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* stgraber waves | 18:01 | |
ajmitch | hi | 18:01 |
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highvoltage | *swoosh* | 18:01 |
* ajmitch just needs to look up the runes for meetingology | 18:02 | |
ajmitch | #startmeeting Application Review Board | 18:02 |
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ajmitch | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Agenda | 18:03 |
ajmitch | sorry, still waking up :) | 18:03 |
ajmitch | ok, we'll begin on that action review, I'll quickly go throuh & check what's still there from last month | 18:04 |
ajmitch | #topic Action review | 18:05 |
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ajmitch | wendar: you were going to check with doko about when python-support will be removed from the archive, I'm guessing the answer is whenever it's not used anymore? | 18:06 |
wendar | yup | 18:06 |
wendar | it's moved to universe for Precise | 18:06 |
wendar | which is still fine for Extras dependencies | 18:07 |
wendar | but, right now we're manually removing it from packages | 18:07 |
wendar | so, I suggest we keep doing that in Precise | 18:07 |
ajmitch | right, it's easier to use dh_python2 anyway | 18:07 |
wendar | and expect it may be gone from P+1 | 18:07 |
wendar | yeah, I much prefer dh_python2 | 18:08 |
ajmitch | ok, will mark that action as done | 18:08 |
* ajmitch hasn't seen any movement on bug 894582, might be getting a bit late to get it fixed for precise unless it's done this week | 18:09 | |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 894582 in python-distutils-extra "Python templates should use dh_python2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/894582 | 18:09 |
ajmitch | anyone else feel inspired to take that on & see if it can be fixed for release? | 18:10 |
* stgraber -> ENOTIME | 18:11 | |
ajmitch | stgraber: yeah, that's what I figured :) | 18:11 |
ajmitch | I'll add it to my todo list then, but I don't have a great amount of spare time either right now | 18:11 |
wendar | how about UDS? | 18:12 |
ajmitch | wendar: sorry? | 18:12 |
wendar | as in, talk about it at UDS and see if we can get some TUITs from elsewhere? | 18:12 |
ajmitch | ah right, I was mostly wanting it for precise release, so people who build on precise can make packages that we don't have to change too much | 18:12 |
wendar | If we could get it on mvo's list for next cycle, that'd be great | 18:12 |
wendar | it seems too disruptive for an FFE | 18:13 |
ajmitch | I'll try for this week, otherwise sort it at UDS | 18:13 |
wendar | yup, sounds good | 18:13 |
ajmitch | #action ajmitch to look at bug #894582 | 18:14 |
meetingology | ACTION: ajmitch to look at bug #894582 | 18:14 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 894582 in python-distutils-extra "Python templates should use dh_python2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/894582 | 18:14 |
ajmitch | ok, now onto the developer-portal bugs | 18:14 |
* highvoltage is listening, even though quiet | 18:15 | |
* ajmitch also hasn't seen any activity on there, and hasn't emailed david pitkin back, to nag him | 18:15 | |
ajmitch | highvoltage: it's ok, you can keep quiet & we'll assign the rest of the tasks to you :) | 18:16 |
wendar | heh | 18:16 |
highvoltage | I've already been a bad rmb member regarding my tasks already :( | 18:16 |
ajmitch | heh | 18:17 |
ajmitch | well, I'll see what I can do about nagging about bugs again in this case :) | 18:17 |
ajmitch | #topic When should we open extras for precise? | 18:18 |
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ajmitch | wendar: your topic | 18:18 |
wendar | I'd like to suggest opening up the extras archive for precise now. | 18:18 |
wendar | instead of waiting until after the precise release | 18:18 |
wendar | so we can publish a few apps ahead of time, and have them available in the software center at release | 18:19 |
ajmitch | ok, I'm not opposed to that, as a development platform precise won't really change in the next few weeks | 18:19 |
ajmitch | stgraber, highvoltage - what do you think of it? | 18:20 |
stgraber | yeah, opening now (post-beta2) should be safe | 18:21 |
highvoltage | yeah sooner is probably better than later | 18:21 |
stgraber | it's very unlikely any of the submissions would be pushed to Ubuntu before release (with FFe and all the other paperwork) | 18:21 |
* ajmitch doesn't feel like voting on it, so we'll take that as agreed | 18:21 | |
wendar | who wants to turn it on? | 18:22 |
wendar | stgraber has done it in the past | 18:22 |
ajmitch | where is that done? | 18:22 |
stgraber | wendar: the repository is already ready for precise, but someone probably needs to check that MyApps is too | 18:23 |
wendar | stgraber: so if we published to the Extras PPA today, it would be copied over? | 18:23 |
stgraber | wendar: yes | 18:23 |
wendar | stgraber: excellent | 18:24 |
ajmitch | then for existing packages in the queue (of which there are many), should we switch to targetting them to precise? | 18:25 |
wendar | ajmitch: that's my next question on the agenda | 18:26 |
ajmitch | wendar: right, I'll change the topic for it :) | 18:26 |
ajmitch | #agreed Open extras for packages before precise release | 18:26 |
ajmitch | #topic Should we review existing packages for precise? | 18:26 |
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wendar | I've got a few more lenses/scopes that are specific to Oneiric, but for all other submissions, I'd like to package it for Precise instead. | 18:27 |
wendar | it just seems silly to be releasing new apps on Oneiric two weeks before the Precise release. | 18:27 |
ajmitch | I expect most people will upgrade from oneiric, so if an app builds & works on precise they should go there | 18:27 |
ajmitch | I don't think most submissions indicate which release they're targetting | 18:28 |
highvoltage | ajmitch: but they should, shouldn't they? | 18:28 |
wendar | yeah, I guess if we find into some that only build and run on Oneiric, it's worth considering publishing them to Oneiric, instead of making the developer fix them up | 18:28 |
wendar | highvoltage: we generally just dictate that they all target the current release | 18:29 |
wendar | highvoltage: so, indicating any other release is just a "bug" in their submission, that we fix before shipping it | 18:29 |
highvoltage | ok | 18:30 |
ajmitch | like a recent submission that had maverick in debian/changelog, though it didn't build on oneiric | 18:30 |
ajmitch | ok, I guess we're agreed that it's generally a good idea to do reviews for precise | 18:30 |
ajmitch | #topic Notify developers with published Oneiric apps of process for resubmitting for Precise. | 18:31 |
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ajmitch | wendar: you added this one earlier today, I'm guessing we don't have a large number of applications which should be resubmitted for precise | 18:33 |
wendar | Yup, a pretty small number. | 18:33 |
wendar | This was mainly a follow up to the last two topics. | 18:33 |
wendar | To say: I'll volunteer to send a personal email to everyone who already has an app in Oneiric. | 18:34 |
ajmitch | yeah, cielak was asking about this process as well | 18:34 |
ajmitch | great | 18:34 |
wendar | Telling them that we've opened up the archive for submissions to Precise. | 18:34 |
wendar | And, if they want to get their app in before release, they can do it now. | 18:34 |
ajmitch | will they need to resubmit through myapps, even if it's not a new upstream release? | 18:35 |
wendar | How about we say they can either submit to MyApps, or just contact us on the mailing list? | 18:35 |
ajmitch | or in cases like harmonyseq, should we just bump the version number in the changelog for precise? | 18:36 |
* ajmitch isn't sure if just copying packages in the PPA will work) | 18:36 | |
wendar | I don't think we even need to bump the version number in the changelog, as long as we rebuild with precise as the target in the changelog | 18:36 |
wendar | I mean, bump the version number if we have to make any changes other than the release target | 18:37 |
wendar | but, otherwise, it's just a rebuild | 18:37 |
ajmitch | the debian revision needs changed at least, from ...11.10.1 to 12.04.1 | 18:37 |
stgraber | wendar: well, then we need to bump the version | 18:37 |
stgraber | wendar: as you can't have two binary packages in the repository with the same version but different content | 18:37 |
wendar | stgraber: yeah, true enough | 18:37 |
stgraber | wendar: so we either copy to the new series (and use exactly the same binary package) or we rebuild and then need to bump the version at the same time | 18:37 |
wendar | simple version bump as a "rebuild for precise" | 18:38 |
wendar | I'd rather rebuild than copy the binary package | 18:38 |
* stgraber too | 18:38 | |
ajmitch | ok | 18:39 |
stgraber | so bump to .12.04 and upload for these that don't need any extra change (when told by the developer they want it in precise) | 18:39 |
wendar | ajmitch: that's true, the debian revision has to change, since we have the Ubuntu release version number in the package version string | 18:39 |
ajmitch | #action allison to send a personal email to everyone who already has an app in Oneiric. | 18:39 |
meetingology | ACTION: allison to send a personal email to everyone who already has an app in Oneiric. | 18:39 |
ajmitch | anything else on that one, or do we move onto the big topic about the queue state? :) | 18:40 |
wendar | onward :) | 18:40 |
ajmitch | #topic State Of The Queue | 18:40 |
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ajmitch | so though I had good intentions a week or so ago, I haven't had time to really look at & comment on applications this week, have just casually looked at some recent submissions | 18:41 |
wendar | I've been doing quick replies on the ones that need quick fixes | 18:42 |
ajmitch | the queue length is long, I'm been meaning to work from the top down | 18:42 |
wendar | so, a lot of what's left is either valid source packages (with no debian packaging) | 18:42 |
* ajmitch has some spare time this weekend | 18:42 | |
wendar | or debian packages that need validating for ARB requirements | 18:43 |
wendar | some exceptions to that are the Community Lens | 18:44 |
ajmitch | packages like zeroballistics needs a careful rejection sent, as it looks to be a nice game, gpl source, but it depends on a non-free library | 18:44 |
wendar | ah, yeah, that would be out | 18:44 |
ajmitch | wendar: what's the state of the music lenses in the queue there? | 18:44 |
wendar | I've got a patch back from the developer to fix the final problems | 18:45 |
wendar | so, I just need to integrate that, test, and put them up for vote | 18:45 |
ajmitch | ok | 18:45 |
wendar | I could do that today or tomorrow | 18:45 |
wendar | the community lens is for precise, so no hurry on that one | 18:45 |
* ajmitch would like to be able to get rid of these 'pending qa' items from the list | 18:46 | |
wendar | yeah, that's one of the active bugs, isn't it? | 18:46 |
ajmitch | yep | 18:46 |
ajmitch | the bug is fix committed (iirc) | 18:46 |
wendar | so, just waiting for release? | 18:46 |
wendar | (where release is their server rollout schedule, rather than related to Ubuntu releases) | 18:47 |
ajmitch | I assume so, stgraber may know a few more details about how these bits interact | 18:47 |
wendar | https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-portal/+bug/914667 | 18:47 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 914667 in Developer registration portal "Packages in the ARB process should go directly to Published without going to "Ready to Publish"" [High,Fix committed] | 18:47 |
ajmitch | fix committed 6 weeks ago, maybe it has been rolled out & we can mark them as published :) | 18:49 |
wendar | maybe check with achuni? | 18:50 |
wendar | or, ask in the ticket? | 18:50 |
ajmitch | I'll do that | 18:50 |
wendar | of all the bugs, this one is probably the biggest irritant at the moment | 18:50 |
wendar | cool, thanks | 18:50 |
* ajmitch would probably put that on par with the needs info submissions not showing | 18:50 | |
ajmitch | any other comments on the state of the queue, apart from 'just do it'? | 18:51 |
wendar | a whole bunch of them are new submissions with no packaging | 18:51 |
wendar | but, we agreed a few months ago to only accept new submissions from PPAs | 18:51 |
ajmitch | I'll check for a bug on developer-portal about requiring PPAs at submit time | 18:51 |
wendar | it does now | 18:52 |
wendar | http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/my-apps-packages/ | 18:52 |
wendar | or, at least the instructions are right now | 18:52 |
wendar | I totally think we should do the packaging for the old apps that were submitted before we said we required PPAs | 18:52 |
ajmitch | right, but at the point you submit, does it require a PPA be given? | 18:52 |
wendar | nope, not yet | 18:52 |
wendar | so, I wouldn't reject the apps with no PPA | 18:52 |
ajmitch | ok, I'll check for that one | 18:52 |
wendar | but, I'm thinking it would be a better use of my time to write a step-by-step set of instructions on how to package new apps | 18:53 |
wendar | than to manually do the packaging for the new submissions | 18:53 |
ajmitch | it can be a bit time-consuming :) | 18:53 |
wendar | Aye, and it'll only get more time-consuming as we go on | 18:54 |
wendar | it doesn't scale | 18:54 |
wendar | but, if we could give them a really polite and helpful way to do the packaging themselves, that'd make a difference | 18:54 |
wendar | and would scale better | 18:54 |
ajmitch | the packaging guide still confuses quite a few people | 18:54 |
wendar | also, I think a guide on how to make a tarball would be helpful | 18:54 |
ajmitch | that would help, people are still submitting .jar files | 18:55 |
wendar | the packaging guide is also for the main Ubuntu archives, and not for the ARB requirements | 18:55 |
wendar | so, even when we do get proper debian source packages, we still have to manually edit them | 18:56 |
ajmitch | yep | 18:56 |
wendar | I figure if I condense the instructions I've already sent out individually to a bunch of devs into a few simple wiki pages, it could help us a lot | 18:56 |
ajmitch | it'd help us as well | 18:57 |
ajmitch | thanks for offering to do that | 18:57 |
wendar | cool, I'll do that this weekend | 18:57 |
wendar | and, if you're doing packaging work this weekend, focus on the older submissions, from before the PPA requirement | 18:57 |
ajmitch | I realised I skipped the 'review updated text', but iirc that was an agenda meeting from last time which we resolved? | 18:58 |
wendar | it was new... just a sec let me check what it was... | 18:58 |
wendar | It might have been https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Review | 18:58 |
wendar | specifying the right URL for screenshot images | 18:59 |
ajmitch | the agenda item was about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Review/Guidelines, depending on backported libraries which are new | 18:59 |
wendar | Oh, no, it was backported libraries | 18:59 |
wendar | yeah | 18:59 |
wendar | after discussion on IRC, I added the text: | 19:00 |
wendar | (We're open to considering dependencies on backported libraries, on a case-by-case basis, but only if the backport is a new library and not an updated version of an existing library.) | 19:00 |
wendar | and I just wanted a quick double-check that other folks were okay with that | 19:00 |
ajmitch | imho the text that's been added there is fine | 19:00 |
ajmitch | stgraber, highvoltage: ^ if you have a sec :) | 19:01 |
stgraber | sounds good | 19:02 |
ajmitch | ok | 19:02 |
stgraber | not sure we can assume everyone has -backports in their /etc/apt/sources.list, but since oneiric we do it by default so I guess it'll be fine | 19:02 |
highvoltage | no strong feelings about it here :) | 19:02 |
ajmitch | ok then | 19:03 |
ajmitch | are we up to the AOB point? | 19:03 |
wendar | NOB from here | 19:03 |
ajmitch | the main thing I have is the meeting time - it's that time of year with daylight saving time messes with us | 19:04 |
ajmitch | from next month the meeting time will end up at 6AM on a saturday morning for me, which is a little painful :) | 19:05 |
wendar | that's pretty awful | 19:05 |
ajmitch | it was hard enough getting up for a 7AM meeting this morning, I should have gone to sleep before 2 :) | 19:05 |
highvoltage | ouch | 19:05 |
ajmitch | do we want to sort out a new time here, or on the list so our other team members can comment? | 19:06 |
wendar | probably finalize it on the list, but a first guess here could speed things up | 19:06 |
wendar | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=App+Review+Board+Meeting+&iso=20120330T18 | 19:06 |
wendar | ^ the link to the current meeting time | 19:06 |
ajmitch | an hour or two later works for me | 19:08 |
ajmitch | so 1900UTC or 2000 | 19:08 |
wendar | stgraber, where are you? | 19:08 |
highvoltage | stgraber is on east coast, est time | 19:08 |
ajmitch | highvoltage: you're in the same place, right? | 19:09 |
highvoltage | yep | 19:09 |
wendar | so a little later would probably be fine for both of you | 19:09 |
stgraber | I'm happy with both 1900 or 2000 UTC | 19:09 |
highvoltage | yep | 19:09 |
ajmitch | I think if coolbhavi is able to make it, he's indicated that a slightly later time is better | 19:10 |
stgraber | I'll be in Europe for our next meeting but will probably skip it anyway, so that's fine :) | 19:10 |
wendar | Bhavani doesn't usually make it to the meetings, so I think it's okay not to plan them around Calcutta time | 19:10 |
ajmitch | stgraber: skip it? how could yo? :) | 19:10 |
stgraber | :) | 19:10 |
ajmitch | ok, I'll mail the list about the new suggested time & ask for feedback | 19:11 |
wendar | hmmmm... ajmitch: how about flipping the meeting around to Friday afternoon your time? | 19:11 |
wendar | Friday morning US time? | 19:11 |
ajmitch | wendar: it'd need to be after work for me | 19:11 |
wendar | sorry, backwards | 19:11 |
ajmitch | so from 0500UTC onwards | 19:12 |
wendar | ugh, timezones | 19:12 |
ajmitch | yeah | 19:12 |
wendar | just a sec I'll do meeting planner | 19:12 |
wendar | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html | 19:12 |
ajmitch | I didn't think it'd work well for east coast people then | 19:12 |
ajmitch | UTC+12 is at least easy to convert :) | 19:12 |
wendar | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20120427&p1=137&p2=179&p3=22 | 19:13 |
wendar | ajmitch: it's actually easy enough, as long as you're not also trying to accommodate Europe | 19:13 |
ajmitch | well, we have fagan in europe, but I haven't even seen him on irc for a couple of months | 19:14 |
wendar | yeah, the meetings aren't critical, so might as well optimize the time for the people who attend | 19:14 |
wendar | ajmitch: is Saturday easier than Friday for you? | 19:14 |
ajmitch | yes | 19:14 |
wendar | ajmitch: just not so early? | 19:15 |
ajmitch | just not 6AM | 19:15 |
wendar | ajmitch: like Saturday at 10/11am? | 19:16 |
ajmitch | fine by me | 19:16 |
wendar | that's pushing into Friday night for the US Eastern folks | 19:16 |
wendar | maybe a bit of a drag for personal life | 19:16 |
highvoltage | ok by me if I know about it in advance | 19:17 |
wendar | 9am Auckland is 5pm Eastern | 19:17 |
wendar | 10am Auckland is 6pm Eastern | 19:17 |
wendar | that's late enough for a Saturday sleep in Auckland, but early enough to still go out in US Eastern | 19:18 |
stgraber | hmm, 6pm on a Friday... not sure I'll be around. 5pm is fine though | 19:18 |
* ajmitch doesn't mind 7 or 8 AM | 19:18 | |
ajmitch | so that's why I was suggesting just 1900/2000 if it still suited others | 19:18 |
wendar | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2012&month=4&day=27&hour=21&min=0&sec=0&p1=137&p2=179&p3=22 | 19:18 |
ajmitch | 2pm ok for you? | 19:19 |
wendar | yeah, 2pm is fine for me | 19:19 |
wendar | (pacific time) | 19:19 |
ajmitch | ok | 19:20 |
wendar | 5pm eastern | 19:20 |
wendar | 9am auckland | 19:20 |
ajmitch | seems to work | 19:20 |
ajmitch | last thing is to volunteer a chair for next month | 19:20 |
ajmitch | it'll be about a day after the precise release, fwiw | 19:21 |
wendar | so not stgraber | 19:22 |
wendar | highvoltage? or I'm happy to do one | 19:22 |
ajmitch | up to the 3 of us I think | 19:22 |
stgraber | yeah, I'll be in Europe and I took the post-release Friday off, so definitely not arund :) | 19:22 |
wendar | ajmitch: we shouldn't make you do two in a row | 19:23 |
ajmitch | stgraber: have a drink for us then ;) | 19:23 |
wendar | put me in | 19:23 |
ajmitch | ok, thank you | 19:23 |
ajmitch | with that, I think we're done | 19:23 |
ajmitch | thanks everyone :) | 19:24 |
stgraber | thanks! | 19:24 |
ajmitch | #endmeeting | 19:24 |
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wendar | thanks ajmitch! | 19:25 |
highvoltage | wendar: sorry I got distracted, yep I'm up for it | 19:26 |
highvoltage | (oops you already volunteered, nm then :) ) | 19:26 |
highvoltage | thanks ajmitch | 19:26 |
wendar | highvoltage: no worries, feel free to substitute your name on the Agenda page | 19:27 |
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