[07:51] <andrejz> hello dpm!
[07:52] <andrejz> do you have time for the bug report template?
[07:52] <andrejz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Universe_Translations_in_LP
[07:52] <dpm> hi andrejz, good morning :)
[07:52] <dpm> andrejz, probably not today, but might have some over the weekend
[07:54] <andrejz> i just need a starting point and then maybe i will be able to continue myself. I am not sure about the technicalities
[07:54] <andrejz> so i am not sure what to put in
[07:55] <dpm> andrejz, ah, wait, I can probably send you an e-mail with some details, give me a minute
[07:56] <andrejz> that would be great
[08:06] <dpm> andrejz, ok, I found the instructions and saw that it wouldn't take me too long, so I've just added them on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Universe_Translations_in_LP - I've updated my action on Trello, so it's over to you now :)
[08:11] <andrejz> ok, i guess i will manually copy and paste this text into a bug report for each package and then add those to the wiki
[08:12] <dpm> andrejz, I've noticed gdm is on the list. I'm not sure I'd add it, as I'm not too sure how well maintained it is now that we use lightdm
[08:13] <andrejz> also chromium is already translatable, isn't it?
[08:14] <andrejz> seems to be
[08:14] <andrejz> https://translations.launchpad.net/chromium-browser
[08:15] <dpm> andrejz, yes, but that one definitely needs to be removed from the list, as it doesn't use gettext and we cannot ship its translations in language packs :(
[08:17] <andrejz> currently launchpad package search are timing out on me but i will try to get it mostly done over the weekend and deal with additionally added packages early next week
[08:53] <artnay> andrejz: chromium's translations aren't maintained (on LP) anymore. I don't know where the translations are being done, probably Google's translators take care of them. see http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=55788
[08:54] <artnay> https://launchpad.net/chromium-browser should mention that the translations from LP won't be used. or the translations should be disabled. I see tens of languages are still being translated... for no good reason.
[08:55] <artnay> really waste of effort
[08:57] <dpm> artnay, that bug date is previous to chromium being translatable in Launchpad. Translations in Launchpad were set up by a community member, but unfortunately he's moved on until then. They can be used in the Ubuntu Chromium package, so it makes sense to have them there, but there is no one that takes care to send them upstream, as it used to happen in the past
[08:58] <artnay> dpm: but the latest reply from evan isn't.
[08:58] <artnay> dpm: and I'm not even sure if the translations are being used in ubuntu's current chromium packages.
[08:58] <dpm> artnay, the latest reply from evan does not offer any context at all
[08:59] <dpm> I've just pinged the current chromium maintainer to make sure, let's see if we can find out more...
[08:59] <artnay> dpm: and the dates at https://translations.launchpad.net/chromium-browser don't suggest the template is even maintained anymore.
[09:00] <andrejz> i think in general it would be a good idea to announce this changes
[09:01] <andrejz> there was a big announcement when chromium was available for translations in LP but now when it seems it's not being sent upstream anymore it wasn't really clear (or at least I didn't know it until artnay pointed it out a few minutes ago)
[09:02] <artnay> andrejz: more importantly, the template isn't updated from upstream source
[09:02] <dpm> andrejz, yes, I agree, but I can't have an eye on everything :) I also got notice quite a while after fta quit maintaining the chromium package, and would have appreciated a short heads up message to translators
[09:03] <artnay> well the import/export system was done by fta, now it probably only needs a maintainer
[09:04] <artnay> maybe that should be pointed out at the bug I linked above
[09:08] <andrejz> sure dpm
[09:08] <andrejz> i understand your point. But maybe in the future if someone steps up for mainting package like fta did we can ask them to let us know if/when the things change
[09:09] <andrejz> noboby is able to keep an eye on everything so the developers themselves should let us know
[09:09] <dpm> yeah, but that's what we generally expect from all contributors. Even if it's a volunteer contribution, it's ok to step down, but gracefully
[09:10] <dpm> artnay, +1, as usual, it just needs someone who cares for the project to step up and take action
[09:17] <dpm> I'm talking with micahg right now, and it seems we might be able to put the Chromium infrastructure back in place, although there is no ETA yet
[09:18] <dpm> I've added an action on the Trello board for me to check
[09:25] <dpm> andrejz, sent you and mvo an e-mail to start the ball rolling on universe translations for Synaptic
[09:33] <andrejz> yeah i saw it
[09:33] <andrejz> thanks
[09:33] <andrejz> you think we should first mail the maintainers or start with bug reports?
[09:45] <dpm> andrejz, I think I would talk to a few maintainers first, to get a feel for what they think. I remember a while ago we started filing bugs for all packages which needed to include translations before NonLanguagePackDeadline without having talked to maintainers first, and most of them got rejected, which was a bit of a wasted effort. I'd like to avoid repeating that again.
[09:45] <andrejz> ok, makes sense
[09:46] <dpm> Do you think you could find out the maintainers for the packages and update the list? Then we can perhaps contact 3 or 4 and decide on the next step
[09:46] <andrejz> sure i can do that but currently Launchpad search is timeouting on me
[09:47] <andrejz> when i try to perform a package search so i don't know when launchpad will allow me to do it
[09:47] <dpm> ah, no worries. When LP is back for you, here's the URL where you can find out about the maintainers:
[09:48] <dpm> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<nameofthepackage>
[09:48] <dpm> e.g.
[09:48] <dpm> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic
[09:49] <andrejz> cool, i will do it over the weekend
[09:49] <dpm> If the maintainer is ubuntu-core-dev, you might have to dig out a bit deeper and look at the changelogs for the latest uploaders, e.g.
[09:49] <dpm> (just click on the package link on that page ^)
[09:49] <dpm> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/0.75.7
[10:00] <andrejz> hm
[10:01] <andrejz> for some packages it's not very clear who is maintainer (for example xfce4-power-manager) - but in this case i guess i can contact people substribed to all it's bugs instead
[10:06] <dpm> andrejz, you can look at the changelogs as pointed out above ^
[10:06] <dpm> e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/1.0.10-5ubuntu2
[10:07] <dpm> or look for the Xubuntu project lead
[10:07] <andrejz> yeah i will do that
[10:08] <dpm> cool
[10:08] <andrejz> need to work real job thing a bit right now, but will do it over the weekend
[10:08] <andrejz> dpm i also sent you a bit unrelated email and would appriciate it if you look at it when you have time
[10:08] <dpm> thanks for your work on this. I think translators (and users!) will love to have those apps translatable
[10:09] <andrejz> indeed
[10:09] <andrejz> that's why we are doing it
[10:09] <dpm> andrejz, ok cool, got your e-mail and will reply to it
[10:11] <andrejz> thanks dpm, i know odds are against me but felt like i needed to ask
[10:15] <dpm> no worries :), I've quickly replied to some of it in private
[10:55] <dpm> andrejz, btw, good work on Slovenian translations. As you're at 100%, I usually use your stats to see if there has been any user interface freeze break :)
[10:55] <dpm> http://91.189.93.77/stats/precise/sl
[11:01] <TLE> dpm: how is it, are the items on the list on your translation stat web app sorted in the same way as in lp, i.e. in some sort of prioritized order?
[11:02] <andrejz> TLE
[11:02] <andrejz> no
[11:02] <andrejz> it's in order of remaining strings i think
[11:02] <andrejz> at least on the main one
[11:02] <TLE> D'oh!
[11:03] <TLE> ahh yes it would seems so, I've actually got en education with in the natural sciences, so don't tell anybody about this ;)
[11:03] <andrejz> dpm, yes i commited translations from upstream gnome immediately after string freeze and it helped a lot
[11:03] <andrejz> TLE your secret is safe with me;) (but not with IRC logs, sadly )
[11:03] <dpm> TLE, as andrejz is saying, right now they are prioritized by untranslated. I'm planning to sort them on priority (it's relatively trivial), but I haven't found the time yet and there are other things I want to get addressed before that, so it's a bit on the bottom of my priorities list
[11:04] <TLE> andrejz: do you know when we can expect them to trickle down there on their own, the translations from official gnome release I mean?
[11:04] <andrejz> they won't
[11:04] <TLE> they won't??????
[11:04] <andrejz> according to the docs team
[11:05] <dpm> I think you guys are talking about different things :)
[11:05] <andrejz> a couple of days ago they said they don't have the infrstructure to commit translations
[11:05] <TLE> yeah, I'm talking about just the GUI translations from gnome 3.4
[11:05] <TLE> when they will have arrived inlp
[11:05] <dpm> they should be there already or about to, I think
[11:05] <dpm> packages were uploaded already iirc
[11:05] <dpm> for 3.4.0
[11:06] <TLE> greeeat stuf, has to do a motivational email to the translation team to keep pushing on ubuntu how that gnome is out the door
[11:06] <andrejz> TLE those are in for a while now
[11:06] <dpm> as per the ubuntu-docs, what andrejz means is that the ubuntu-docs team is not using the GNOME docs translations
[11:06] <TLE> ah ok
[11:06] <andrejz> they used them only the first
[11:07] <andrejz> first time
[11:07] <dpm> I'd like to help them, but I don't actually understand how they merge the content from gnome
[11:07] <andrejz> but are now only updating .pot using strings from upstream
[11:07] <andrejz> dpm it's trivial
[11:07] <andrejz> at least manually
[11:07] <andrejz> you take gnome .po file
[11:07] <andrejz> add lanunchpad header stuff so launchpad will swallow it and upload
[11:09] <dpm> yeah, what I mean is that I don't know which PO file or files to fetch. If it's just one PO file, the docs team should simply be able to fetch and commit them, but I suspect it's not that easy
[11:09] <andrejz> it's just one po file
[11:10] <dpm> do you know which one is it? (I haven't been translating gnome docs for quite a while)
[11:10] <andrejz> http://l10n.gnome.org/module/gnome-user-docs/
[11:10] <dpm> oh, so it just needs a script to:
[11:11] <dpm> - Fetch translations
[11:11] <dpm> Err, I should be more detailed:
[11:11] <dpm> - Fetch upstream translations from the right branch on http://l10n.gnome.org/module/gnome-user-docs/
[11:12] <dpm> - Merge them with those in the lp:ubuntu-docs branch
[11:13] <andrejz> that would be greast
[11:13] <andrejz> i mean i can commit them but i prefer if i don't have to do that. and some people don't know about this
[11:13] <andrejz> i know a russian translator was frustrated about this for 11.10
[11:14] <dpm> yeah, I remember, frustrated is to put it mildly, if I remember correctly the amount of swear words he used ;)
[11:15] <dpm> it should be trivial to write such a script, but I most definitely won't have the time to help on this this cycle
[11:15] <dpm> In case there are any takers I've put it as an idea on the Trello board
[11:15] <dpm> https://trello.com/board/translations-team/4f621c87861db54230b9ca39
[11:15] <andrejz> maybe we can post it on translators mailing list if there is any taker
[11:16] <TLE> this is for the ubuntu help translation, right?
[11:17] <dpm> yes
[11:17] <TLE> but, ok, stupid question, is the Ubuntu Help based on the content of the gnome docs?
[11:17] <TLE> gnome-user-doc I should say
[11:18] <dpm> TLE, it's not a stupid question. It is based on gnome's docs, plus additional Ubuntu-specific content
[11:18] <dpm> and some branding changes
[11:18] <TLE> ok, because otherwise, just blindly importing string might not be a good idea
[11:19] <dpm> TLE, I agree, that's why I mentioned the PO files should be merged ^
[11:20] <dpm> A python script that accepts a parameter for the upstream branch to fetch, checks out the right lp:ubuntu-docs branch and that calls msgmerge properly should probably do
[11:20] <andrejz> TLE
[11:20] <andrejz> i am translating both
[11:21] <andrejz> and they are essentially the same
[11:21] <dpm> andrejz, actually, that's a good idea. Would you be up for sending that e-mail to the list?
[11:21] <TLE> dpm: agreed
[11:21] <andrejz> just activities overview is changed with the dash
[11:21] <andrejz> and some other UI specific changes
[11:22] <andrejz> i manually uploaded gnome help and number on unstranslated strings went from 840 to 250
[11:22] <andrejz> so it's definetly worth it
[11:29] <dpm> Oh, btw, I finally got round to create a proper project for the translations stats instead of the code living in a +junk branch. Feel free to submit bugs, code and (once I've enabled them) translations!
[11:29] <dpm>     https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations-stats
[11:34] <dpm> ok, going for a break, brb
[11:40] <artnay> hmm, I wonder if bug 968290 was actually fixed (to use translated theme names)
[11:41] <TLE> dpm: when you return, what subset of the packages in precise in launchpad are in your list?
[12:09] <dpm> TLE, it's explained on the link at the bottom of the stats page -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Stats#UbuntuTranslationStatistics - in short, I'm filtering out anything that's not shipped by default on the ISO and anything below a certain priority threshold (I think it's 3499)
[12:21] <dpm> artnay, I'm not sure. Seeing the changelog, it seems only the (default) string has been marked for translations. Please feel free to report your findings in the bug
[12:35] <andrejz> dpm, sent emails to xubuntu and lubuntu developers
[12:40] <dpm> cool, thanks andrejz!
[12:42] <vibhavp> If I create a locaized CD image in a PPA, where will it be stored?
[12:46] <dpm> hi vibhavp, every LoCo team should be responsible for storing it for now
[12:46] <dpm> check out the FAQ on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/LocalizedImagesRollout
[12:54] <andrejz> dpm is it possible you update the contributors list before the release
[12:55] <andrejz> we just got some new translators and i know they would feel very bad if they weren't on the list
[12:55] <dpm> andrejz, definitely, that is the plan. The current list was only a proof-of-concept to see if everything worked, and it will be updated before release.
[12:56] <andrejz> ok
[12:56] <dpm> It's the final unchecked point of my TODO for that on the translations Trello board, so don't worry, it will be updated :)
[13:05] <artnay> dpm: hey, could you import the latest Finnish ubuntu-docs translations to http://91.189.93.101/index.html ? thanks!
[13:07] <artnay> dpm: can't see the latest revision here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/gnome-control-center/precise/changes - I'll check it out later and reopen the bug if needed
[13:15] <dpm> artnay, sure, can you send the latest PO to me?, or shall I just get it from bzr?
[13:22] <artnay> dpm: I sent the link to your ubuntu.com address
[13:22] <TLE> dpm: thanks
[13:23] <dpm> artnay, cool, thanks. If it's just a url, feel free to paste it here too
[13:25] <dpm> nevermind, got it now
[13:27] <dpm> ok, building pages now, it will be online in ~5 min
[13:34] <dpm> artnay, updated -> http://91.189.93.101/
[13:37] <artnay> dpm: thanks
[13:39] <vibhavp> dpm: I meant , if I build the CD Image using a PPA where will the image be stored
[13:40] <vibhavp> I am building it currently, and will soon store it on my server
[13:40] <dpm> vibhavp, ah, I don't know the exact location off the top of my head, but it will be a .iso file in one of the directories of the build
[13:41] <vibhavp> ok
[13:41] <vibhavp> Then Ill store it on my server
[13:41] <dpm> vibhavp, cool, let me know how it goes. If you need more technical details, you can also talk to pitti on the #ubuntu-desktop IRC channel
[13:42] <vibhavp> sure
[13:46] <sagaci> yeah you just get an iso file in the directory you build it in
[17:35] <kelemengabor> artnay: you are right about bug 968290, only the "default" string appeared on LP