Azelphurali1234: figure you may know this one, what's the cheapest way for me to get a small screen to display a QR Code and a number?01:35
Azelphurthat's it's whole life mission, to display QR Codes and numbers.01:36
ali1234get an android phone?01:39
Azelphurali1234: yea, I'm thinking perhaps android displaying a webpage with maybe websockets or ajax or something01:40
ali1234the cheapest way is probably a box of crayons01:40
ali1234need more information to give a reasonable response01:41
Azelphurali1234: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNpcf9rSBIk01:41
Azelphurso it's soul mission in life would be to be small enough to fit on a counter, and do <qr code> <amount>01:42
ali1234just use the android app?01:43
ali1234also "now wait an hour for 6 confirmations"01:43
ali1234i installed the android wallet app a few days ago, it's still downloading the blockchain01:45
Azelphurali1234: huh?01:45
Azelphurali1234: you don't need to wait for confs on small payments01:45
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MooDoomorning all06:52
DJonesUgh, I hate xchat when I can't use ssh to connect to my irssi instance07:20
brobostigongood morning everyone,07:24
TheOpenSourcererHa, I love it when people do stuff just because "they can". Ubuntu booting in 6hrs on a 6.5Khz system http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/6-5khz-computer-boots-ubuntu-in-6-hours-20120329/07:39
TheOpenSourcererHow the Reading Happy Hour then daubers? Was it Happy?07:39
daubersTheOpenSourcerer: 'twas good07:40
daubersAlways good to see people again, and some new faces too07:40
TheOpenSourcererShame I couldn't make it, but my missus was at a rehearsal07:41
DJonesTheOpenSourcerer, Reading that article, amd that was only to a bash/terminal prompt, maybe they're still waiting for it to the unity desktop07:41
xplora1aAlanBell: popey thanks for Ubuntu happy hour last night. Sorry I had to go early.07:59
popeyxplora1a: was fun wasn't it ☺08:03
bigcalmGood morning peoples :)08:22
MooDoobigcalm: sorry can't talk i'm panic buying things ;)08:25
bigcalmBuy choc-ices08:25
DJonesMooDoo, Your car won't run on pasties08:32
JamesTaitHappy Friday, everyone! :)08:32
MartijnVdS\o/ Friday08:34
oimonglad i don't watch/read the general news..no idea what everyone's talking about with pasties and petrol08:37
oimonthis "don't break precise" mentality is really working as loads of people seem to be running (and therefore testing) the betas for their daily work, rather than boot for an hour and try to break stuff08:42
MartijnVdSoimon: Precise breaks all by itself, I don't have to help it.08:45
MartijnVdSWell unity does08:45
oimon:P more than 11.10?08:45
oimondid you just fart popey?08:47
oimoninstalling android 4.0.4 on my tablet \o/08:50
oimonMartijnVdS, yes08:59
DJonesoimon, Which tablet08:59
DJonesoimon, Mine is on 4.0.309:00
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oimonhttp://ubuntuone.com/5zflrLQQpKjrICtfOiTBO5 << MartijnVdS DJones09:04
oimonhp touchpad09:04
DJonesAh, mine's the Asus prime, 4.0.3 is the default manufacturers version09:05
oimonnever seen one up close in the wild09:06
DJonesTis nice09:06
oimoncan you run ubuntu natively on it ?09:06
DJonesIts supposed to run, I saw a couple of videos saying it would09:06
oimonif so, it would be a future laptop for me09:07
DJonesbigcalm, http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57405986-1/android-4.0.4-allegedly-bound-for-motorola-xoom-wi-fi/09:07
popeyubuntu isn't great on transformers09:09
gordi still think people are talking about robots in disguise when people mention transformers09:12
bigcalmDJones: good news yes, but doesn't say when09:13
bigcalmgord: hence the legal debate09:14
DJonesI did wonder how well any tablet would run ubuntu, I would have thought memory limitations would put pressure on it09:14
gordtablets have a lorra lorra memory these days09:14
popeyLORRA LORRA!09:15
DJonesgord, Still only 1gb ram, the rest is "disk" storage09:15
gordlorra lorra blinda data09:15
* DJones wonders when cilla black became popey (or vice versa)09:16
DJonespopey, With your comment about ubuntu on the prime, are you aware if there is any official development for it?09:19
Myrttitheme tune of the day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w09:24
popeyDJones: define "official"?09:25
popeyI didn't mention the prime btw, just "transformer"09:25
DJonesAh, sorry, I read it as transformer prime09:25
TheOpenSourcererLooking forward to this tomorrow: http://www.saracensatwembley.com/ :-)09:25
TheOpenSourcererAmazed they have sold 75000 tickets. Going to be a big day. Think my younguns will enjoy the atmosphere...09:27
DJonespopey, I guess by "official" I was looking at tablet versions sponsored/developed by canonical (not specifically for the prime/asus)09:29
DJonesWas just looking at this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/ubuntu-tablet-to-compete-with-android-ios/ so I think that answers that question anyway09:30
daubersDoes anyone know any VDA type apps for andorid?09:34
oimonxorg regularly uses nearly all cpu on this machine :( think i'll try another grpahics card09:34
daubersoimon: Or build a new windowing system :p09:35
popeyDJones: nothing yet09:45
popeybug 96902309:45
lubotu3Launchpad bug 969023 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "(over)filling password field makes logon difficult" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96902309:45
popeyanyone fancy trying to reproduce that?09:45
czajkowskilet me log out09:47
popeyyou need to mash loads of keys into it09:47
gordwould anyone yell at me if i blocked the spotify indicator in unity?09:47
popeyits unnecessary now its in the sound menu09:47
popeyso long as you fix keyboard binding too ☺09:48
czajkowskipopey: confirmed09:48
czajkowskigord: if you filt the alt key I'll never both you again09:48
gordalt key seems fine for me09:49
czajkowskigord: you don't use screen do you :)09:49
AlanBellgord steals alt keys from guest VMs09:49
czajkowskifor people who use screen in irssi it's a woeful pain in the you know whattis09:49
TheOpenSourcererMorning AlanBell. How's the head today?09:51
AlanBellfine fine09:51
TheOpenSourcererJolly Dee.09:51
popeyczajkowski: works for me09:52
popeyczajkowski: what keyboard shortcut does it steal?09:52
czajkowskiin screen in irssi it keeps popping the hud open :.09:53
popey10:52:27 < popey> czajkowski: what keyboard shortcut does it steal?09:53
popeyI use Alt+Numbers and ALT+a a lot09:54
BigRedSczajkowski: it's less bad in the latest unity09:54
BigRedSthat was irritating the hell out of me on Sunday09:54
BigRedSand then I dist-upgraded and it irritated me less frequently09:55
czajkowskipopey: alt numbers/letters09:57
czajkowskiI did dis upgrade this morning09:57
BigRedSand arrow keys, it was terminator it was annoying me for09:57
AlanBellczajkowski: you can use escape instead of alt as the irssi modifier09:57
BigRedSI think I did still end up setting the hud key to some daft combination in the end09:57
BigRedSwhich was a shame, I was sort-of getting in to using it. But not by enough to start breaking other muscle-memory09:58
AlanBellit is kind of annoying when trying to test ubuntu in a VM and do screencasts of it etc, when you try to demo the HUD and hit alt to bring it up and the host HUD decides to steal the alt key09:59
czajkowskiAlanBell: oh didnt know that thanks, but that feels all sorts of wrong to change windows09:59
AlanBellczajkowski: I got used to it a while ago, escape is closer to the numbers10:00
czajkowskiAlanBell: will give it a try and see it's when I go to alt l m b that esc seems very odd10:01
davmor2morning all10:07
AlanBellpopey: bug 96904410:11
lubotu3Launchpad bug 969044 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) ""try ubuntu" button launches unity 3d when orca is running" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96904410:11
czajkowskiok does anyone here use their @ubuntu.com address on a ubuntu mailman lists?10:16
czajkowskiare you able to send and receive them ?10:16
popeyi dont10:18
czajkowskiI am a litle baffled by a question since yesterday10:20
* czajkowski goes to try and dig further 10:20
popeywhat question?10:22
popeywhy does he think his address is domino@ubuntu.com ?10:26
popeyit will be jhosman@ubuntu.com10:26
bigcalmDamn, not good to crave pizza10:27
czajkowskiBigRedS: shh I just got papa johns sms offering free pizza10:27
czajkowskibigcalm: ^^^10:28
* bigcalm tickles czajkowski with a tab typo ;)10:28
czajkowskiautocomplete is gonna land me in hot bother one of these days10:28
bigcalmcz<tab> I agree10:28
czajkowskipopey: aye :/ but he does say it works wiht gmail10:28
popeyczajkowski: i dont actually understand what he's saying there10:29
popeythe first problem is he's using the wrong address10:30
czajkowskiaye am just replying that bit10:30
czajkowskiand see if he understands10:30
popeyubuntu addresses are "launchpad_id@ubuntu.com"10:30
popeyhttps://launchpad.net/~domino (who is not a member) would have that address10:31
* davmor2 now thinks that czajkowski new job is that of a digger :D10:37
MooDoodavmor2: gold variety? ;)10:40
davmor2MooDoo: can see a trip to the naughty step in MooDoo 's future :D10:41
MooDoodavmor2: another case of opening up mouth before thinking10:41
davmor2MooDoo: whenever I see czajkowski say I'll dig into that, it reminds me of crocodile dundee 2  when leroy brown: I deliver stuff, cd: What kinda stuff, LB: Erasers pens paper, CD: And that heavy s**t, LB: No I'm strickly legit, you dig, CD: Yeap, is that part of the job, LB:WHAT?, CD: Diggin'10:45
davmor2only problem now is I want to watch Crocodile Dundee :D10:47
* AlanBell has borked broadband :(10:59
TheOpenSourcererOh dear. And on invoicing day too...11:00
AlanBellyeah, tethering with gprs now, not fun :(11:00
jussiAlanBell: borked broadband?? is that a new brand :D11:00
n1md4BigRedS: Do you want to hear a joke?   .... I'm running Ubuntu on my G4 ;D11:05
n1md4... and KDE on the VAIO :>11:05
kirrusn1md4: BigRedS just went to the shops11:06
chamboIs anyone with experience of LDAP auth and SSL here?11:07
popeyAlanBell: just tested your bug. on screen keyboard boots to 3d, orca screen reader boots to 2d11:13
popeyhmm, i may have the wrong iso11:15
popeybah, yes, old iso11:16
chamboMy bad - ldap fixed11:17
AlanBellpopey: how did you start orca?11:20
AlanBellctrl+s or from the panel menu?11:20
popeyAlanBell: i started from the boot screen11:22
popeyAlanBell: but it was an old iso, now trynig from ubuntu 12.04 beta 211:22
popeyAlanBell: Man = Keyboard, F5, Screen reader, "try ubuntu"11:23
AlanBelloh, don't do that11:23
AlanBellnew way is sit and wait until you hear the drums, then ctrl+s11:23
popeythis works11:24
AlanBellif you can see the man, yes11:24
popeywho defined this "new way" ?11:24
MartijnVdSPeople :)11:25
AlanBellit was that way in oneiric11:25
popeyok, ctrl+s opens orca screen reader11:25
popeynow what?11:25
ali1234df -h11:31
* AlanBell wants fixed networking :(11:35
MartijnVdSAlanBell: did it break? how?11:58
AlanBellam I back?12:07
TheOpenSourcereryou appear to be12:07
AlanBellyay \o/12:07
n1md4kirrus: Hey  :)12:36
kirrushey n1md4.12:39
BigRedSn1md4: what? There's still a Ubuntu PPC?12:39
BigRedSand KDE?12:40
popeyhttp://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/precise/ suggests yes12:41
BigRedSoh yeah12:42
BigRedSHaha, I think I was surprised by that about a year ago, too12:42
BigRedSthat's not a canonical one is it?12:42
popeyi dunno what the status is12:44
dvdrwIs PPC mac hardware?12:44
kirrusdvdrw: it's the old processor arch they used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC12:45
kirruskitsos: hello12:45
kitsoscan i ask you something?12:46
dvdrwprior to Intel12:46
popey!ask | kitsos12:46
lubotu3kitsos: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience12:46
popey(so yes)12:46
kitsosok i am sorry.Well i have install apache2 in my computer and now i want to restart it "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart" the command but how can i find the "etc" i dont know where i saved it12:48
dvdrwetc is just a directory12:48
kitsosyes but what should i put there12:49
brobostigonls /etc/init.d    to get the right name.12:49
brobostigonor use service, ie, "sudo service apache2 restart"12:49
dvdrwI just use "service apache2 restart"12:49
ali1234i just look sizeways at apache and it restarts12:50
kitsos:D Thank you guys12:50
dvdrwanother success story12:50
kirrusali1234:really? what do you do to it? We have hundreds of machines running it happily ;)12:51
ali1234run it on a server with not enough ram i guess12:52
ali1234cd ..12:52
kirrusali1234: use monit to restart it when ram gets low then :)12:52
BigRedSor use lighttpd13:02
kitsosDrupal is good?13:06
popeydepends what you want to use it for13:08
kitsoswell actually i wanna make a website like dailmotion youtube and give the permission to users to upload videos!13:14
bigcalmYou could probably achieve that with any CMS plus plugins. Drupal is OTT for a lot of things in my opinion though13:16
bigcalmMight be suited to your needs13:16
dvdrwlike youdoubled?13:16
kitsosyes like that but there is something else i dont remember the name :/13:18
kitsoswell i am begginer on linux i had install apache and all of this things on windows xp but with a friend.13:21
arsendrupal is quite involved, but very good.13:25
kitsosdrupal is a web builder how we call it?13:29
bigcalmDrupal is a Content Management System13:30
oimonand quite complicated13:32
kitsoswell can you tell me more Content Management System13:32
ali1234drupal seems to be designed around the idea of supporting a consultancy business13:33
ali1234it's very enterprisey13:33
kirrusshort version, it gives you a web-gui to edit sites... wikipedia's got long version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_management_system13:33
kitsosthere is only drupal?13:38
TheOpenSourcererkitsos: Take a look at Joomla! too. It is somewhat easier to build websites in than Drupal but is still quite flexible due to the huge number of addons available.13:41
TheOpenSourcererdirecthex: Yes, Wordpress is pretty cool too.13:42
TheOpenSourcererBut a bit harder to turn into a "proper" website than Joomla!13:43
TheOpenSourcererWordpress doesn;t count because of wordpress.com ;-)13:43
TheOpenSourcererActually I am surprised WP isn;t much higher than that13:43
DavieyJoomla! has a worse security history than nearly any other webap i've had to manage.13:44
TheOpenSourcererIt's been around longer ;-)13:44
bigcalmJust lost an 89 turn game of draw something because I miss-read frat as fart :(13:44
DavieyI know Wordpress is used quite heavily as a CMS for some people.13:44
kitsosguys can you tell me the most used?13:45
TheOpenSourcererThat depends on what it is used for.13:45
DavieyTheOpenSourcerer: You mean it's code is based on, back in the day, when writing retardedly insecure code was acceptable ? :)13:45
TheOpenSourcererWordpress is massive, because it runs Wordpress.com13:45
TheOpenSourcererand runs millions of blogs13:45
ali1234at least13:45
Davieyand lots of sites, which wouldn't seem to be a blog from the appearance13:46
kitsosok lets say that i have build my website on my localhost ok?how can i "upload" it and set it on?13:46
ali1234it's also by far the easiest to use and extend13:46
kirrusDaviey: really? Security wise, wordpress gives me far more headaches than joomla13:46
Davieybut, written in PHP, which makes babies weep.13:46
Davieykirrus: Are you serious ?13:46
kirrusDaviey: deadly. Seriously, it's getting to the point I have to fix a cracked wordpress site once a week.13:47
ali1234i recently converted my webpage from drupal to wordpress13:47
TheOpenSourcererkitsos: tar -zvf ~/mysite.tar.gz mysite_dir13:47
TheOpenSourcerermysqldump -u user -p passwd db_name > db.sql13:47
TheOpenSourcererThen send them to your new host.13:47
TheOpenSourcererand reverse the process. Will need to edit a config file to get the new paths right, but that's about it.13:48
ali1234setting up drupal took me a couple of weeks. converting everything to wordpress took my half an hour13:48
kirrusDaviey: admitedly, usually because people don't update wordpress, and crackers mass-exploit it, but still, there's a reason why there's this saying, and it's popular: "wordpress is an unauthenticated remote shell that, as a useful side feature, also contains a blog" (http://bash.org/?949214)13:49
TheOpenSourcererkitsos: Basically there are lots of *very* good and *very* popular Content Management Systems you can use. But this channel is probably not the best place to research your choice.13:49
kitsosTheOpenSourcerer: Thank you very much13:51
TheOpenSourcererno problem.13:51
TheOpenSourcererI'm not saying to go away, but you can probably find some good comparisons on the Internet. We all have our favourites but they may or may not be the best for your needs.13:52
kitsosYes i understand :P i've already bookmak this channel :) you helped me a lot today thank you all guys! :)13:58
oimonhmm machine froze and i lost my work... http://ubuntuone.com/2bX2MNr069BiljgPYKHEwv13:59
DJonesLooks like coloured ascii art14:02
Davieymore like pacman14:04
davmor2oimon: that's hex colour blocks for the coded text,  "I told you to save, but no, you knew better" :D14:05
BigRedSkirrus: we do have billions more WP installs than Joomla ones14:05
gordwould make for a pretty good wallpaper that14:06
TheOpenSourcererBigRedS: "Billions"? really?14:06
davmor2I see your Bazillions! and raise you Gazillions of bazillions of billions of millions of hundreds of thousands of tens of thousands of thousands of hundreds of tens of pounds of pence14:10
kirrusBigRedS: aye.. but that might say something about wordpress ;-) .. TBF, someone from ubu-uk community hosting a joomla site on my personal server didn't update it.. with bad consequences for their site14:12
ali1234failure to update is on thing but e107 takes security issues to a whole new place14:15
BigRedSTheOpenSourcerer: yeah, to the nearest billion, excluding zero14:15
shaunohttp://en.wordpress.com/stats/  is still a pretty surprising number14:16
kirrusali1234: e107? (/me googles)14:21
DJonesThis sounds quite a fair and impartial comparison of the iPad and Transformer Prime http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/45050/new-ipad-vs-transformer-prime14:58
PaulYosefhi folks14:59
PaulYosefdutch and belgian people are racist scum hiding in the dutch ubuntu rooms im just spreading this message because i fought there racism and now im some sort of paria there just to let you know15:00
ikonia!ops | PaulYosef fujisan known ubuntu troll: just tried to cause a problem in #ubuntu-offtopic15:00
lubotu3PaulYosef fujisan known ubuntu troll: just tried to cause a problem in #ubuntu-offtopic: Help!  dgjones, Myrtti, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild or X3N15:00
ikoniafujisan, I'm not sure why you are doing this15:00
b1ackcr0whello all!15:18
b1ackcr0wI filed a bug earlier. was just looking for feedback on whether id filed it correctly ...15:19
lubotu3Launchpad bug 969121 in Ubuntu "Cannot boot Live CD with Nvidia GTX 550Ti" [Undecided,New]15:19
popeyhi b1ackcr0w15:26
b1ackcr0wyo popester15:27
b1ackcr0whow are you?15:27
popeyfine, fine15:28
* b1ackcr0w must get my head around doing a remix with the customizeation tool15:30
b1ackcr0wit may be the only way I can install15:32
popeynot the only way ☺15:33
popeya way15:33
* b1ackcr0w listens with interest15:33
popeysorry, on a call15:33
brobostigonok, i have found out, i shouldnt backup the world files, for minetest, while the server is running. is there a way, i have it running from the directory i compiled it in, ~/minetest/bin/minetestserver . is there an automated way, of shutting it down, rsync'ing backup, and then firing the server back up again?15:37
brobostigonthis is on ubuntu 11.10 server.15:37
awilkinsbrobostigon, Does minetest respond to signals, e.g. HUP15:45
brobostigonawilkins: no idea.15:45
daubersWhat's minetest?15:45
awilkinsbrobostigon, The idea being that you could run it in a shell script that loops infinitely around running minetest and doing a backup, if it does15:46
brobostigondaubers: it is a OSS version of minecraft, in c++.15:46
brobostigonawilkins: ah, interesting idea.15:46
b1ackcr0wpopey: give us a shout when you're ready - I'm minimising for a mo15:48
czajkowskianyone who plays games on ubuntu want to help https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/19215115:50
ali1234site uses flash and java, therefore it will work about as well on ubuntu as it does anywhere else. which is to say, not very well, but there you go.15:51
b1ackcr0wyup - i've just tested it with xubuntu - you may want to download chrome browser when you get ubuntu set up15:53
b1ackcr0w(quite easy in the software center15:53
b1ackcr0wbut yeah - it seems to work fine15:53
bigcalmI am confused15:59
bigcalmWebsites seem to say that ICS is out for UK Xoom users now. But I'm not seeing an update yet15:59
AlanBellbigcalm: is that a samsung?16:00
bigcalmdavmor2: is your Xoom offering an update?16:00
bigcalmAlanBell: Motorola16:00
AlanBellok, on the samsungs you have to install some windows sync thing to get it, they are not doing the over the air upgrade yet16:00
davmor2bigcalm nope16:01
bigcalmAlanBell: Yeah, when I saw the tweets I was miffed for Samsung owners :(16:01
davmor2where is the page that says it's available and is it over the air or not16:01
davmor2bigcalm: ^16:01
bigcalmIt's OTA for wifi devices16:01
bigcalmIs one such page16:02
davmor2bigcalm: http://www.motorola.com/Support/GB-EN/Consumer-Support/TABLETS/MOTOROLA-XOOM-with-Wi-Fi-GB-EN only list 3.1 and 3.216:04
bigcalmdavmor2: when is double steak week?16:14
davmor2bigcalm: 19th pre release party/happy hour16:15
davmor2gord: ^16:15
bigcalmgord: will you stick around for it?16:15
AlanBelldavmor2: what was the venue again?16:15
bigcalmThe Moon Under Water16:15
davmor2AlanBell: can'[t accuse us of not raising the tone :)16:16
bigcalmMartijnVdS: stopped myself from going that far16:16
gordhum, don't think so chaps16:17
davmor2did everyone see this yet http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/03/23/an-ultradeep-image-thats-full-galaxies/16:17
bigcalmgord: Thursday 19th is a workplace day. We're going to go to the gastropub we hold the LUG meets in afterwards for the party/happy hour16:17
bigcalmThey do serve a very very nice steak16:18
awilkinsHmm. A little far to go.16:18
davmor2gord: how come dude, the pub has the cloud free wifi and everything ;)16:18
davmor2awilkins: wuss16:18
gord18th is birthday, already got plans on the thursday sorry :)16:18
bigcalmErm, I'm the event contact? ;)16:18
bigcalmHeh, fair enough16:19
bigcalmgord: aww, growing old is so much fun!16:19
* awilkins is reminded to check what MadLab are doing on Saturday since he has to entertain his 7 yr old16:19
davmor2gord: that's no excuse I'm sure it isn't ;)16:19
gordonjcpI read that as Matlab the first time, I thought "that's not much fun for a 7-year-old..."16:20
AlanBellbigcalm: davmor2 wasn't on the list of available contacts :)16:20
awilkinsShe likes Khan Academy though16:20
awilkinsMadLab is an Arduino course on Saturday, a bit expensive and advanced for her16:21
davmor2AlanBell: why would I need contacting :P16:21
MartijnVdSawilkins: sixtysymbols, periodicvideos, etc.?16:21
* awilkins watches phosphorus16:22
ali1234cd .cache16:22
MartijnVdSali1234: BZZT16:22
ali1234stupid unity16:22
AlanBelldavmor2: just log in to the loco directory I think16:23
MartijnVdSawilkins: the "mini maker show" from makezine?16:24
OmNomDePlumeMartijnVdS, my Dutch friend.16:24
OmNomDePlumeHow goes in Dutchovia?16:25
bigcalmAlanBell: the pin in the map isn't actually near the venue :)16:25
MartijnVdSall is good in the Nether Lands16:25
bigcalmAlanBell: http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/pubs/the-moon-under-water-wolverhampton16:26
* awilkins bookmarks enthusiastically16:26
AlanBellbigcalm: yeah, it does that, I will look up the right location later, you are lucky it isn't in kazakstan16:26
MartijnVdSawilkins: got enough links? :)16:26
OmNomDePlumeThe Nether Regions16:27
awilkinsThe only bad think about that mini maker show is that she will start to emulate the hideous American accent16:27
MartijnVdSawilkins: well yes there's that16:27
OmNomDePlumeWhen's the next #ubuntu UK meet?16:27
bigcalmdavmor2: this is going to be a very long day for me. You get to go home after work before returning for the pub16:28
awilkinsFor some reason Flash is playing videos in blue16:28
MartijnVdSit's in its blue period16:28
bigcalmawilkins: blue movies?16:28
awilkinsThe colour balance is off16:29
awilkinsIt's like the red channel is supressed or something16:29
davmor2bigcalm: no I'm going straight to the pub too,  my plan is we head straight there scoff everyone else turns up at around 19:00 everyone goes home when they want to16:29
MartijnVdSawilkins: ask gord about bugs in unity :)16:29
bigcalmdavmor2: ah, fair enough16:30
bigcalmdavmor2: any idea who else might turn up?16:30
davmor2bigcalm: no idea what so ever16:30
bigcalmOnce the loco event has been fleshed out, it'll need tweeting and sending to the LUG list16:30
TheOpenSourcererAnyone in the market for a new smartphone and likes Olympic football: http://www.mobilechoiceuk.com/News/Free+Olympic+tickets+from+Samsung/672716:30
davmor2bigcalm: I already fb g+ and tweeted it why wait the general details are there16:32
bigcalmFluffy muff16:33
bigcalmYay, Hayley be home!16:34
* davmor2 wonders if a can program Hayley to respond to that with a swift clip around the earhole16:35
bigcalmdavmor2: eh?16:43
davmor2bigcalm: so you say: "Yay, Hayley be home!" and Hayley clips your ear for you :)16:44
bigcalmAww :(16:46
bigcalmWhy would you want that?16:46
bigcalmdavmor2: who is croftyboy?16:47
davmor2bigcalm: for that bitter sweet feel Yay shes home, ow that hurt16:49
bigcalmdavmor2: you're odd :P16:49
davmor2bigcalm: Mark Croft, lives in Rdditch used to come to Lug meetings when he could but hasn't been for a while16:50
bigcalmFluffy muff16:50
awilkinsBlue faces problem seems to be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/+bug/96709116:50
lubotu3Launchpad bug 967091 in adobe-flashplugin (Ubuntu) "Wrong tint with Nvidia after upgrading to 11.2" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:50
awilkinsred and blue channels seem to be swapped16:51
davmor2bigcalm: fluffy really doesn't work there it should be furry like in this picture http://www.saaridesign.com/cart/image.php?type=P&id=5216:51
awilkinsLove the bug description in the Adobe bug tracker "[Platform_Linux]White people are turned into smurfs on youtube" https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bug&id=310946716:53
bigcalmdavmor2: I used to say furry, but would mix it up with fury. Safer to say fluffy16:53
bigcalmawilkins: haha16:53
awilkins"Hi swbfan, thanks for your support Adobe Flash and report this issue. But we do not support Linux anymore post 11.2"16:55
gordheh spotify really shouldn't make the claim "access to pretty much all the worlds recorded music"16:56
gordnot even close16:56
awilkinsEnabling HW accelerated video fixes it. Hooray.16:57
brobostigonpub night?16:59
brobostigonjust a minute, bbc2, :)17:00
davmor2gord: do they have Stan Ridgeway Camouflage17:00
davmor2bigcalm: http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/18/2715572/ice-cream-sandwich-ota-update-motorola-xoom-wifi says rolling out tonight17:16
bigcalmdavmor2: "All 10 owners will be very pleased no doubt" - did the Xoom not sell well?17:20
directhexbigcalm: no android tablet has, other than kindle fire17:26
directhexiirc the #2 tablet is still hp touchpad17:26
directhexmaybe fire is now #217:27
bigcalmAnd the UK still hasn't got the Kindle Fire17:27
directhexipad is #1 obviously17:27
penguin42bigcalm: Yeh they're nice hardware17:27
davmor2bigcalm: initially it did don't know once the rest started rolling out17:48
bigcalmMust stop myself from repeatedly checking for updates on the Xoom :S17:53
kitsos[Q]Hello everybody.Can i install ap server on ubuntu?18:57
AlanBellkitsos: can you be more specific?18:57
kitsosSure.I was making a website with a friend (on windows XP) and i ask him the name of the server (i am begginer) and he told me ap server!on localhost18:59
AlanBelllet me take a wild guess that you mean a LAMP server19:00
AlanBellwhich is Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP19:00
lubotu3LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)19:00
AlanBelland the answer is yes, you can19:00
kitsosi have install right now on my system (ubuntu 11.10)apache2,php5,mysql.19:01
ali1234the beta 2 installer CD has one of those welcome pages about rhythmbox, and the screenshot is banshee19:20
ali1234it's a really nice screenshot too19:23
ali1234showing the album browser, the one that rhythmbox doesn't have19:23
ali1234which package is responsible for putting that ubuntu one installer on the launcher on a fresh install?19:27
ali1234found it, ubuntuone-installer19:29
kitsoswell do you guys any good tutorial for javascript?19:29
kitsosDo you have **19:29
reaper4334kitsos: Your best bet would be to search on Google, and have a look at a few of the results, rather than just one tutorial :)19:33
kitsosThanks for your advise19:34
zleapkitsos, i think codeacademy was teaching java19:38
ali1234bug 96953319:40
lubotu3Launchpad bug 969533 in ubuntuone-installer (Ubuntu) "U1 installer hangs forever if apt is locked" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96953319:40
ali1234bug 96953819:41
reaper4334kitsos: Yeah,  w3schools is pretty popular19:41
lubotu3Launchpad bug 969538 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Welcome page about rhythmbox has a screenshot of banshee" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96953819:41
ali1234w3schools is a good reference but i don't think they have much tutorial type content19:42
ali1234maybe i just missed it19:42
* AlanBell is now authorized to travel to the United States \o/19:51
AlanBellI paid my $14 to prove I am a worthy person19:52
gordhrm forgot about that... maybe i can extend my previous esta and not have to pay19:53
popeyooh, how do you check if you have esta?19:53
AlanBellmy one lasts to 2014 now19:53
AlanBellfill in the form on the right if you can19:54
popeydoes it tell you if you already have it?20:01
popey"Authorization Approved20:09
dogmatic69any know what is the default email program in 10.1020:19
DJonesI think its evolution20:20
dogmatic69that is it20:21
DJonesPretty sure its been that way for quite a few releases20:21
ali1234not any more though20:22
dogmatic69ye, thunderbird seems to be the default20:22
DJonesali1234: What is it in 12.0420:22
ali1234oneiric too i think20:22
dogmatic69DJones: I'm running 12.04 :)20:23
DJonesI had to install thunderbird in oneric20:23
dogmatic69anyone know where evolution is hiding the files in 12? not ~/.evolution it seems20:30
popeyprobably ~/.cache/evolution20:32
ali1234hey looks like my u1 is working now20:33
DJonesali1234: What have you done? Broken it for everybody else?20:35
ali1234no i just did a fresh install20:35
deerhunterhey guys, is this the place to get some help with 11.1020:35
popeyyeah, gwan20:36
DJonesWe'll try, if we can't help, you may get pointed to #ubuntu which is the main supprt channel, ask your question anyway20:36
dogmatic69popey: thanks. There is some there, but not all of it :/20:37
deerhunterok, im running 11.10, and it wont recognise my intergrated graphics card...20:38
popeywhat makes you say that deerhunter ?20:38
deerhunteryou tube, facebook games are so laggy, basicly everything that requires graphics card. im a bit of a noob, but if someone can give terminal codes to fix this20:40
popeydeerhunter: what hardware do you have?20:41
popeylaptop/desktop? make/model? Do you know what video card it has?20:41
deerhunterdell inspiron 1300, unsure of card, is there a way i can find out20:42
popeyi'll google20:42
popeydeerhunter: you at the machine right now?20:43
deerhunteryeah, i have terminal open20:44
popeyok, do sudo lshw -C video | grep product20:44
AlanBellI have a Dell Inspiron 1300 (or my son does)20:45
popeyand let us know what the product is20:45
deerhunterwhat do you mean product20:46
deerhunterproduct: Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller20:47
deerhuntersorry im a bit of a noob20:47
* AlanBell boots up the laptop20:48
AlanBellit is an intel card and the drivers are as good as they are going to get20:48
AlanBellI stuck 2GB of ram in it and it goes OK20:49
deerhunterso i cant fix it,20:49
deerhuntermine has 2GB of ram20:50
AlanBellI am running 11.10 on this one it is doing unity 3d20:50
deerhunterwhats that20:51
AlanBellthe unity desktop has the launcher down the left and the dash that pops out20:51
AlanBellthere are two variants, 3d and 2d20:52
AlanBellif you have a default install of 11.10 you are probably running the same stuff20:52
deerhunteri also have that, the laptop runs like a dream apart from the graphics side of things20:53
AlanBellmaybe try installing chromium-browser that is a bit faster than firefox20:53
popeysame flash plugin tho20:53
ali1234actually it might not be20:53
popeyso flash games will still be slow20:53
ali1234chrome uses it's own20:53
popeywell, not dramatically better20:53
popeysame as in "still shit"20:53
ali1234oh sure, it won't be better20:53
deerhunterlol, i done that, but its the same20:53
AlanBellscrolling about in facebook will be a bit quicker in chromium20:54
ali1234btw, anyone else got youtube videos all the wrong colours?20:54
popeymoving a bitmap about20:54
AlanBellit runs like a single core 1.5ghz celeron :)20:54
deerhunterceleron M20:54
popeyAlanBell: just highlighted you on G+20:54
popeysee his pic20:54
deerhunterme to20:54
deerhunterso has anyone any ideas20:55
AlanBelltab quicklists!20:55
AlanBelldeerhunter: facebook games are generally not using the accellerated graphics anyhow20:56
AlanBellthey are just flash and/or javascript I think20:56
ali1234flash uses loads of acceleration when it is available20:57
ali1234actually, javascript/browser stuff does too these days20:57
AlanBellwebgl maybe20:57
ali1234no, anythng20:57
deerhunteris there anything i can do20:57
AlanBelland flash uses hardware codecs20:57
ali1234and opengl20:57
deerhunterwhere is it20:58
AlanBelllets compare speeds deerhunter21:00
deerhunterhow can i check speeds21:00
AlanBellsudo apt-get install mesa-utils21:00
AlanBelloh, maybe not, that is capped at 60 frames per second now21:01
AlanBellum, can anyone think of a simple graphical benchmark we can both run?21:02
deerhunterim not that advanced. lol21:02
AlanBellor how to run glxgears unsynced from the refresh rate?21:02
AlanBelldeerhunter: ok, we can do a comparison21:07
AlanBellif you do sudo apt-get install mesa-utils21:07
AlanBellthen run glxgears21:07
AlanBellthen maximise the window with the gears in for a minute or two then close it21:07
AlanBellyou should have in your terminal window something like . . .21:08
popeyglxgears is not a benchmark21:09
AlanBellyeah, I know21:09
AlanBellbut if you get 30 frames per second and I get 30 frames per second then the graphics performance is broadly similar21:09
DJonesAlanBell: I was getting ~ 60 FPS with an onboard intel HD graphics21:17
AlanBellyeah, it will max out at your framerate now21:17
AlanBellcompiz forces it to sync to vblank21:17
AlanBellon my laptop I can't get it to budge from 60fps, but on Kierans at fullscreen it drops to 3021:18
DJonesThis is a laptop as well21:19
DJonesrunning in a window21:19
AlanBellwhich again probably isn't very benchmarkish because it just means it can manage to meet the deadline every second vblank21:19
AlanBellDJones: is it an elderly celeron?21:19
DJonesAlanBell: i321:20
DJones12 months old21:20
AlanBellsame as my main laptop then21:21
DJonesMaybe this of some use http://happylinuxthoughts.blogspot.co.uk/2007/11/benchmark-your-system-in-ubuntu.html21:21
DJonesSuggest using nexuiz as a benchmark :)21:22
AlanBellI am just doing an update on it and I will give that a go21:23
AlanBellI think I might have installed nexuiz on it already21:23
DJonesI'm doing the same21:23
AlanBellit has just installed new intel graphics drivers so it will be interesting to see if that changes the performance (probably won't)21:24
ali1234AlanBell: the beta 2 release notes specifically says orca doesn't work :/21:30
ali1234why does orca speech sound so weeeeird?21:31
AlanBellorca does work, unity3d doesn't21:31
ali1234"psh booooot-en"21:32
AlanBellit is using espeak which is a very lightweight mechanical speech synthesis engine that will do loads of languages21:32
AlanBellyeah, it sounds pretty bad21:32
AlanBellbut it fits on the CD21:32
ali1234fair doos21:32
AlanBelland supports all the languages21:32
AlanBellthere are much better synthesisers that speech dispatcher can drive21:34
ali1234"dot dot dot"21:34
AlanBellthis is why I want people to test their applications with orca :)21:35
AlanBellit reads a lot of garbage out21:36
ali1234you're cheating by knowing what the menus look like and how they are layed out21:36
AlanBellyes I am21:36
AlanBellit isn't very discoverable21:36
ali1234"escape escape"21:37
AlanBellyeah, loads of broken stuff in the indicator menus21:39
ali1234i think by this point i would have given up and done something more productive21:39
AlanBellthings that are silent, lables that are wrong21:39
DJonesBloody hell, couldn't find a way to quit nexuiz, ended up having to restart to quit the game21:39
AlanBellplaces you can get stuck21:39
AlanBellI am going to go through the installer this time21:40
ali1234what it says "backspace" i thought it was saying something really rude21:42
ali1234"paste" and "create new" menu options ghosted in nautilus, even though i have access to the folder...21:54
ali1234and clicking them still works21:54
dogmatic69I don't know if its because of the clean install, SSD, or 12.04 but things open quick. LibreOffice Writer literally takes a few ms to completely open and be ready to work22:00
ali1234bug 96964222:02
lubotu3Launchpad bug 969642 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Context menu items appear disabled, but still work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96964222:02
gordhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA3OTY neat-o22:32
dwatkinsI'm quite surprised at that, gord - it's good, but considering Linux' desktop market share, I didn't expect Steam support for a while.22:42
gordvalve are a distribution company, they want as many fingers in as many pies as possible22:42
gordeven small market shares add up to quite some pennies over time22:43
dwatkinsThis is true, and it should also encourage Linux usage, which will increase the market. This will give them an edge over whatever competition they still have (I guess EA).22:45
dogmatic69Im not managing to get my mail converted to 12 :/23:15
dogmatic69its picking up the folders and mails, just not the accounts23:16
dogmatic69been trying with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MigrateEvolutionToNewComputer23:16
dwatkins12, dogmatic69?23:30
dwatkinsah I see23:31
dogmatic69the structure is different23:31
dogmatic6910.10 had ~/.evolution 12.04 not23:31
dwatkinsI assume it's not a permissions problem23:32
dogmatic69it seems to just be a difference in structure problem23:32
dogmatic69Ive been copying files all over trying various things. best I got was all the correct personal folders and emails. but no accounts.23:33
dwatkinsIf you setup accounts from scratch, where does it store the information?23:33
dogmatic69never been able to get the accounts. once it even popped up saying this is the old structure, do you want to update23:34
dogmatic69hm, created a dummy account but cant seem to find it23:34
AzelphurI'm trying to find something decent to do text to speech with, somehow.23:37
dogmatic69only thing I could think of is to make ~/ a git repo, then add a account and go git diff23:37
AzelphurI'm not at all fond of the festival voices23:37
ali1234Azelphur: just read it out yourself?23:37
Azelphurali1234: haha, that violates the point :P23:38
Azelphurbut yea, does anyone know something high quality (Web API, Wine?)23:38
gordonjcpAzelphur: flite?23:38
gordonjcpWine isn't a speech synth...23:38
Azelphurgordonjcp: obviously I meant that there may be windows-only synths that are better and run under wine23:39
Azelphurand...you just suggested festival lite...23:39
gordonjcpAzelphur: I know there are speech synths for windows, but I've never found them to be in any way intelligibile23:40
AzelphurI mean, there are ones on the web with demos and stuff that are just so far ahead compared to festival23:40
gordonjcpmy ex used to use some Kurzweil thing because she is ridiculously dyslexic23:40
ali1234microsoft bob?23:41
AzelphurI'm trying to make a talking clock :p23:41
ali1234that's easy23:41
gordonjcpit cost about six grand and sounded like Stephen Hawking getting the shit kicked out of him in a washing machine full of ducks23:41
ali1234just record all the possible times23:41
Azelphurali1234: a talking web 2.0 clock that pulls news feeds ands tuff.23:41
ali1234put them in a rom23:41
ali1234problem solved23:41
gordonjcpnot even that, just record the numbers that you can put together23:41
ali1234yeah, that's what i meant23:42
gordonjcpflite can't rap -> http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/mp3s/spd-pe.ogg23:42
Azelphuryou want me to record every single possibility that could ever come up on a news feed?23:42
Azelphurgot an unlimited supply of monkeys?23:42
ali1234that's not a clock then it is?23:42
Azelphurgordonjcp: hehe23:42
ali1234you could put that job on mechanical turk23:42
ali1234"read out this webpage"23:42
ali1234then just play the result23:42
Azelphurterrible suggestions are terrible23:43
ali1234have you ever heard of this thing called a radio?23:43
ali1234you can tune in to 5 live and get the news... and they tell you the time every 10 minutes as well23:43
Azelphurdig a hole of terrible suggestions, dig deeper still23:43
gordonjcpfestival can sing -> http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/mp3s/robots.mp323:44
dogmatic69dwatkins: done the git thing, does not make much sense. http://bin.cakephp.org/view/213187759023:44
AzelphurIf you look at like http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html for example, select UK Peter, that's the kinda quality I'm thinking23:44
ali1234vocaloid is pretty good. if you want singing.23:44
Azelphur*stab* I don't want singing23:44
AzelphurI just want some text to speech that sounds better than my Amiga did in 199623:45
gordonjcpAzelphur: that's about the state of the art, unfortunately23:45
gordonjcpunless you want to go to ridiculous lengths23:45
ali1234i don't know if this is true, but i read that the amiga voice synth was developed in minnesota23:46
ali1234which is why it sounds so robotic23:46
dogmatic69I have even installed a sql lite thing and none of the db's have the account in23:46
ali1234everyone in minnesota sounds like that23:46
Azelphurin fact...watching a video on youtube, the Amiga voice synth is actually quite superior to festival o.O23:46
Azelphurso besides terrible suggestions that arn't the answer to the question, anyone got any ideas?23:48
gordonjcpAzelphur: a) use festival, b) buy very very expensive software, c) roll your own23:49
shaunoget an amiga and a serial cable :)23:49
ali1234(ignore stupid video)23:51

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