[01:13] <jrwren> why not?
[01:13]  * jrwren thinks about upgrading
[01:58] <rick_h> jrwren: this is why I said no at first: http://benjaminkerensa.com/2012/03/29/ubuntu-12-04-beta-2-not-released
[01:58] <rick_h> I wasn't sure what was up so said not to upgrade
[03:02] <snap-l> But now that it's up, don't upgrade.
[03:02] <snap-l> stay stagnant. :)
[11:23] <rick_h> morning and tgif
[11:37] <snap-l> Feels like Saturday.
[12:15] <_stink_> morning
[12:16] <brousch> FRIDAY
[12:18] <rick_h> yay
[12:28] <brousch> hm http://liliputing.com/2012/03/vivaldi-tablet-with-kde-plasma-active-dissected.html
[12:28] <brousch> kind of exciting, but not much better specs than my nook color
[13:49] <brousch> son of a bitch
[13:50] <brousch> has anyone seen these new buncled PDFs?
[13:50] <brousch> bundled
[13:50] <rick_h> nope
[13:50] <brousch> it's a pdf that contain multiple pdfs
[13:50] <rick_h> interesting
[13:51] <brousch> no, it is annoying
[13:51] <brousch> i don't think any of the linux pdf readers can handle it, except adobe's
[13:51] <rick_h> try chrome? probably not but curious
[13:52] <brousch> nope
[13:54] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/pdfuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.png
[13:54] <brousch> that's the same thing i get with other readers
[13:54] <Milyardo> Bundled PDFs? A they just wrapped in a zip container or something?
[13:54] <rick_h> lol
[13:55] <brousch> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/Reader/8.0/help.html?content=WSE034CA46-D08F-4fff-AA3C-FF04510DAEF0.html
[13:57] <brousch> just when i get all these messed up pdfs handled correctly, they throw a new thing like this at me
[13:57] <brousch> I NEED PDF SERENTIY NOW
[13:58] <Milyardo> TIL PDFs are now a archival utility
[14:00] <brousch> Milyardo: eh?
[14:05] <brousch> ok, it looks like pdftk can handle these with `pdftk file.pdf unpack_file`
[14:07] <brousch> i had recently removed pdftk because it didn't handle other types of pdf correctly.
[14:12] <brousch> now i get to figure out how to detect if a pdf is a collection and then add yet another step to the cleanup process
[14:25] <snap-l> brousch: Can't you detect these, and then send a nice note to whomever sent then saying, very politely "KNOCK THAT SHIT OFF"?
[14:26] <brousch> i can do that in exactly the same way you can do away with excel
[14:26] <snap-l> Yeah, but those aren't PDFs.
[14:27] <snap-l> They bundles
[14:28] <brousch> they have a .pdf extension
[14:29] <snap-l> brousch: Extensions aren't magic. :)
[14:29] <brousch> they are created via the same process as regular pdfs
[14:29] <snap-l> Can you load them on a nook?
[14:29] <brousch> i need to be able to handle them in PdfSerenityNow
[14:30] <brousch> snap-l: probably through the adobe reader
[14:30] <snap-l> Try it
[14:32] <brousch> works fine
[14:32] <brousch> through the adobe reader on nook
[14:32] <snap-l> Really? That's surprising
[14:32] <snap-l> Does the built-in reader support it too?
[14:33] <brousch> it's an adobe thing
[14:33] <brousch> kindle reader barfs
[14:33] <snap-l> yeah, I'd imagine
[14:33] <snap-l> The mobile readers tend to lag pretty heavily behind what acrobat can generate
[14:33] <brousch> apparently it's been available for a few years
[14:34] <snap-l> at least that's my experience.
[14:34] <snap-l> though I wonder how much of that is Adobe's fault, and how much of it is OSS PDF libraries.
[14:55] <brousch> i use pypdf to count the number of pages in a pdf. i think i'll get with the pypdf author and see if we can add collection detection
[15:24] <smoser> snap-l, you have one of these: http://moofi.woot.com/moofi/pedantic
[15:24] <smoser> right?
[15:24] <smoser> that you bought from jcastro i think
[15:25] <snap-l> Yah, the x120e
[15:25] <smoser> happy with it?
[15:25] <smoser> how is battery life
[15:25] <snap-l> Battery life is amazing
[15:25] <snap-l> makes it through a CHC without a problem
[15:25] <snap-l> I like it
[15:26] <snap-l> Interesting that they show it with the low battery life LED showing. :)
[15:28] <smoser> its kinda tempting
[15:28] <smoser> although maybe i'll just buy http://annarbor.craigslist.org/sys/2890411302.html
[15:28] <rick_h> that is tempting, especially as a wife machine
[15:29] <snap-l> smoser: Well, you're giving up more disk and 4GB of RAM
[15:29] <snap-l> and new IBM smell
[15:29] <snap-l> er, Thinkpad
[15:29] <smoser> ewll if the memory is 1 stick, then 2GB still cheap to buy.
[15:30] <snap-l> I don't think mine as BT, though, so that is kinda nice.
[15:30] <snap-l> pretty top-o-the-line
[15:32] <rick_h> lol http://superuser.com/questions/231273/what-are-the-windows-a-and-b-drives-used-for
[15:32] <rick_h> nothing like feeling a bit old
[15:32] <rick_h> between that and seeing the liquor age sign at 1990 at the gas station yesterday...feeling old
[15:35] <brousch> rick_h: i think i found 2 gray hairs in my beard yesterday
[15:35] <rick_h> I'm skipping grey and going straight to white
[15:35] <brousch> my wife said they were blond, but i think she's just being nice
[15:35] <rick_h> lol
[15:36] <snap-l> you can all shut the old talk now
[15:36] <snap-l> ;)
[15:36] <brousch> snap-l: getting a hoverround this year?
[15:37] <snap-l> Getting a computer-vision-powered turret to keep the damn kids off my lawn
[15:41] <brousch> FML. apparently i'm dealing with the friendly kind of pdf package http://acrobatusers.com/tutorials/where_did_pdf_packages_go
[15:42] <snap-l> http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/ob/flowchart.png
[15:42] <snap-l> brousch: Congratulations.
[15:42]  * ColonelPanic001 brags that his scruffy beard remains reddish blond with no grey.
[15:43] <ColonelPanic001> when I get old and it goes white, I'm going to leave my hair and beard untrimmed and look like Gandalf.
[15:44] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: JoDee already told me when I go bald, I can have a skullet
[15:44] <ColonelPanic001> \m/
[15:44] <snap-l> Totally going the Devin Townsend route.
[15:45] <ColonelPanic001> it's only proper, for the good of OMC
[15:47] <snap-l> heh
[15:48] <brousch> screw it, i'm going the lazy route
[15:59] <nullspace> wooo thundersnow!
[16:00] <nullspace> fuck you too march
[16:00] <rick_h> yea, kind of crazy out there
[16:17] <rick_h> geeze, talk about a few items http://www.googlestore.com/shop.axd/Home
[16:27] <snap-l> I'm totally getting the Google cape
[16:28] <snap-l> http://www.googlestore.com/Wearables/Android+Restroom+Sign+T-Shirt.axd ???
[16:30] <greg-g> hilarious, i've been sitting here at the coffee shop for about 15 minutes with my heapphones on but not plugged into my laptop
[16:31] <greg-g> good think I wasn't playing anything :)
[16:31] <greg-g> (especially OMC)
[16:31] <greg-g> s/think/thing/ # come on coffee, KICK IN!
[16:31] <snap-l> hah
[16:32] <greg-g> i think headphones are part for music and part just mental
[16:33] <snap-l> Yeah, I've been guilty of wearing headphones with nothing on
[16:33] <snap-l> mostly because it's an easy DND sign
[16:34] <greg-g> indeed
[16:34] <greg-g> too bad my coworker doesn't get the hint
[16:35] <snap-l> Just get some GTFO headphones
[16:35] <snap-l> I think Bose makes e'm
[16:35] <greg-g> haha, yeah, I could bring my Seinheisens (I suck at spelling)
[16:36] <greg-g> but those are open air so they're kind of loud for other people
[16:38] <snap-l> Which is why you need to play some slayet
[16:39] <snap-l> Slayet
[16:39] <snap-l> Oh FFS
[16:39] <snap-l> SLAYER
[16:39] <snap-l> because as we all know, hippies can't stand Slayer. :)
[16:39] <snap-l> Which either means greg-g isn't a true hippie, or South Park lied to us
[16:40] <greg-g> A) not a huge fan of slayer, B) South Park still lied
[16:40] <snap-l> Damnit
[16:42] <greg-g> sorry to be the bearer of bad news
[17:27] <smoser> man...
[17:27] <smoser> i really want that x120e
[17:27] <smoser> :)
[17:28] <brousch> bah. 8GB or go home
[17:29] <smoser> its a netbook!
[17:29] <smoser> :)
[17:30] <brousch> that changes nothing
[17:30] <smoser> the price is what changes things.
[17:34] <jrwren> i don't run VM and i have an SSD. I've found 4G to be plenty and this is AFTER 2.5yrs of using an 8GB notebook with a slow spinning drive.
[17:34] <jrwren> YMMV
[17:34] <rick_h> yea, I spend most of my day inside of 2gb, but do like the 8gb when I need it
[17:34] <rick_h> rare though it is
[17:34] <jrwren> it helps that all browsers have gotten MUCH better at memory usage. No more 1GB+ FF processes
[17:34] <snap-l> Yeah
[17:35] <jrwren> i'm sure they day will come when I say "need more ram" but its not here yet.
[17:35] <rick_h> heh, actually that's the killer for me
[17:35] <snap-l> although I have 4GB on this machine
[17:35] <jrwren> the fast SSD eliminates the bufcache argument IME
[17:35] <rick_h> if I runboth FF and Chrome 80% of my ram usage is those two beasts
[17:35] <jrwren> rick_h: both use MUCH less ram if you disable flash plugin
[17:35] <jrwren> flash is insanely memory hog
[17:35] <snap-l> That's what swap is for: to let you know in a tangible way that you need more memory. :)
[17:35] <brousch> i should try that
[17:36] <snap-l> especially when it starts thrashing
[17:36] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, but I hit flash stuff so no disabling
[17:37] <jrwren> I'd keep multiple versions around if possible.
[17:37] <snap-l> I can't wait for Flash to die a horrible death
[17:37] <jrwren> e.g. chrome beta along side chrome dev
[17:37] <jrwren> one with flash, another without
[17:37] <jrwren> I do that with chrome stable.
[17:37] <jrwren> I only launch it when I need flash
[17:37] <jrwren> and I immediately close the browser
[17:38] <jrwren> and kill process.
[17:38] <jrwren> flash is THAT BAD
[17:38] <jrwren> its a battery killer too
[17:38] <jrwren> and nearly every page on the internet uses it because it gets script injected by those cursed like buttons
[17:39] <rick_h> well I do run flashblock so that it's not auto started
[17:39] <rick_h> but I do tend to hit something with flash I run nearly daily
[17:39] <rick_h> but yea, end of hte day I use more ram but have it to spare
[17:42] <brousch> i don't
[17:42] <brousch> which is why i say, 8GB or go home
[17:46] <greg-g> you ram elitist
[17:47] <brousch> i accept your moniker
[17:49] <smoser> snap-l, i blame you for loss of $335 from my bank account
[17:49] <smoser> (just bought)
[17:51] <greg-g> hah
[17:55] <jrwren> brousch: what is using your ram?
[17:55] <brousch> chrome
[17:55] <jrwren> chrome uses 8G of ram?
[17:56] <brousch> i only have 4
[17:56] <brousch> it has gotten up to 2.5GB
[17:56] <jrwren> wow. wtf are you doing to it?
[17:57] <brousch> i go through my feeds and open pages in tabs, then go back and read the pages
[17:57] <brousch> so sometimes i have 20 tabs open
[17:58] <brousch> i have started bookmarking videos into a to-watch queue. that seems to help
[17:59] <brousch> i always have: gmail, gcal, greader, g+, hootsuite open
[17:59] <brousch> that runs about 1GB
[18:00] <snap-l> smoser: I hope it's everything those $335 would hope it to be.
[18:04] <jrwren> so glad I don't use those ;)
[18:04] <jrwren> i use greader occasionally
[18:04] <jrwren> what is hootsuite ?
[18:05] <snap-l> twitter
[18:06] <jrwren> lol
[18:12] <brousch> multiple twitter accounts
[18:12] <brousch> i command accounts for me, grpug, grwebdev, barcampgr, grmobiledev, congawm
[18:23] <greg-g> this picture is awesome http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/03/denmarks-50-percent-wind-commitment-is-only-the-beginning.ars
[18:23] <rick_h> yea, +1 on that
[18:34] <krondor> anyone have any recommendations for status.net clients for win/linux/mac?
[18:34] <greg-g> krondor: Firefox
[18:34] <krondor> work is suddenly re-interested in our status.net box and it seems like the clients all suck now.
[18:34] <greg-g> Firefox app-tab, to be exact
[18:35] <snap-l> I use Gwibber, but a much older version
[18:35] <krondor> greg-g:  well obviously :)  then I have to convince coworkers they should use firefox
[18:35] <greg-g> ok, Chromium :)
[18:35] <krondor> wait I thought firefox was killing app-tab?  Or am I thinking of sidetabs?
[18:35] <_Marcus> I would of convinced them already into using it
[18:35] <greg-g> no idea what sidebars are
[18:36] <krondor> ah that was chrome killing side tab, not firefox
[18:39] <krondor> snap-l:  thanks yeah I'm using gwibber and I can't add a custom statusnet url in the version I'm using.  I haven't dug too much on it though...
[18:40] <greg-g> krondor: you may have to install gwibber-extension-statusnet or something
[18:40] <greg-g> gwibber-services-statusnet maybe
[18:43] <krondor> aye, gwibber-service-statusnet installing.  For other platforms looks like seesmic, tweetdeck, etc.. removed statusnet support.
[18:43] <krondor> the official client is very bad
[18:44] <snap-l> seesmic didn't remove statusnet
[18:44] <snap-l> at least not on the version I'm using on the nook
[18:44] <snap-l> it's a separate account
[18:44] <krondor> I just installed it on windows and it's not there.  Maybe droid version still has it.
[18:44] <krondor> I was using mustard on droid, but there's something wrong with my server's oauth pieces so some work to do there still...
[18:45] <greg-g> huh, mustard works for identi.ca, but I haven't tried it on our private ccteam.status.net instance yet
[18:46] <_Marcus> .ca domain, and there is a bunch of Arabic written on the front page :/
[18:46] <krondor> yeah I think I have the wrong oauth library (too old or too new), generates the keys but mustard doesn't like them neither does gwibber.
[18:47] <krondor> also the latest 1.0.1 release has a broken User_usernames.php that breaks all auth plugins.
[18:50] <snap-l> _Marcus: Yes, there are international users of identi.ca
[18:50] <snap-l> if it makes you feel any better, you can take those arabic strings and run them through Google Translate.
[18:50] <_Marcus> Nah
[18:50] <greg-g> _Marcus: yes, Identi.ca is used by many is the Middle East
[18:50] <snap-l> And if Google Translate is to be believed, they're pretty benign. :)
[18:51] <greg-g> s/many is/many in/
[18:51] <greg-g> hrm
[18:51] <greg-g> not sure how to take that comment
[18:52] <snap-l> and that's why I don't tell the Pharmacy joke
[18:52] <greg-g> lol
[18:52] <_Marcus> :( I missed why you don't tell it
[18:52]  * _Marcus kicks XChat
[18:53] <snap-l> _Marcus: It's a complete non-sequiter. You didn't miss anything.
[18:53] <_Marcus> Oh
[18:54] <greg-g> grr, my unread-items-I-want-to-read in greader are just growing, not going down :/
[18:54] <snap-l> greg-g: I have a solution for it
[18:54] <greg-g> for which?
[18:54] <snap-l> greader high unread counts
[18:54] <snap-l> it's called "Mark all read"
[18:55] <greg-g> NOOOOOOO
[18:55] <greg-g> they are important blog posts by people I do not know!
[18:55] <snap-l> It enlists the power of Mark to go and read them for you.
[18:55] <brousch> instead of books, read your rss feed to him
[18:55] <brousch> him being your kid
[18:55] <snap-l> brousch: I thought that was in lieu of my book queue
[18:56] <snap-l> which, funny enough my RSS queue is pretty low by comparison.
[18:56] <greg-g> wait, yeah, good point, who is this Mark guy and why is he reading my RSS reader?
[18:57] <snap-l> greg-g: Because Mark is a speed reader
[18:57] <snap-l> Like the guy from the Great Space Coaster
[18:57]  * snap-l just dated himself.
[18:58] <greg-g> yes, yes you did
[18:58] <greg-g> and that was a gross mental image
[18:58] <greg-g> snap-l going on a date with snap-l
[18:58] <snap-l> greg-g: at least I got dinner first.
[18:59] <greg-g> now that crosses the line
[19:20] <snap-l> Just had someone ask me to add their Flight Training course to my web page
[19:20] <snap-l> apparently they can't tell the difference between a Palm Pilot and an actual pilot.
[19:28] <snap-l> OK, this is a holy crap moment
[19:29] <snap-l> just found out that Squeezebox server can listen to xPL, which are TCP/IP X10-like requests
[19:29] <snap-l> so, you could have something where if you turn on the lights, the radio begins playing
[19:30] <snap-l> also, can simulate any button press via the command line
[19:30] <snap-l> 00:04:20:12:04:68 button play <- for instance
[19:30] <greg-g> whoa, integrated fancy house :)
[19:30] <snap-l> and it's all under 'Help'
[19:31] <snap-l> Help / Technical information
[19:31] <snap-l> Yeah, they really baked in a lot of smart-home functionality in here
[19:32] <snap-l> http://xplproject.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Schema_-_AUDIO.BASIC
[19:32] <greg-g> nice
[19:33] <snap-l> http://xplproject.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Schema_-_AUDIO.SLIMSERV
[19:33] <snap-l> I never thought I'd say this in 2012, but I think some expect scripts might be in order. ;)
[22:24] <greg-g> every now and then my .muttrc gets in a condition where I have no idea why something isn't working anymore and going through commit log doesn't help :/
[22:30] <rick_h> heh, you change it that much?
[22:31] <greg-g>  no, which is the weird part :)
[23:50] <greg-g> rick_h: mostly, the confusing part is how my setup on my x220 acts different on my x200s (one is Ubuntu one is Debian, but, wha?)
[23:51]  * greg-g needs to do some in-depth debugging sometime, too bad he left his x220 at work for the weekend