[04:26] hey bryceh or RAOF, around? [04:38] jasoncwarner_: Yup, what's up? [04:38] hey RAOF remember that mouse reverse scrolling bug? [04:38] (apple mighty mouse thing)? [04:39] With the horizontal scrolling? [04:39] it's back...wondering if my custom config is messing up the upstream fix [04:39] yeah [05:10] Good morning [05:52] jason__, tried removing your custom config? [06:10] pitti, what's the word on the street about beta2? [06:11] (also, I was woken up by a bird very early this morning, I kinda blame you guys for this) [06:11] rickspencer3: it's out :) haven't heard about catastrophes yet [06:11] "no catastrophes" is as good as it gets sometimes ;) [06:11] rickspencer3: pah -- I've been for about two weeks now, by a bird that sounds like an alarm clock [06:13] pitti, I'm actually reading good things about beta2 on reddit [06:13] comments are quite positive about both robustness and Unity [06:13] nothing on heise.de yet [06:14] pitti, no archive probs? [06:14] I thought we were supposed to have a crush of uploads and a mess to untangle today [06:14] ;) [06:15] rickspencer3: if you want some, we'll need to reupload LibO [06:15] rickspencer3: our -proposed builds failed :/ [06:15] because of that LP bug again [06:15] so we need to build in precise directly [06:15] *sigh* [06:15] rickspencer3: but it's in trunk now, should be rolled out next week [06:15] from then on we'll be able to use -proposed all the time [06:15] pitti, can Sweetshark just fix LO once and for all next cycle [06:16] ? [06:16] rickspencer3: not Sweetshark's fault this time [06:16] pitti, oh, I thoguht it was never his fault [06:16] I thought the problem was it has a monolythic build structure [06:16] it's just the 4 h on amd64 vs. 20 h on armhf difference [06:16] monolithic [06:16] I was not taking Sweetshark' [06:17] s name in vain ! [06:17] I remember we had discussed years ago refactoring it into a more modular build structure, so we could rebuild only parts that changed, etc... [06:18] right, but upstream went the opposite direction [06:18] they merged all their per-project git trees into one [06:19] pitti, are you planning on updating pygobject and libgnomekbd? [06:19] good morning [06:20] robert_ancell: yes, I wanted to sync it after the freeze (pygobject) [06:20] robert_ancell: and I'm happy to look into libgnomekbd, too; I hope we can just sync as well, I might need to make some fixes to Debian [06:20] bonjour didrocks [06:21] hey didrocks [06:21] guten morgen pitti, how are you? [06:21] pitti, I had a quick look and there's more than trivial changes. I think you had your name on it somewhere so I thought I'd leave it to you if you are most familair [06:21] bonjour rickspencer3 ;) [06:21] didrocks, I'm reading nice things about unity this morning [06:21] rickspencer3: nice blog post! [06:21] good evening robert_ancell, btw [06:21] rickspencer3: ah? [06:21] :) [06:21] rickspencer3, hey [06:21] (nice btw ;)) [06:22] didrocks, I think the combination of all around quality on the desktop, and feature completion in Unity has come together very noticably for beta2 [06:22] didrocks, what does the French community think? [06:23] rickspencer3: they really love precise. Quite bored by the stability (they like when things broke in the unstable forum) even ;) So really, there is the feeling that the Quality really raised compared to the feedback 6 months ago [06:24] rickspencer3: they are still some concerns about some features/design, but the overall impression on Unity is really positive [06:24] now we just need to fix that effing HUD to not come up all the time again [06:24] but yes, by and large it's really good [06:24] pitti, I;m starting to agree with you about HUD invocation [06:24] pitti: you still have that in 3D? I know it's an issue on 2D [06:24] but not sure in 3D [06:24] this does not happen to me, but I read about it [06:24] I've not been noticing accidentally bringing up the HUD. [06:24] didrocks: it was fixed in 5.6, then re-broken in 5.8 [06:25] rickspencer3: it's an executive decision about the shortcut, we tried to make design coming back on this decision one month ago when all the issues arised [06:25] at least it's configurable in 3D [06:25] pitti: do you have a test case? [06:25] but we really need to make it configurable in 2D, too [06:25] pitti: there is really no step by step reproducer in 3D for accidental reveal since 5.6 [06:26] didrocks, by executive decision, do you mean it's was sabdfl decided? [06:26] rickspencer3: indeed [06:26] I'll try to come up with one; it's erratic, but happens all the time here [06:26] rickspencer3, that's how I read that :) [06:26] pitti: please do ;) [06:26] so is the bug simply that 2d needs to work like 3d? [06:26] pitti: I'm using alt heavily in weechat, that didn't happen to me since 5.6 [06:26] * rickspencer3 should use 2d more [06:27] I actually used the hud in gimp yesterday, it is very useful there [06:27] rickspencer3: well, not "simple" though, as the hack is in compiz and related to the fact that unity and compiz are in the same process [06:27] so can't do that in 2d as metacity and unity-2d are 2 processes [06:27] didrocks, but from a user perspective, it should work the same? [06:28] rickspencer3: right, from a user perspective, apart from pitti's case who seem to still have a bad test case [06:28] (in 3D) [06:28] just telling that fixing this in compiz took approximately a full week (maybe a little bit more) [06:28] so not trivial at all [06:29] will talk again with the 2D guys today [06:29] to know where we are standing at [06:29] didrocks, is there a specific bug report on this? === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [06:30] rickspencer3: there were quite a lot in 3D, but they are all fixed in 5.6 (that's why I would love to hear from additional wrong cases) [06:31] rickspencer3: for 2d, there is bug #923410 and bug #947613 [06:31] Launchpad bug 923410 in unity-2d "HUD - closing a window with + opens the hud" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923410 [06:31] Launchpad bug 947613 in unity-2d "Alt key summoning HUD needs to be configurable" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947613 [06:31] thanks didrocks [06:31] yw :) [06:31] (the first one was used for tracking in 3D btw) [06:35] pitti, hi [06:35] hey tkamppeter [06:36] pitti, can you upload cups and cups-filters to Debian and Ubuntu, now where beta freeze is over? [06:36] tkamppeter: you hear any reports of HP desktop printing being broke in precise? [06:37] tkamppeter: can do, yes [06:42] micahg, today there came in a bug that Ghostscript falls into an infinite loop, do you mean this (bug 968785)? If not, tell me the bug number. [06:42] Launchpad bug 968785 in ghostscript "ghostscript runs for indefinitely long period of time when called by foomatic-rip" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968785 [06:43] tkamppeter: the poppler 0.18 patch fails to unapply, will need to fix this first [06:43] tkamppeter: no, I think it has to do with not uploading the firmware, once I did that manually, I was able to print [06:53] didrocks: Thinking of keyboard shortcuts, have you seen bug #968914 (tapping leaves the launcher and keyboard shortcuts overlay up until you press again)? [06:53] Launchpad bug 968914 in unity "Tapping leaves launcher and “keyboard shortcuts” open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968914 [06:53] tkamppeter: all done [06:54] RAOF: yeah, this one is known and fixed in trunk [06:54] RAOF: we will have on Monday a compiz version with this fix and another without my workaround for upgrade users ;) [06:55] *Without*? [06:55] You mean, users' settings won't get reset? :) [06:57] RAOF: right, and we will have a proper fix :) [06:57] (and no more python process starting at boot time) [06:57] (and then and happier pitti) [06:57] (sun will shine, we will enjoy a beer all together…) [06:57] didrocks: unity-lens-video and unity-scope-video-remot ? [06:58] Bunnies will frolick in the dells [06:58] pitti: they are not started at login :) [06:58] RAOF: exactly! :) [07:49] pitti, thanks. === Guest86541 is now known as jalcine [08:00] hey [08:02] bonjour seb128, ca va? [08:02] seb128: congrats for breaking the 300 mark! [08:02] pitti, hey, wie geht's? [08:02] I'm good thanks [08:02] got it? waouh! ;-) [08:04] seb128: so, nobody got any counts from the proposed copies [08:04] pitti, which are least prevented didrocks to go too high in scoring :p [08:05] that's not fair! [08:05] :) [08:05] you win either way :) [08:07] yeah, but it can be so much more classy :) [08:10] good morning desktop people! [08:11] hey dpm, wie gehts? [08:11] morgen pitti, gut, danke! Und selbst? [08:12] hey dpm [08:12] morning seb128 [08:13] pitti, go pitti go! if I count well with this morning uploads you need one small extra bug to get to 300 ;-) [08:13] seb128: I have one udisks fix committed in Debian [08:13] seb128: and debugging the race you had yesterday :) [08:13] \o/ [08:13] seb128: oh, did you count the cups stuff? [08:13] pitti, yes [08:13] seb128: most of these are already fixed [08:13] oh ok [08:13] seb128: Till did -0bzrN uploads [08:13] these just have one for me [08:14] ok, so a few extra ones still [08:14] anyway, getting to 300 should be no problem [08:14] pitti, let me know if you need extra debug output on your udisks race [08:14] * pitti ^5s seb128, we really made precise measurably better [08:14] hi mvo, I know Synaptic might be a low priority package, but if you've got the chance, do you think it'd be possible to do an upload including translations only, to fix bug 889351 - it seems lots of translations done in LP are not shipped in the package [08:14] Launchpad bug 889351 in synaptic "Synaptic does not ship all available translations" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/889351 [08:14] * seb128 hugs pitti [08:17] dpm: that should be fixed in precise [08:19] cool thanks micahg, if it is, would you mind updating the bug status? [08:22] dpm: hmm, nope, no en_* translations [08:26] Sweetshark: guten Morgen [08:26] Sweetshark: sorry to tell you that all the recent builds failed due to bug 930217 [08:26] Launchpad bug 930217 in launchpad "Make proposed pocket useful for staging uploads" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930217 [08:27] Sweetshark: that fix will be rolled out next week, but could you please prepare a no-change upload to precise today, so that it can build over the weekend? [08:27] Sweetshark: (we unfroze precise, so we can't use -proposed any more) === chaoticuk_ is now known as chaoticuk [08:39] dpm: oh, sure [08:45] pitti, do you have any opinion on taking that change for precise? [08:45] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/accountsservice/commit/?id=1fd8d981d134257e1d18ef356f5aa08a6f2d7f28 [08:45] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/accountsservice/commit/?id=552a0c856a6e3a7c2e6450ab80e79f4204062281 === zyga is now known as zyga-afk [08:46] seb128: doesn't quite match Debian/ubuntu, though [08:46] most system users have /bin/false as shell [08:46] pitti, there is an extra commit to add /bin/false [08:46] and many have /bin/sh actually [08:47] the static uids [08:47] libuuid:x:100:101::/var/lib/libuuid:/bin/sh [08:47] some dynamic system users seem to get it wrong, too [08:47] hum ok, seems a bit risky [08:47] sshd:x:114:65534::/var/run/sshd:/usr/sbin/nologin [08:47] and we have nologin in a different path [08:47] pitti, the context is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671484 [08:47] pitti: well, "no-change" still means a version-bump right? [08:47] Gnome bug 671484 in User Accounts "segfault in um_user_set_icon_file() (when uid < UID_MIN?)" [Critical,Resolved: notgnome] [08:47] Sweetshark: right [08:47] pitti: k, will do [08:48] Sweetshark: thanks, and sorry for the mess; I wasn't aware that it would trash builds as well [08:48] pitti, i.e the user account dialog has issues with users having an uid < UID_MIN, but I guess it's not a frequent case [08:48] pitti, thanks, you convinced me it's less risky to stay with what we have :p [08:48] seb128: right, real users should stay with >= 500, and with Debian's default config >= 1000 [08:49] if you use something else, then the GUI tools won't show these [08:49] pitti, well there is a bit of a bug somewhere but I guess we should fix it from the g-c-c side [08:50] pitti, that segfaults has 5 duplicates in launchpad so it happens to some people [08:50] right [08:51] pitti, I will look at making g-c-c robust to those rather, playing catchup on what is a valid shell or not seems risky for this cycle [08:51] pitti, thanks [08:51] doh, 425 updates today [08:52] seb128: yes, and as long as sys users have /bin/sh, it won't help us much [08:52] updating to beta2 to post beta2 feels like distupgrading from oneiric to precise :p [08:52] seb128: I think this upstream commit doesn't really improve matters; there's a reason LSB prescribes UID ranges [08:52] seb128: heh, indeed; and to not small degree your fault :) [08:52] lol [08:52] gnome 3.4 love [08:52] indeed [08:52] but that staging in proposed worked really well [08:53] pitti, I'm pondering trying to argue with upstream over the uid stuff [08:53] not a second of archive breakage, and we could use the builders during freeze [08:53] pitti, indeed! [08:53] * pitti looks forward to next week, when Colin's fix will get rolled out [08:53] awesome, thanks mvo. I've added a comment on the bug that the i18n branch needs to be merged before the upload. Also, I've just updated the Catalan translation, but it won't make it until tomorrow's daily export to the branch. Are you planning to do the upload before tomorrow, and if so, may I send you the PO file (or a merge proposal), if it's not too much extra work? [08:55] pitti: +1 on proposed, I buy definitively it :) [08:55] I just got three HUDs in a row from pressing ctrl+alt+something [08:55] but not reliably [08:55] pitti: ctrl + alt + which key? [08:56] pitti: not a key handled by compiz? [08:56] cursor mostly [08:56] (like no switching ws) [08:56] e. g. ws switch [08:56] hum [08:56] I'm always using that :/ [08:56] I also got it all the time yesterday when grabbing/ungrabbing keyboard/mouse in kvm [08:56] didn't get the HUD once since 5.6 :/ [08:57] even now, trying very hard to just type ctrl + alt + left and release in one shot [08:57] yeah, I didn't get it either for like 2 weeks [08:57] my ws switches [08:57] but didn't see the hUD [08:57] HUD* [08:57] yes, if I hammer on them and want to get it, it doesn't appear [08:57] Heisenbug [08:57] :) [08:58] dpm: I can put the upload on my agenda for monday [08:59] mvo, that would be great, thanks! [09:00] dpm: I put it on my todo [09:00] cool :) === cking_ is now known as cking [09:11] seb128: do you know on which version of glib bug #926208 was supposed to be fixed? [09:11] Launchpad bug 926208 in bamf "bamfdaemon crashed with SIGABRT in g_assertion_message()" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/926208 [09:11] didrocks, 2.31.22-0ubuntu1 [09:12] * didrocks sees that the latest dup is old [09:12] looking for new crashers in bamf [09:13] ok, last one was on 2012-03-15 [09:14] so I guess the commenter just got a something else and thought it's the same [09:16] didrocks, or he didn't restart his session for a week and still have the old glib in process or is using an outdated mirror [09:17] seb128: right, at least, with the crash, he will get a new loaded one :) [09:26] pitti, can you have a look at bug 968890. Ther CUPS seems not to start because the Dialog utility for Debconf does not find the correct terminal size. [09:26] Launchpad bug 968890 in cups "package cups 1.5.2-8bzr2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968890 [09:40] tkamppeter: hm, no immediate idea; perhaps the upgrade is ran in a very small terminal? [09:44] pitti, should then be some protection against that done, for example apt-get or dpkg aborting with an error right in the beginning? Or should the Readline version of the Debconf interface be checked so that it actually works? [09:45] debconf could perhaps fallback to a different backend then [09:45] tkamppeter: either way, feel free to reassign to debconf; there's nothing cups specific there [09:47] pitti, thanks, will do. [09:50] ahah, I can tell beta2 got released, number of user of the MSN app in GOA jumped from 300 daily to over 400 in one day [09:55] pitti, done. [09:55] didrocks: hm, I get it half of the time when using alt+left/right to switch between channels in weechat, but also if I just do that in a terminal (when it has no particular effect) [09:56] pitti: oh, maybe you do press an arrows before alt? [09:57] didrocks: I'm pretty sure I don't; but I press arrow very quickly after alt [09:57] didrocks: in all the cases when the HUD popped up, the alt+arrow actually did change teh channel [09:57] when I press alt, wait a bit, press arrow, it works [09:57] maybe my machine is too slow, but I tried to ping very quickly [09:57] but when I press alt and then arrow very quickly (as I usually do), I get it [09:58] I can now reproduce it 100% of the time [09:59] seb128: can you try on your machine? ^ [09:59] $ xev | grep -A2 ^KeyPress [09:59] KeyPress event, serial 36, synthetic NO, window 0x3800001, [09:59] root 0xbe, subw 0x0, time 17590219, (112,69), root:(113,867), [09:59] state 0x0, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe9, Alt_L), same_screen YES, [09:59] -- [09:59] KeyPress event, serial 36, synthetic NO, window 0x3800001, [09:59] root 0xbe, subw 0x0, time 17590299, (112,69), root:(113,867), [09:59] state 0x8, keycode 113 (keysym 0xff51, Left), same_screen YES, [09:59] didrocks: ^ this proves that I get the correct order [09:59] and I get the HUD [10:00] I can confirm yes [10:00] didrocks: I better stick that into a bug report, I guess? [10:00] pitti: yes please [10:00] pitti: I can add it to the priority list [10:00] it doesn't matter which window (or none at all) is focussed [10:01] * didrocks definitively doesn't reproduce, even if I fly over the keyboard [10:02] didrocks: ping [10:03] pitti, for all these "CUPS does start on upgrade" bugs I would appreciate if you add a section to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems with instructions to investigate the bug and your debug version of the Upstart script for download. Then I can start as with all the other bugs "follow the instructions of section "XXX" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems". [10:03] hey JamesTait ;) [10:03] JamesTait: so, you crash, you can reproduce, nice! [10:03] JamesTait: can you run please oneconf-query --hosts --direct? [10:03] didrocks: For the public record: https://pastebin.canonical.com/63438/ [10:04] (you can use the ubuntu pastebin for it ;)) [10:07] JamesTait: in case you didn't notice ^ [10:07] didrocks: Good point. ;) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/906981/ [10:07] didrocks: added everythign I know about it to bug 969039 [10:07] Launchpad bug 969039 in unity "HUD appears when pressing Alt+Cursor key" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/969039 [10:07] seb128: ^ if you can reproduce [10:08] pitti, ok, will comment on it [10:08] though I think the only way is to move the hud out of alt, that's being discussed on unity-design [10:08] like I can't reproduce those bugs in "normal" use, you need to be brutal in timing [10:09] I'm not sure they will ever manager to get it good enough for those [10:10] didrocks: oh, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/969039/comments/2 [10:10] Launchpad bug 969039 in unity "HUD appears when pressing Alt+Cursor key" [Undecided,New] [10:10] didrocks: that might explain why you cannot reproduce [10:11] JamesTait: ok, so you should have a ~/.cache/oneconf directory as well [10:11] JamesTait: can you please tar it and send it to me? :) [10:11] (there is no credential in it, just your package list) [10:11] pitti: oh maybe, would be interesting to play with this settings [10:12] pitti: it's either that, either my computer is too slow to pick the timing issue with this resolution [10:12] the only way to show it for me is to press an arrow before alt [10:12] not in the common case, whatever brutal I am [10:13] didrocks: Sure, gimme 2 secs. [10:13] still weird that any of those settings can impact on your machine [10:14] didrocks: hm, I'm not particularly trying hard to be fast; it's my normal keyboard speed, that's how I get it all the time [10:14] didrocks: but it indeed seems to be due to my settings, I don't get it in a guest session [10:15] pitti, it's still quite brutal compared to what "normal" users do ;-) [10:15] seb128: are you infering pitti is brutal? :) [10:15] *shrug* my wife doesn't type any slower than I do [10:15] well we probably all use keybindings enough to be snappy on them [10:15] well typing is different from keybindings [10:15] but yes, compared to my mother I do [10:16] but if you use keybindings often enough, they get so deeply into your muscle memory that you are just bound to get very fast with them [10:16] right [10:16] I use alt+cursor and ctrl+alt+cursor hundreds of times every day [10:16] didrocks: On its way. :) [10:16] well as said before I think it's pretty much impossible to fix [10:16] JamesTait: no worry ;) [10:16] they should move hud away from the alt key [10:17] seb128: well, this particular issue should be absolutely fixable, even more so because it doesn't happen in a fresh profile [10:17] there clearly is another X key event between the alt press and release [10:17] but independently of that, I agree to not overloading alt [10:17] pitti, it feels like they are playing wack a mole on alt tapping for a month [10:17] ctrl+space or so seems quite fine [10:17] indeed [10:18] and 3d is at least configurable [10:18] 2d sucks because it's hardwired [10:18] I'm puzzled that it doesn't happen in a fresh profile [10:19] seb128, didrocks: argh, hang on -- just noticed that my guest session is 2d [10:19] but yeah, confirmed, doesn't happen in a guest session, weird [10:20] ah [10:20] pitti: support for changing the key will be added to 2D btw [10:20] (I just discussed it on #ubuntu-unity) [10:21] but I now ran a 3D guest session, and still unreproducible [10:21] gnargh [10:21] didrocks: are all compiz settings in gconf? [10:21] didrocks: i. e. if I were to try unity --reset again, and it goes away, could I restore them by saving my gconf tree? (for debugging this) [10:21] or do we have some ~/.config/compiz whatever stuff? [10:22] pitti: all compiz settings are in gconf, yeah, but some unity are in gsettings [10:22] ok, I'll try to bisect this [10:22] and for those I wanted to be shared between 2D and 3D, they put it into gconf to avoid sharing it [10:22] * didrocks sighs [10:23] I'll see how to make it reproducible from a fresh profile, and what triggers it [10:23] thanks pitti! [10:23] this annoys me enough to warrant spending some time on it [10:24] finishing up that apport upload first, though [10:24] yeah, especially I wasn't aware about that one [10:26] JamesTait: ah, I think I know what happened and how you ended up in that situation :) [10:26] JamesTait: at least, the crash makes perfect sense to me now :) [10:26] didrocks: That's good. :) [10:26] JamesTait: I know how to unstuck you, but I would appreciate you keep the broken state to confirm the fix [10:26] (in addition to my incoming test case ;)) [10:27] didrocks: Not a problem. :) [10:27] JamesTait: ok, will work on it ASAP (when the world will be a little bit quieter ;)) [10:28] JamesTait: thanks again for the debugging info :) [10:28] didrocks: You're welcome. Ping me if you need anything else! [10:28] will do! [10:29] pitti, random bet but reading your config and looking at mine, it could happen when putting some wm action binded with an alt combinaison [10:30] pitti, I use alt-& to go to ws1 [10:30] pitti, well you put alt-b [10:30] ah, so I'll try to bind alt+b in the guest session and see whether it happens then [10:30] well->where [10:32] hm, that's not it alone, unless it depends on restarting unity [10:32] hm, why does the guest session default to 2D.. [10:36] pitti: it happens in the past due to apparmor preventing reading /etc/compizconfig/profile [10:36] happened* [10:36] user-session=ubuntu-2d [10:36] sorry, my fault; leftover from some ubuntu-defaults-builder experiments [10:37] bug 969044 [10:37] Launchpad bug 969044 in ubiquity ""try ubuntu" button launches unity 3d when orca is running" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/969044 [10:37] if we have orca loaded, we shouldn't be logging people with a11y requirements in to unity, but unity 2d? [10:38] (on the CD) [10:38] I'm not very up to date on that TBH; we used to in the past, but it appears 3D got a lot more accessible [10:38] so is that still necessary then? [10:39] then again, users of orca won't have much to enjoy from 3D anyway [10:39] 3d is not accessible [10:39] AIUI 2D is the focus for a11y work, so we "recommend" people with a11y requirements use 2d [10:44] popey: if you select the accessibility session at startup (before even ubiquity) [10:44] popey: it doesn't start 2D? [10:44] apparently not, Alan Bell (who filed the bug) told me this in the pub so i asked him to check it today and file a bug [10:44] pitti: as popey told, 3d had no work on accessibility this cycle [10:44] hence bug 959044 [10:44] er [10:44] 969044 [10:45] didrocks: just to confirm, launcher staying with the shortcut numbers selected when I press super+something is the one that's already fixed in trunk, right? [10:45] popey: the bug isn't clear enough [10:45] popey: it doesn't say if orca was starting after ubiquity was showing its first page [10:46] I'll test and confirm [10:46] didrocks: (or alternatively, the help staying around indefinitely) [10:46] popey: or if the accessibility was turned even before ubiquity starts (like if you press enter at the very beginning in the boot and choose a11y) [10:46] popey: thanks [10:46] pitti: right [10:47] pitti: there will be soon a compiz version available in the ppa (I think today won't again be the OneConf day :() === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:30] didrocks / pitti updated bug 969044 - it does indeed start Unity 3d, not 2d when you enable the accessibility screen reader, which does seem like a regression [11:30] Launchpad bug 969044 in ubiquity ""try ubuntu" button launches unity 3d when orca is running" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/969044 [11:30] ubuntu 11.10 worked. [11:30] (worked as in, started 2d) [11:32] popey: I worked on that at the time, but it should really be assigned/talked to TheMuso [11:32] popey: thanks for the feedback :) [11:33] pitti: maybe something to track on your list? ^ not sure if the settings I did in the natty/oneiric time has been reverted [11:34] didrocks: sure, tagged; is that actually in ubiquity, or does that need some magic to adjust the default session? [11:34]