[01:35] ali1234: figure you may know this one, what's the cheapest way for me to get a small screen to display a QR Code and a number? [01:36] that's it's whole life mission, to display QR Codes and numbers. [01:39] get an android phone? [01:40] ali1234: yea, I'm thinking perhaps android displaying a webpage with maybe websockets or ajax or something [01:40] the cheapest way is probably a box of crayons [01:41] need more information to give a reasonable response [01:41] ali1234: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNpcf9rSBIk [01:42] so it's soul mission in life would be to be small enough to fit on a counter, and do [01:43] just use the android app? [01:43] also "now wait an hour for 6 confirmations" [01:45] i installed the android wallet app a few days ago, it's still downloading the blockchain [01:45] ali1234: huh? [01:45] ali1234: you don't need to wait for confs on small payments === rhunwicks_ is now known as rhunwicks [06:52] morning all [06:53] morning [07:20] Ugh, I hate xchat when I can't use ssh to connect to my irssi instance [07:24] good morning everyone, [07:36] 1Morning [07:39] Ha, I love it when people do stuff just because "they can". Ubuntu booting in 6hrs on a 6.5Khz system http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/6-5khz-computer-boots-ubuntu-in-6-hours-20120329/ [07:39] How the Reading Happy Hour then daubers? Was it Happy? [07:40] TheOpenSourcerer: 'twas good [07:40] Always good to see people again, and some new faces too [07:41] Shame I couldn't make it, but my missus was at a rehearsal [07:41] TheOpenSourcerer, Reading that article, amd that was only to a bash/terminal prompt, maybe they're still waiting for it to the unity desktop [07:42] yeah [07:59] AlanBell: popey thanks for Ubuntu happy hour last night. Sorry I had to go early. [08:03] morning [08:03] xplora1a: was fun wasn't it ☺ [08:22] Good morning peoples :) [08:25] bigcalm: sorry can't talk i'm panic buying things ;) [08:25] Buy choc-ices [08:32] MooDoo, Your car won't run on pasties [08:32] Happy Friday, everyone! :) [08:34] \o/ Friday [08:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0 [08:37] glad i don't watch/read the general news..no idea what everyone's talking about with pasties and petrol [08:42] this "don't break precise" mentality is really working as loads of people seem to be running (and therefore testing) the betas for their daily work, rather than boot for an hour and try to break stuff [08:45] oimon: Precise breaks all by itself, I don't have to help it. [08:45] Well unity does [08:45] :P more than 11.10? [08:47] pfffft [08:47] did you just fart popey? [08:48] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0BfcdPKw8E [08:50] installing android 4.0.4 on my tablet \o/ [08:57] 4.0.4? [08:59] MartijnVdS, yes [08:59] oimon, Which tablet [09:00] oimon, Mine is on 4.0.3 === cking_ is now known as cking [09:04] http://ubuntuone.com/5zflrLQQpKjrICtfOiTBO5 << MartijnVdS DJones [09:04] hp touchpad [09:05] Ah, mine's the Asus prime, 4.0.3 is the default manufacturers version [09:06] never seen one up close in the wild [09:06] Tis nice [09:06] can you run ubuntu natively on it ? [09:06] Its supposed to run, I saw a couple of videos saying it would [09:07] if so, it would be a future laptop for me [09:07] bigcalm, http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57405986-1/android-4.0.4-allegedly-bound-for-motorola-xoom-wi-fi/ [09:09] ubuntu isn't great on transformers [09:09] yet [09:12] i still think people are talking about robots in disguise when people mention transformers [09:13] DJones: good news yes, but doesn't say when [09:14] gord: hence the legal debate [09:14] I did wonder how well any tablet would run ubuntu, I would have thought memory limitations would put pressure on it [09:14] tablets have a lorra lorra memory these days [09:15] LORRA LORRA! [09:15] gord, Still only 1gb ram, the rest is "disk" storage [09:15] lorra lorra blinda data [09:16] * DJones wonders when cilla black became popey (or vice versa) [09:16] NONSENSE NONSENSE NONSENSE! [09:16] etc [09:19] popey, With your comment about ubuntu on the prime, are you aware if there is any official development for it? [09:24] theme tune of the day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w [09:25] DJones: define "official"? [09:25] I didn't mention the prime btw, just "transformer" [09:25] Ah, sorry, I read it as transformer prime [09:25] Looking forward to this tomorrow: http://www.saracensatwembley.com/ :-) [09:27] Amazed they have sold 75000 tickets. Going to be a big day. Think my younguns will enjoy the atmosphere... [09:29] popey, I guess by "official" I was looking at tablet versions sponsored/developed by canonical (not specifically for the prime/asus) [09:30] Was just looking at this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/ubuntu-tablet-to-compete-with-android-ios/ so I think that answers that question anyway [09:34] Does anyone know any VDA type apps for andorid? [09:34] xorg regularly uses nearly all cpu on this machine :( think i'll try another grpahics card [09:35] oimon: Or build a new windowing system :p [09:45] DJones: nothing yet [09:45] bug 969023 [09:45] Launchpad bug 969023 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "(over)filling password field makes logon difficult" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/969023 [09:45] anyone fancy trying to reproduce that? [09:47] sure [09:47] let me log out [09:47] you need to mash loads of keys into it [09:47] would anyone yell at me if i blocked the spotify indicator in unity? [09:47] its unnecessary now its in the sound menu [09:48] so long as you fix keyboard binding too ☺ [09:48] popey: confirmed [09:48] gord: if you filt the alt key I'll never both you again [09:48] *bother [09:49] alt key seems fine for me [09:49] orly [09:49] gord: you don't use screen do you :) [09:49] gord steals alt keys from guest VMs [09:49] for people who use screen in irssi it's a woeful pain in the you know whattis [09:51] Morning AlanBell. How's the head today? [09:51] fine fine [09:51] Jolly Dee. [09:52] czajkowski: works for me [09:52] czajkowski: what keyboard shortcut does it steal? [09:53] in screen in irssi it keeps popping the hud open :. [09:53] :/ [09:53] 10:52:27 < popey> czajkowski: what keyboard shortcut does it steal? [09:54] I use Alt+Numbers and ALT+a a lot [09:54] czajkowski: it's less bad in the latest unity [09:54] that was irritating the hell out of me on Sunday [09:55] and then I dist-upgraded and it irritated me less frequently [09:57] popey: alt numbers/letters [09:57] I did dis upgrade this morning [09:57] and arrow keys, it was terminator it was annoying me for [09:57] czajkowski: you can use escape instead of alt as the irssi modifier [09:57] I think I did still end up setting the hud key to some daft combination in the end [09:58] which was a shame, I was sort-of getting in to using it. But not by enough to start breaking other muscle-memory [09:59] it is kind of annoying when trying to test ubuntu in a VM and do screencasts of it etc, when you try to demo the HUD and hit alt to bring it up and the host HUD decides to steal the alt key [09:59] AlanBell: oh didnt know that thanks, but that feels all sorts of wrong to change windows [10:00] czajkowski: I got used to it a while ago, escape is closer to the numbers [10:01] AlanBell: will give it a try and see it's when I go to alt l m b that esc seems very odd [10:07] morning all [10:11] popey: bug 969044 [10:11] Launchpad bug 969044 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) ""try ubuntu" button launches unity 3d when orca is running" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/969044 [10:16] ok does anyone here use their @ubuntu.com address on a ubuntu mailman lists? [10:16] are you able to send and receive them ? [10:18] i dont [10:20] I am a litle baffled by a question since yesterday [10:20] * czajkowski goes to try and dig further [10:22] what question? [10:23] https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/192063 [10:26] why does he think his address is domino@ubuntu.com ? [10:26] it will be jhosman@ubuntu.com [10:27] dominos.co.uk! [10:27] Damn, not good to crave pizza [10:27] BigRedS: shh I just got papa johns sms offering free pizza [10:28] bigcalm: ^^^ [10:28] * bigcalm tickles czajkowski with a tab typo ;) [10:28] autocomplete is gonna land me in hot bother one of these days [10:28] cz I agree [10:28] popey: aye :/ but he does say it works wiht gmail [10:29] czajkowski: i dont actually understand what he's saying there [10:30] the first problem is he's using the wrong address [10:30] aye am just replying that bit [10:30] and see if he understands [10:30] ubuntu addresses are "launchpad_id@ubuntu.com" [10:31] https://launchpad.net/~domino (who is not a member) would have that address [10:37] * davmor2 now thinks that czajkowski new job is that of a digger :D [10:40] davmor2: gold variety? ;) [10:41] MooDoo: can see a trip to the naughty step in MooDoo 's future :D [10:41] davmor2: another case of opening up mouth before thinking [10:45] MooDoo: whenever I see czajkowski say I'll dig into that, it reminds me of crocodile dundee 2 when leroy brown: I deliver stuff, cd: What kinda stuff, LB: Erasers pens paper, CD: And that heavy s**t, LB: No I'm strickly legit, you dig, CD: Yeap, is that part of the job, LB:WHAT?, CD: Diggin' [10:46] lol [10:47] only problem now is I want to watch Crocodile Dundee :D [10:57] Heh [10:59] * AlanBell has borked broadband :( [11:00] Oh dear. And on invoicing day too... [11:00] yeah, tethering with gprs now, not fun :( [11:00] http://www.plus.net/supportpages.html?a=2&?helpheader=servicestatus [11:00] AlanBell: borked broadband?? is that a new brand :D [11:00] ? [11:05] BigRedS: Do you want to hear a joke? .... I'm running Ubuntu on my G4 ;D [11:05] ... and KDE on the VAIO :> [11:06] n1md4: BigRedS just went to the shops [11:07] Is anyone with experience of LDAP auth and SSL here? [11:13] AlanBell: just tested your bug. on screen keyboard boots to 3d, orca screen reader boots to 2d [11:15] hmm, i may have the wrong iso [11:16] bah, yes, old iso [11:17] My bad - ldap fixed [11:20] popey: how did you start orca? [11:20] ctrl+s or from the panel menu? [11:22] AlanBell: i started from the boot screen [11:22] AlanBell: but it was an old iso, now trynig from ubuntu 12.04 beta 2 [11:23] AlanBell: Man = Keyboard, F5, Screen reader, "try ubuntu" [11:23] oh, don't do that [11:23] new way is sit and wait until you hear the drums, then ctrl+s [11:24] why? [11:24] this works [11:24] if you can see the man, yes [11:24] who defined this "new way" ? [11:25] People :) [11:25] http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/oneiric-ocelot/ [11:25] it was that way in oneiric [11:25] ok, ctrl+s opens orca screen reader [11:25] now what? [11:31] df -h [11:35] * AlanBell wants fixed networking :( [11:58] AlanBell: did it break? how? [12:07] am I back? [12:07] you appear to be [12:07] yay \o/ [12:36] kirrus: Hey :) [12:39] hey n1md4. [12:39] n1md4: what? There's still a Ubuntu PPC? [12:40] and KDE? [12:41] http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/precise/ suggests yes [12:42] oh yeah [12:42] Haha, I think I was surprised by that about a year ago, too [12:42] that's not a canonical one is it? [12:44] i dunno what the status is [12:44] Is PPC mac hardware? [12:45] hello [12:45] dvdrw: it's the old processor arch they used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC [12:45] kitsos: hello [12:46] can i ask you something? [12:46] prior to Intel [12:46] !ask | kitsos [12:46] kitsos: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [12:46] (so yes) [12:48] ok i am sorry.Well i have install apache2 in my computer and now i want to restart it "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart" the command but how can i find the "etc" i dont know where i saved it [12:48] etc is just a directory [12:49] yes but what should i put there [12:49] ls /etc/init.d to get the right name. [12:49] or use service, ie, "sudo service apache2 restart" [12:49] I just use "service apache2 restart" [12:50] i just look sizeways at apache and it restarts [12:50] :D Thank you guys [12:50] :) [12:50] another success story [12:51] collaborative. [12:51] ali1234:really? what do you do to it? We have hundreds of machines running it happily ;) [12:52] run it on a server with not enough ram i guess [12:52] cd .. [12:52] ali1234: use monit to restart it when ram gets low then :) [12:53] yeah [13:02] or use lighttpd [13:06] Drupal is good? [13:08] depends what you want to use it for [13:14] well actually i wanna make a website like dailmotion youtube and give the permission to users to upload videos! [13:16] You could probably achieve that with any CMS plus plugins. Drupal is OTT for a lot of things in my opinion though [13:16] Might be suited to your needs [13:16] like youdoubled? [13:18] yes like that but there is something else i dont remember the name :/ [13:21] well i am begginer on linux i had install apache and all of this things on windows xp but with a friend. [13:25] drupal is quite involved, but very good. [13:29] drupal is a web builder how we call it? [13:30] Drupal is a Content Management System [13:32] and quite complicated [13:32] well can you tell me more Content Management System [13:33] drupal seems to be designed around the idea of supporting a consultancy business [13:33] it's very enterprisey [13:33] short version, it gives you a web-gui to edit sites... wikipedia's got long version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_management_system [13:38] there is only drupal? [13:41] kitsos: Take a look at Joomla! too. It is somewhat easier to build websites in than Drupal but is still quite flexible due to the huge number of addons available. [13:42] wordpress! [13:42] http://www.google.com/trends/?q=drupal,+Joomla [13:42] directhex: Yes, Wordpress is pretty cool too. [13:43] But a bit harder to turn into a "proper" website than Joomla! [13:43] http://www.google.com/trends/?q=drupal,+Joomla,+wordpress&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 [13:43] Wordpress doesn;t count because of wordpress.com ;-) [13:43] Actually I am surprised WP isn;t much higher than that [13:44] Joomla! has a worse security history than nearly any other webap i've had to manage. [13:44] It's been around longer ;-) [13:44] Just lost an 89 turn game of draw something because I miss-read frat as fart :( [13:44] I know Wordpress is used quite heavily as a CMS for some people. [13:45] guys can you tell me the most used? [13:45] wordpress [13:45] That depends on what it is used for. [13:45] TheOpenSourcerer: You mean it's code is based on, back in the day, when writing retardedly insecure code was acceptable ? :) [13:45] Wordpress is massive, because it runs Wordpress.com [13:45] and runs millions of blogs [13:45] at least [13:46] and lots of sites, which wouldn't seem to be a blog from the appearance [13:46] ok lets say that i have build my website on my localhost ok?how can i "upload" it and set it on? [13:46] it's also by far the easiest to use and extend [13:46] Daviey: really? Security wise, wordpress gives me far more headaches than joomla [13:46] but, written in PHP, which makes babies weep. [13:46] kirrus: Are you serious ? [13:47] Daviey: deadly. Seriously, it's getting to the point I have to fix a cracked wordpress site once a week. [13:47] i recently converted my webpage from drupal to wordpress [13:47] kitsos: tar -zvf ~/mysite.tar.gz mysite_dir [13:47] mysqldump -u user -p passwd db_name > db.sql [13:47] Then send them to your new host. [13:48] and reverse the process. Will need to edit a config file to get the new paths right, but that's about it. [13:48] setting up drupal took me a couple of weeks. converting everything to wordpress took my half an hour [13:49] Daviey: admitedly, usually because people don't update wordpress, and crackers mass-exploit it, but still, there's a reason why there's this saying, and it's popular: "wordpress is an unauthenticated remote shell that, as a useful side feature, also contains a blog" (http://bash.org/?949214) [13:49] kitsos: Basically there are lots of *very* good and *very* popular Content Management Systems you can use. But this channel is probably not the best place to research your choice. [13:51] TheOpenSourcerer: Thank you very much [13:51] no problem. [13:52] I'm not saying to go away, but you can probably find some good comparisons on the Internet. We all have our favourites but they may or may not be the best for your needs. [13:58] Yes i understand :P i've already bookmak this channel :) you helped me a lot today thank you all guys! :) [13:59] hmm machine froze and i lost my work... http://ubuntuone.com/2bX2MNr069BiljgPYKHEwv [14:02] pretty! [14:02] Looks like coloured ascii art [14:04] more like pacman [14:05] oimon: that's hex colour blocks for the coded text, "I told you to save, but no, you knew better" :D [14:05] kirrus: we do have billions more WP installs than Joomla ones [14:06] would make for a pretty good wallpaper that [14:06] BigRedS: "Billions"? really? [14:07] Bazillions! [14:10] I see your Bazillions! and raise you Gazillions of bazillions of billions of millions of hundreds of thousands of tens of thousands of thousands of hundreds of tens of pounds of pence [14:12] BigRedS: aye.. but that might say something about wordpress ;-) .. TBF, someone from ubu-uk community hosting a joomla site on my personal server didn't update it.. with bad consequences for their site [14:15] failure to update is on thing but e107 takes security issues to a whole new place [14:15] TheOpenSourcerer: yeah, to the nearest billion, excluding zero [14:15] :) [14:16] http://en.wordpress.com/stats/ is still a pretty surprising number [14:21] ali1234: e107? (/me googles) [14:58] This sounds quite a fair and impartial comparison of the iPad and Transformer Prime http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/45050/new-ipad-vs-transformer-prime [14:59] -_- [14:59] hi folks [15:00] dutch and belgian people are racist scum hiding in the dutch ubuntu rooms im just spreading this message because i fought there racism and now im some sort of paria there just to let you know [15:00] !ops | PaulYosef fujisan known ubuntu troll: just tried to cause a problem in #ubuntu-offtopic [15:00] PaulYosef fujisan known ubuntu troll: just tried to cause a problem in #ubuntu-offtopic: Help! dgjones, Myrtti, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild or X3N [15:00] fujisan, I'm not sure why you are doing this [15:18] hello all! [15:19] I filed a bug earlier. was just looking for feedback on whether id filed it correctly ... [15:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/969121 [15:19] Launchpad bug 969121 in Ubuntu "Cannot boot Live CD with Nvidia GTX 550Ti" [Undecided,New] [15:26] hi b1ackcr0w [15:27] yo popester [15:27] how are you? [15:28] fine, fine [15:28] warm [15:30] * b1ackcr0w must get my head around doing a remix with the customizeation tool [15:32] it may be the only way I can install [15:33] not the only way ☺ [15:33] a way [15:33] * b1ackcr0w listens with interest [15:33] sorry, on a call [15:34] s'ok [15:37] ok, i have found out, i shouldnt backup the world files, for minetest, while the server is running. is there a way, i have it running from the directory i compiled it in, ~/minetest/bin/minetestserver . is there an automated way, of shutting it down, rsync'ing backup, and then firing the server back up again? [15:37] this is on ubuntu 11.10 server. [15:45] brobostigon, Does minetest respond to signals, e.g. HUP [15:45] awilkins: no idea. [15:45] What's minetest? [15:46] brobostigon, The idea being that you could run it in a shell script that loops infinitely around running minetest and doing a backup, if it does [15:46] daubers: it is a OSS version of minecraft, in c++. [15:46] awilkins: ah, interesting idea. [15:46] Oh [15:48] popey: give us a shout when you're ready - I'm minimising for a mo [15:50] anyone who plays games on ubuntu want to help https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/192151 [15:51] site uses flash and java, therefore it will work about as well on ubuntu as it does anywhere else. which is to say, not very well, but there you go. [15:52] http://askubuntu.com/questions/108132/getting-pogo-games-to-work [15:53] yup - i've just tested it with xubuntu - you may want to download chrome browser when you get ubuntu set up [15:53] (quite easy in the software center [15:53] but yeah - it seems to work fine [15:59] I am confused [15:59] Websites seem to say that ICS is out for UK Xoom users now. But I'm not seeing an update yet [16:00] bigcalm: is that a samsung? [16:00] davmor2: is your Xoom offering an update? [16:00] AlanBell: Motorola [16:00] ok, on the samsungs you have to install some windows sync thing to get it, they are not doing the over the air upgrade yet [16:01] bigcalm nope [16:01] AlanBell: Yeah, when I saw the tweets I was miffed for Samsung owners :( [16:01] where is the page that says it's available and is it over the air or not [16:01] bigcalm: ^ [16:01] It's OTA for wifi devices [16:02] http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/google-rolls-out-ics-4-0-4-firmware-update [16:02] Is one such page [16:04] bigcalm: http://www.motorola.com/Support/GB-EN/Consumer-Support/TABLETS/MOTOROLA-XOOM-with-Wi-Fi-GB-EN only list 3.1 and 3.2 [16:14] davmor2: when is double steak week? [16:15] always? [16:15] steeeeeeeeeeeeakk [16:15] bigcalm: 19th pre release party/happy hour [16:15] gord: ^ [16:15] gord: will you stick around for it? [16:15] hum? [16:15] davmor2: what was the venue again? [16:15] The Moon Under Water [16:16] Weatherspoons [16:16] Wolverhampton [16:16] AlanBell: can'[t accuse us of not raising the tone :) [16:16] Earth [16:16] MartijnVdS: stopped myself from going that far [16:17] hum, don't think so chaps [16:17] did everyone see this yet http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/03/23/an-ultradeep-image-thats-full-galaxies/ [16:17] gord: Thursday 19th is a workplace day. We're going to go to the gastropub we hold the LUG meets in afterwards for the party/happy hour [16:18] Steak!? [16:18] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1656/detail/ [16:18] They do serve a very very nice steak [16:18] Hmm. A little far to go. [16:18] gord: how come dude, the pub has the cloud free wifi and everything ;) [16:18] awilkins: wuss [16:18] 18th is birthday, already got plans on the thursday sorry :) [16:18] Erm, I'm the event contact? ;) [16:19] Heh, fair enough [16:19] gord: aww, growing old is so much fun! [16:19] * awilkins is reminded to check what MadLab are doing on Saturday since he has to entertain his 7 yr old [16:19] gord: that's no excuse I'm sure it isn't ;) [16:20] I read that as Matlab the first time, I thought "that's not much fun for a 7-year-old..." [16:20] bigcalm: davmor2 wasn't on the list of available contacts :) [16:20] She likes Khan Academy though [16:21] KHAAAAAN [16:21] MadLab is an Arduino course on Saturday, a bit expensive and advanced for her [16:21] AlanBell: why would I need contacting :P [16:21] awilkins: sixtysymbols, periodicvideos, etc.? [16:22] * awilkins watches phosphorus [16:22] cd .cache [16:22] ali1234: BZZT [16:22] stupid unity [16:23] davmor2: just log in to the loco directory I think [16:24] awilkins: the "mini maker show" from makezine? [16:24] MartijnVdS, my Dutch friend. [16:24] hmm? [16:25] How goes in Dutchovia? [16:25] AlanBell: the pin in the map isn't actually near the venue :) [16:25] all is good in the Nether Lands [16:26] AlanBell: http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/pubs/the-moon-under-water-wolverhampton [16:26] * awilkins bookmarks enthusiastically [16:26] bigcalm: yeah, it does that, I will look up the right location later, you are lucky it isn't in kazakstan [16:26] HAha [16:26] awilkins: got enough links? :) [16:27] The Nether Regions [16:27] The only bad think about that mini maker show is that she will start to emulate the hideous American accent [16:27] awilkins: well yes there's that [16:27] When's the next #ubuntu UK meet? [16:28] davmor2: this is going to be a very long day for me. You get to go home after work before returning for the pub [16:28]