[05:56] <Cuttlefish> What is a good program for someone who knows nothing about
[05:57] <Cuttlefish> linux to get started in the direction of developing?
[05:58] <gua> Cuttlefish: that depends a lot on your goals/preferences
[05:59] <gua> what you want to build, what language(s), if you're okay reading books or tutorials, are you okay with taking a while to learn an editor or do you want to start learning a language right away
[05:59] <gua> or do you know a language or languages and want to apply them specifically to linux development
[06:02] <Cuttlefish> I took an intro Java class in college
[06:02] <Cuttlefish> that's about it
[06:03] <Cuttlefish> I would like to learn a language like c but I really would like a project
[06:03] <Cuttlefish> to work towards that can help me learn
[06:03] <Cuttlefish> I probably would like to deal with something in TCP/IP if that even makes sense in regards to developing linux
[06:03] <gua> Cuttlefish: search the reddit subreddit /r/learnprogramming for learning c
[06:04] <gua> one book on linuxish programming that people recommend is the unix programming environment
[06:04] <gua> also you have to pick if you want to use an editor like vim or emacs or an IDE like eclipse
[06:05] <Cuttlefish> I can't just nano it? lol
[06:05] <gua> well yeah, but i'd actually recommend something like gedit over nano
[06:05] <Cuttlefish> ok
[06:05] <gua> gedit at least has syntax highlighting
[06:05] <gua> my personal view is learning vim and emacs is good to do eventually. so the sooner you do it the better, but not everyone agrees with that.
[06:07] <Cuttlefish> do you like vim or emacs more?
[06:10] <gua> heh
[06:11] <gua> Cuttlefish: i think you should do the intro tutorial for each and decide. they both have included tutorials.
[06:12] <Cuttlefish> ok thanks
[06:12] <gua> C-h t   (hold control and press h, then release both and press t) for emacs
[06:13] <gua> vimtutor    (the command in a terminal) for vim
[06:13] <gua> they are quite different from stuff like nano and eclipse and visual studio, so expect a learning curve
[06:16] <Cuttlefish> Hey thanks for all the help
[15:50] <pleia2> some additional eyeballs to review would be helpful :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/PublicTransit
[16:21] <greg-g> pleia2: nice photo of the info booth (as in, nice job taking a photo of it, I would have forgot)
[16:23] <pleia2> I actually did forget :) after getting off the plane my fiance goes "Didn't you want to check on Clipper cards while we were here?" :)
[16:23] <greg-g> :)
[16:23] <greg-g> even after that I would have forgot the photo part :)
[16:24] <pleia2> we went up and spoke with the people at the booth to get details, and I love pictures
[16:28] <greg-g> pitures++
[16:28] <greg-g> also, great photos from Philly, especially the model train at the arboretum
[16:29] <bkerensa> pleia2:  PublicTrans looks accurate
[16:34] <pleia2> thanks bkerensa
[16:36] <greg-g> yeah, my non-comment on actual useful content should indicate that I did not find anything wrong with it, pleia2
[16:36] <pleia2> oh good, thanks greg-g
[16:36] <pleia2> I've never taken AC Transit, so I might need to track down some Oaklandites
[16:37] <DonkeyHotei> i've taken it
[16:37] <DonkeyHotei> not really different from sf-muni
[16:37] <greg-g> yeah, never done OAK stuff
[16:38] <pleia2> their site says $.25 transfers, is that any transfers or after a time period?
[16:38] <greg-g> do we care to talk about Caltrain? I mean, it isn't useful for UDS-specific stuff, only if they want to go to Mozilla's office/Google/etc
[16:38] <DonkeyHotei> pleia2: i don't remember, and at this point i wouldn't care, because i have a clipper card
[16:38] <pleia2> greg-g: I was debating that, I think I will end up adding it now that you've mentioned it
[16:40] <greg-g> heh, ok
[16:43] <bkerensa> I have to go to Mozilla when I am down for UDS but not the Mountain View Office :D
[16:45] <greg-g> bkerensa: be thankful
[16:46] <bkerensa> greg-g: I hear the new SF office is really swanky and volunteers have co-working space available on-demand :D
[16:48] <greg-g> bkerensa: yeah, I haven't been there, but a few people I know have, and the view is awesome and everyone loves it :)
[23:53] <pleia2> ooh, I am totally going to make "I'm a local" buttons for us to wear at UDS
[23:54]  * philipballew wants one
[23:55] <philipballew> Critical mass is tonight! Totally gonna rock!