[01:35] <Azelphur> ali1234: figure you may know this one, what's the cheapest way for me to get a small screen to display a QR Code and a number?
[01:36] <Azelphur> that's it's whole life mission, to display QR Codes and numbers.
[01:39] <ali1234> get an android phone?
[01:40] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, I'm thinking perhaps android displaying a webpage with maybe websockets or ajax or something
[01:40] <ali1234> the cheapest way is probably a box of crayons
[01:41] <ali1234> need more information to give a reasonable response
[01:41] <Azelphur> ali1234: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNpcf9rSBIk
[01:42] <Azelphur> so it's soul mission in life would be to be small enough to fit on a counter, and do <qr code> <amount>
[01:43] <ali1234> just use the android app?
[01:43] <ali1234> also "now wait an hour for 6 confirmations"
[01:45] <ali1234> i installed the android wallet app a few days ago, it's still downloading the blockchain
[01:45] <Azelphur> ali1234: huh?
[01:45] <Azelphur> ali1234: you don't need to wait for confs on small payments
[06:52] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:53] <gordonjcp> morning
[07:20] <DJones> Ugh, I hate xchat when I can't use ssh to connect to my irssi instance
[07:24] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[07:36] <daubers> 1Morning
[07:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ha, I love it when people do stuff just because "they can". Ubuntu booting in 6hrs on a 6.5Khz system http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/6-5khz-computer-boots-ubuntu-in-6-hours-20120329/
[07:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> How the Reading Happy Hour then daubers? Was it Happy?
[07:40] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: 'twas good
[07:40] <daubers> Always good to see people again, and some new faces too
[07:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Shame I couldn't make it, but my missus was at a rehearsal
[07:41] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer, Reading that article, amd that was only to a bash/terminal prompt, maybe they're still waiting for it to the unity desktop
[07:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah
[07:59] <xplora1a> AlanBell: popey thanks for Ubuntu happy hour last night. Sorry I had to go early.
[08:03] <czajkowski> morning
[08:03] <popey> xplora1a: was fun wasn't it ☺
[08:22] <bigcalm> Good morning peoples :)
[08:25] <MooDoo> bigcalm: sorry can't talk i'm panic buying things ;)
[08:25] <bigcalm> Buy choc-ices
[08:32] <DJones> MooDoo, Your car won't run on pasties
[08:32] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, everyone! :)
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> \o/ Friday
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
[08:37] <oimon> glad i don't watch/read the general news..no idea what everyone's talking about with pasties and petrol
[08:42] <oimon> this "don't break precise" mentality is really working as loads of people seem to be running (and therefore testing) the betas for their daily work, rather than boot for an hour and try to break stuff
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Precise breaks all by itself, I don't have to help it.
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> Well unity does
[08:45] <oimon> :P more than 11.10?
[08:47] <popey> pfffft
[08:47] <oimon> did you just fart popey?
[08:48] <Myrtti> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0BfcdPKw8E
[08:50] <oimon> installing android 4.0.4 on my tablet \o/
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> 4.0.4?
[08:59] <oimon> MartijnVdS, yes
[08:59] <DJones> oimon, Which tablet
[09:00] <DJones> oimon, Mine is on 4.0.3
[09:04] <oimon> http://ubuntuone.com/5zflrLQQpKjrICtfOiTBO5 << MartijnVdS DJones
[09:04] <oimon> hp touchpad
[09:05] <DJones> Ah, mine's the Asus prime, 4.0.3 is the default manufacturers version
[09:06] <oimon> never seen one up close in the wild
[09:06] <DJones> Tis nice
[09:06] <oimon> can you run ubuntu natively on it ?
[09:06] <DJones> Its supposed to run, I saw a couple of videos saying it would
[09:07] <oimon> if so, it would be a future laptop for me
[09:07] <DJones> bigcalm, http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57405986-1/android-4.0.4-allegedly-bound-for-motorola-xoom-wi-fi/
[09:09] <popey> ubuntu isn't great on transformers
[09:09] <popey> yet
[09:12] <gord> i still think people are talking about robots in disguise when people mention transformers
[09:13] <bigcalm> DJones: good news yes, but doesn't say when
[09:14] <bigcalm> gord: hence the legal debate
[09:14] <DJones> I did wonder how well any tablet would run ubuntu, I would have thought memory limitations would put pressure on it
[09:14] <gord> tablets have a lorra lorra memory these days
[09:15] <popey> LORRA LORRA!
[09:15] <DJones> gord, Still only 1gb ram, the rest is "disk" storage
[09:15] <gord> lorra lorra blinda data
[09:16]  * DJones wonders when cilla black became popey (or vice versa)
[09:16] <popey> NONSENSE NONSENSE NONSENSE!
[09:16] <popey> etc
[09:19] <DJones> popey, With your comment about ubuntu on the prime, are you aware if there is any official development for it?
[09:24] <Myrtti> theme tune of the day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w
[09:25] <popey> DJones: define "official"?
[09:25] <popey> I didn't mention the prime btw, just "transformer"
[09:25] <DJones> Ah, sorry, I read it as transformer prime
[09:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Looking forward to this tomorrow: http://www.saracensatwembley.com/ :-)
[09:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Amazed they have sold 75000 tickets. Going to be a big day. Think my younguns will enjoy the atmosphere...
[09:29] <DJones> popey, I guess by "official" I was looking at tablet versions sponsored/developed by canonical (not specifically for the prime/asus)
[09:30] <DJones> Was just looking at this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/ubuntu-tablet-to-compete-with-android-ios/ so I think that answers that question anyway
[09:34] <daubers> Does anyone know any VDA type apps for andorid?
[09:34] <oimon> xorg regularly uses nearly all cpu on this machine :( think i'll try another grpahics card
[09:35] <daubers> oimon: Or build a new windowing system :p
[09:45] <popey> DJones: nothing yet
[09:45] <popey> bug 969023
[09:45] <popey> anyone fancy trying to reproduce that?
[09:47] <czajkowski> sure
[09:47] <czajkowski> let me log out
[09:47] <popey> you need to mash loads of keys into it
[09:47] <gord> would anyone yell at me if i blocked the spotify indicator in unity?
[09:47] <popey> its unnecessary now its in the sound menu
[09:48] <popey> so long as you fix keyboard binding too ☺
[09:48] <czajkowski> popey: confirmed
[09:48] <czajkowski> gord: if you filt the alt key I'll never both you again
[09:48] <czajkowski> *bother
[09:49] <gord> alt key seems fine for me
[09:49] <AlanBell> orly
[09:49] <czajkowski> gord: you don't use screen do you :)
[09:49] <AlanBell> gord steals alt keys from guest VMs
[09:49] <czajkowski> for people who use screen in irssi it's a woeful pain in the you know whattis
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning AlanBell. How's the head today?
[09:51] <AlanBell> fine fine
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Jolly Dee.
[09:52] <popey> czajkowski: works for me
[09:52] <popey> czajkowski: what keyboard shortcut does it steal?
[09:53] <czajkowski> in screen in irssi it keeps popping the hud open :.
[09:53] <czajkowski> :/
[09:53] <popey> 10:52:27 < popey> czajkowski: what keyboard shortcut does it steal?
[09:54] <popey> I use Alt+Numbers and ALT+a a lot
[09:54] <BigRedS> czajkowski: it's less bad in the latest unity
[09:54] <BigRedS> that was irritating the hell out of me on Sunday
[09:55] <BigRedS> and then I dist-upgraded and it irritated me less frequently
[09:57] <czajkowski> popey: alt numbers/letters
[09:57] <czajkowski> I did dis upgrade this morning
[09:57] <BigRedS> and arrow keys, it was terminator it was annoying me for
[09:57] <AlanBell> czajkowski: you can use escape instead of alt as the irssi modifier
[09:57] <BigRedS> I think I did still end up setting the hud key to some daft combination in the end
[09:58] <BigRedS> which was a shame, I was sort-of getting in to using it. But not by enough to start breaking other muscle-memory
[09:59] <AlanBell> it is kind of annoying when trying to test ubuntu in a VM and do screencasts of it etc, when you try to demo the HUD and hit alt to bring it up and the host HUD decides to steal the alt key
[09:59] <czajkowski> AlanBell: oh didnt know that thanks, but that feels all sorts of wrong to change windows
[10:00] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I got used to it a while ago, escape is closer to the numbers
[10:01] <czajkowski> AlanBell: will give it a try and see it's when I go to alt l m b that esc seems very odd
[10:07] <davmor2> morning all
[10:11] <AlanBell> popey: bug 969044
[10:16] <czajkowski> ok does anyone here use their @ubuntu.com address on a ubuntu mailman lists?
[10:16] <czajkowski> are you able to send and receive them ?
[10:18] <popey> i dont
[10:20] <czajkowski> I am a litle baffled by a question since yesterday
[10:20]  * czajkowski goes to try and dig further 
[10:22] <popey> what question?
[10:23] <czajkowski> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/192063
[10:26] <popey> why does he think his address is domino@ubuntu.com ?
[10:26] <popey> it will be jhosman@ubuntu.com
[10:27] <bigcalm> dominos.co.uk!
[10:27] <bigcalm> Damn, not good to crave pizza
[10:27] <czajkowski> BigRedS: shh I just got papa johns sms offering free pizza
[10:28] <czajkowski> bigcalm: ^^^
[10:28]  * bigcalm tickles czajkowski with a tab typo ;)
[10:28] <czajkowski> autocomplete is gonna land me in hot bother one of these days
[10:28] <bigcalm> cz<tab> I agree
[10:28] <czajkowski> popey: aye :/ but he does say it works wiht gmail
[10:29] <popey> czajkowski: i dont actually understand what he's saying there
[10:30] <popey> the first problem is he's using the wrong address
[10:30] <czajkowski> aye am just replying that bit
[10:30] <czajkowski> and see if he understands
[10:30] <popey> ubuntu addresses are "launchpad_id@ubuntu.com"
[10:31] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~domino (who is not a member) would have that address
[10:37]  * davmor2 now thinks that czajkowski new job is that of a digger :D
[10:40] <MooDoo> davmor2: gold variety? ;)
[10:41] <davmor2> MooDoo: can see a trip to the naughty step in MooDoo 's future :D
[10:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: another case of opening up mouth before thinking
[10:45] <davmor2> MooDoo: whenever I see czajkowski say I'll dig into that, it reminds me of crocodile dundee 2  when leroy brown: I deliver stuff, cd: What kinda stuff, LB: Erasers pens paper, CD: And that heavy s**t, LB: No I'm strickly legit, you dig, CD: Yeap, is that part of the job, LB:WHAT?, CD: Diggin'
[10:46] <MooDoo> lol
[10:47] <davmor2> only problem now is I want to watch Crocodile Dundee :D
[10:57] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:59]  * AlanBell has borked broadband :(
[11:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh dear. And on invoicing day too...
[11:00] <AlanBell> yeah, tethering with gprs now, not fun :(
[11:00] <AlanBell> http://www.plus.net/supportpages.html?a=2&?helpheader=servicestatus
[11:00] <jussi> AlanBell: borked broadband?? is that a new brand :D
[11:00] <jussi> ?
[11:05] <n1md4> BigRedS: Do you want to hear a joke?   .... I'm running Ubuntu on my G4 ;D
[11:05] <n1md4> ... and KDE on the VAIO :>
[11:06] <kirrus> n1md4: BigRedS just went to the shops
[11:07] <chambo> Is anyone with experience of LDAP auth and SSL here?
[11:13] <popey> AlanBell: just tested your bug. on screen keyboard boots to 3d, orca screen reader boots to 2d
[11:15] <popey> hmm, i may have the wrong iso
[11:16] <popey> bah, yes, old iso
[11:17] <chambo> My bad - ldap fixed
[11:20] <AlanBell> popey: how did you start orca?
[11:20] <AlanBell> ctrl+s or from the panel menu?
[11:22] <popey> AlanBell: i started from the boot screen
[11:22] <popey> AlanBell: but it was an old iso, now trynig from ubuntu 12.04 beta 2
[11:23] <popey> AlanBell: Man = Keyboard, F5, Screen reader, "try ubuntu"
[11:23] <AlanBell> oh, don't do that
[11:23] <AlanBell> new way is sit and wait until you hear the drums, then ctrl+s
[11:24] <popey> why?
[11:24] <popey> this works
[11:24] <AlanBell> if you can see the man, yes
[11:24] <popey> who defined this "new way" ?
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> People :)
[11:25] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/oneiric-ocelot/
[11:25] <AlanBell> it was that way in oneiric
[11:25] <popey> ok, ctrl+s opens orca screen reader
[11:25] <popey> now what?
[11:31] <ali1234> df -h
[11:35]  * AlanBell wants fixed networking :(
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: did it break? how?
[12:07] <AlanBell> am I back?
[12:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> you appear to be
[12:07] <AlanBell> yay \o/
[12:36] <n1md4> kirrus: Hey  :)
[12:39] <kirrus> hey n1md4.
[12:39] <BigRedS> n1md4: what? There's still a Ubuntu PPC?
[12:40] <BigRedS> and KDE?
[12:41] <popey> http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/precise/ suggests yes
[12:42] <BigRedS> oh yeah
[12:42] <BigRedS> Haha, I think I was surprised by that about a year ago, too
[12:42] <BigRedS> that's not a canonical one is it?
[12:44] <popey> i dunno what the status is
[12:44] <dvdrw> Is PPC mac hardware?
[12:45] <kitsos> hello
[12:45] <kirrus> dvdrw: it's the old processor arch they used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC
[12:45] <kirrus> kitsos: hello
[12:46] <kitsos> can i ask you something?
[12:46] <dvdrw> prior to Intel
[12:46] <popey> !ask | kitsos
[12:46] <popey> (so yes)
[12:48] <kitsos> ok i am sorry.Well i have install apache2 in my computer and now i want to restart it "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart" the command but how can i find the "etc" i dont know where i saved it
[12:48] <dvdrw> etc is just a directory
[12:49] <kitsos> yes but what should i put there
[12:49] <brobostigon> ls /etc/init.d    to get the right name.
[12:49] <brobostigon> or use service, ie, "sudo service apache2 restart"
[12:49] <dvdrw> I just use "service apache2 restart"
[12:50] <ali1234> i just look sizeways at apache and it restarts
[12:50] <kitsos> :D Thank you guys
[12:50] <brobostigon> :)
[12:50] <dvdrw> another success story
[12:51] <brobostigon> collaborative.
[12:51] <kirrus> ali1234:really? what do you do to it? We have hundreds of machines running it happily ;)
[12:52] <ali1234> run it on a server with not enough ram i guess
[12:52] <ali1234> cd ..
[12:52] <kirrus> ali1234: use monit to restart it when ram gets low then :)
[12:53] <ali1234> yeah
[13:02] <BigRedS> or use lighttpd
[13:06] <kitsos> Drupal is good?
[13:08] <popey> depends what you want to use it for
[13:14] <kitsos> well actually i wanna make a website like dailmotion youtube and give the permission to users to upload videos!
[13:16] <bigcalm> You could probably achieve that with any CMS plus plugins. Drupal is OTT for a lot of things in my opinion though
[13:16] <bigcalm> Might be suited to your needs
[13:16] <dvdrw> like youdoubled?
[13:18] <kitsos> yes like that but there is something else i dont remember the name :/
[13:21] <kitsos> well i am begginer on linux i had install apache and all of this things on windows xp but with a friend.
[13:25] <arsen> drupal is quite involved, but very good.
[13:29] <kitsos> drupal is a web builder how we call it?
[13:30] <bigcalm> Drupal is a Content Management System
[13:32] <oimon> and quite complicated
[13:32] <kitsos> well can you tell me more Content Management System
[13:33] <ali1234> drupal seems to be designed around the idea of supporting a consultancy business
[13:33] <ali1234> it's very enterprisey
[13:33] <kirrus> short version, it gives you a web-gui to edit sites... wikipedia's got long version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_management_system
[13:38] <kitsos> there is only drupal?
[13:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> kitsos: Take a look at Joomla! too. It is somewhat easier to build websites in than Drupal but is still quite flexible due to the huge number of addons available.
[13:42] <directhex> wordpress!
[13:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.google.com/trends/?q=drupal,+Joomla
[13:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> directhex: Yes, Wordpress is pretty cool too.
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> But a bit harder to turn into a "proper" website than Joomla!
[13:43] <popey> http://www.google.com/trends/?q=drupal,+Joomla,+wordpress&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wordpress doesn;t count because of wordpress.com ;-)
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Actually I am surprised WP isn;t much higher than that
[13:44] <Daviey> Joomla! has a worse security history than nearly any other webap i've had to manage.
[13:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's been around longer ;-)
[13:44] <bigcalm> Just lost an 89 turn game of draw something because I miss-read frat as fart :(
[13:44] <Daviey> I know Wordpress is used quite heavily as a CMS for some people.
[13:45] <kitsos> guys can you tell me the most used?
[13:45] <ali1234> wordpress
[13:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> That depends on what it is used for.
[13:45] <Daviey> TheOpenSourcerer: You mean it's code is based on, back in the day, when writing retardedly insecure code was acceptable ? :)
[13:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wordpress is massive, because it runs Wordpress.com
[13:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> and runs millions of blogs
[13:45] <ali1234> at least
[13:46] <Daviey> and lots of sites, which wouldn't seem to be a blog from the appearance
[13:46] <kitsos> ok lets say that i have build my website on my localhost ok?how can i "upload" it and set it on?
[13:46] <ali1234> it's also by far the easiest to use and extend
[13:46] <kirrus> Daviey: really? Security wise, wordpress gives me far more headaches than joomla
[13:46] <Daviey> but, written in PHP, which makes babies weep.
[13:46] <Daviey> kirrus: Are you serious ?
[13:47] <kirrus> Daviey: deadly. Seriously, it's getting to the point I have to fix a cracked wordpress site once a week.
[13:47] <ali1234> i recently converted my webpage from drupal to wordpress
[13:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> kitsos: tar -zvf ~/mysite.tar.gz mysite_dir
[13:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> mysqldump -u user -p passwd db_name > db.sql
[13:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Then send them to your new host.
[13:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> and reverse the process. Will need to edit a config file to get the new paths right, but that's about it.
[13:48] <ali1234> setting up drupal took me a couple of weeks. converting everything to wordpress took my half an hour
[13:49] <kirrus> Daviey: admitedly, usually because people don't update wordpress, and crackers mass-exploit it, but still, there's a reason why there's this saying, and it's popular: "wordpress is an unauthenticated remote shell that, as a useful side feature, also contains a blog" (http://bash.org/?949214)
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> kitsos: Basically there are lots of *very* good and *very* popular Content Management Systems you can use. But this channel is probably not the best place to research your choice.
[13:51] <kitsos> TheOpenSourcerer: Thank you very much
[13:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> no problem.
[13:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm not saying to go away, but you can probably find some good comparisons on the Internet. We all have our favourites but they may or may not be the best for your needs.
[13:58] <kitsos> Yes i understand :P i've already bookmak this channel :) you helped me a lot today thank you all guys! :)
[13:59] <oimon> hmm machine froze and i lost my work... http://ubuntuone.com/2bX2MNr069BiljgPYKHEwv
[14:02] <popey> pretty!
[14:02] <DJones> Looks like coloured ascii art
[14:04] <Daviey> more like pacman
[14:05] <davmor2> oimon: that's hex colour blocks for the coded text,  "I told you to save, but no, you knew better" :D
[14:05] <BigRedS> kirrus: we do have billions more WP installs than Joomla ones
[14:06] <gord> would make for a pretty good wallpaper that
[14:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> BigRedS: "Billions"? really?
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> Bazillions!
[14:10] <davmor2> I see your Bazillions! and raise you Gazillions of bazillions of billions of millions of hundreds of thousands of tens of thousands of thousands of hundreds of tens of pounds of pence
[14:12] <kirrus> BigRedS: aye.. but that might say something about wordpress ;-) .. TBF, someone from ubu-uk community hosting a joomla site on my personal server didn't update it.. with bad consequences for their site
[14:15] <ali1234> failure to update is on thing but e107 takes security issues to a whole new place
[14:15] <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: yeah, to the nearest billion, excluding zero
[14:15] <BigRedS> :)
[14:16] <shauno> http://en.wordpress.com/stats/  is still a pretty surprising number
[14:21] <kirrus> ali1234: e107? (/me googles)
[14:58] <DJones> This sounds quite a fair and impartial comparison of the iPad and Transformer Prime http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/45050/new-ipad-vs-transformer-prime
[14:59] <PaulYosef> -_-
[14:59] <PaulYosef> hi folks
[15:00] <PaulYosef> dutch and belgian people are racist scum hiding in the dutch ubuntu rooms im just spreading this message because i fought there racism and now im some sort of paria there just to let you know
[15:00] <ikonia> !ops | PaulYosef fujisan known ubuntu troll: just tried to cause a problem in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:00] <ikonia> fujisan, I'm not sure why you are doing this
[15:18] <b1ackcr0w> hello all!
[15:19] <b1ackcr0w> I filed a bug earlier. was just looking for feedback on whether id filed it correctly ...
[15:19] <b1ackcr0w> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/969121
[15:26] <popey> hi b1ackcr0w
[15:27] <b1ackcr0w> yo popester
[15:27] <b1ackcr0w> how are you?
[15:28] <popey> fine, fine
[15:28] <popey> warm
[15:30]  * b1ackcr0w must get my head around doing a remix with the customizeation tool
[15:32] <b1ackcr0w> it may be the only way I can install
[15:33] <popey> not the only way ☺
[15:33] <popey> a way
[15:33]  * b1ackcr0w listens with interest
[15:33] <popey> sorry, on a call
[15:34] <b1ackcr0w> s'ok
[15:37] <brobostigon> ok, i have found out, i shouldnt backup the world files, for minetest, while the server is running. is there a way, i have it running from the directory i compiled it in, ~/minetest/bin/minetestserver . is there an automated way, of shutting it down, rsync'ing backup, and then firing the server back up again?
[15:37] <brobostigon> this is on ubuntu 11.10 server.
[15:45] <awilkins> brobostigon, Does minetest respond to signals, e.g. HUP
[15:45] <brobostigon> awilkins: no idea.
[15:45] <daubers> What's minetest?
[15:46] <awilkins> brobostigon, The idea being that you could run it in a shell script that loops infinitely around running minetest and doing a backup, if it does
[15:46] <brobostigon> daubers: it is a OSS version of minecraft, in c++.
[15:46] <brobostigon> awilkins: ah, interesting idea.
[15:46] <daubers> Oh
[15:48] <b1ackcr0w> popey: give us a shout when you're ready - I'm minimising for a mo
[15:50] <czajkowski> anyone who plays games on ubuntu want to help https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/192151
[15:51] <ali1234> site uses flash and java, therefore it will work about as well on ubuntu as it does anywhere else. which is to say, not very well, but there you go.
[15:52] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/108132/getting-pogo-games-to-work
[15:53] <b1ackcr0w> yup - i've just tested it with xubuntu - you may want to download chrome browser when you get ubuntu set up
[15:53] <b1ackcr0w> (quite easy in the software center
[15:53] <b1ackcr0w> but yeah - it seems to work fine
[15:59] <bigcalm> I am confused
[15:59] <bigcalm> Websites seem to say that ICS is out for UK Xoom users now. But I'm not seeing an update yet
[16:00] <AlanBell> bigcalm: is that a samsung?
[16:00] <bigcalm> davmor2: is your Xoom offering an update?
[16:00] <bigcalm> AlanBell: Motorola
[16:00] <AlanBell> ok, on the samsungs you have to install some windows sync thing to get it, they are not doing the over the air upgrade yet
[16:01] <davmor2> bigcalm nope
[16:01] <bigcalm> AlanBell: Yeah, when I saw the tweets I was miffed for Samsung owners :(
[16:01] <davmor2> where is the page that says it's available and is it over the air or not
[16:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: ^
[16:01] <bigcalm> It's OTA for wifi devices
[16:02] <bigcalm> http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/google-rolls-out-ics-4-0-4-firmware-update
[16:02] <bigcalm> Is one such page
[16:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://www.motorola.com/Support/GB-EN/Consumer-Support/TABLETS/MOTOROLA-XOOM-with-Wi-Fi-GB-EN only list 3.1 and 3.2
[16:14] <bigcalm> davmor2: when is double steak week?
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> always?
[16:15] <gord> steeeeeeeeeeeeakk
[16:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: 19th pre release party/happy hour
[16:15] <davmor2> gord: ^
[16:15] <bigcalm> gord: will you stick around for it?
[16:15] <gord> hum?
[16:15] <AlanBell> davmor2: what was the venue again?
[16:15] <bigcalm> The Moon Under Water
[16:16] <bigcalm> Weatherspoons
[16:16] <bigcalm> Wolverhampton
[16:16] <davmor2> AlanBell: can'[t accuse us of not raising the tone :)
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> Earth
[16:16] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: stopped myself from going that far
[16:17] <gord> hum, don't think so chaps
[16:17] <davmor2> did everyone see this yet http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/03/23/an-ultradeep-image-thats-full-galaxies/
[16:17] <bigcalm> gord: Thursday 19th is a workplace day. We're going to go to the gastropub we hold the LUG meets in afterwards for the party/happy hour
[16:18] <awilkins> Steak!?
[16:18] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1656/detail/
[16:18] <bigcalm> They do serve a very very nice steak
[16:18] <awilkins> Hmm. A little far to go.
[16:18] <davmor2> gord: how come dude, the pub has the cloud free wifi and everything ;)
[16:18] <davmor2> awilkins: wuss
[16:18] <gord> 18th is birthday, already got plans on the thursday sorry :)
[16:18] <bigcalm> Erm, I'm the event contact? ;)
[16:19] <bigcalm> Heh, fair enough
[16:19] <bigcalm> gord: aww, growing old is so much fun!
[16:19]  * awilkins is reminded to check what MadLab are doing on Saturday since he has to entertain his 7 yr old
[16:19] <davmor2> gord: that's no excuse I'm sure it isn't ;)
[16:20] <gordonjcp> I read that as Matlab the first time, I thought "that's not much fun for a 7-year-old..."
[16:20] <AlanBell> bigcalm: davmor2 wasn't on the list of available contacts :)
[16:20] <awilkins> She likes Khan Academy though
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> KHAAAAAN
[16:21] <awilkins> MadLab is an Arduino course on Saturday, a bit expensive and advanced for her
[16:21] <davmor2> AlanBell: why would I need contacting :P
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: sixtysymbols, periodicvideos, etc.?
[16:22]  * awilkins watches phosphorus
[16:22] <ali1234> cd .cache
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: BZZT
[16:22] <ali1234> stupid unity
[16:23] <AlanBell> davmor2: just log in to the loco directory I think
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: the "mini maker show" from makezine?
[16:24] <OmNomDePlume> MartijnVdS, my Dutch friend.
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> hmm?
[16:25] <OmNomDePlume> How goes in Dutchovia?
[16:25] <bigcalm> AlanBell: the pin in the map isn't actually near the venue :)
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> all is good in the Nether Lands
[16:26] <bigcalm> AlanBell: http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/pubs/the-moon-under-water-wolverhampton
[16:26]  * awilkins bookmarks enthusiastically
[16:26] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yeah, it does that, I will look up the right location later, you are lucky it isn't in kazakstan
[16:26] <bigcalm> HAha
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: got enough links? :)
[16:27] <OmNomDePlume> The Nether Regions
[16:27] <awilkins> The only bad think about that mini maker show is that she will start to emulate the hideous American accent
[16:27] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: well yes there's that
[16:27] <OmNomDePlume> When's the next #ubuntu UK meet?
[16:28] <bigcalm> davmor2: this is going to be a very long day for me. You get to go home after work before returning for the pub
[16:28] <awilkins> For some reason Flash is playing videos in blue
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> it's in its blue period
[16:28] <bigcalm> awilkins: blue movies?
[16:29] <awilkins> The colour balance is off
[16:29] <awilkins> It's like the red channel is supressed or something
[16:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: no I'm going straight to the pub too,  my plan is we head straight there scoff everyone else turns up at around 19:00 everyone goes home when they want to
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: ask gord about bugs in unity :)
[16:30] <bigcalm> davmor2: ah, fair enough
[16:30] <bigcalm> davmor2: any idea who else might turn up?
[16:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: no idea what so ever
[16:30] <bigcalm> Once the loco event has been fleshed out, it'll need tweeting and sending to the LUG list
[16:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone in the market for a new smartphone and likes Olympic football: http://www.mobilechoiceuk.com/News/Free+Olympic+tickets+from+Samsung/6727
[16:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: I already fb g+ and tweeted it why wait the general details are there
[16:33] <bigcalm> Fluffy muff
[16:34] <bigcalm> Yay, Hayley be home!
[16:35]  * davmor2 wonders if a can program Hayley to respond to that with a swift clip around the earhole
[16:43] <bigcalm> davmor2: eh?
[16:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: so you say: "Yay, Hayley be home!" and Hayley clips your ear for you :)
[16:46] <bigcalm> Aww :(
[16:46] <bigcalm> Why would you want that?
[16:47] <bigcalm> davmor2: who is croftyboy?
[16:49] <davmor2> bigcalm: for that bitter sweet feel Yay shes home, ow that hurt
[16:49] <bigcalm> davmor2: you're odd :P
[16:50] <davmor2> bigcalm: Mark Croft, lives in Rdditch used to come to Lug meetings when he could but hasn't been for a while
[16:50] <bigcalm> Fluffy muff
[16:50] <awilkins> Blue faces problem seems to be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/+bug/967091
[16:51] <awilkins> red and blue channels seem to be swapped
[16:51] <davmor2> bigcalm: fluffy really doesn't work there it should be furry like in this picture http://www.saaridesign.com/cart/image.php?type=P&id=52
[16:53] <awilkins> Love the bug description in the Adobe bug tracker "[Platform_Linux]White people are turned into smurfs on youtube" https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bug&id=3109467
[16:53] <bigcalm> davmor2: I used to say furry, but would mix it up with fury. Safer to say fluffy
[16:53] <bigcalm> awilkins: haha
[16:55] <awilkins> "Hi swbfan, thanks for your support Adobe Flash and report this issue. But we do not support Linux anymore post 11.2"
[16:56] <gord> heh spotify really shouldn't make the claim "access to pretty much all the worlds recorded music"
[16:56] <gord> not even close
[16:57] <awilkins> Enabling HW accelerated video fixes it. Hooray.
[16:59] <brobostigon> pub night?
[17:00] <brobostigon> just a minute, bbc2, :)
[17:00] <davmor2> gord: do they have Stan Ridgeway Camouflage
[17:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/18/2715572/ice-cream-sandwich-ota-update-motorola-xoom-wifi says rolling out tonight
[17:18] <bigcalm> \o/
[17:20] <bigcalm> davmor2: "All 10 owners will be very pleased no doubt" - did the Xoom not sell well?
[17:26] <directhex> bigcalm: no android tablet has, other than kindle fire
[17:26] <directhex> iirc the #2 tablet is still hp touchpad
[17:27] <bigcalm> Goodness
[17:27] <directhex> maybe fire is now #2
[17:27] <bigcalm> And the UK still hasn't got the Kindle Fire
[17:27] <directhex> ipad is #1 obviously
[17:27] <penguin42> bigcalm: Yeh they're nice hardware
[17:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: initially it did don't know once the rest started rolling out
[17:53] <bigcalm> Must stop myself from repeatedly checking for updates on the Xoom :S
[18:57] <kitsos> [Q]Hello everybody.Can i install ap server on ubuntu?
[18:57] <AlanBell> kitsos: can you be more specific?
[18:59] <kitsos> Sure.I was making a website with a friend (on windows XP) and i ask him the name of the server (i am begginer) and he told me ap server!on localhost
[19:00] <AlanBell> hmm
[19:00] <AlanBell> let me take a wild guess that you mean a LAMP server
[19:00] <AlanBell> which is Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP
[19:00] <AlanBell> !lamp
[19:00] <AlanBell> and the answer is yes, you can
[19:01] <kitsos> i have install right now on my system (ubuntu 11.10)apache2,php5,mysql.
[19:20] <ali1234> the beta 2 installer CD has one of those welcome pages about rhythmbox, and the screenshot is banshee
[19:22] <directhex> :D
[19:23] <ali1234> it's a really nice screenshot too
[19:23] <ali1234> showing the album browser, the one that rhythmbox doesn't have
[19:27] <ali1234> which package is responsible for putting that ubuntu one installer on the launcher on a fresh install?
[19:29] <ali1234> found it, ubuntuone-installer
[19:29] <kitsos> well do you guys any good tutorial for javascript?
[19:29] <kitsos> Do you have **
[19:33] <reaper4334> kitsos: Your best bet would be to search on Google, and have a look at a few of the results, rather than just one tutorial :)
[19:34] <kitsos> Thanks for your advise
[19:38] <zleap> kitsos, i think codeacademy was teaching java
[19:40] <kitsos> w3schools?
[19:40] <ali1234> bug 969533
[19:41] <ali1234> bug 969538
[19:41] <reaper4334> kitsos: Yeah,  w3schools is pretty popular
[19:42] <ali1234> w3schools is a good reference but i don't think they have much tutorial type content
[19:42] <ali1234> maybe i just missed it
[19:51]  * AlanBell is now authorized to travel to the United States \o/
[19:52] <AlanBell> I paid my $14 to prove I am a worthy person
[19:53] <gord> hrm forgot about that... maybe i can extend my previous esta and not have to pay
[19:53] <popey> ooh, how do you check if you have esta?
[19:53] <AlanBell> my one lasts to 2014 now
[19:53] <AlanBell> https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/
[19:54] <AlanBell> fill in the form on the right if you can
[20:01] <popey> does it tell you if you already have it?
[20:09] <popey> "Authorization Approved
[20:09] <popey> \o/
[20:19] <dogmatic69> any know what is the default email program in 10.10
[20:20] <DJones> I think its evolution
[20:21] <dogmatic69> that is it
[20:21] <DJones> Pretty sure its been that way for quite a few releases
[20:22] <ali1234> not any more though
[20:22] <dogmatic69> ye, thunderbird seems to be the default
[20:22] <DJones> ali1234: What is it in 12.04
[20:22] <dogmatic69> ^
[20:22] <ali1234> yeah
[20:22] <ali1234> oneiric too i think
[20:23] <dogmatic69> DJones: I'm running 12.04 :)
[20:23] <dogmatic69> <3
[20:23] <DJones> I had to install thunderbird in oneric
[20:30] <dogmatic69> anyone know where evolution is hiding the files in 12? not ~/.evolution it seems
[20:32] <popey> probably ~/.cache/evolution
[20:33] <ali1234> hey looks like my u1 is working now
[20:35] <DJones> ali1234: What have you done? Broken it for everybody else?
[20:35] <ali1234> no i just did a fresh install
[20:35] <deerhunter> hey guys, is this the place to get some help with 11.10
[20:36] <popey> yeah, gwan
[20:36] <DJones> We'll try, if we can't help, you may get pointed to #ubuntu which is the main supprt channel, ask your question anyway
[20:37] <dogmatic69> popey: thanks. There is some there, but not all of it :/
[20:38] <deerhunter> ok, im running 11.10, and it wont recognise my intergrated graphics card...
[20:38] <popey> what makes you say that deerhunter ?
[20:40] <deerhunter> you tube, facebook games are so laggy, basicly everything that requires graphics card. im a bit of a noob, but if someone can give terminal codes to fix this
[20:41] <popey> deerhunter: what hardware do you have?
[20:41] <popey> laptop/desktop? make/model? Do you know what video card it has?
[20:42] <deerhunter> dell inspiron 1300, unsure of card, is there a way i can find out
[20:42] <popey> i'll google
[20:43] <popey> deerhunter: you at the machine right now?
[20:44] <deerhunter> yeah, i have terminal open
[20:44] <popey> ok, do sudo lshw -C video | grep product
[20:45] <AlanBell> I have a Dell Inspiron 1300 (or my son does)
[20:45] <popey> and let us know what the product is
[20:46] <deerhunter> what do you mean product
[20:47] <deerhunter> product: Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller
[20:47] <deerhunter> sorry im a bit of a noob
[20:48]  * AlanBell boots up the laptop
[20:48] <AlanBell> it is an intel card and the drivers are as good as they are going to get
[20:49] <AlanBell> I stuck 2GB of ram in it and it goes OK
[20:49] <deerhunter> so i cant fix it,
[20:50] <deerhunter> mine has 2GB of ram
[20:50] <AlanBell> I am running 11.10 on this one it is doing unity 3d
[20:51] <deerhunter> whats that
[20:51] <AlanBell> the unity desktop has the launcher down the left and the dash that pops out
[20:52] <AlanBell> there are two variants, 3d and 2d
[20:52] <AlanBell> if you have a default install of 11.10 you are probably running the same stuff
[20:53] <deerhunter> i also have that, the laptop runs like a dream apart from the graphics side of things
[20:53] <AlanBell> maybe try installing chromium-browser that is a bit faster than firefox
[20:53] <popey> same flash plugin tho
[20:53] <ali1234> actually it might not be
[20:53] <popey> so flash games will still be slow
[20:53] <ali1234> chrome uses it's own
[20:53] <popey> well, not dramatically better
[20:53] <popey> same as in "still shit"
[20:53] <ali1234> oh sure, it won't be better
[20:53] <deerhunter> lol, i done that, but its the same
[20:54] <AlanBell> scrolling about in facebook will be a bit quicker in chromium
[20:54] <popey> true
[20:54] <ali1234> btw, anyone else got youtube videos all the wrong colours?
[20:54] <popey> moving a bitmap about
[20:54] <AlanBell> it runs like a single core 1.5ghz celeron :)
[20:54] <deerhunter> celeron M
[20:54] <AlanBell> yup
[20:54] <popey> AlanBell: just highlighted you on G+
[20:54] <popey> see his pic
[20:54] <deerhunter> me to
[20:55] <deerhunter> so has anyone any ideas
[20:55] <AlanBell> tab quicklists!
[20:56] <AlanBell> deerhunter: facebook games are generally not using the accellerated graphics anyhow
[20:56] <AlanBell> they are just flash and/or javascript I think
[20:57] <ali1234> flash uses loads of acceleration when it is available
[20:57] <ali1234> actually, javascript/browser stuff does too these days
[20:57] <AlanBell> webgl maybe
[20:57] <ali1234> no, anythng
[20:57] <deerhunter> is there anything i can do
[20:57] <AlanBell> and flash uses hardware codecs
[20:57] <ali1234> and opengl
[20:58] <deerhunter> where is it
[21:00] <AlanBell> lets compare speeds deerhunter
[21:00] <deerhunter> how can i check speeds
[21:00] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
[21:01] <AlanBell> oh, maybe not, that is capped at 60 frames per second now
[21:02] <AlanBell> um, can anyone think of a simple graphical benchmark we can both run?
[21:02] <deerhunter> im not that advanced. lol
[21:02] <AlanBell> or how to run glxgears unsynced from the refresh rate?
[21:07] <AlanBell> deerhunter: ok, we can do a comparison
[21:07] <AlanBell> if you do sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
[21:07] <AlanBell> then run glxgears
[21:07] <AlanBell> then maximise the window with the gears in for a minute or two then close it
[21:08] <AlanBell> you should have in your terminal window something like . . .
[21:09] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/907854
[21:09] <popey> glxgears is not a benchmark
[21:09] <AlanBell> yeah, I know
[21:09] <AlanBell> but if you get 30 frames per second and I get 30 frames per second then the graphics performance is broadly similar
[21:17] <DJones> AlanBell: I was getting ~ 60 FPS with an onboard intel HD graphics
[21:17] <AlanBell> yeah, it will max out at your framerate now
[21:17] <AlanBell> compiz forces it to sync to vblank
[21:18] <AlanBell> on my laptop I can't get it to budge from 60fps, but on Kierans at fullscreen it drops to 30
[21:19] <DJones> This is a laptop as well
[21:19] <DJones> running in a window
[21:19] <AlanBell> which again probably isn't very benchmarkish because it just means it can manage to meet the deadline every second vblank
[21:19] <AlanBell> DJones: is it an elderly celeron?
[21:20] <DJones> AlanBell: i3
[21:20] <DJones> 12 months old
[21:21] <AlanBell> same as my main laptop then
[21:21] <DJones> Maybe this of some use http://happylinuxthoughts.blogspot.co.uk/2007/11/benchmark-your-system-in-ubuntu.html
[21:22] <DJones> Suggest using nexuiz as a benchmark :)
[21:23] <AlanBell> I am just doing an update on it and I will give that a go
[21:23] <AlanBell> I think I might have installed nexuiz on it already
[21:23] <DJones> I'm doing the same
[21:24] <AlanBell> it has just installed new intel graphics drivers so it will be interesting to see if that changes the performance (probably won't)
[21:26] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPr5RBegxpY
[21:30] <ali1234> AlanBell: the beta 2 release notes specifically says orca doesn't work :/
[21:31] <ali1234> why does orca speech sound so weeeeird?
[21:31] <AlanBell> orca does work, unity3d doesn't
[21:32] <ali1234> "psh booooot-en"
[21:32] <AlanBell> it is using espeak which is a very lightweight mechanical speech synthesis engine that will do loads of languages
[21:32] <AlanBell> yeah, it sounds pretty bad
[21:32] <AlanBell> but it fits on the CD
[21:32] <ali1234> fair doos
[21:32] <AlanBell> and supports all the languages
[21:34] <AlanBell> there are much better synthesisers that speech dispatcher can drive
[21:34] <ali1234> "dot dot dot"
[21:35] <AlanBell> this is why I want people to test their applications with orca :)
[21:36] <AlanBell> it reads a lot of garbage out
[21:36] <ali1234> you're cheating by knowing what the menus look like and how they are layed out
[21:36] <AlanBell> yes I am
[21:36] <AlanBell> it isn't very discoverable
[21:37] <ali1234> "escape escape"
[21:39] <AlanBell> yeah, loads of broken stuff in the indicator menus
[21:39] <ali1234> i think by this point i would have given up and done something more productive
[21:39] <AlanBell> things that are silent, lables that are wrong
[21:39] <DJones> Bloody hell, couldn't find a way to quit nexuiz, ended up having to restart to quit the game
[21:39] <AlanBell> places you can get stuck
[21:40] <AlanBell> I am going to go through the installer this time
[21:42] <ali1234> what it says "backspace" i thought it was saying something really rude
[21:54] <ali1234> "paste" and "create new" menu options ghosted in nautilus, even though i have access to the folder...
[21:54] <ali1234> and clicking them still works
[21:54] <ali1234> craaaaaazy
[22:00] <dogmatic69> I don't know if its because of the clean install, SSD, or 12.04 but things open quick. LibreOffice Writer literally takes a few ms to completely open and be ready to work
[22:02] <ali1234> bug 969642
[22:32] <gord> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA3OTY neat-o
[22:42] <dwatkins> I'm quite surprised at that, gord - it's good, but considering Linux' desktop market share, I didn't expect Steam support for a while.
[22:42] <gord> valve are a distribution company, they want as many fingers in as many pies as possible
[22:43] <gord> even small market shares add up to quite some pennies over time
[22:45] <dwatkins> This is true, and it should also encourage Linux usage, which will increase the market. This will give them an edge over whatever competition they still have (I guess EA).
[23:15] <dogmatic69> Im not managing to get my mail converted to 12 :/
[23:16] <dogmatic69> its picking up the folders and mails, just not the accounts
[23:16] <dogmatic69> been trying with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MigrateEvolutionToNewComputer
[23:30] <dwatkins> 12, dogmatic69?
[23:30] <dogmatic69> 12.04
[23:31] <dwatkins> ah I see
[23:31] <dogmatic69> the structure is different
[23:31] <dogmatic69> 10.10 had ~/.evolution 12.04 not
[23:32] <dwatkins> I assume it's not a permissions problem
[23:32] <dogmatic69> no
[23:32] <dogmatic69> it seems to just be a difference in structure problem
[23:33] <dogmatic69> Ive been copying files all over trying various things. best I got was all the correct personal folders and emails. but no accounts.
[23:33] <dwatkins> If you setup accounts from scratch, where does it store the information?
[23:34] <dogmatic69> never been able to get the accounts. once it even popped up saying this is the old structure, do you want to update
[23:34] <dogmatic69> hm, created a dummy account but cant seem to find it
[23:37] <Azelphur> I'm trying to find something decent to do text to speech with, somehow.
[23:37] <dogmatic69> only thing I could think of is to make ~/ a git repo, then add a account and go git diff
[23:37] <Azelphur> I'm not at all fond of the festival voices
[23:37] <ali1234> Azelphur: just read it out yourself?
[23:38] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha, that violates the point :P
[23:38] <Azelphur> but yea, does anyone know something high quality (Web API, Wine?)
[23:38] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: flite?
[23:38] <gordonjcp> Wine isn't a speech synth...
[23:39] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: obviously I meant that there may be windows-only synths that are better and run under wine
[23:39] <Azelphur> and...you just suggested festival lite...
[23:40] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: I know there are speech synths for windows, but I've never found them to be in any way intelligibile
[23:40] <gordonjcp> *intelligible
[23:40] <Azelphur> :(
[23:40] <Azelphur> I mean, there are ones on the web with demos and stuff that are just so far ahead compared to festival
[23:40] <gordonjcp> my ex used to use some Kurzweil thing because she is ridiculously dyslexic
[23:41] <ali1234> microsoft bob?
[23:41] <Azelphur> I'm trying to make a talking clock :p
[23:41] <ali1234> that's easy
[23:41] <gordonjcp> it cost about six grand and sounded like Stephen Hawking getting the shit kicked out of him in a washing machine full of ducks
[23:41] <ali1234> just record all the possible times
[23:41] <Azelphur> ali1234: a talking web 2.0 clock that pulls news feeds ands tuff.
[23:41] <ali1234> put them in a rom
[23:41] <Azelphur> lol
[23:41] <ali1234> problem solved
[23:41] <gordonjcp> not even that, just record the numbers that you can put together
[23:42] <ali1234> yeah, that's what i meant
[23:42] <gordonjcp> flite can't rap -> http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/mp3s/spd-pe.ogg
[23:42] <Azelphur> you want me to record every single possibility that could ever come up on a news feed?
[23:42] <Azelphur> got an unlimited supply of monkeys?
[23:42] <ali1234> that's not a clock then it is?
[23:42] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: hehe
[23:42] <ali1234> you could put that job on mechanical turk
[23:42] <ali1234> "read out this webpage"
[23:42] <ali1234> then just play the result
[23:42] <Azelphur> >.<
[23:43] <Azelphur> terrible suggestions are terrible
[23:43] <ali1234> have you ever heard of this thing called a radio?
[23:43] <ali1234> you can tune in to 5 live and get the news... and they tell you the time every 10 minutes as well
[23:43] <Azelphur> dig a hole of terrible suggestions, dig deeper still
[23:43] <Azelphur> :p
[23:44] <gordonjcp> festival can sing -> http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/mp3s/robots.mp3
[23:44] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: done the git thing, does not make much sense. http://bin.cakephp.org/view/2131877590
[23:44] <Azelphur> If you look at like http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html for example, select UK Peter, that's the kinda quality I'm thinking
[23:44] <ali1234> vocaloid is pretty good. if you want singing.
[23:44] <Azelphur> *stab* I don't want singing
[23:45] <Azelphur> I just want some text to speech that sounds better than my Amiga did in 1996
[23:45] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: that's about the state of the art, unfortunately
[23:45] <gordonjcp> unless you want to go to ridiculous lengths
[23:46] <ali1234> i don't know if this is true, but i read that the amiga voice synth was developed in minnesota
[23:46] <ali1234> which is why it sounds so robotic
[23:46] <dogmatic69> I have even installed a sql lite thing and none of the db's have the account in
[23:46] <ali1234> everyone in minnesota sounds like that
[23:46] <Azelphur> in fact...watching a video on youtube, the Amiga voice synth is actually quite superior to festival o.O
[23:48] <Azelphur> so besides terrible suggestions that arn't the answer to the question, anyone got any ideas?
[23:49] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: a) use festival, b) buy very very expensive software, c) roll your own
[23:49] <Azelphur> \o/
[23:49] <shauno> get an amiga and a serial cable :)
[23:51] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTtZ_CRo6E8
[23:51] <ali1234> (ignore stupid video)