[05:56] What is a good program for someone who knows nothing about [05:57] linux to get started in the direction of developing? [05:58] Cuttlefish: that depends a lot on your goals/preferences [05:59] what you want to build, what language(s), if you're okay reading books or tutorials, are you okay with taking a while to learn an editor or do you want to start learning a language right away [05:59] or do you know a language or languages and want to apply them specifically to linux development [06:02] I took an intro Java class in college [06:02] that's about it [06:03] I would like to learn a language like c but I really would like a project [06:03] to work towards that can help me learn [06:03] I probably would like to deal with something in TCP/IP if that even makes sense in regards to developing linux [06:03] Cuttlefish: search the reddit subreddit /r/learnprogramming for learning c [06:04] one book on linuxish programming that people recommend is the unix programming environment [06:04] also you have to pick if you want to use an editor like vim or emacs or an IDE like eclipse [06:05] I can't just nano it? lol [06:05] well yeah, but i'd actually recommend something like gedit over nano [06:05] ok [06:05] gedit at least has syntax highlighting [06:05] my personal view is learning vim and emacs is good to do eventually. so the sooner you do it the better, but not everyone agrees with that. [06:07] do you like vim or emacs more? [06:10] heh [06:11] Cuttlefish: i think you should do the intro tutorial for each and decide. they both have included tutorials. [06:12] ok thanks [06:12] C-h t (hold control and press h, then release both and press t) for emacs [06:13] vimtutor (the command in a terminal) for vim [06:13] they are quite different from stuff like nano and eclipse and visual studio, so expect a learning curve [06:16] Hey thanks for all the help [15:50] some additional eyeballs to review would be helpful :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/PublicTransit [16:21] pleia2: nice photo of the info booth (as in, nice job taking a photo of it, I would have forgot) [16:23] I actually did forget :) after getting off the plane my fiance goes "Didn't you want to check on Clipper cards while we were here?" :) [16:23] :) [16:23] even after that I would have forgot the photo part :) [16:24] we went up and spoke with the people at the booth to get details, and I love pictures [16:28] pitures++ [16:28] also, great photos from Philly, especially the model train at the arboretum [16:29] pleia2: PublicTrans looks accurate [16:34] thanks bkerensa [16:36] yeah, my non-comment on actual useful content should indicate that I did not find anything wrong with it, pleia2 [16:36] oh good, thanks greg-g [16:36] I've never taken AC Transit, so I might need to track down some Oaklandites [16:37] i've taken it [16:37] not really different from sf-muni [16:37] yeah, never done OAK stuff [16:38] their site says $.25 transfers, is that any transfers or after a time period? [16:38] do we care to talk about Caltrain? I mean, it isn't useful for UDS-specific stuff, only if they want to go to Mozilla's office/Google/etc [16:38] pleia2: i don't remember, and at this point i wouldn't care, because i have a clipper card [16:38] greg-g: I was debating that, I think I will end up adding it now that you've mentioned it [16:40] heh, ok [16:43] I have to go to Mozilla when I am down for UDS but not the Mountain View Office :D [16:45] bkerensa: be thankful [16:46] greg-g: I hear the new SF office is really swanky and volunteers have co-working space available on-demand :D [16:48] bkerensa: yeah, I haven't been there, but a few people I know have, and the view is awesome and everyone loves it :) === Faqtotum is now known as DonkeyHotei [23:53] ooh, I am totally going to make "I'm a local" buttons for us to wear at UDS [23:54] * philipballew wants one [23:55] Critical mass is tonight! Totally gonna rock!