[00:05] <neglesaks> because the beta 2 is still a development release, and not released to the general upgrades yet
[00:05] <neglesaks> good night :=9
[00:15] <aguitel> i am in 11.10 triyng to upgrade to 12.04 ,when i type in command line sudo do-release-upgrade -d it say :No new release found ,why ?
[00:21] <glosoli> aguitel: it's not officially out ?
[00:22] <aguitel> glosoli, not
[00:23] <glosoli> aguitel: so that might be the problem :) ?
[00:23] <glosoli> aguitel: Beta 2 was released recently
[00:23] <aguitel> glosoli, in other pc it work
[00:23] <glosoli> aguitel: aa sorry then hmm, do you use the same mirrors
[00:23] <glosoli> in both pcs ?
[00:24] <aguitel> in that i am now not
[00:25] <glosoli> you could try switching to main mirror
[00:25] <aguitel> yes
[00:26] <glosoli> aguitel: maybe it would help, I am not sure
[01:09] <oscarpaats> Hi. How to enable webGL in Google Chrome?
[01:09] <oscarpaats> I tried the terminal one but does not work
[01:23] <trism> oscarpaats: it works on my nvidia desktop with chromium, but not on this netbook with intel, this page: http://support.google.com/chrome/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1220892 vaguely indicates that mesa < 7.9 is required to work with intel, but we have 8.0 in precise, so that may be a reason
[01:38] <simononlaptop> Is it possible to update 11.10 to 12.04 through termianl yet
[01:38] <mkultra_> doubt it
[01:39] <mkultra_> download the 12.04 image and install it to a flash drive and boot from the flash, check it out, i think i put beta 1 on here, and upgraded to beta 2
[01:39] <NFisher> Hi all! how do i get transperent gnome panels in 12.04?
[01:40] <simononlaptop> I have awful internet  thats why i asked lol
[01:41] <mkultra_> i would turn compiz on fisher
[01:41] <ratcheer> simononlaptop: Upgrading via terminal or GUI shouldn't make much difference for the internet access.
[01:41] <mkultra_> and use transparency plugin
[01:42] <mkultra_> make sure to get the plugins for compiz
[01:42] <mkultra_> and ccsm to enable your plugins to enable transparency through that
[01:42] <NFisher> thx
[01:42] <simononlaptop> anything is a difference on 20kps down
[01:42] <NFisher> did it for me :)
[01:43] <trism> NFisher: you can use gnome-tweak-tool to change themes, also System Settings/Appearance lets you change between a few hardcoded themes
[01:44] <NFisher> oh ok thx!
[01:44] <trism> NFisher: yes, transparent panels weren't working so well with the applets last time I tried
[01:44] <NFisher> omg :/
[01:44] <mkultra_> brightness opacity and saturation
[01:45] <mkultra_> alt + mousewheel opacity on everything
[01:46] <NFisher> can you tell me which font was default in 10.04?
[01:47] <mkultra_> nope, 10.04 is really old
[01:47] <NFisher> hmm...
[01:47] <mkultra_> i went from 10.10 to 10.04 and it was horrible
[01:47] <mkultra_> lol
[01:47] <trism> NFisher: sans on my desktop, but I may have messed with them
[01:47] <NFisher> trism, yeah just switched it to sans ;)
[01:49] <mrd_> iam using 11.10
[01:49] <trism> NFisher: I kind of like the ubuntu font for some things, oh and I found bug 941412 for the future port of human to gtk3
[01:49] <mrd_> how to upgrade to 12.04
[01:49] <mkultra_> i need my old gtk 2 theme moved to gtk3
[01:49] <mkultra_> its a mess right now =(
[01:49] <mrd_> iam using 11.10 how tgo up grade to 12.04 and is it stable i dont want crashing or any thing
[01:49] <trism> mrd_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Beta2#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_11.10_or_Ubuntu_10.04_LTS
[01:50] <mkultra_> i downloaded a iso of 12.04 and installed it to a flash drive
[01:50] <trism> mrd_: it isn't too bad, but there are still bugs (I had unity-greeter crashing constantly earlier today)
[01:50] <mrd_> ok
[01:50] <mkultra_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[01:51] <mrd_> i think i will wait for complete version
[01:51] <mrd_> one more thing
[01:51] <mrd_> iam using 11.10 i use a alkternative for the flash lightgrab some time its not working
[01:52] <NFisher> thing is, i need to change this black color in wich the far left "Applications" and "Places" Menus, and on the far left user-switcher etc. is. They wont change by changing themes :(
[01:53] <mkultra_> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-from-usb-stick.html
[01:54] <mkultra_> i use xfce, its a simpler life style lol
[01:54] <bitplane-> Hi guys, since the upgrade I can't choose hibernate as an option in power settings. Any idea where I should start digging?
[01:55] <mkultra_> i try to stray from hibernation and sleeping computers
[01:55] <mkultra_> on or off for me =/
[01:56] <bitplane-> I don't wanna shut down and close all my work just because I've run out of battery
[01:56] <NFisher> it looks pretty messy atm : http://oi43.tinypic.com/11ufg5y.jpg
[01:56] <bitplane-> might have three workspaces of apps open
[01:57] <bitplane-> anyway, my question is: any idea where gnome gets this info, and what I can do to debug / confirm whether it's a bug / fix?
[01:57] <trism> NFisher: here's the bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-panel/+bug/966697 seems to be a bug in gtk
[01:57] <mkultra_> user name, "damn"
[01:59] <NFisher> oh man...
[02:00] <mkultra_> lol
[02:01] <bitplane-> hrm since I joined this channel empathy's main window is dead and gnome-settings-daemon is using 100% cpu
[02:01] <mkultra_> fisher id ask in #gnome for them to repair ur problems
[02:01] <trism> bitplane-: it is disabled by default in precise, but see http://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-modify-policykit-to-allow-hibernation-in-upower
[02:01] <bitplane-> superb, thanks
[02:05] <mkultra_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin wow thats a crazy animal
[02:05] <bitplane-> okay, so how do I add my XPS to the list of devices that will happily suspend/hibernate/resume? I've never had problems with it on this laptop
[02:06] <mkultra_> ive not trusted it since win2k, its a trap
[02:07] <mkultra_> though it does sound much better than years ago from what your saying about it
[02:08] <trism> bitplane-: I don't think there is actually a list, it is just disabled for everyone by default, the first answer shows a method to enable it again
[02:09] <bitplane-> ah, that's a pretty crappy decision IMO
[02:09] <bitplane-> hacking around with settings files in admin mode to enable a bread-and-butter feature
[02:10] <bitplane-> oh well, time to reboot and see if it works
[02:10] <bitplane-> brb
[02:26] <RedBunny> would someone tell me how to change the system font,...?
[02:27] <mkultra_> http://www.installubuntulinux.com/2011/09/howto-change-system-font-sizes-in.html
[02:27] <mkultra_> ?
[02:27] <RedBunny> thanx
[02:28] <mkultra_> ;-)
[02:28] <mkultra_> ubuntus easier than windows if u know how to go about it
[02:29] <mkultra_> way back in the day i learned slackware with kde 3.5, and that was windowsy enough for me to cross over to the dark side
[02:37] <RedBunny> yeah i was on linux back with slackware 7 and redhat 7 ,... back in '00 - '03
[02:38] <RedBunny> hey i donw loaded that program but its  not showing up ,... where do i look for it at
[02:38] <RedBunny> for the fonts
[02:38] <mkultra_> try $HOME/Downloads
[02:39] <RedBunny> ok,...
[02:41] <RedBunny> it seemed to not download the whole thing , cause it downloaded in like 5 seconds ,... i found it on the software repo though and am dnlingit ,...thanx
[02:46] <scar3crow> since there is no xorg.conf... which file do I edit to specify the amount of shared vram for my system pls
[02:52] <scar3crow> anyone?
[02:53] <bjsnider> xorg.conf
[02:55] <scar3crow> bjsnider: create the file and place it in /etc/X11?
[02:55] <bjsnider> affirmative
[02:55] <scar3crow> tyvm
[02:56] <scar3crow> I don't suppose you know the correct syntax to set vram in xorg.conf...
[02:57] <NFisher> HI all, me again:)... I just created a Start-up-USB-Stick within Ubuntu 12.04 Beta2 using the given Start-Disk creator. I want to creeate a bootable version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Now as the creator finished, and i tried to boot from the USB-Stick the following Error occurred (i created it 2 times by now, same error): "Unknown keyword in configuration file: gfxboot ; vesamenu.c32: not a COM32R image ; boot:" what do i do?!?
[02:58] <trism> NFisher: I usually use unetbootin to workaround that problem (usb-creator tends to use options older versions of ubuntu don't support, and it is a pain to manually edit them)
[02:59] <NFisher> trism, ill give it a try, thx!
[03:03] <mkultra_> yeah unetbootin key works good
[03:04] <mkultra_> nice to be able to boot to it and test if its my end or not
[03:07] <RedBunny> i sed pendriveelinux just this week to install ubuntu 12.04
[03:07] <RedBunny> used
[03:08] <RedBunny> can someone tell me how to set up the google calader function in Thunderbird ,...
[03:08] <etfb> Very impressed with 12.04.  Can't wait to get the rest of my family onto it.  Looking good so far!
[03:08] <RedBunny> i have the section but dont know the url to put in ,....
[03:09] <micahg> RedBunny: install lightning-extension
[03:09] <RedBunny> yeah i havent been on linux since 2003 and then i was a Slackware fanatic,... this rocks
[03:09] <micahg> RedBunny: that is xul-ext-lightning
[03:09] <RedBunny> ok
[03:09] <RedBunny> actually i think i installed it already but its asking for a google url
[03:10] <RedBunny> should it be asking for a google url or have i installed a wrongplugin ,...?
[03:11] <micahg> umm, I would think one is needed to access a google calendar, but idr
[03:13] <RedBunny> one what ,.. i do have lighting working,,,, but looking to connect it to google calader
[03:14] <etfb> One thing I noticed, never having used a pre-release Ubuntu before, is that the automatic upgrade doesn't happen.  I can sudo apt-get dist-upgrade whenever I remember, but what do I do to automate the process?
[03:14] <micahg> RedBunny: yeah, there should be instructions in google calendar for adding it to clients
[03:15] <micahg> etfb: update-manager should be prompting you when there are updates waiting
[03:15] <scientes> anyone else finding that cups is broken ?
[03:15] <etfb> scientes: I seem to be printing OK, without any extra fiddling.
[03:16] <scientes> well im not trying to print
[03:16] <scientes> i get dpkg problems
[03:16] <etfb> micahg: Not for me. How do I check if it's running?
[03:16] <scientes> i tried purging and reinstalling and it didn't help
[03:16] <RedBunny> aye good point
[03:16] <micahg> etfb: is update-notifier running?
[03:17] <scientes> invoke-rc.d: initscript cups, action "start" failed.
[03:17] <scientes> thats the error ^
[03:17] <etfb> micahg: Apparently, yes.  ps says it is, anyhow.
[03:17] <etfb> But I don't think it's ever notified me of any updates.
[03:17] <micahg> scientes: cups uses upstart
[03:18] <scientes> i am using upstart
[03:18] <scientes> but im using a mainline kernel
[03:18] <scientes> if that makes any difference
[03:18] <micahg> scientes: service cups status
[03:18] <scientes> that error makes dpkg unhappy
[03:18] <micahg> oh, hmm, on upgrade?
[03:18] <scientes> yeah
[03:19] <micahg> scientes: hmm, might be worth filing a bug
[03:19] <scientes> i had to remove cups in order to upgrade other stuff
[03:20] <micahg> I see Bug #968748
[03:20] <micahg> which is about lpstat not working
[03:21] <etfb> micahg: I've switched everything on in update manager anyhow. I'll see if that works.  It might have only been checking weekly and I didn't notice.
[03:21] <scientes> well i though that i had disabled it, so i did update-rc.d cups defaults
[03:21] <scientes> after i tried a reinstall
[03:21] <etfb> Has anyone got VMWare Player to work in 12.04?
[03:22] <scientes> >VMWare Player
[03:22] <scientes> yuck
[03:22] <scientes> what OS is the host etfb ?
[03:23] <scientes> and well, the person that filed that bug was using 12.04 with vmware
[03:24] <etfb> Can't get as far as running a VM, scientes -- it won't compile itself because of problems with the VMWare Network Drivers, apparently.
[03:26] <scientes> oh that
[03:27] <scientes> just use virt-manager + qemu-kvm
[03:27] <etfb> Ah, looking at the errors, it appears they haven't updated yet to handle the latest kernel.
[03:27] <scientes> VMWare player is serious anti-feature software anyways
[03:27] <scientes> yes, that is the problem, just use the great KVM, which is faster
[03:27] <scientes> and has the awesome baloon memory driver
[03:27] <scientes> so you can reallocate guest memory on the fly
[03:28] <etfb> No, I've tried VirtualBox and the abortive Microsoft equivalent. Both are hideously flaky. VMWare has always been excellent.  Unless I can easily port my dozens of virtual machines, I'm not going to try any alternatives.
[03:28] <scientes> (if its a linux guest)
[03:28] <scientes> virt-manager works on native vmdk files
[03:28] <scientes> *qemu does, but virt-manager is just a qemu/virsh front-end
[03:28] <etfb> I don't need clever features.  I need a VM system that doesn't crash when I do controversial things like moving the mouse or pressing the Ctrl key.
[03:28] <scientes> all you have to do is apt-get install virt-manager qemu-kvm
[03:29]  * scientes has never had those problems
[03:29] <etfb> Well, if it won't break my VMs, I'll try it.  VirtualBox soured me on FLOSS VMs though.  Such an ugly, broken piece of software...
[03:29]  * scientes doesn't like VirtualBox
[03:30] <scientes> virt-manager and kvm are heavily red-hat funded pieces of software
[03:30] <etfb> The only downside to VMWare is waiting up to a month for it to work with each major kernel upgrade.
[03:30] <scientes> the only thing you don't get with KVM is it wont work on computers without virt extensions
[03:30] <etfb> Ah, that makes a difference.  Not impressed with RH or Fedora as distros, but you have to respect a company that can make a billion dollars at something.
[03:31] <etfb> Virt extensions?
[03:31] <scientes> AMD-V and vt-X, the cpu extensions that make virtualization perform well on cpu stuff
[03:31] <scientes> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_virtualization#Processor
[03:32] <scientes> VMWare, Xen, and kqemu work without those extensions, all the other platforms require them
[03:32] <etfb> I'm on a relatively recent ThinkPad, so I'll presume I'm safe.  I'll have a look.
[03:32] <scientes> yes, you are safe, although intel did segment it's processor market with that feature for a while (AMD never did)
[03:33] <scientes> egrep -c '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo
[03:33] <scientes> type that into your terminal to check
[03:33] <scientes> wow, that -c is stupid
[03:35] <etfb> E: Unable to locate package virt-manager
[03:35] <etfb> E: Unable to locate package qemu-kvm
[03:35] <etfb>  
[03:35] <scientes> you have to turn on universe
[03:35] <etfb> Funny - I thought I had.  Lemme check that...
[03:35] <scientes> also, which not strictly required, i recommend running 64-bit OS
[03:36] <etfb> Oh, I don't...
[03:37] <etfb> I just barely survived the move from 8 bits to 16, and I'm still suffering from the introduction of 32 bits.  I don't want to risk doubling down again for at least another thirty or forty years.  The nightmares!
[03:38] <etfb> Universe is on.  Might need a kick in the repositories...
[03:38] <scientes> Linux has done VERY well in the transition
[03:38] <scientes> however there was some problems with 32-bit compat in 64-bit linux
[03:38] <scientes> BUT
[03:38] <scientes> now ubuntu has multiarch
[03:38] <scientes> so that works well again
[03:38] <scientes> 32-bit and 64-bit libraries are co-installable
[03:39] <etfb> Ah - apt-get update fixed it.  Happier now.
[03:45] <scientes> after install you have to do sudo adduser $USER libvirtd; sudo adduser $USER kvm
[03:45] <scientes> and the logout and log back in
[03:46] <scientes> if you want to use virtual machine as non-root
[03:51] <onoez_omg> i'm experiencing problems with hostapd, it worked with the same config on 11.10 but refuses to start at 12.04, should i compile hostapd manually? is it a bug?
[03:51] <onoez_omg> http://pastebin.com/fxraawu1
[03:51] <scientes> etfb, doing good?
 Ah, that makes a difference.  Not impressed with RH or Fedora as distros, but you have to respect a company that can make a billion dollars at something.
[03:55] <scientes> from FLOSS too!
[03:58] <mkultra_> hi
[04:00] <mkultra_> i have unresolved wifi problems myself, im running cat 5 till then
[04:03] <cc11rocks> Any major bugs in Ubuntu 12.04 Beta 2?
[04:05] <mkultra_> try it out
[04:05] <mkultra_> find them
[04:05] <mkultra_> send bug reports
[04:05] <cc11rocks> Are there any release notes for it?
[04:05] <mkultra_> i reported bugs and they were fixed
[04:05] <cc11rocks> I couldn't find them...only the "new features" part
[04:17] <onoez_omg> i'm experiencing problems with hostapd, it worked with the same config on 11.10 but refuses to start at 12.04, should i compile hostapd manually? is it a bug?
[04:17] <onoez_omg> http://pastebin.com/fxraawu1
[04:25] <onoez_omg> guys, i desperately need help on the subject, anyone?
[04:29] <kyoushuu> Is it still possible for merges from Debian Testing to be done?
[04:40] <bazhang> !schedule
[04:42] <bazhang> January 12th	LTS DebianImportFreeze  kyoushuu
[04:42] <micahg> kyoushuu: yes
[04:43] <kyoushuu> aww, so why does "Ubuntu 12.04 Development Update" is asking to help for merges?
[04:43] <micahg> kyoushuu: merges are fine still, but subject to Feature and UI freeze
[04:43] <kyoushuu> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/ubuntu-12-04-development-update-20/ -> "Things which need to get done", first in list
[04:45] <kyoushuu> ah... so is it possible to merge the newest zlib from Debian Testing? https://merges.ubuntu.com/z/zlib/REPORT
[04:45] <micahg> kyoushuu: you can get more help with merges in #ubuntu-motu
[04:45] <micahg> kyoushuu: no, I don't think we'd take the new zlib at this point
[04:48] <anthropos> is anyone else having trouble /w searhose (the passwd manager) in 12.04 ?
[04:48] <anthropos> it won't save any of my plaintext passwords
[04:48] <anthropos> when I add one it simply doesn't show up in the keyring
[04:57] <gnome2> Could anyone tell me if Ubuntu-panel is a fork from Ubuntu?
[04:57] <gnome2> or just Gnome-fallback or classic
[04:57] <gnome2> and if in the next LTS will be removed
[05:28] <frybye> Hi - when trying to use live-cd of 12.04 Beta-2 on my amd-64 with nvidia gt240 all I get is a mess of a screen - what to do...?
[05:28] <anthropos> try adding nomodeset to the kernel options
[05:29] <frybye> anthropos: was that for me?
[05:29] <anthropos> uyes
[05:29] <frybye> anthropos: how do I do that?
[05:29] <anthropos> it might already be set for the live cd, I'm not sure. you should be able to add it as a boot parameter in the grub menu somehow
[05:29] <anthropos> i don't relaly remember exactly how
[05:29] <Fyodorovna> !nomodeset
[05:30] <anthropos> thanks
[05:30] <frybye> cool - thanks...
[05:30] <Fyodorovna> no problem
[05:38] <ozzfan76> installed 12.04 on a Lenovo G570 laptop. Things work fine except a USB 3G CDMA USB modem. It is not automatically listed in Network Manager so I cannot configure it. It used to work well in 10.10, 11.04 and 11.10.
[05:41] <anthropos> ozzfan76, did you check what module it's using on 11.10
[05:41] <anthropos> and see if thats loaded in 12.04
[05:41] <ozzfan76> how do i check the module?
[05:43] <ozzfan76> i read in a bug report somewhere that there is a problem with udev and it affects CDMA modems.but i'm not sure what it really means
[05:43] <anthropos> there should be a module related to it shown by lsmod
[05:43] <anthropos> i think it'll also say in lshw -C network
[05:43] <anthropos> the driver, that is
[05:44] <ozzfan76> anthropos, this is where i read the bug report..  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/925473
[05:44] <frybye> re: I have now been able to boot to the 12.04 b2 live cd by using nomodset. What do i need to do now so that after installing the system (as dual-boot with win7) so that when it starts the screen is not a mess... is there some way to install the proprietory nvidia drivers during the install of 12.04 even before it re-boots?
[05:45] <ozzfan76> but even with the sudo udevadm trigger command, nothing really happens
[05:46] <frybye> ah - I have got it - after the install I can still select nomodset on first boot and then install the nvidia drivers.. sorry I was still sleeping apparently.. ok bye now...
[05:47] <anthropos> you cna also add nomodeset in /etc/default/grub
[05:50] <frybye> anthropos: If i am not mistaken I only need to use it once and then install the nvidia (tm) drivers...
[05:51] <anthropos> possibly, but just keep the aforementioned in mind
[05:51] <anthropos> if you have the same prob, just boot once by specifying nomodeset manually, then enable it permenantly using /etc/default/grub
[05:51] <frybye> snz
[05:52] <frybye> anthropos: ok thanks.. (sorry i let the keyboard slip... ;=)
[05:52] <anthropos> np
[05:54] <ozzfan76> ok anthropos, i suppose i have to wait for the release so that this is sorted out.
[05:54] <anthropos> ozzfan76, I don't know about the bug.. but I would check what I suggested first. i.e., is the module even loaded?
[05:55] <ozzfan76> ok.. i'm on windows on so i'll have to reboot to try it out
[05:55] <ozzfan76> how do i load the module if it isn't loaded already?
[05:56] <anthropos> you can use modprobe to do so
[05:56] <anthropos> but if it's not loaded, chances are there is a reason
[05:56] <anthropos> e.g. its broken or blacklisted
[05:56] <anthropos> do you have another comp you can use so you can bei n here while you try?
[05:58] <ozzfan76> anthropos: no :( not right now.. but i'll try later and let it know in here
[06:01] <anthropos> k. the output of lsmod and sudo lshw -C network
[06:01] <anthropos> could both be useful, if you can save them somehow
[06:03] <ozzfan76> anthropos: ok i'll do that. cya later :) thx.
[06:10] <frybye> anthropos: the pc boots straight to win7 and does not offer the grub menu to select os?? Grrr..... hehe
[06:11] <anthropos> hold shift as its booting frybye
[06:11] <anthropos> see if that brings up grub
[06:11] <frybye> ok - thanks - give it a try...
[06:11] <anthropos> np
[06:11] <anthropos> let me know how it goes
[06:12] <frybye> anthropos: nope - still goes straight to win7
[06:13] <frybye> anthropos: perhaps dosen#t help that I have a MS wireless keyboard...?
[06:13] <arand> frybye: Did you install the windows bootloader on top?
[06:13] <frybye> but the keyboad normally works from first second so...
[06:14] <frybye> arand: I just did the installation "parallel to win7" as offered from the live cd
[06:15] <frybye> arand: normally I would have expected the os selections menu to appear  - cos nothing out of the ordinary was done after the 12.04 dual boot install
[06:15] <arand> Maybe it failed to get grub in the mbr then, see if you can boot the liveCD and run the bootinfo script..
[06:15] <arand> !bootinfo
[06:19] <anthropos> frybye, you can try to reinstall grub using the live cd
[06:19] <anthropos> arand is giving you good advice that will lead to that if necessary
[06:19] <frybye> anthropos: how do I do that please?
[06:19] <anthropos> there should be docs on it online. folow arand's link or google for something like "ubuntu 11.10 live cd reinstall grub"
[06:20] <frybye> anthropos: to be honest i see little point in a lot of diagnostics - just reinstall grub would do it I hope or.ö.?
[06:20] <arand> !grub
[06:20] <arand> ^ RestoreGrub
[06:20] <anthropos> reinstalling grub will probably work
[06:20] <anthropos> do the lost grub installing windows one above
[06:20] <frybye> hmm.. the lin is on other pc of course.. bit complicated..I wll google with the live install...
[06:20] <anthropos> even though you apparently didn't lose it doing that
[06:22] <arand> However, if it is indeed the case that it failed to install grub, it would be very nice to confirm that via the bootinfo script and report a bug on ubiquity, so that it may get fixed.
[06:25] <RedBunny> how do i add a folder to the file manager ,... i ve added a Websites folder to my home folder but want it to show up on the left
[06:26] <arand> RedBunny: You can simply drag it there, I think, or use ctrl+d to bookmark the current folder.
[06:26] <RedBunny> ok ill try
[06:27] <MCR> arand: I did not know about boot repair yet - interesting :)
[06:32] <RedBunny> nope didnt work
[06:33] <frybye> anthropos: arand - thanks you guys - this is now working fine.. the nividia driver (tm) had already been installed during install - i did not even have to use nomodset once...
[06:33] <frybye> - after install I mean...
[06:34] <ozzfan76> anthropos, i'm back.. i have the output from lsmod and lshw -C network in a text file. Can i post the contents here?
[06:34] <arand> frybye: So reinstalling grub fixed it?
[06:34] <RedBunny> is there a program manager to force quit a program ,... like task manager .?
[06:35] <frybye> arand: yes - using the automatic repair option...
[06:35] <arand> frybye: In that case, report a bug on ubiquity (the installer) since failing to install grub is quite a major issue.
[06:35] <anthropos> ozzfan76, yes pastebin it
[06:36] <anthropos> RedBunny, open a terminal and type 'kill -9 <pid>' where the PID is the process id you get from 'ps aux' or something similar
[06:36] <arand> RedBunny: system monitor (gnome-system-monitor)
[06:36] <anthropos> or that...
[06:36] <frybye> arand: ok - in a bit...
[06:37] <arand> frybye: I think you should be able to use "ubuntu-bug ubiquity" for that.
[06:37] <frybye> ok - thats cool
[06:39] <ozzfan76> anthropos, here is the output of lsmod, http://pastebin.com/UWjchKJG
[06:40] <RedBunny> thanx system monitor worked
[06:40] <anthropos> ozzfan76, do you have the output of these for the working version of ubuntu, also?
[06:41] <arand> frybye: If it does not automatically please attach the contents of /var/log/installer/
[06:41] <arand> to the bug report
[06:41] <ozzfan76> anthropos, no not right now
[06:41] <ozzfan76> i do have the device id of the CDMA modem
[06:41] <ozzfan76> will that help?
[06:42] <anthropos> do you have the output of lshw
[06:43] <RedBunny> can someone help... where there are suppost to be 'commas and appostraphies, ,', ', they are showing like o's w/ filagree and stuff ,... how did i get this to happen ,...?
[06:43] <RedBunny> whereever somehting has run outt of room to be shown
[06:43] <RedBunny> too
[06:48] <ozzfan76> anthropos, here is is the lshw output: http://pastebin.com/xbsAkJGc
[06:50] <anthropos> is it the wifi or ethernet you want to get working
[06:51] <ozzfan76> the wifi and ethernet are working
[06:51] <ozzfan76> that is how i am using the net
[06:53] <anthropos> so it's a dialup modem?
[06:53] <ozzfan76> what isn't working is a modem, a CDMA modem, device id 1c9e:9e00, which would previously get detected automatically and be listed in the Network Manager so I could connect to the net with it
[06:53] <ozzfan76> yes i think its a dial up modem .. USB 3G modem
[06:53] <anthropos> well these devices in lshw aren't it. you might need to use lsusb -v
[06:54] <anthropos> or lshw without the -C
[06:54] <ozzfan76> ok checking
[06:55] <ozzfan76> it is listed in lsusb as: Bus 002 Device 005: ID 1c9e:9e00 OMEGA TECHNOLOGY
[06:57] <anthropos> any other info?
[06:57] <anthropos> it would be best to have access to the working distro
[06:57] <anthropos> you need to figure out what module is loaded that correspondsto that when it's functioning
[07:01] <ozzfan76> ok i'll check that when i'm home. Sorry i don't have a working distro here.
[07:02] <anthropos> np
[07:04] <RedBunny> where do i set the encoding for writting ,...?
[07:05] <coz_> hey guys,
[07:05] <coz_>  any issues with latelest updates including nvidia?
[07:05] <coz_> sbefore I restart? :)
[07:05] <coz_> latest rather
[07:26] <RedBunny> i somehow loded gnome desktop onto my sys, when i logout it now loads into gnome is there a way to make it just unity
[07:27] <Fyodorovna> RedBunny, choose the desktop from the gear dropdown at the login.
[07:27] <RedBunny> i know but i want it to auto boot into unity
[07:28] <Fyodorovna> RedBunny, it will autoboot the last desktop run.
[07:28] <RedBunny> and i looked at my system programs and gnome isnt installed
[07:28] <RedBunny> well it booted into gnome andi was in unity
[07:29] <RedBunny> the system update must have changed things
[07:29] <Fyodorovna> RedBunny, I had that happen once not sure if it had to do with actually rebooting rather then logging out.
[07:30] <RedBunny> can some one tell me how to change the system encoding ,......?
[07:49] <frybye> anthropos: re: Hi I am here in 12.04 using konversation now - first impressions of 12.04 b2 are positive...
[07:50] <frybye> arand: are you still active now here?
[07:50] <frybye> so far I have seen no dialogue for some reason...?
[07:53] <anthropos> nice
[07:53] <anthropos> nobody is talking :)
[07:53] <frybye> anthropos: right - so that makes sence... heheh
[07:54] <frybye> the general impression from 12.04 is rather clean and tight somehow - good...
[07:54] <bodhi009> i don't care if it remains gnome
[07:55] <frybye> it even worked -out-of-the-box with my creative x-fi soundcard.. which in the past has never worked with linux
[07:55] <UrB> on 3rd install of 12.04 here and indeed things are starting to look nice and stable, though I am running gnome3
[07:56] <UrB> haven't dared to try out bluetooth yet to not spoil this moment of satisfaction
[07:56] <frybye> oh that's an idea - I have a blutooth plugin thingy in this pc .. can see if it works with the nokia headset...
[08:02] <frybye> wow - the BT headset works fine...
[08:03] <frybye> hmm... the audio settings not showing up when trying to switch back to speakers...
[08:04] <frybye> got it - was already open in background...
[08:05] <frybye> UrB: perhaps I have encouraged you a bit??
[08:06] <frybye> depends a bit on what one exactly wants to do with BT maybe...
[08:10] <UrB> heh
[08:10] <UrB> file transfer mainly
[08:11] <UrB> and that has been broken for quite a while
[08:56] <joelio> strange issue on precise.. seem to have lost my ability to alt-tab, alt-F10 etc and some other shortcuts in gnome-sehll (fresh install).. although custom ones work
[08:58] <jokerdino> joelio: no issues here
[09:12] <lessen> hi
[09:12] <lessen> i just upgraded to 12.04 and i noticed i can no longer "browse" my password in the seahorse gui. Is this the normal case now?
[10:17] <RedBunny> how do i add a folder to the left side of my file explorer ,... under the computer heading ,.. i want to add my Websites folder
[10:17] <jokerdino> RedBunny: that's not possible, see http://askubuntu.com/questions/79150/how-to-remove-the-nautilus-bookmarks
[10:18] <RedBunny> aye
[10:19] <jokerdino> but, you can add it under bookmarks heading
[10:19] <Onlyodin> I've just upgraded to 12.04 (Beta 2) and finding that the unity/Ubuntu shell leaves me with no panels.
[10:20] <Onlyodin> Ubuntu 2D/Unity 2D seems to work (as well as expected, I guess)
[10:20] <Onlyodin> any suggestions?
[10:20] <jokerdino> Onlyodin:  you got only wallpapers to stare at, i suppose
[10:20] <Onlyodin> Wallpapers and desktop icons
[10:21] <RedBunny> lol
[10:21] <jokerdino> it is a known bug, bug 963633
[10:21] <Onlyodin> ahh right
[10:21] <Onlyodin> goodo
[10:22] <jokerdino> it will be fixed, pretty soon.
[10:22] <Onlyodin> I don't know if it's 12.04 or the "2D" desktop, but these fonts are gonna take some getting used to!
[10:22] <jokerdino> as a workaround, you can try running the command unity --reset in a terminal
[10:23] <Onlyodin> will do. brb
[10:26] <Onlyodin> Hmm.
[10:26] <Onlyodin> Now when I log in using "Ubuntu" instead of "Ubuntu 2D" I get the same gumby unity panel that Ubuntu 2D had/has
[10:27] <jokerdino> gumby?
[10:28] <jokerdino> how sure are you that you are using unity - 3d?
[10:29] <RedBunny> i have a 1.5 tb hd from my win install that holds movies & music ,... how do i change the permissions to be able to back up to there ,...?
[10:34] <jokerdino> no idea RedBunny..
[10:34] <Onlyodin> Well, unless selecting "Ubuntu" instead of "Ubuntu 2D" isn't sufficiently accurate, then I suppose I cant be sure.
[10:35] <RedBunny> aye
[10:37] <jokerdino> Onlyodin: echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
[10:40] <Onlyodin> $ echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
[10:40] <Onlyodin> ubuntu
[10:40] <jokerdino> 3d then
[10:44] <jokerdino> I am leaving for dinner now.
[10:57] <brendand> Onlyodin, /etc/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[11:28] <Onlyodin> $ /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[11:28] <Onlyodin> Unity 3D supported:       yes
[11:28] <Onlyodin> (yes to everything else too)
[11:31] <jokerdino> Onlyodin: so what issue do you have now?
[11:33] <Onlyodin> I've gone into ccsm and adjusted the unity settings so they're closer to what they used to be.
[11:34] <Onlyodin> I'll live with it until updates come through, thanks all
[11:34] <jokerdino> Happy to see a happy user.
[12:07] <tegra> hi
[12:08] <bazhang> hi
[12:09] <bastidrazor> hello
[12:09] <tegra> can i update an ubuntu 11.10 in precise ?
[12:09] <bazhang> sure
[12:09] <bazhang> !upgrade | tegra
[12:09] <tegra> thanks
[12:11] <bastidrazor> sweet.. more updates today
[12:19] <MCR> latest update broke smtube here (youtube browser used by smplayer and umplayer) :P
[12:22] <tegra> there isn't a guide for 11.10 to 12.04 ?
[12:23] <Pici> A guide?
[12:23] <Onlyodin> err
[12:23] <tegra> yes
[12:23] <Onlyodin> update-manager -d ?
[12:23] <Pici> There should be some information in the release notes in the topic as well.
[12:24] <Whinis> My unity lens home,app,files and music are empty but video lens is showing online videos ( but none on my computer) anyone have an idea ?
[12:25] <aguitel> how install cinnamon in 12.04 ?
[12:27] <tegra> Open the terminal and run the following commands
[12:27] <tegra> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gwendal-lebihan-dev/cinnamon-stable
[12:27] <tegra> sudo apt-get update
[12:27] <tegra> sudo apt-get install cinnamon
[12:29] <Whinis> Any ideas for debugging my problem atleast ?
[12:51] <aguitel> tegra, do install it ?
[12:54] <aguitel> tegra, it say :E: Unable to locate package cinnamon
[12:56] <tegra> Cinnamon for Precise has been removed from the PPA
[12:57] <tegra> aguitel, sorry
[12:57] <aguitel> anyway to install it ?
[13:01] <ironm> Hello. I hope I can report here some ubuntu 12.04 beta issues (or wishes). When I install precise 12.04 beta (all versions including the today's daily one) on HP DL 385g7 servers with additional NX network card there is an error message: "Missing Firmware Files phanfw.bin and nx3fwct.bin". There is no such message when installing ubuntu 11.10.
[13:01] <tsimpson> ironm: you should report a bug on Launchpad about it (or look if there already is one)
[13:01] <tsimpson> !bug
[13:02] <ironm> thank you in advance for any info if this file will be included in 12.04
[13:02] <philinux> ironm: Wishes are out as it's frozen now. Only bug fixes now
[13:02] <ironm> thanks a lot tsimpson
[13:02] <tsimpson> missing files and error messages should probably be fixed before release though ;)
[13:02] <philinux> Correct
[13:02] <ironm> philinux, is such issue a bug for you?
[13:03] <ironm> thank you both of you :)
[13:03] <philinux> ironm: No but I'm running a desktop and a laptop with normal gui desktop
[13:03] <ironm> philinux, It is important for the server
[13:04] <philinux> ironm: open a terminal and run ubuntu-bug linux and report it
[13:04] <philinux> not sure how to do that from a server never run one
[13:04] <ironm> I guess no one runs an HP DL385g7 with two opterons as desktop ;)
[13:04] <Xunil> Hi everyone, I got the following problem when updating/installing (I hope 3 lines are ok:)
[13:04] <Xunil> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[13:04] <Xunil> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/at.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise-updates_restricted_binary-i386_Packages
[13:04] <Xunil> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[13:05] <Daekdroom> Oh. 246 updates.
[13:05] <tsimpson> Xunil: I would suggest that you try removing that file via "sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/at.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise-updates_restricted_binary-i386_Packages", then run "sudo apt-get update", see if that works
[13:05] <Daekdroom> I love Unfreezes.
[13:08] <Xunil> thanks, has helped, I guess
[13:08] <Xunil> you know what the problem cause could be?
[13:09] <jpds> Xunil: Corrupted file download.
[13:11] <Xunil> ok
[13:12] <ironm> philinux, it looks like I need a launchpad account to be able to report a new bug. I have already tons of different accounts and continue in such way to get more is not a good idea ....
[13:14] <philinux> ironm:  similar bug > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/880541
[13:15] <ironm> philinux, the servers have only 1GBit network cards with NX chip set
[13:16] <ironm> ubunte oneiric doesn't have this issue
[13:16] <philinux> ironm: You could asked the question in the forums? http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=412
[13:16] <ironm> I am speaking about ubuntu-server
[13:16] <philinux> ironm: I'd stick with 11.10 then for now
[13:17] <ironm> philinux, yes .. however I wanted to help a bit with testing of 12.04
[13:18] <ironm> it doesn't make sense for me to ask such questions in a forum .. it is simply an issue for the new release 12.04 ...
[13:19] <philinux> ironm: There are plenty of peeps to help in that forum and the QA people turn up too
[13:19] <philinux> Still 3 and a bit weeks to go
[13:20] <ironm> thank you very much philinux  .. I don't need any help. I want to help ubuntu ;)
[13:20] <philinux> ironm: But the people in that forum are all testing 12.04
[13:21] <ironm> philinux, to post in a forum I need also a new account I guess ...
[13:21] <philinux> Ah well yes
[13:21] <MCR> Someone here using smplayer ?
[13:22] <MCR> or dragonplayer ?
[13:22] <Pici> The best thing to do is to post a bug report, those will get seen by developers, the forums and irc are hit or miss.
[13:22] <ironm> Pici, what email address could I use to post a bug?
[13:22] <MCR> or umplayer ?
[13:23] <philinux> ironm: I used my hotmail account to sign up
[13:23] <philinux> ironm: I also have same username here, launchpad and the forums
[13:24] <tegra> what kernel use 12.04 ?
[13:24] <ironm> philinux, it should be possible to post a bug without signing. It is difficult to manage all these accounts for every software ...
[13:25] <ironm> tegra, 3.2.0-20-generic
[13:25] <ironm> tegra, #33-ubuntu
[13:25] <Pici> !info linux
[13:26] <ironm> Pici, I checked it just with the today's daily version of precise
[13:26] <psypher246> hello all. for a while now I have been experiencing a multitude of issues when using the compiz spread feature and just wondering  if I must wait to log those bugs till the new work being done on spread is realesed or should I log those bugs now
[13:26] <Pici> ironm: yep
[13:26] <philinux> ironm: When you use ubuntu-bug linux it collects all the hardware info for the devs from your specifi machine. Sorry but you have to create a user ID
[13:28] <philinux> ironm: Not sure how you would do that from a server anywho as it needs a browser to get to launchpad
[13:29] <MCR> Sometimes I ask myself why I am doing all those updates, when each time something new breaks :P
[13:29] <MCR> This time smtube :'(
[13:29] <ironm> philinux, I just try to run ubuntu-bug (on the server without internet connectivity). I hope to save it as text file or like that
[13:30] <MCR> I guess it is the new libwebkit, but how can I connect the smtube maintainers ?
[13:31] <philinux> ironm: from man page apport-cli  or even use the --save option
[13:33] <ironm> philinux, I have ust startet ubuntu-bug ...*but* it requires a package name and there is no choice for such "special" install issue like missing firmware files
[13:34] <philinux> ironm: E.G. apport-bug linux --save ~/Desktop/linux.bug
[13:38] <ironm> philinux, really thank you very much for all your hints.
[13:38] <philinux> ironm: No worries. Good luck with it
[13:40] <ironm> philinux, can I sent this bug description to bugs@ubuntu.com or like that?
[13:41] <tsimpson> ironm: no, we only use Launchpad for bug tracking
[13:42] <ironm> thank you tsimpson
[13:43] <tsimpson> you only need to sign up to LP once, and it allows you to track the progress of the bug and for developers to ask questions
[13:43] <ironm> yes .. just a new account
[14:20] <kri5_> Hi there
[14:21] <kri5_> I'm currently trying to install 12.04 through pxe with kickstart
[14:21] <kri5_> But installation hangs out on installing the linux-generic package
[14:21] <kri5_> the error is the following
[14:21] <kri5_> "An error was returned while trying to install the kernel into the target system"
[14:22] <kri5_> "Kernel package : 'linux-generic'."
[14:22] <kri5_> Any ideas?
[14:25] <MCR> My current summary on Precise Pixel Perfect:
[14:26] <MCR> 1) Compiz unusable here: mad flickering all the time, so I am forced to use Unity2d
[14:27] <MCR> 2) The HUD feature always crashes on me (Unity2d) and I am already trying to avoid tapping ALT
[14:27] <MCR> 3) Docky always closes randomly and I have to reopen it all the time
[14:28] <MCR> 4) smtube the smplayer's youtube browser segfaults
[14:28] <glosoli> MCR: have you reported bugs ?
[14:28] <MCR> 5) google earth was a pain to install and it does not show pictures correctly
[14:29] <MCR> glosoli: sure, but many of the problems observed are not Ubuntu maintained packages
[14:30] <MCR> glosoli: but it is kind of hard to use a system without applications
[14:31] <MCR> 6) chromium browser sometimes needs to be opened twice to start
[14:31] <MCR> 7) no way to get Emerald to work and no support ot get it working
[14:32] <MCR> *to
[14:32] <glosoli> well try Google Chrome not Chromium just in case
[14:33] <glosoli> Google Earth depends on wine
[14:33] <MCR> 8) minitube does not play all videos
[14:33] <glosoli> and Emerald  - I don't pay too much attention to smth that old
[14:33] <MCR> glosoli: what are you talking about ?
[14:33] <MCR> glosoli: "Google Earth depends on wine" == bullsh*t
[14:34] <glosoli> MCR: it doesn't ?
[14:34] <MCR> glosoli: Chrome is not open source
[14:34] <MCR> glosoli: ofc not
[14:34] <glosoli> So what ?
[14:34] <glosoli> it's not open source but it works
[14:34] <MCR> glosoli: but it depends on ia32-libs
[14:34] <frybye> Hi - I have 12.04 b2 with sb x-fi xtreme audio and for some reason the sub-woofer is not working - any tips -
[14:34] <Riviera> google earth runs in chrome?
[14:35] <frybye> I already got hold of gnome-alsa-mixer but made no progress with it...
[14:35] <MCR> 9) No way to enable the internal speaker in my machine when I have line-out attached also
[14:35] <MCR> 10) I do not want to be forced to pull the cable to change a setting
[14:36] <frybye> brb
[14:37] <glosoli> MCR: let me check again why can't you try Google Chrome ?
[14:37] <bobweaver> Hello thre any one know why qemu launcher is not working with 12.04 ?
[14:39] <MCR> glosoli: why should I want to ? I am just reporting that Chromium needs to be started twice on Precise sometimes...
[14:39] <E3D3> Have Beta a troubleshoot webpage ?
[14:39] <glosoli> MCR: are you sure it's twice, or it just takes too long  ?
[14:40] <MCR> glosoli: it is getting pointless ;)
[14:40] <bobweaver> MCR,  what happenes when you open in terminal verbosely ?
[14:42] <slipttees> hi
[14:42] <MCR> bobweaver: that is an idea worth pursuing, I will try next time to see the console output... (this is just a minor issue)
[14:42] <slipttees> where change keybord layout in precise
[14:42] <slipttees> i have IBM keyboard T60
[14:43] <ironm> me again. In the meantime I have signed is and just now on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs looking around how to report an issue for ubuntu server (precise 12.04).
[14:43] <ironm> thank you in advance for a short hint (where to find the right link)
[14:44] <slipttees> where select ThinkPad layout in precise/
[14:44] <slipttees> ?
[14:47] <E3D3> Boot gives an error: argument not found. How can I solve this
[14:53] <ironm> hello again. anyone here familiar with launchpad. I am on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=precise
[14:53] <slipttees> i need configure my keyboard layout to thinkpad t60.
[14:54] <slipttees> how can help?
[14:54] <ironm> and I would like to open a new issue. What I am missing is the link
[14:55] <ironm> thank you in advance for any hints ;)
[14:56] <slipttees> dead channel ironm ?
[14:56] <astraljava> Guys, beta-2 images are fresh outta oven. Give the devs a little break for all their hard work. :)
[14:56] <bobweaver> Ok I have a major problem  qemu  will not launch in 12.04
[14:57] <bobweaver> qemulauncher is not working neither is it from the command line
[14:57] <ironm> slipttees, my brain seems to be dead as I don't find the right link (maybe I need some glasses ;)
[14:58] <astraljava> bobweaver: Launch it in terminal, file a bug and include the output.
[14:58] <MCR> astraljava: I want to apologize for my 10 points officially :)
[14:58] <astraljava> MCR: No no, that's not what I meant. :)
[14:58] <astraljava> Just nagging about people not responding in a matter of minutes after all that effort... not cool. :)
[14:59] <bobweaver> astraljava,  I am on it thanks !
[15:00] <astraljava> ironm: For me, the 'Report a bug' link is there on your right hand upper corner.
[15:00] <slipttees> i need configure my keyboard layout to thinkpad t60.
[15:00] <slipttees> how can help?
[15:00] <astraljava> ironm: A little down from your login info.
[15:00] <astraljava> !patience | slipttees
[15:01] <ironm> astraljava, it is only a long help page without the right link
[15:02] <astraljava> ironm: Not like this? http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/bugpage.png
[15:02] <ironm> astraljava, I would like simply an issue for ubuntu server 12.04 beta *but* can't find the entry point
[15:02] <astraljava> ironm: What's the problem specifically? It's likely you won't want to file the bug against the whole image, but rather a package in it.
[15:02] <ironm> astraljava, yes .. I am already there ..
[15:03] <astraljava> ironm: Well, you can see, in the upper right corner, a little down from my name and nick 'Janne Jokitalo (astraljava)' and the log out button, there's the link for 'Report a bug'.
[15:04] <astraljava> ironm: Does it not look the same for you?
[15:04] <ironm> it is an install issue astraljava  .. "Missing Firmware Files phanfw.bin and nx3fwct.bin" when installing 12.04 on HP DL 385g7 with an additional network card (NX chip set)
[15:04] <astraljava> ironm: Ok, then the bug should be filed against some linux firmware package.
[15:04] <ironm> astraljava, I see it .. but where can I start a new bug ?
[15:04] <astraljava> ironm: Let me find the correct package, hold on.
[15:04] <ironm> thanks a lot astraljava :)
[15:05] <astraljava> ironm: Go here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+filebug
[15:06] <ironm> thanks a lot astraljava
[15:06] <astraljava> No worries, thanks for helping improve Ubuntu. :)
[15:07] <ironm> astraljava, may I ask where have you found this link? (on this page ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=precise)
[15:08] <astraljava> ironm: No, I went to the LP front page, searched for linux firmware, and chose the source package from the hits.
[15:10] <ironm> OK .. thanks again. it would be helpful if there would be a link like "file new bug"
[15:11] <astraljava> ironm: Well, the link is there, but you have to do a little research before you can find it. Which makes sense, because just blindly filing bugs against wrong packages etc. makes the triagers' work much harder.
[15:11] <rmrfslash> can someone paste their apt/sources.list file, I just deleted mine accidentally
[15:11] <astraljava> ironm: If you are interested in bug work, I suggest you join the #ubuntu-bugs channel, and ask for guidance there.
[15:14] <roasted> Hello! I noticed in 12.04 on this particular laptop, if I hold the super key, I never get the shortcut menu. Also, if I hit SUPER + A (to open the applications lens by default) it does nothing. Has anybody seen any weirdness like this?
[15:14] <ironm> astraljava, I have just opened an issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/969304
[15:15] <astraljava> rmrfslash: http://paste.ubuntu.com/907346/, please ignore the spotify repository in the end if you don't intend to use it.
[15:15] <ironm> astraljava, I hope there is enough info inside ...
[15:15] <astraljava> ironm: That's good, thanks. The triagers will ask for additional info if that is required in order to fix the problem.
[15:16] <MCR> oh, a libwebkitgtk upgrade :) <- maybe this fixes smtube - we'll see
[15:16] <ironm> great .. thank you very much for your kindly support and patience astraljava
[15:16] <E3D3> ?
[15:16] <astraljava> ironm: Oh, no problem. We're all in this together. :)
[15:17] <rmrfslash> astraljava: thanks
[15:17] <astraljava> rmrfslash: You're welcome.
[15:18] <glosoli> is there any way to restart Unity Panel without logout or reboot ?
[15:18] <astraljava> MCR: What was it about UFO:AI that you spoke about the other day?
[15:18] <rmrfslash> astraljava: Do you know how I can correct these warnings http://pastebin.com/1VB4fNS9  (I've run apt-get update a number of times, I still get these warnings)
[15:18] <ironm> are there some plans to include MariaDB packages for ubuntu server Precise 12.04 ?
[15:19] <ironm> in the tasksel menu there is only postgresql
[15:19] <jsebean> Hey folks, I have ubuntu 12.04 beta 2 installed (64bit). I am trying to get OpenJDK running. I can't find OpenJDK in my software centre so I tried the command sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre and it installed, however, when i try to run minecraft openjdk doesnt appear int he open with
[15:19] <MCR> astraljava: we branched 2.4 and are in the test-phase for the release: www.ufoai.org/news
[15:19] <astraljava> MCR: Oh, right. Okay, I'll do some test-playing over the weekend, then. Thanks!
[15:20] <MCR> astraljava: You're welcome.
[15:20] <astraljava> rmrfslash: It's likely that some duplicate files are left in /var/lib/apt/lists/ directory.
[15:20] <astraljava> rmrfslash: It should be safe to delete them all, and then run `sudo apt-get update` again.
[15:21] <anadon> Hey, dd is putting out corrupted data when copying .iso's to USB devices
[15:21] <jsebean> I can run it by using command java -Xmx1024M -Xms32M -Xincgc -jar '/home/jbean/minecraft.jar'  but how to I get java to show up in openwith so I can set it as default?
[15:21] <jsebean> OpenJDK that is.
[15:22] <anadon> O-minecraft has a bug right now that they have to fix.  This isn't a Ubuntu issue.
[15:22] <anadon> I have the same problem.
[15:22] <jsebean> anadon: you talking to me?
[15:22] <jsebean> anadon: or someone else?
[15:22] <anadon> jsbean: yes
[15:23] <jsebean> anadon: this isnt a minecraft issue
[15:23] <anadon> O, sorry...
[15:23] <jsebean> anadon: it's an openjdk issue
[15:23] <anadon> jsbean: openJDK is masked I think by icedtea web start.
[15:24] <jsebean> OpenJDK isn;t listed in the software centre nor will it show up in open with for when I try to open .jar files (such as minecraft)
[15:24] <anadon> jsbean: I have the same thing, but I just created a minecraft launcher and use that.
[15:24] <anadon> nautilus should have a setting to modify that menue.  Did you try poking around in there?
[15:24] <jsebean> I don't know if it's because I'm using 64bit now or if it's something else, since this is my first time using 64bit ubuntu, 12.04 beta
[15:25] <anadon> na, it's the distro.  It's a small bug.
[15:25] <jsebean> anadon: jsebean not jsbean im not getting beep
[15:25] <anadon> sorry...
[15:25] <jsebean> anadon: it's a bug in the beta?
[15:25] <jsebean> anadon: of ubuntu 12.04 so will be fixed in final release?
[15:25] <anadon> technically.
[15:25] <anadon> Should be, but it needs to be reported..
[15:26] <astraljava> jsebean: Do not assume it'll be fixed without filing a bug about it.
[15:26] <jsebean> astraljava: where do I report it?
[15:26] <anadon> launchpad
[15:26] <anadon> jsebean: launchpad
[15:26] <astraljava> jsebean: Ubuntu uses https://launchpad.net for bug management.
[15:26] <genii-around> jsebean: Does update-alternatives --list java       show proper java version?
[15:27] <rmrfslash> astraljava: I completely moved that directory to lists.old, ran apt-get update and received the same warnings... hrmmmm
[15:27] <anadon> genii-around: no, it doesn't appear in that either.  I have the same issue, but have been ignoring it.
[15:27] <jsebean> genii-around: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java
[15:28] <genii-around> jsebean: Yeah, that looks fine
[15:28] <jsebean> genii-around: then must be a bug ill go report
[15:28] <astraljava> rmrfslash: Is it possible you made a mistake in copying the /etc/apt/sources.list from the pastebin? Please pastebin it again (you can install pastebinit package to ease the process if you like, then just run `pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list` and link to it here.
[15:28] <astraljava> Ehh... closing bracket missing... whatever. I've had some sparkling. :)
[15:29] <anadon> anyways, can someone help me with figuing out why dd is giving corrupted output?
[15:29] <astraljava> anadon: What gives you reason to believe it does?
[15:29] <rmrfslash> astraljava: http://paste.ubuntu.com/907384/
[15:30] <anadon> astraljava: because I've tested it with several images on 4 different devices, and they're all corrupt despite multiple and re-downloaded .ios's
[15:30] <astraljava> rmrfslash: Ok, I'm stumped. Maybe someone else knows, sorry I can't help with you further.
[15:31] <astraljava> anadon: And have you md5sum'ed the .iso's?
[15:32] <anadon> torrented, so transmission checked a few, I haven't done the others.
[15:33] <anadon> astraljava: torrented, so transmission checked a few, I haven't done the others.
[15:33] <astraljava> anadon: Ok, I wouldn't know whether there could be problems with the P2P network software. I suggest you file a bug about it, and help triaging the issue.
[15:33] <ironm> are there some plans to include MariaDB packages for ubuntu server Precise 12.04 ? .. deb http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/pub/mariadb/repo/5.3/ubuntu oneiric main
[15:35] <astraljava> anadon: Wait, what is the procedure that you're using?
[15:35] <astraljava> anadon: I mean, trying to utilize the images.
[15:35] <rmrfslash> astraljava: well, I don't know if this makes sense but, I removed a file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/oneiric-partner.list which contained the single line "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu precise partner #Added by software-center" which also happens to be in /etc/apt/sources.list. Ran a apt-get update and the warnings are no longer present.
[15:36] <bobweaver> I am also haveint troubles with ubuntu software center this is what I get when I launch it http://imagebin.org/206009
[15:36] <bobweaver> having *
[15:36] <rmrfslash> astraljava: and by "I don't know if this makes sense" I mean, I hope this doesn't break anything
[15:36] <astraljava> rmrfslash: Of course, that was for oneiric. You can't really have two releases at the same time. :)
[15:36] <rmrfslash> astraljava: yes,but the contents of that file referred to a "precise" repository
[15:37] <rmrfslash> astraljava: which I found odd
[15:37] <astraljava> rmrfslash: Right, ok. But it still explains the duplicate warning.
[15:38] <astraljava> rmrfslash: I don't know anything about Software Center, so can't explain why it was there.
[15:38] <rmrfslash> astraljava: I suppose I'm not really sure why there are these little files and a sources.list
[15:38] <astraljava> rmrfslash: It's in constant stage of progress, so I'm not sure either.
[15:39] <rmrfslash> astraljava: yeah, it seems to me that the contents of these files can be thought of as an extension of sources.list
[15:40] <roasted> Anybody using Unity in 12.04? Does your Super + A key combo work?
[15:42] <astraljava> rmrfslash: Yeah, they help in unison with /etc/apt/sources.list, but I'm not sure which tool uses which file.
[15:42] <ratcheer> roasted: What is it supposed to do?
[15:42] <roasted> ratcheer: you know when you open the dash and select the applications lens at the bottom? Super A defaults to that lens.
[15:42] <rmrfslash> roasted: if I hold down the super key I just get the launcher with each icon enumerted, if I press super+a or super+shift+a I get nothing special... just recognizes that I'm holding down the super key
[15:43] <ratcheer> roasted: Ok, I'll try it and let you know.
[15:43] <roasted> rmrfslash: so weird. yesterday it worked great, today, no dice.
[15:43] <rmrfslash> roasted: what's it supposed to do?
[15:43] <roasted> rmrfslash: ratcheer: do you guys get a shortcut menu if you hold down the super key for a few seconds?
[15:43] <ratcheer> roasted: Yes, it works.
[15:43] <rmrfslash> oh, I don't get any shortcut menu
[15:43] <roasted> ratcheer: what does, shortcut menu or super A?
[15:44] <ratcheer> roasted: Super A. You asked the other question while I was doing that.
[15:44] <roasted> ratcheer: drat. wonder why mine doesn't work.
[15:44] <roasted> ratcheer: my desktop and laptop do but this netbook doe snot
[15:44] <roasted> does not
[15:44] <ratcheer> Yes, I get keyboard shortcuts if I hold Super
[15:45] <roasted> gahhhh
[15:45] <roasted> where did mine gooo :(
[15:45] <ratcheer> That is cool, where did you learn this stuff?
[15:46] <roasted> I hated the fact that my unity dash doesn't default to apps. I mean, I don't care about recent items. I want my apps. I asked on askubuntu.com and someone told me super A would do that.
[15:46] <roasted> I remembered there was a shortcut menu and go figure the shortcut menu told me right there about super A. I just didn't look ahead of time.
[15:46] <roasted> problem is, I somehow lost them on this laptop. :(
[15:47] <roasted> I did a full update + upgrade, rebooted, no dice
[15:59] <rmrfslash> roasted: I described what I get... when I hold down super my launcher is revealed and each icon has a little number over it 1-N, the workspaces icon has a "s" and trash has a "t"
[16:00] <rmrfslash> roasted: I'm not really sure what is the utility of that feature... but that's what I get
[16:03] <itaylor57> if i hold down the super key i get keyboard shutcuts screen
[16:04] <itaylor57> shortcuts
[16:06] <itaylor57> sorry wastn't watch closely, super + a for applications
[16:16] <MarcoGuest> I'd just tested the latest 12.04 beta and saw that maximized apps no longer hide the dash. Is there a way to re-enable the old behaviour for maximized apps to hide the dash?
[16:17] <itaylor57> MarcoGuest, look in System -> apperance
[16:17] <itaylor57> behaviour
[16:17] <itaylor57> system settings _> apperance
[16:18] <chmac> There was a setting in ccsm where moving my mouse onto a new window would cause it to become active. I just ran some upgrade, now I can't find it...
[16:18] <MarcoGuest> itaylor57: There's the autohide option. But (at least in unit2d) it simply automatically hides the dash, the behaviour is not the same that was in 11.10
[16:18] <itaylor57> i am running 3d not sure what 2d has
[16:19] <trism> MarcoGuest: the dodge behavior was removed, it either autohides now or is there always
[16:19] <MarcoGuest> itaylor57: Does the autohide option re-enables the old behaviour for maximized apps?
[16:20] <itaylor57> MarcoGuest, what trism said
[16:20] <MarcoGuest> trism: hmmm... I'd love to have the option to only hide if there is a maximized app
[16:20] <MarcoGuest> than maximize would be the same as fullscreen
[16:20] <MarcoGuest> *then
[16:23] <trism> MarcoGuest: bug 930148
[16:23] <MarcoGuest> trism: Thanks!
[16:37] <MCR> seems a new version of Compiz is comin'...
[16:38] <philinux> MCR: linky ?
[16:38] <MCR> upgrade, but just compiz is ready yet
[16:39] <philinux> MCR: Coming down the wire now
[16:55] <jeremydei> anyone here tried using ruby1.9 in precise?
[16:55] <jeremydei> for me the packages are all broken (deps)
[16:59] <bazhang> jeremydei, filed bugs yet?
[16:59] <trism> jeremydei: did you try ruby1.9.3? just ruby1.9 tries to select a bunch of packages by regex
[16:59] <jeremydei> ahh
[16:59] <jeremydei> lemme try the real thing then
[16:59] <jeremydei> no bugs filed yet no, but i did search for bugs
[17:01] <triscuit> I noticed python 2.7 was listening on like 8 ports today, that was part of a 12.04 update
[17:01] <triscuit> right?
[17:04] <dash> hey. so i'm using precise and it seems like the menus in all my gtk3 apps are busted
[17:05] <dash> in rhythmbox for example, if I click on a menu title the menu either doesn't appear or tries to draw itself as a 3 pixel high thing in the top left corner of my screen
[17:06] <dash> and i'll occasionally get stuff like:
[17:06] <dash> (rhythmbox:4674): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_width_for_height: assertion `height >= 0' failed
[17:07] <dash> i don't have appmenu-gtk3 installed, $UBUNTU_MENUPROXY is not set
[17:07] <dash> anybody else seen this?
[17:11] <roasted> hello!
[17:13] <sddhrthrt> dash: yes!
[17:13] <sddhrthrt> dash: happened. but didn't investigated!
[17:13] <sddhrthrt> *investigate
[17:14] <dash> sddhrthrt: now we just need to find someone who knows why it happens :)
[17:14] <roasted> :(
[17:14] <tegra> i want precise with kernel 3.2.13
[17:15] <tegra> i need to compile only ?
[17:15] <sddhrthrt> dash: haha. no, i left ubuntu 12.04 long ago. had upgraded from 10.04, ruined the whole setup!
[17:19] <trism> tegra: 3.2.0-21.34 is 3.2.13
[17:19] <trism> tegra: plus ubuntu patches of course
[17:19] <dash> sddhrthrt: so what do you use now? 12.10? :)
[17:19] <sddhrthrt> no, LTS! 10.04
[17:19] <tegra> oh ok thanks trism
[17:23] <jeremydei> trism, sweet, thanks for the tip on ruby1.9.3 works great.  the ruby1.9 regex thing was really weird, there's so much output that i didn't realize it was just a regex..
[17:24] <maxb> "resolvconf is now used to manage /etc/resolv.conf on all Ubuntu systems. For systems using Network Manager DNS resolution is now done through dnsmasq, which should help split-DNS VPNs and faster DNS resolution." --- *blink*   Wow. That's major, but rather nice.
[17:25] <jeremydei> trism, do you happen to know anything about the rubygems? appears it's still 1.8 related, would i need to install from source instead of a package? (sometimes i try to get by with the system's rubygems)
[17:27] <oconnore> after the update yesterday, lightdm flashes on and off forever
[17:27] <jeremydei> gah, nevermind it's included in the ruby1.9.3 package i think
[17:28] <oconnore> lightdm starts up, and works fine until I click my mouse or press a key on the keyboard
[17:29] <roasted> hello friends!
[17:35] <trism> oconnore: might be bug 967343 , I was getting that yesterday
[17:35] <ironm> hello. does anyone know if the current ubuntu live image (precise) would boot from a USB stick on "old" PowerPC based MACmini? Thank you in advance for any hints.
[17:37] <trism> oconnore: as a workaround, if you can manage to stop lightdm from a tty, you could install lightdm-gtk-greeter and change unity-greeter to lightdm-gtk-greeter in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf until unity-greeter is fixed
[17:48] <roasted> Attention Unity Friends - Can you guys hold down the super key? What happens? Do you get a shortcut menu or does your bar come out with each item numbered?
[17:49] <glosoli> yes
[17:50] <glosoli> I get both
[17:50] <roasted> er, what?
[17:51] <roasted> I don't have a shortcut menu. I seemed to have lost a great deal of my shortcuts.
[17:51] <tegra> trism, i have 3.2.0-20 now
[17:51] <roasted> I had grown to really like super + A to bring up my applications lens by default too :(
[17:51] <glosoli> roasted: dunno i really get bothg
[17:51] <glosoli> both
[17:51] <roasted> glosoli: have you updated recently?
[17:51] <glosoli> yep
[17:51] <trism> tegra: -21 was uploaded about 20 hours ago, they probably haven't updated linux-meta yet
[17:51] <glosoli> all up to date
[17:51] <roasted> glosoli: todya?
[17:51] <glosoli> hour ago
[17:51] <roasted> glosoli: me too. :(
[17:51] <roasted> more like 4 hours ago
[17:51] <roasted> maybe I'll try again...
[17:52] <roasted> glosoli: what did you run specifically to update? I just want to make sure I'm mimicing what you did since you're having more success than I
[17:52] <roasted> sudo apt-get upgrade?
[17:52] <tegra> trism, how can i update ?
[17:52] <glosoli> roasted: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:52] <roasted> ah I didn't do dist-upgrade
[17:52] <roasted> let me try
[17:52] <roasted> appreciate it sir!
[17:52] <glosoli> but be warned
[17:53] <glosoli> dist-upgrade may try to remove some important stuff
[17:53] <glosoli> so watch out all the messages it says
[17:53] <tegra> i did apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:53] <tegra> but kernel not update.
[17:53] <trism> tegra: as I said, linux-meta doesn't seem to be updated yet, but the new kernel is in the repo if you just can't wait and want to install it now
[17:54] <roasted> glosoli: you on 3.2.0-20?
[17:54] <glosoli> roasted: yes
[17:54] <tegra> ok trism
[17:55] <trism> tegra: in fact, it was updated 2 hours ago, so give the repositories a bit of time, it should be there later today
[18:00] <mongo> is there a project to get ubuntu's app armor ported to the mainline kernel version?
[18:02] <bastidrazor> mongo: app armor does fail when using 3.3..
[18:03] <mongo> bastidrazor: yes, it appears the ubuntu patches revert back to an oder app armmor type
[18:08] <tegra> ok trism, i changed to US server.
[18:08] <mongo> I need to use a mainline as there is an alsa bug in 3.2.0 that was fixed in 3.2.2 but I don't want to lose aa
[18:09] <sorin_> ubuntu 12.04 its recomend to use?
[18:10] <genii-around> In three weeks, unless you feel adventurous
[18:10] <roasted> bummer
[18:10] <sorin_> finish next mounth?
[18:10] <roasted> updated, upgraded, dist-upgraded, still no super key shortcuts.
[18:10] <roasted> :(
[18:11] <trism> tegra: yeah should be there on the us server now, I see it on my desktop which just updated
[18:12] <trism> mongo: you can't really go by the ubuntu versions, 3.2.0-21 is 3.2.13 (you can see in the changelog when the rebase the kernel to the new releases)
[18:12] <tegra> there is a problem with knetattach
[18:13] <tegra> after kernel upgraded
[18:13] <rodd> Hi, how can I upgrade to 12.04 from 10.04?
[18:13] <rodd> the beta version
[18:13] <mongo> trism: 3.2.0-21 still has the 3.2.0 alsa bugs with sandy bridge laptops and multi channel audio
[18:14] <mongo> trism: i'm asking because I have been working with sid and it aa is fine, if there was a project to try and get off the aa special sauce I would see if anything i've done would be of use
[18:15] <mongo> but i'm not finding a link to anything on launchpad
[18:16] <trism> mongo: I'm just saying that if the bug was fixed upstream in 3.2.2, then that patch should be in the ubuntu kernels already, and if it still isn't working you should file a bug on launchpad about that
[18:16] <roasted> why does my super key hate me :(
[18:16] <tegra> for 3.2.13
[18:16] <tegra> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/givaro/3.2.13-1.2
[18:16] <tegra> i need to install it ?
[18:17] <mongo> trism: there are a dozen bugs about it all in new status, it is more productive to get ubuntu on mainstream kernel support of aa don't you think?
[18:18] <trism> mongo: do you know which patch fixed it upstream?
[18:19] <trism> mongo: I have no idea about the apparmor issue, I am just curious about the alsa bug
[18:19] <mongo> trism: I'll have to go look, it was in the commit notes though, it relates to multi channel audio, e.g. laptops like the HP with "beets audio"
[18:20] <mongo> err in the commit notes on 3.2.2
[18:20] <trism> mongo: alright I'll see if I can find it
[18:20] <tegra> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta
[18:20] <tegra> A newer version of linux-meta is available for packaging: Linux 3.2.13
[18:21] <mongo> trism: but like I said, people are working on it but I see a lot of value in allowing people to use aa on a mainline kernel
[18:22] <trism> mongo: I don't really disagree, I just don't know anything about it
[18:22] <mongo> trism: I have the feeling it is just because someone needs to go back and clean up a lot of little things, I'll send a note to the kernel team and offer I guess
[18:23] <roasted> bummer
[18:23] <roasted> seems as if the unity super shortcuts are only in 3d right now
[18:25] <tegra> why the kernel team is late ?
[18:27] <glosoli> is there any software used for context menu editing in ubuntu ?
[18:27] <glosoli> precise
[18:27] <glosoli> or anyone knows cmd way of doing that
[18:28] <bazhang> !find dconf
[18:30] <glosoli> bazhang: I know dconf, hmm so you say I can do it with dconf ?
[18:31] <roasted> well dang
[18:31] <roasted> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/834078
[18:31] <trism> tegra: I'm not sure what you are looking for, it will not be labeled 3.2.13, if you want to use the upstream version, use the mainline builds or build it yourself, otherwise from the changelog for 3.2.0-21:  * rebase to v3.2.13
[18:31] <roasted> looks like it's only hitting 2D systems, not 3D. I forgot I was using 2D on this laptops ince it was lower powered.
[18:32] <tegra> ok i believe you trism :)
[18:35] <glosoli> bazhang: hmm checked didin't find anything
[18:35] <roasted> any of you fellas running unity 2d?
[18:36] <scar3crow> roasted: or games, yes
[18:37] <roasted> or games?
[18:37] <scar3crow> *for
[18:37] <roasted> scar3crow: do you happen to be in 2d now?
[18:38] <scar3crow> roasted: yes: gnome classic
[18:38] <roasted> scar3crow: no, I meant Unity 2D in specific.
[18:38] <roasted> thanks anyway
[18:38] <scar3crow> ok
[18:39] <scar3crow> roasted: what's up?
[18:40] <oconnore> trism: well, I'm glad it's being figured out. It's somewhat odd that it's a 'medium' severity bug, considering that it basically prevents anyone who doesn't know how to boot into text mode from using their Ubuntu install ever again :)
[18:43] <scar3crow> lol
[18:44] <scar3crow> anybody here good at tailoring X for intel graphics
[18:44] <scar3crow> ??
[18:45] <bastidrazor> roasted: i use unity2d since 3d is mean to this old laptop
[18:45] <trism> oconnore: yeah the medium severity was automatically added by apport, a human with proper permissions might have a different interpretation
[18:45] <MCR> Just wanted to thank devs for finally fixing the flickering here. Compiz is fully functional again.
[18:45] <MCR> :)
[18:46] <maxb> I'm definitely liking the Unity launcher reveal configurability and other changes in Precise
[18:46] <maxb> Being able to reveal at the left hand edge of my right hand monitor is an interesting touch :-)
[18:48] <roasted> bastidrazor: can you hit super+a? or super+f?
[18:48] <roasted> bastidrazor: do those shortcuts work for you?
[18:52] <XData2384> hi
[18:54] <XData2384> can you help me ? I have upraded my kubuntu 12.04 today and now all my program menu fonts are ugly, is this a know problem ?
[18:58] <sddhrthrt> roasted: Yes, sometimes they dont work!
[18:59] <roasted> sddhrthrt: :(
[18:59] <sddhrthrt> roasted: try changing to another workspace and using the shortcuts.
[18:59] <sddhrthrt> they work, occasionally.
[18:59] <roasted> doesnt' look like they're flying at all
[19:00] <danpsy> After installing recent updates inside of 12.04, xorg isn't working anymore.  I imagine the problem ix xorg, because if I run "startx", "Fatal server error: no screens found" is returned.  I tried to reinstall xorg, but it still doesn't seem to work.  I think the next step should be removing proprietary nvidia driver, how could I do that?
[19:01] <Mart1n_> Hi, does ubuntu 12.04 will have 3d support enabled by default in nouveau drivers?
[19:03] <Mart1n_> I think the name of that technology is mesa 3d
[19:04] <EvilResistance> Mart1n_:  that's dependent on whether a linux driver has been released with that technology
[19:05] <Mart1n_> as I have red the technology exist, you can install manually
[19:05] <Mart1n_> there are comparisons of performance of nouveau with 3d vs nvidia propietary driver
[19:06] <Mart1n_> it's still much more slow
[19:06] <jussi> how do I see conversations in thunderbird?
[19:08] <scar3crow> hi
[19:08] <roasted> bastidrazor: ping
[19:14]  * yofel finds 3D performance with nouveau reasonable on his quadro nvs 3100m
[19:15] <yofel> still slower than the nvidia driver, but works
[19:18]  * scar3crow finds intel 82g33/g3i chipset very cpu intensive
[19:18] <scar3crow> I should be able to allocate vram without cpu load
[19:20] <scar3crow> cant run doom3 with ultra quality with 512 vram dedicated
[19:20] <scar3crow> @ 640X480
[19:20] <scar3crow> :(
[19:21] <roasted> is doom native?
[19:22] <scar3crow> define: "native"
[19:22] <ironhalik> it is
[19:22] <scar3crow> heh
[19:23] <ironhalik> id likes to support linux
[19:23] <ironhalik> and they use opengl, so its easier then other titles
[19:23] <scar3crow> mind you; I'm running 64bit
[19:31] <roasted> :)
[19:42] <yofel> aptitude became usable again \o/
[19:43] <astraljava> Whee! :)
[19:45] <bastidrazor> more updates!
[19:47] <FernandoMiguel> hi
[19:49] <scar3crow> doom3 running 75% @ 640X480 :)
[19:50]  * scar3crow goes to install quake4
[19:59] <ironhalik> iv nouveau wasnt such a performance hit, I would play doom too :)
[20:04] <scar3crow> quake4 does not load
[20:04] <scar3crow> :(
[20:07] <mkultra_> i need pizza
[20:10] <scar3crow> idRenderSystem::Shutdown()
[20:10] <scar3crow> Sys_Error: Texture compression unavailable <-- what does this mean?
[20:14] <ironhalik> scar3crow: I would guess drivers
[20:14] <scar3crow> yeah... I have the tarball...
[20:15] <scar3crow> but
[20:15] <scar3crow> waiting for you guys ;)
[20:29] <zuti> quick question. anyone have any idea how to fix fix lightdm not starting when using nvidia-current-updates?
[20:30] <zuti> i was using the nvidia installer, but uninstalled the drivers and got the 295.33 from the repositories. now lightdm never starts.
[20:30] <zuti> if i purge the nvidia drivers, it starts just fine, but as soon as i install them back... nothing
[20:31] <zuti> have to use ssh to start lightdm remotely
[20:31] <zuti> "text mode" doesn't work either
[20:37] <FernandoMiguel> WebGL: Unavailable. Hardware acceleration disabled.
[20:37] <FernandoMiguel> what can I do to get Chrome to support CPU HW ?
[20:39] <glosoli> FernandoMiguel: type chrome://flags
[20:39] <glosoli> in address bar
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> I know about that
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> :)
[20:40] <glosoli> do you enabled: "Override software rendering list
[20:40] <glosoli>  ?
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> do I need to force the Override??
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> sounds nasty
[20:40] <glosoli> yep :)
[20:40] <glosoli> but then you will loose
[20:40] <glosoli> youtube html5
[20:40] <glosoli> won't work properly
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> it already doesn't :)
[20:40] <glosoli> that's why I am switching to Firefox this night :)
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> nor do maps
[20:41] <glosoli> In Firefox webgl and everything else works out of the box for me :/
[20:41] <FernandoMiguel> youtube html5 is worse than flah
[20:41] <glosoli> worse than flash but for Chrome
[20:41] <glosoli> on Firefox it works fine for me
[20:41] <glosoli> :)
[20:41] <glosoli> even though I know it sounds stupid
[20:43] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Yeh the youtube html5 is flaky, and keeps using flash whenever there is a video with an ad
[20:43] <glosoli> penguin42: I am lucky to use good videos then, never got that problem with flash and ads :)
[20:43] <FernandoMiguel> glosoli: those flags didn't help
[20:44] <glosoli> FernandoMiguel: did you restart browser, and what card you have  ?
[20:44] <FernandoMiguel> ofc
[20:44] <FernandoMiguel> interl hd3000
[20:44] <glosoli> VGA i mean
[20:44] <glosoli> ah
[20:44] <glosoli> that might be the problem :)
[20:44] <glosoli> I am not sue if Intel HD3000 has WebGL support
[20:44] <glosoli> in Chrome
[20:44] <glosoli> even in Firefox
[20:45] <FernandoMiguel> buuuu
[20:45] <glosoli> After getting problems I went straight to #chromium-support, first thing they did asked me if I had some low level old card
[20:45] <glosoli> :)
[20:46] <FernandoMiguel> 2D graphics backend	Skia
[20:46] <glosoli> FernandoMiguel: you might want to give a shot for Firefox :)
[20:46] <FernandoMiguel> Driver vendor	Mesa
[20:46] <FernandoMiguel> Driver version	8.0.2
[20:46] <glosoli> just in case :)
[20:46] <FernandoMiguel> GL_VENDOR	Tungsten Graphics, Inc
[20:46] <FernandoMiguel> GL_RENDERER	Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Mobile
[20:46] <FernandoMiguel> GL_VERSION	3.0 Mesa 8.0.2
[20:47] <FernandoMiguel> from firefox aurora GPU Accelerated Windows 0
[20:47] <glosoli> FernandoMiguel: I might be wrong, just in case, try Firefox do you get the same prob ?
[20:47] <FernandoMiguel> I guess no!
[20:47] <glosoli> hmm
[20:47] <FernandoMiguel> WOW 74.75 MB (100.0%)
[20:47] <FernandoMiguel> that NO memory usage
[20:48] <glosoli> hmm what do you mean NO memory usage ? :D
[20:48] <FernandoMiguel> have you ever seen FF use that little?
[20:48] <glosoli> yep
[20:48] <glosoli> since FF10
[20:48] <glosoli> or smth :)
[20:48] <FernandoMiguel> Chrome 955,196k 476,464k
[20:48] <glosoli> yeeep. that's why I will be switching :)
[20:49] <glosoli> even though I got 6GB Ram, Chrome gets chunky on memory from time to time
[20:49] <glosoli> :)
[20:49] <FernandoMiguel> https://plus.google.com/u/0/109625435637812424164/posts/JmvfS8YoVu6
[20:50] <itaylor57> why not Chromium?
[20:50] <glosoli> why to use something that is used like a thing before releasing everything ?
[20:50] <KM0201> upgrades upgrades upgrades.. :)
[20:50] <glosoli> they do test on Chromium then release it to Chrome, don't they ?
[20:51] <FernandoMiguel> itaylor57: no longer supported/maintained since FTA left
[20:51] <KM0201> FTA?
[20:51] <FernandoMiguel> KM0201: the ubuntu-mozillateam person that maintained it , and had all those PPAs for chromium, thunderbird and FF
[20:52] <yofel> fta left? when?
[20:52] <KM0201> oh ok
[20:52] <FernandoMiguel> he was the person with more karma on Launchpad till they changed how it was calculated
[20:52] <FernandoMiguel> yofel: many months ago
[20:52] <FernandoMiguel> I can talk to you in private, if you want. he asked to keep it private
[20:52] <glosoli> well but in fact Chromium is maintained
[20:52] <KM0201> FernandoMiguel: so your contention is since he left, chromium is problematic?
[20:52] <yofel> shows how long I haven't been in -mozillateam I guess... sad
[20:52] <glosoli> Chromium is still here :)
[20:52] <FernandoMiguel> yofel: indeed
[20:53] <glosoli> I just don't like it
[20:53] <glosoli> :D
[20:53] <FernandoMiguel> !chrome
[20:53] <FernandoMiguel> !chromium
[20:53] <glosoli> there is chromium 17 in official repod
[20:53] <glosoli> repos"
[20:53]  * KM0201 <3's chromium
[20:53]  * glosoli loves and hates 
[20:53] <glosoli> no WebGL support if you want HTML5 videos for me :/
[20:53] <glosoli> Firefox meanwhile gives me everything
[20:53] <FernandoMiguel> google-chrome-stable:
[20:53] <FernandoMiguel>   Candidate: 18.0.1025.142-r129054
[20:53] <FernandoMiguel> google-chrome-unstable:
[20:53] <FernandoMiguel>   Installed: 19.0.1084.1-r129459
[20:53] <FernandoMiguel> chromium-browser:
[20:53] <FernandoMiguel>   Candidate: 17.0.963.83~r127885-0ubuntu1
[20:53] <FernandoMiguel>  
[20:54] <glosoli> aaaa
[20:54] <glosoli> outdated then really
[20:54] <glosoli> sorry FernandoMiguel
[20:54] <glosoli> my mistake :)
[20:54] <yofel> outdated? how fast do they burn their version numbers?
[20:54] <yofel> oneiric shipped with 14
[20:54] <FernandoMiguel> ahaha
[20:54] <glosoli> every month
[20:54] <FernandoMiguel> every six weeks
[20:54] <glosoli> a release
[20:54] <glosoli> same does Firefox now
[20:54] <glosoli> :)
[20:54] <yofel> lol
[20:54] <FernandoMiguel> firefox:
[20:54] <FernandoMiguel>   Installed: 13.0~a2~hg20120329r90613-0ubuntu1~umd1
[20:55] <glosoli> FernandoMiguel: alpha ?
[20:55] <yofel> FernandoMiguel: where's that from?
[20:55] <FernandoMiguel>      11.0+build1-0ubuntu1 0
[20:55] <FernandoMiguel>         500 mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt/ precise/main amd64 Packages
[20:55] <FernandoMiguel> glosoli: aurora, PPA
[20:55] <yofel> ah
[20:55] <glosoli> FernandoMiguel: aaa gonna check that, alpha would be better for me as it has Speed Dial :)
[20:55] <FernandoMiguel> $ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:55] <FernandoMiguel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/907840/
[20:56] <FernandoMiguel> glosoli: don't call it alpha or beta
[20:56] <FernandoMiguel> it's neither
[20:56] <FernandoMiguel> you have trunk (nightly), alpha, aurora, beta, stable, lts
[20:57] <FernandoMiguel> while chrome has trunk(nightly), dev, beta, stable, outdated(unsupported)
[20:57] <glosoli> FernandoMiguel: so Aurora is likely something between alpha-beta ?
[20:57] <FernandoMiguel> yes
[20:57] <glosoli> FernandoMiguel: so you use it now ?
[20:58] <FernandoMiguel> it's my secondary browser
[20:58] <FernandoMiguel> on all my machines
[20:58] <glosoli> FernandoMiguel: hmm, but it always updates only to Aurora ?
[20:58] <glosoli> FernandoMiguel: if there will be bugs that will be fixed in beta, it wouldn't be fixed in aurora  ?
[20:59] <qrwteyrutiyoup> how can I find out which patches were applied over a vanilla kernel in the default 12.04 kernel?
[20:59] <FernandoMiguel> qrwteyrutiyoup: by looking at .patches ?
[20:59] <MrChrisDruif> Banshee doesn't play any songs anymore
[20:59] <FernandoMiguel> in launchapd
[20:59] <qrwteyrutiyoup> do you have the link handy, FernandoMiguel?
[20:59] <FernandoMiguel> no, sorry
[20:59] <qrwteyrutiyoup> okay, thanks, I will try to find it
[21:00] <MrChrisDruif> Did anyone hear about that before?
[21:01] <guntbert> qrwteyrutiyoup: start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam
[21:01] <qrwteyrutiyoup> thanks as well, guntbert
[21:15] <FernandoMiguel> http://sexy-pictures.tumblr.com/post/20160334194/firefox
[21:16] <guntbert> FernandoCueva: don't post random links in a support channel
[21:17] <glosoli> :DDD
[21:17] <yofel> lol
[21:20] <glosoli> I better keep my mouth silent :D
[21:21] <bodhi_me> it's wise in china
[21:21] <yofel> well, he's used to times when this channel wasn't as busy as it is these days
[21:22] <glosoli> yofel: and it's good it is getting more attention, when 12.04 lts will be out I will start asking my parents to switch their computer to 12.04
[21:23] <yofel> agreed
[21:23] <bodhi_me> switch? i will install 12.04 into another ufd
[21:23] <graingert> where can I get more people to look at this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/966058
[21:23] <graingert> people who know about python and ssl?
[21:24] <bodhi_me> not me
[21:24] <glosoli> bodhi_me: switch I mean from Windows to Ubuntu :)
[21:24] <glosoli> Marks new decisions changed my mind :)
[21:25] <glosoli> my parents will get a try this time, it's a pity of them calling me from time to time for viruses and bla bla :D
[21:25] <bodhi_me> come on, who the hell is still using windows? people use ios and macos nowadays
[21:26] <glosoli> bodhi_me: well when macbooks in my country makes the price of three times your month salary, not a lot of people think of buying one  :)
[21:26] <glosoli> even though I am sure it would play good with Ubuntu :)
[21:26] <bodhi_me> you can see a truck of macbooks and ipads in a cybercafe
[21:26] <glosoli> emm?
[21:26] <yofel> now, if someone would fix the driver for my dads canon printer I would be able to do the same
[21:26] <bodhi_me> at least, in here
[21:27] <glosoli> yofel: haha know that feeling :) and it would be good thing for me too, as I would not have to worry about them breaking something, will not give password and that's all :D
[21:28] <FernandoCueva> guntbert, me what posting links?
[21:28] <yofel> glosoli: exactly ;)
[21:28] <glosoli> FernandoCueva: not you he mistakenly pressed tab for guy named FernandoMiguel
[21:28] <glosoli> :D
[21:28] <yofel> he knows a bit about computers at least so it's not that bad for me
[21:28] <glosoli> FernandoCueva: which got kicked for pasting links
[21:28] <FernandoCueva> lies he pm me
[21:28] <guntbert> FernandoCueva: sorry, I mistabbed, that was not intended for you - i should read more carefully what I write :)
[21:29] <FernandoCueva> grrr
[21:29] <glosoli> guntbert: you got busted
[21:29] <glosoli> :D
[21:36] <nabukadnezar43> hi, i intend to install precise daily on my laptop which has nvidia optimus technology
[21:36] <glosoli> ouh
[21:36] <nabukadnezar43> i don't need the nvidia card or the proprietary drivers
[21:37] <nabukadnezar43> i just want a cool laptop with long battery life
[21:37] <nabukadnezar43> what is the best option?
[21:37] <glosoli> nabukadnezar43: is there any way to disable nVidia from bios
[21:37] <glosoli>  ?
[21:37] <nabukadnezar43> cool as in heat :)
[21:37] <nabukadnezar43> i checked but it has no options in the bios
[21:37] <nabukadnezar43> it's dell n5110 15r with i5 2410m
[21:38] <nabukadnezar43> i read this post at askubuntu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/96552/how-well-will-nvidia-optimus-cards-be-supported-in-12-04
[21:38] <nabukadnezar43> the answerer wrote this: "If your system has a hardware mux - so both the nVidia and Intel GPUs are connected to the outputs - and vga_swicheroo works, you can use that interface to switch between them, but only if you're using the open-source drivers. For 12.04 we plan to ensure that the unused GPU is turned off in this case, which should improve battery life."
[21:39] <glosoli> nabukadnezar43: sorry I don't own Optimus card, you might try reading about something called Bumblebee for Linux
[21:40] <nabukadnezar43> i heard about all options, bumblebbe, ironhide, acpi_call, vga_switcheroo etc.
[21:40] <nabukadnezar43> but that answer confused me
[21:40] <nabukadnezar43> if 12.04 has built-in support to disable nvidia card for long battery life, i don't need to do anything
[21:43] <glosoli> nabukadnezar43: sorry you would have to wait a bit for someone who has knowledge on that topic :/
[21:44] <nabukadnezar43> sure, no problem
[21:51] <rymate1234> hey
[21:51] <rymate1234> is Beta 2 stable?
[21:51] <rymate1234> (ish)
[21:52] <Logan_> rymate1234: Yes. I've been running Precise since Alpha 2, and it's been generally very stable for me.
[21:52] <rymate1234> ah cool
[21:52] <nabukadnezar43> i used beta 1 for a while, it was pretty stable
[21:52] <rymate1234> I might try the beta then
[21:52] <rymate1234> :)
[21:52] <Logan_> rymate1234: Might as well download the daily build so it has all of the latest updates.
[21:52] <rymate1234> meh
[21:52] <rymate1234> I just got the beta 2 iso
[21:52] <rymate1234> XD
[21:53] <Logan_> Ah, okay.
[21:53]  * rymate1234 burns it onto a dvd-rw
[21:53] <rymate1234> actually no
[21:53] <nabukadnezar43> waste of GBs
[21:54] <nabukadnezar43> use a cd or a usb
[21:54] <nabukadnezar43> :)
[21:54]  * rymate1234 found a cd!
[21:54] <rymate1234> I don't think my laptop can boot from USB
[21:54] <rymate1234> I can try though
[21:54] <nabukadnezar43> any decent pc can do that
[21:55] <roasted> hello!
[21:55] <nabukadnezar43> and installation from a usb stick is much faster
[21:56] <nabukadnezar43> hello roasted
[21:56] <roasted> hello
[21:56] <roasted> yes installing from usb is crazy awesome
[21:56] <roasted> ubuntu 12.04 installed from usb onto a sata3 SSD in about 5 minutes and 30 seconds
[21:57] <nabukadnezar43> sata3 ssd in my dreams :)
[21:57] <roasted> we got a lab of them at work
[21:57] <bodhi_me> a ssd is too big for me
[21:57] <roasted> our macs died, go figure
[21:57] <roasted> lol
[21:57] <nabukadnezar43> i actually have a pretty fast pc
[21:57] <nabukadnezar43> hdd is the bottleneck
[21:57] <nabukadnezar43> 7200 rpm sata2
[21:57] <roasted> yeah, definitely
[21:57] <roasted> yeah it's the hdd, not even sata2
[21:57]  * rymate1234 backups this USB
[21:57]  * rymate1234 formats
[21:57] <roasted> sata drives can't saturate sata2 ports
[21:58] <bastidrazor> roasted: super a and super f do nothing in unity2d for me
[21:58] <roasted> bastidrazor, oh, thanks bro. appreciate it. :D
[21:58] <roasted> I'm surprised you remembered I asked, lol.
[21:58] <nabukadnezar43> i heard that ssds have short lives
[21:58] <rymate1234> so what's this HUD like?
[21:58] <nabukadnezar43> is it a myth?
[21:58] <roasted> pretty much
[21:59] <bastidrazor> roasted: super brings up unity for me. i have mine to autohide but i have terminal open and fullscreened
[21:59] <roasted> ssd's have a life span that'll likely far outlast even regular hard drives
[21:59] <roasted> limited life span? very likely. enough that it'll make a difference vs regular hard drives? nope.
[21:59] <bastidrazor> roasted: irssi can help one remember almost anything.
[21:59] <roasted> bastidrazor, it's a bummer. 2d is nicer on my laptop but I really like super A
[21:59] <bastidrazor> roasted: what is it suppose to do?
[22:00] <roasted> bastidrazor, honestly I wish my dash lens came up with the entire apps listed by default
[22:00] <nabukadnezar43> then i may buy one
[22:00] <roasted> bastidrazor, can you run 3d? or does 3d not work whatsoever?
[22:00] <roasted> bastidrazor, you can check it out in 3d. it just opens the aplications lens by default.
[22:00] <nabukadnezar43> i may even upgrade my phenom ii x4 965
[22:00] <roasted> bastidrazor, like if you open the dash, theres 5 lenses at the bottom. the 2nd one is the applications lens. SUPER A opens that (awesome) and SUPER F opens files
[22:01] <roasted> bastidrazor, I kind of like the recent items in the main list. IT's growing on me. But I'm a recovering Gnome Shell fan so having all of the apps listed is a nice touch which I like with Super A, as it shows me them without further clicking around.
[22:01] <rymate1234> Gnome shell ftw
[22:01] <rymate1234> Unity ftw
[22:01] <nabukadnezar43> what's super a, super f?
[22:01] <roasted> gnome shell is flippin beautiful
[22:01] <nabukadnezar43> windows button+a and f?
[22:01] <roasted> nabukadnezar43, super = "windows key"
[22:01] <roasted> yeup
[22:01] <roasted> yep
[22:02] <rymate1234> anything but windows metro is good
[22:02] <roasted> rymate1234, unity in 12.04 is drawing me away from gnome shell, though.
[22:02] <nabukadnezar43> i hate the shell and unity, thanks god we have plenty options
[22:02] <rymate1234> OoOOOOOooooOOOoooooo
[22:02] <roasted> rymate1234, the more I use it, the more it clicks with me. It's weird because I've passionately hated unity since day 1.
[22:02] <roasted> nabukadnezar43, amen. Doesn't matter if you like light beer or dark beer. At least you're in the right place. :)
[22:02] <roasted> cheers! :D
[22:03] <rymate1234> right
[22:03] <rymate1234> once this usb is done
[22:03] <rymate1234> I'll reboot laptop
[22:04] <rymate1234> :D
[22:04] <nabukadnezar43> i tried metro ui
[22:04] <roasted> metro is really nice, but it's terrible on a computer
[22:04] <rymate1234> eh
[22:04] <nabukadnezar43> if i had a tablet, i'd definitely consider it
[22:04] <rymate1234> ^
[22:04] <roasted> yeah, amen
[22:04] <rymate1234> I found a program called ViStart
[22:04] <roasted> I actually think it's very nice and intuitive. I just don't need an email icon thats 800x600 in size.
[22:04] <roasted> I just don't.
[22:04] <rymate1234> its a clone of the windows 7 start menu
[22:04] <rymate1234> right
[22:04] <rymate1234> usb is prepared
[22:05] <rymate1234> I SHALL BBL
[22:05] <roasted> Phone? Small tablet? Absolutely.
[22:06] <glosoli> nabukadnezar43: any help you got so far :/ ?
[22:08] <nabukadnezar43> no
[22:10] <rymate1234|usb> hey
[22:10] <rymate1234|usb> well
[22:11] <rymate1234|usb> this is the worst irc client ever
[22:11] <glosoli> nabukadnezar43: have you trying asking in askubuntu ?
[22:11] <rymate1234|usb> but oh my gawd this is quicker than a live cd
[22:11]  * rymate1234|usb installs
[22:12] <nabukadnezar43> no, i don't really like forums and those kind of sites
[22:12] <nabukadnezar43> but i may try asking there
[22:12] <nabukadnezar43> thanks
[22:12] <glosoli> Anyone here using NVIDIA OPTIMUS ?
[22:12] <rymate1234|usb> hey
[22:15] <remaster> hello how much stable is 12.04 b2 ?
[22:15] <remaster> i want to try it!
[22:16] <rymate1234|usb> seems quite stable
[22:16] <jinjorge> remaster:stable
[22:16] <rymate1234|usb> currently trying to figure out which of these partitions is my /home
[22:16] <remaster> well i'm user of ubuntu 11.04 but i have
[22:16] <rymate1234|usb> and which is my /
[22:16] <remaster> graphic errors
[22:16] <jinjorge> been running 12.04 since the alpha release on my work computer
[22:17] <remaster> when i use a custom theme... a little time before my pc crash...
[22:17] <jinjorge> each iteration gets better and better
[22:17] <remaster> and another question
[22:18] <rymate1234|usb> this is very quick of a usb stick
[22:18] <remaster> i have i5 processor
[22:18] <remaster> wich version i use?
[22:18] <rymate1234|usb> v. good processor
[22:18] <rymate1234|usb> erm
[22:18] <rymate1234|usb> how much ram do you have
[22:18] <remaster> 4gb
[22:18] <remaster> ddr3
[22:18] <bodhi_me> come on, who the hell doesn't have 16gb of ram?
[22:19]  * rymate1234|usb raises hand slowly
[22:19] <jinjorge> ha ha, me
[22:19] <jinjorge> what do you need 16GB of RAM for?
[22:20] <remaster> video editor or graphic or much games??? in other way i think thats much unnecesary ram ._.
[22:20] <bodhi_me> so i can load the whole system into the ram, such as salix os and boshi (ubuntu)
[22:20] <rymate1234|usb> O_o
[22:20] <jinjorge> ahhh ok
[22:20] <bodhi_me> and all my vms can get 4 gb of ram
[22:20] <jinjorge> haven't needed to do that
[22:20] <rymate1234|usb> well this is fun
[22:20] <rymate1234|usb> ^_^
[22:21] <jinjorge> 4GB works for me
[22:21] <remaster> and ... what version of ubuntu may i use?
[22:21] <bodhi_me> for example, salix only takes about 1gb of ram
[22:21] <bodhi_me> then everything is in the ram
[22:21] <jinjorge> remaster: what do you mean?
[22:22] <bodhi_me> persistence? no problem
[22:22] <remaster> x86 or amd64?
[22:22] <jinjorge> you are in the 12.04 beta2 chat room. my guess is that most in here are running 12.04
[22:22] <jinjorge> do you have an intel processor?
[22:23] <remaster> i5 intel processor
[22:23] <jinjorge> then x86
[22:23] <remaster> ok
[22:23] <remaster> thanks
[22:25] <rymate1234|usb> okay.....
[22:25] <penguin42> jinjorge: Why did you say x86 - amd64 will run very nicely on an i5
[22:25] <penguin42> jinjorge: amd64 is just the name for the 64bit arch
[22:26] <rymate1234|usb> why is my mouse a permanent spinning wheel thing
[22:28] <rymate1234|usb> okay.....
[22:28] <rymate1234|usb> its stuck at "removing conflicting operating system files"
[22:30] <remaster> uff
[22:30] <remaster> well i'm downloading amd64
[22:30] <remaster> 4min to complete the download :3
[22:31] <rymate1234|usb> oshit
[22:31] <rymate1234|usb> I think I got my partitions mixed up
[22:31] <rymate1234|usb> :(
[22:32] <remaster> i only have a data partition of 550gb
[22:32] <remaster> and a OS partition of 50gb
[22:32] <rymate1234|usb> YAY ITS DOING STUFF
[22:32] <rymate1234|usb> AOK
[22:32] <rymate1234|usb> ok
[22:32] <rymate1234|usb> I think
[22:33] <rymate1234|usb> I mixed up my current /home and / partitions
[22:33] <ratcheer> 550 GB! WTH?
[22:33] <rymate1234|usb> because they were both similar size
[22:33] <rymate1234|usb> >.<
[22:34] <remaster> ratcheer why?
[22:34] <rymate1234|usb> if my calculations are correct (which I hope they aren't) i'm formatting my /home and using it as me /
[22:34] <rymate1234|usb> rymate1234|usb: yay
[22:34] <rymate1234|usb> I can tab complete
[22:35] <ratcheer> remaster: I just wonder what you do with it. The biggest partition on my 1 TB drive is 50 GB.
[22:35] <remaster> well i only put random files there... music, videos
[22:36] <ratcheer> Well, I do have a 2 TB external drive that is all one big partition.
[22:36] <remaster> i have a TimeCapsule 2TB
[22:36] <nabukadnezar43> e-sata?
[22:36] <ratcheer> nabukadnezar43: No, mine is USB 3
[22:37] <rymate1234|usb> hmmm
[22:37] <nabukadnezar43> i gave up on externals
[22:37] <rymate1234|usb> will not doing anything speed up installation?
[22:37] <nabukadnezar43> too slow too painful
[22:37] <nabukadnezar43> i've a 500 gb for os
[22:37] <nabukadnezar43> and 1 tb for storage
[22:37] <ratcheer> nabukadnezar43: I still use one because it is cheap and easy.
[22:37] <nabukadnezar43> that's my desktop
[22:38] <nabukadnezar43> internals are cheaper
[22:38] <nabukadnezar43> well that's if you're using a desktop
[22:38] <ratcheer> But not as easy. Just plug in the external and go. They're easy to move among systems if you need to, too.
[22:39] <nabukadnezar43> internals are already plugged in
[22:39] <ratcheer> But, I'm not the type that likes to dig around inside my case.
[22:39] <nabukadnezar43> and you can format them in any filesystem you want
[22:39] <jinjorge> penguin: didn't know that...... thought it meant cpu type. I stand corrected. Thanks!!
[22:39] <nabukadnezar43> but who cares, that's your choice and this is mine :)
[22:40] <ratcheer> nabukadnezar43: Agreed
[22:40] <jinjorge> penguin42: didn't know that...... thought it meant cpu type. I stand corrected. Thanks!!
[22:40] <ratcheer> Maybe I'll buy me a big SATA III internal and convert to btrfs.
[22:41] <jinjorge> remaster:apologies for the incorrect info
[22:41] <remaster> jinjorge no problem now i'm making the booteable usb of amd64
[22:42] <remaster> but i continue to feeling nervous
[22:42] <remaster> to crash my sistem
[22:43] <penguin42> jinjorge: It's just history; AMD bought out the 64bit x86 first by a few years
[22:44] <remaster> no it's not that
[22:44] <remaster> i don't wanna lose my info
[22:48] <xrdodrx> Will one be able to update from Beta 2 to 12.04?
[22:48] <ratcheer> xrdodrx: Yes
[22:48] <nabukadnezar43> of course
[22:48] <xrdodrx> I assumed so, thank you :)
[22:53] <spaceneedle> After I type in my password at the login screen  it takes too long for the unity screen to appear.
[22:55] <spaceneedle> Also, the jumbled words at the top corner needs to be fixed.
[22:56] <remaster_> me esta corriendo lento
[22:56] <remaster_> en una amd thurion
[22:56] <remaster_> it's runing slow in a amd thurion machine
[23:05] <Wrostek> Im trying to compile a kernel with 'fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers binary-generic' after around 20 minutes, sub-make returns error 2 while compiling 'LD [M]  drivers/w1/wire.o' ... but there is no debug info... Is there a way to get the kernel build to be more descriptive?
[23:05] <Wrostek>  ( i would disable Dallas Wire from the config, but you cant, its either built in or module, and I dont know how to fix the problem without debug )
[23:07] <jtaylor> usually its make V=1 or make VERBOSE=1
[23:09] <Wrostek> thanks I will try that
[23:09] <penguin42> I thought even without that it would normally give you the reason for an error
[23:09] <penguin42> Wrostek: Do you know if it's doing parallel builds?
[23:09] <jtaylor> I would have expected that too
[23:09] <Wrostek> Like using multiple cores? yes
[23:10] <penguin42> Wrostek: In that case, look a little bit further up to see if there was an error
[23:11] <penguin42> Wrostek: when it's doing stuff in parallel you might get the error and then some other ones complete
[23:12] <Wrostek> Yes, I looked up the output, but there were no errors ( some warnings ) but no errors
[23:16] <meerkats> so in the ubuntu project gnome is no longer in your plans for future releases... you will stick to unity
[23:16] <meerkats> right?
[23:17] <Daekdroom> meerkats, GNOME is in the plans for the future releases.
[23:19] <meerkats> Daekdroom, but as it is now in 11.10? I mean I liked gnome in 11.04, but since 11.10 there are some missing things (I cannot find an easy way to change between open windows)
[23:26] <bjsnider> you don't have to use unity, you can use gnome-shell
[23:38] <itaylor57> resistance is futile you will be assimilated to unity
[23:39] <bastidrazor> crush all hu-mans
[23:40] <itaylor57> bastidrazor, i tried pcbsd live usb, didn't go so good
[23:40] <bastidrazor> itaylor57: its happens
[23:40] <itaylor57> but i am off topic lol
[23:41] <bastidrazor> oh i thought this was -ot.. oops