoCueva> let me read you what it says here
[23:58] <FernandoCueva> it says it is the lubuntu desktop enviroment
[23:59] <FernandoCueva> this package is the lxde desktop as a lightweight ubuntu enviroment
[23:59] <bioterror> and by that it means lubuntu-desktop
[23:59] <bioterror> which is this meta package
[23:59] <FernandoCueva> is not gnome?