[06:16] morning all [06:32] hello magespawn_window [06:33] hey Squim [06:33] Squirm even [06:35] ^^ [06:35] * Squirm yawns [06:35] Friday [06:35] she is going too slowly [06:45] it's not even 9am, and Friday is moving slowly already? === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] [08:36] morning superfly and others [08:37] o/ [09:17] bbl, be good [09:43] hiya ki [10:42] superfly you got a moment? [11:08] magespawn_window: what's up? [11:08] got a slight vpn problem with sending email [11:09] magespawn_window: uh, OK, can you describe the problem for me, being as detailed as possible? [11:09] cannot send mail through a the smtp sever when connected to the vpn but can recieve [11:10] sending != receiving [11:10] the error message is the smtp server cannot be contacted when on the vpn [11:10] what does your routing table look like? [11:11] good question i do not know, i am on the hluhluwe end of the vpn [11:11] magespawn_window: route -n [11:11] too little info probable [11:11] or route print on windows [11:12] not on site at the moment, this is a little out of my league [11:16] feel like i am fishing in the dark here === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero [11:19] magespawn_window: unless you're on-site, you pretty much are fishing in the dark [11:21] figured was kind of wishing for a simple answer like you have the wrong DNS server or something, never worked on or with a vpn before [11:22] I wan to know everything it irrtates me immensly when i do not have an answer or at least a starting point [11:22] magespawn_window: it could be a wrong DNS server, presuming that the SMTP address is not the same as the POP3 address, but you actually haven't given me any real information [11:23] not even sure what yo would need. pop3 is a specified ip address and the smtp is smtp.mweb.co.za [11:24] what did you do to learn what you know? [11:25] well, there we go [11:26] okay? [11:26] that's some information that I didn't have before. however, knowing the routing table would be quite helpful [11:26] if i go back i will have a look and see [11:27] would the vpn show up as a static route? [11:27] magespawn_window: if the dns server the PC is connecting to is on the internet, but the ip address is routed through the VPN, but the VPN doesn't have access to that ip address, you could get something like that [11:31] magespawn_window: try setting the smtp server to be an IP address [11:32] the same as the pop3 or the ip of the mweb.co.za? [11:33] no, the ip address of smtp.mweb.co.za [11:33] is there an smtp server running on the same machine as the pop3 server? [11:37] again no info about that [11:38] * superfly reboots in the hopes that he has successfully upgraded to precise beta 2 === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] [11:43] seems to have been successful [11:45] superfly i would presume that there is i "think" they are running on microsoft exchange, but again do not have too much information. I feel more like a mushroom and less like Luke today. [11:46] magespawn_window: in general, the server you get your mail from is the place you should send your mail to [11:47] that is the way I understood it [11:54] but thanks for the time you have given me a bit more to wrok with [11:54] work even [11:55] when it comes to VPNs, routing is generally the issue === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero [12:29] superfly does it make a differance what version of python you use? [12:29] wow tumbleweed, I didn't know you packaged PyPy for Ubuntu [12:30] magespawn_window: it totally depends on what version of Python you are learning [12:30] is there a big change from one to the other? [12:31] magespawn_window: it depends on which versions you are talking about [12:31] well the one that came with the book is 2.3 and i see on python.org that the latest stable is 2.7 [12:32] sorry 3.2 [12:32] Uh, no, they are very different [12:32] but you want to actually use 2.7 [12:33] if i learn the one will be able to use the next is my main concern? or will they be too different? [12:33] why 2.7 not 3.2? [12:34] you will be able to use the other [12:34] because 3.2 is still a dream and no one actually uses it for any real software [12:34] i assume the ide of choice would also need to be updated then? [12:40] superfly: :P [12:40] I haven't touched it in weeks... [13:22] superfly fyi this seems to be the same as what i was talking about earlier http://quomon.com/question-Need-to-access-Exchange-server-over-VPN-connection-4516.aspx [13:35] superfly: ping [13:35] superfly: Please make me an admin of Ubuntu za group on fb. [13:35] nvm [13:41] thats news to me [13:47] magespawn_window: what's with the long nickname? [13:47] i am on my windows machine [13:47] magespawn_window: we don't do that here [13:48] yup i know but the linux is at home and the droid does not work so well posting links and things [13:49] so why should I care what platform you're on? [13:51] its something Kilos started, i was also logging in at the same time [13:51] on both [13:57] i take it off if you want [13:58] lol magespawn_window [13:58] hi kbmonkey [13:58] usually you just append '_' to your nick if you login twice [13:59] I couldn't get that Ibid functionality to work yesterday :/ [14:00] do you know why? [14:01] not too sure, tumble told me my code should workk [14:02] May I have a look? [14:03] sure, :) http://pastebin.com/aiRHNtMn [14:03] you need Ibid installed to have the libraries import though [14:04] simply put: my defaultHandler does not run when somebody joins the channel. that's all I need to happen. [14:05] Is that all the code? [14:05] yes [14:06] Wow, really short. [14:06] working thru Ibid Im doing unit tests [14:06] that is the one test I cant seem to pass [14:06] Must be a reason somewhere. [14:06] Now just to find it. [14:06] magespawn, have you ever 'import this' in the interactive python shell? [14:07] No [14:07] it's an egg [14:08] well I think the reason is the Ibid core processes events, and sends it through to the bot if the bot is mentioned by name [14:09] but if the bot is not mentioned, it does not get these events. that is what I like to happen [14:10] Right you need it to happen whenever somebody joins etc regardless of saying the bots name. [14:10] This is my first program http://pastebin.com/QN2ir3vY [14:10] Let you know where I am at. [14:11] yes you understand :) [14:11] cool magespawn :D [14:13] Could not tell the bot to check the channel logs every x seconds and it it finds something new ie a new nick then issue the greeting [14:15] Lots of traffic [14:26] I dont think Ibid supports that functionality yet [14:31] Oh. [14:58] I am out of here se you all later. [15:55] drubin: need any help? [16:10] superfly: I don't know how to invite every one from ubuntu-za and my personal friends to the event i created. [16:10] superfly: fb permisions seem broken [16:11] on my end facebook said you made it private, public and back to private again [16:12] isn't it maybe a slow update of permissions? [16:25] drubin: not at my PC right now, but I'll check when I get there. [16:26] last time I made an event it was weird for me too [16:27] Kerbero: i didn't make the event private I made the group private [16:27] uhm [16:27] ok [16:27] i was/am tired [17:00] Evening all. [17:02] Hi magespawn [17:03] Did you see earlier what kbmonkey was saying about the greeter idea? [17:05] maybe... When i'm back at my pc i'll have a look [17:06] I do not understand enough yet to be able to help. [17:13] hi hi [17:14] Hi kbmonkey speak of the devil [17:15] now that I'm at my keyboard again... [17:15] ah lo superfly [17:16] We was just talking about you and the greeter problem [17:16] yes, my unit test to monitor channel activity in Ibid [17:17] I asked tumble about it, said my code should work. [17:18] kbmonkey: you can put both imports on the same line... [17:19] from ibid.plugins import Processor, handler [17:19] I know, just following the PEP guide [17:19] kbmonkey: PEP8 says you can do that too [17:19] kbmonkey: PEP8 says you can't do "import os, sys" [17:20] superfly, where does logging.debug() print out to? [17:20] kbmonkey: the log file [17:21] drubin: event seems fine now? [17:22] drubin: or do you specifically want to invite people? [17:23] kbmonkey when you get it to work can you post the code? [17:25] superfly, I updated the code to only print out logging.debug('state checking...') in my handler [17:26] it does not appear in the logs/ibid.log [17:26] the logging.ini seems ok [17:27] that code runs fine *if* the bot is called by name (or in a pvt channel) [17:27] but it does not run by itself when somebody joins the chan. and that is what I'm looking for [17:45] kbmonkey: as far as I can make out, a Processor only ever responds to direct addressing [17:50] hiya superfly and others [17:50] yo magespawn kbmonkey [17:50] Hi Kilos [17:53] hi psydroid [17:54] kbmonkey: join ##kilos [17:54] hi Kilos [17:54] hi magespawn [17:54] hi superfly [17:54] hi psydroid [17:55] hi kbmonkey [17:55] Hi psydroid [17:55] hey superfly who is the itwinkle there [17:57] Channel Kilos? [17:57] ##kilos [17:57] Okay, did you make it Kilos? [17:58] ya about a year ago magespawn [17:58] Okay mind if I ask why? [17:59] um... whew cant remember why anymore [17:59] oh when msn wasnt working in aus [18:00] Oh to talk to family? [18:00] yip used to. but msn is working again [18:00] kbmonkey: join again? [18:01] if i member right was a big job for me to get chanserv there as well [18:01] ok [18:01] Superfly you guys testing the bot there? [18:02] mage cant you join? [18:02] yebo [18:02] go see [18:02] Yes I can, but wanted to be sure I was welcome and would not get in the way. [18:03] lol magespawn. we just join and leave the channel to see if the bot detects us [18:03] you are welcome magespawn [18:03] Ty [18:03] yes come help us :) [18:09] Im fresh out of idea of what to try [18:09] no google info kbmonkey ? [18:11] I am busy searching, sure somebody has done this before. [18:11] I did try a search, couldnt find more than I did [18:12] kbmonkey, its an ibid you wanna teach to greet hey? [18:12] yes. [18:13] I don't think the functionality is built into Ibid yet [18:14] see if any of the designers are on irc somewhere [18:14] whoever did the docs you been reading [18:15] http://m.wikihow.com/Develop-an-IRC-Bot how's this? [18:16] Does it have to be ibid? [18:17] thats the one he is setting up [18:17] cocooncrash, have you any idea how to setup an ibid as a greeter bot [18:17] ? [18:17] well magespawn I wanted to make maaz greet people [18:17] or a link to show how [18:17] specifically, so that's why it's Ibid [18:17] I've done this fine with other bot frameworks [18:18] Ahh right. I see. [18:18] sure enough we can do it in another framework, but then to have a seperate bot for something so simple, is unneccesary [18:19] plus it could familiarize people easier with who Maaz is [18:19] lol its quite funny when peeps try chat maaz up [18:20] i thought he was an arrogant peep when i first came here [18:20] Indeed. I would also be interested in doing it for gc. [18:20] he is! ibid keeps telling me he's not my bitch :p [18:21] theres i nice challenge kbmonkey [18:21] Did not find anythin useful for that but did find this http://code.he.net/?gclid=CLbou4uej68CFYdKpgodBXtXzQ [18:21] be the first [18:23] thanks for the encouragement Kilos [18:25] its a python bot so tween the fly and cocoon and you something gotta work [18:28] Maybe somebody in the python channel will know? [18:33] my plan is to get the Ibid source and look at its structure [18:47] Maaz: coffee on [18:47] * Maaz puts the kettle on [18:47] Maaz: with condensed milk please [18:47] inetpro: Go get it yourself! [18:48] hmm... [18:48] good evening everyone, and kilos [18:50] evening inetpro [18:50] 2 days no coffee [18:50] my coffee use gets monitored here [18:51] ohi Owkkuri [18:51] Kilos: who cares [18:51] lol [18:51] Coffee's ready for inetpro! [18:51] Maaz: dankie [18:51] Groot plesier inetpro my vriend [18:51] i sneek cups in pm [18:51] sneak [19:05] oh hai Kilos :P [19:06] heh [19:06] sup [19:06] * Symmetria is watching with baited breath to see what happens tomorrow [19:06] wai? [19:06] prepared to bet that almost nothing will happen [19:06] http://pastebin.com/NKbnh8q8 [19:06] ? [19:06] read that [19:06] I dont think they will succeed [19:06] but it could get pretty nasty if they have enough distribution for those hosting the root servers [19:07] the caching resolvers will more than likely hold out though [19:07] * Banlam hopes not [19:07] * Banlam takes note of the IPs of a bunch of his favourite sites [19:07] banlam where are you situated btw? [19:07] PE [19:07] and which ISP you on? [19:08] do me a favour, traceroute the IP of that L server listed int hat pastebin [19:08] and tell me where you end up [19:08] 8ta - telkom soo [19:08] kk] [19:08] chances are if you on 8ta you gonna go international though [19:08] Owkkuri what about you, which ISP you using? [19:08] wa [19:09] do me a favour and traceroute 199.7.83.42 [19:09] this is taking longer than it should... [19:09] banlam where is it going? [19:10] hops from wa to tenet via cinx [19:10] frankfurt [19:10] prague [19:10] Owkkuri ok, so you're landing at the tenet ones [19:10] heh, telkom doesnt peer with anyone in .za so they are getting the international ones [19:10] chances are if the attacks do go ahead tomorrow, the rest of .za is gonna be in a much better position than telkom is [19:10] * Banlam sighs [19:11] I'll login ot the varsity VPN then :) [19:11] because Im pretty confident on how those tenet l-root servers are configured, because I did that config before I left tenet [19:11] and I dont think this attack is going to hurt them [19:12] we'll see then [19:12] :P [19:12] Symmetria thought you were still there. What you doing kow? [19:12] i have my gf to keep me busy if it does go down ;) [19:12] Lol [19:12] laters [19:13] what time is this internet down time expected? [19:13] is it to tie in with Earth Hour :P [19:16] And tomorrow in what time zone? [19:35] heh [19:35] magespawn I left tenet end of october already [19:35] Im in private contracting :) [19:35] the money is simply 2 good to do anything else [19:35] Nice better pay? Better Hours? [19:35] work my own hours, from where I want, when I want, taking the contracts that I choose if I feel like it, and make more money than I can spend [19:36] Nice [19:36] magespawn lol, my hourly rate is $250 an hour, most days I put in 4 hours work [19:36] Dollars? [19:36] :p unless Im not in the mood and take the day off [19:36] yeah, I only bill in dollars [19:37] clients are mostly internationals and its easier to work in a single currency that everyone understands [19:37] Lots of work here in SA? [19:37] magespawn *shrug* clients are spread all over the place, but the type of work I do can be done from anywhere [19:37] $250/hour [19:37] * Banlam could live with that [19:37] there are days when I sit in a deckchair by the pool with a cold beer and my notebook and work like that :p [19:38] Yes but where the majority of customers are usually affects billing currency. [19:38] magespawn heh, most of mine are spread around africa [19:38] africa is a very very very lucrative market at the moment [19:38] and the type of work I do, there are very few people who do what I do which makes it even more lucrative [19:38] Sweet. I think if you went to parent/kid day most of the parents and all of the kids would want that job. [19:39] Could you gives me a job title/discription? [19:39] heh magespawn the problem is that the type of work Im doing at the moment cant be taught, its learnt through experience [19:39] mmm I would call myself a technical business analyst I guess [19:40] basically I look at the networks and technologies deployed by companies and see if a.) does it meet the business requirements b.) is technical overspending to meet the business requirements c.) is business providing ENOUGH money to technical to meet their requirements [19:40] Then someone like writes a book and then all of a sudden they are teaching it, like when you are 100 [19:40] d.) are the policies and procedures in place to make sure that there is a meeting of the minds between business and technical [19:41] basically, Im acting as the bridge between the techies and the business people [19:41] Ohh is that "all". [19:41] Must fell like the middle east at times. [19:41] Feel [19:42] heh magespawn nah, see, if you understand what each side wants, its not that hard to fit them together, the thing is, neither side understands the other so they need that bridge [19:42] Symmetria, what are you driving these days? [19:42] banlam my 335i, till next year, Im putting money away for the replacement car, but wanna buy it cash and not quite there yet :) [19:43] cool, what's the replacement going to be? [19:43] probably a corvette ZR1 [19:43] interesting [19:43] 0-100 in 3.0! [19:43] 6 litre dual supercharged! [19:43] you're gonna have fun on those amazing EL roads [19:43] although I guess you can always just drive down to the track [19:43] Now cars I know a thing it two about. 911 gt3 [19:44] * Banlam is not a porche fan [19:44] not saying they're bad cars [19:44] just don't like the look [19:44] magespawn I never liked the porches either [19:44] heh, I drove an aston vantage last week [19:44] not a big corvette fan either if I'm honest :P [19:44] nice [19:44] Oh you mean the one that has not changed for ever [19:44] guy was selling it and I was tempted :p [19:44] can imagine [19:45] heh banlam I was never a corvette fan till the ZR1 :p [19:45] yeah [19:45] i know it's got some great reviews and thigns [19:45] but... [19:45] it's a corvette [19:45] I would rather get something like a scooby [19:45] ZR1 is a rather dramatic deviation from the old vette's (for one thing, it can actually go around a corner) [19:45] scooby? [19:45] heh [19:45] subaru? [19:46] hate the subaru's [19:46] hate hate hate [19:46] Subaru impreza wrx sti [19:46] the new hatchbacky one? [19:46] heh, for me, my options at the moment for next car are the ZR1, an aston or the new M5 [19:46] or the older sedan one? [19:47] cant really think of anything else I'd want [19:47] M5 is pretty nice [19:47] I'd take the M5, don't see myself ever going the aston route [19:47] i'd prefer osmething a little bit more low key [19:47] and practical? [19:48] Would you doing anything else to it or leave it stock? [19:48] LOL practical was never something Icared about :) [19:48] other than adding the factory options wouldnt do anything to it [19:48] though BMW has some nifty options available :p [19:48] like the racing chip I had them stick in my 335i lol [19:49] I've crossed the 300kph mark in my 335 after they put that chip in it [19:49] where? N2? [19:50] heh nope, on the road to windhoek in namibia [19:50] ah :) [19:50] that makes more sense [19:50] less to crash into [19:50] There some nice non standerd things you can do to an m5 [19:50] dead straight, wide, no traffic, flat, can see for miles :p [19:51] They do the super car testing up that way [19:51] in the northern cape [19:52] but i think symmetria was in Namibia itself [19:52] yeah I was [19:52] no cops out there :P just the occasional lion that woulda eaten the cop [19:52] lol [19:52] I could not leave a car like that alone, would be voiding warrenties and all sorts [19:53] heh [19:53] wanna see something truely sick? [19:53] http://iris.tenet.ac.za/routers/graphs24.php <=== go there, select LINX-BROCADE, then select 195.66.224.125 (AS 15169) [19:53] and look at that graph :P [19:53] might take a while to draw it, one hel of a lot of data behind those graphs [19:54] (really really need to write an aggregation script for that crap) [19:55] Symmetria: I thought you moved on from TENET? [19:56] superfly heh I did, I do a LOT of contracting for their upstream though [19:56] and some for them directly [19:56] Ah, OK. [19:56] that graphs script is being drawn from the upstream though [19:57] * superfly is on his phone currently [19:57] what connection is that? [19:57] heh banlam thats the peering with google in london :p [19:57] ic [19:59] magespawn, wb [19:59] night all. sleep tight [19:59] Night Kilos [19:59] Night kilos [20:01] * Symmetria cleans out that database that draws those graphs a bit [20:02] heh 15 million records is a bit to much to process [20:03] shucks [20:03] nice resolution though [20:03] heh Im just deleteing data older than a month [20:03] actually deleting everything pre 1 feb [20:03] make that pre 1 march :p [20:03] just delete every 4/5 entries :) [20:04] or do you need that resolution for something? [20:04] mysql> delete from MacData where MONTH(timestamp) < 03 and YEAR(timestamp)= 2012; [20:04] heh I need to run an aggregation to keep the older data for stuff older than 24 hours at a lower res [20:04] yeah [20:04] what is the time difference between each recording? [20:04] right now its keeping 5 minute samples per peer going back 3 months normally [20:05] so that's 30 000 a day [20:05] erm [20:05] no [20:05] 480 a day [20:05]