[02:48] <bazhang> geitenneukers
[02:48] <bazhang> offensive?
[02:51] <pangolin> I would say so
[02:51] <bazhang> it's alteregoa, so not surprising
[04:45] <Amaranth> @comment 47953 joined and immediately started spamming large quantities of obscene text
[04:45] <Amaranth> Does that not work anymore?
[04:46] <bazhang> its @comment #channel message
[04:52] <syrinx_> where do i go to ask for an unban?
[04:52] <bazhang> here
[04:53] <syrinx_> should I just make my case, or ask for a reprieve now?
[04:53] <bazhang> why were you banned syrinx_ and from which channel
[04:54] <bazhang> a bit busy atm, so forgive me if I am slow in responding
[04:54] <syrinx_> bazhang: I was banned from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic from ikonia, after asking him to "permaban" me
[04:54] <syrinx_> and in my defense, I asked to be banned from #u-o, not #ubunutu
[04:55] <syrinx_> also in my defense, I understand what I did wrong, and wish to be unbanned from #u-o as well.
[04:56] <bazhang> which was?
[04:56] <syrinx_> I said something in #u-o that was inappropriate, sure. i protested with ikonia about it, and it got to the point where i requested a permaban.
[04:56] <syrinx_> i figured he would only ban me from #u-o, not #ubuntu as well
[04:57] <syrinx_> i used to help out alot in #ubuntu, and never broke its rules.
[04:57] <syrinx_> I also note that just before this, I signed the CoC and applied for "ops"
[05:02] <syrinx_> I would also make the case that, quite a few people in here, including you, bazhang, would forgive me of this small foul-up.
[05:02] <bazhang> syrinx_, still checking the ban tracker, am a bit busy with some massive spam flood issues
[05:03] <syrinx_> of course, carry on with your business.
[05:25] <bazhang> syrinx_, none of the -ot operators seem to be around right now that I can tell. perhaps if you check back in a bit some will turn up
[05:25] <bazhang> apologies for being less than attentive
[05:27] <syrinx_> should I stay here, or just leave and come back tomorrow?
[05:33] <bazhang> syrinx_, your ban in #ubuntu has been removed. as far as -ot should be a couple of hours if you wish to return then (we dont encourage idlers here)
[05:34] <syrinx_> bazhang: thanks!
[05:37] <Tm_T> hm
[05:38] <Tm_T> bazhang: you got banmask for -ot?
[05:40] <bazhang>  *!*@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893    Tm_T
[05:40] <Tm_T> danke
[05:40] <bazhang> prego
[08:54] <mrmist> silly floodbot
[10:20] <LjL> hmm, so #bash recommends against the !ABS. they have http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide instead
[10:21] <Jordan_U> I trust #bash, and I personally like http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide. I hadn't heard of ABS until just now.
[10:22] <Myrtti> well abs is in package management...
[10:22] <LjL> !-abs
[10:22] <LjL> !bash
[10:23] <LjL> well http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide  is linked from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[10:23] <Myrtti> I'm not taking a stance for or against abs, I'm just commenting it is in the repos
[10:24] <LjL> !abs
[10:24] <LjL> add "a simpler guide can be found at  http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide"?
[10:26] <Jordan_U> Well if it's really as bad as the #bash factoid says it is then we shouldn't be linking to ABS at all.
[10:27] <LjL> yet it's well more comprehensive
[10:27] <Jordan_U> For the benefit of others, that in #bash !abs returns: The infamous "Advanced" Bash Scripting Guide should be avoided unless you know how to filter out the junk. It will teach you to write bugs, not scripts. In that light, the BashGuide was written: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
[10:33] <Jordan_U> I haven't found anything terrible yet myself from a quick overview, but they don't quote variables as much as I'd like and this is certainly wrong along with other comments in the same area:  "#! can be omitted if the script consists only of a set of generic system commands, using no internal shell directives. The second example, above, requires the initial #!, since the variable assignment line, lines=50, uses a shell-specific construct. [7] Note ...
[10:33] <Jordan_U> ... again that #!/bin/sh invokes the default shell interpreter, which defaults to /bin/bash on a Linux machine."
[10:34] <Tm_T> urgh
[10:35] <Tm_T> no, sh is just sh, not bash, one cannot rely on that ever
[10:35]  * Tm_T goes nuts
[10:35] <popey> no, sh points to dash on ubuntu
[10:35] <Jordan_U> Exactly.
[10:35] <popey> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Mar 29 19:53 /bin/sh -> dash
[10:36] <Tm_T> popey: yup, my point being if someone uses sh, it's sh, doesn't matter if it happens to be bash, dash or anything
[10:36] <Tm_T> if someone uses bash then, one have to make sure it's really bash and not "just some sh"
[10:36] <popey> well, i think they're just making an assumption
[10:36] <popey> which was fairly accurate 4 years ago
[10:37] <Tm_T> one shouldn't assume that ever
[10:37] <Tm_T> if you ask me
[10:38] <Tm_T> and I'll stop now before I begin ranting about assuming browsers uses white backgroung and black text by default (:
[10:38] <Myrtti> oh I know that
[10:38] <popey> hence "fairly accurate" and not "accurate"
[10:38] <Myrtti> don't let me start on that
[10:38] <popey> people have black background on their browsers!? :D
[10:38]  * Myrtti goes to write to offbeathome.com editors
[10:38]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti tightly to prevent her starting on thaty
[10:38] <Tm_T> -y
[10:39] <Tm_T> popey: yes?
[10:39] <Tm_T> popey: or red, or green, or whatever
[10:39] <popey> oddballs ☺
[10:41] <Jordan_U> I vote for not linking to this guide, based on the strong words from #bash (whose advice I trust highly) and additionally supported by my being able to find something wrong enough to almost encite an op to rant while skimming through it at 3:40 AM :)
[10:41] <popey> hah
[10:42] <Myrtti> popey: well I subscribe to offbeathome.com RSS on my Google Reader. My phone pulls that feed from google reader to an app with black background and white text. They've been mucking something up and so I can see only the pictures on my phone, and an odd link here and there, the rest is black.
[10:45] <Tm_T> yeah, if you define text colour, define background too
[10:46] <Tm_T> (best is to not define them at all if possible)
[11:07] <syrinx_> so...the system doesnt work?
[11:11] <Tm_T> what system doesn't work?
[11:12] <Tm_T> and hi syrinx_
[11:14] <syrinx_> hi Tm_T
[11:15] <syrinx_> apparently, ikonia doesn's feel that I deserve to be unbanned from #u-o
[11:15] <syrinx_> so he re-banned me
[11:15] <Tm_T> we evaluate the situation based on the information we have in that moment, if new information is gained at later point, we re-evaluate ofcourse.
[11:15] <Tm_T> makes sense?
[11:16] <syrinx_> sure
[11:16] <syrinx_> i'm inclined to believe this is more of a personal vendetta, though]
[14:48] <bazhang> anyone eat cheese?
[14:49] <bazhang> please tell me this type, oh and I use ubuntu so its on topic
[14:49]  * genii-around sprays the whole can of Easy Cheese at bazhang
[14:50] <bazhang> :0
 u can help me how to run ubuntu like in my windows
[14:54] <bazhang> after he announces he's going back to windows
[15:01] <bazhang> getting a bit annoyed at the cross posters from +1 asking for help in #u
[15:02] <bazhang> ask...wait five seconds...crosspost...I didnt get any help!!
[15:02] <ikonia> tedious
[15:03] <ikonia> people expect the pre-production systems to be production ready too soon
[15:03] <bazhang> sliptees has been told numerous times about this, yet persists
[15:03] <bazhang> why would someone use early beta if not to fix things
[15:04] <ikonia> this is the issue, they don't want to fix things, they want it to be production ready and you to have answers to their problems
[15:04] <Pici> they want to be on the bleeding edge.
[15:04] <ikonia> but want the stability of non-bleeding edge
[15:11] <mneptok> same thing most people want from a relationship.
[15:31] <bazhang> !de-offtopic
[15:31] <Pici> !offtopic-#ubuntu-de
[15:31] <Pici> :/
[15:34]  * genii-around gets "There is no nonsence Deutschspachlige here, unless you want to banniert nature. Actually, I will be your bannieren anyway." from the online translator
[16:41] <fujisan> i refuse to accept it
[16:41] <fujisan> i am here to protest
[16:41] <fujisan> the injustice which occurred in #ubuntu-nl-offtopic
[16:42] <bazhang> fujisan, thats -irc not here
[16:42] <bazhang> augh
[16:47] <fujisan> still protesting in silence now :-x
[16:47] <bazhang> fujisan, #ubuntu-irc for this