[00:29] <ochosi> astraljava: i hear you're a brilliant coder..?
[00:29] <astraljava> ochosi: Either check your ears, or never trust that little bird again, ever.
[00:29] <ochosi> lol
[00:30] <astraljava> But, since you brought it up, shoot.
[00:30] <knome> astraljava, AGAIN, are you insulting me to be LITTLE?
[00:30] <ochosi> there is this really old idea in my head, it's nothing really new or stunning, but it's something that is lacking in the xfce-panel: a simple plugin that combines launchers and open-windows (some dub it a dock)
[00:31] <ochosi> no fancy animation shit, just the functionality
[00:31] <knome> !language | ochosi 
[00:31] <knome> ;)
[00:31] <knome> i mean, that was such UNPROFESSIONAL talk...
[00:31] <ochosi> knome: so you don't like the word "animation"?
[00:31] <ochosi> (or "fancy"?)
[00:32] <knome> oh wait, i misread. the word "astraljava" was in MY comments
[00:32] <knome> sorry.
[00:32] <ochosi> apology accepted
[00:32] <astraljava> knome: Well I dunno. Do you wanna be a gazelle or a bird?
[00:33] <knome> what if i was a trout?
[00:33] <astraljava> ochosi: Sure, we can talk. I'm interested.
[00:34] <ochosi> astraljava: i guess this should also be coordinated with upstream, but i think nick is open for something like that
[00:34] <ochosi> at least when i talked with him about it @fosdem he said that this should go into a separate plugin
[00:34] <ochosi> thing is that i dunno how difficult it is
[00:35] <Unit193> ochosi: Like Win7 has?
[00:35] <astraljava> ochosi: I wouldn't mind, I'm a very upstream-friendly contributor. :D
[00:35] <ochosi> i mean you have to keep a list of the launchers in the dock or something and other than that it's like the window-list
[00:35] <ochosi> Unit193: never used that for real, but yeah, i guess. like win7 and osx and unity...
[00:36] <astraljava> ochosi: Thing is, I'm really busy for a while now, but during the Q cycle, I would be up for it.
[00:36] <ochosi> astraljava: i mean i would guess that you wouldn't need a lot of mockups for that, maybe apart from finding a way to distinguish the launchers, the open/focussed windows and the not-running or not-focussed apps
[00:37] <ochosi> yeah, it should be for Q
[00:37]  * knome would kick all the three legs of ochosi if he proposed that for precise
[00:37] <ochosi> so the time-horizon is a bit more open
[00:37] <knome> mind you, ochosi is a handicapped, old gazelle with one lost leg
[00:37] <ochosi> and also it'd be good to base it on the 4.10 panel
[00:37] <astraljava> ochosi: Sounds good, then.
[00:37] <ochosi> !language | knome
[00:38] <knome> ochosi, you thought 'ochosi' was unprofessional? :(
[00:38] <ochosi> astraljava: yeah, the 4.10 panel will be in Q for sure, so i think that's good timing
[00:38] <ochosi> knome: no, not unprofessional, just not very family-friendly
[00:38] <knome> ahh damn, you might need to change your nick than too
[00:38] <knome> *then
[00:39] <ochosi> no, just never ping me again, problem solved
[00:39] <astraljava> Yea. In fact, never talk to me, again. Done!
[00:39] <knome> hahah... :)
[00:39] <ochosi> :)
[00:39] <knome> great!
[00:39] <knome> looks like the problems in the community are solved now
[00:39] <ochosi> finally i can stop reading chan-logs
[00:39] <ochosi> what problems in the community?
[00:39] <astraljava> Yep. Abandon ship! ABANDON SHIP!
[00:39] <knome> huh, i'm so relieved
[00:40] <knome> ochosi, are you still talking to me?
[00:40] <Unit193> knome: Only ones are you and your use of language. :P
[00:40] <ochosi> :)
[00:40] <ochosi> Unit193: +1
[00:40] <astraljava> Is that Unit194, then?
[00:40] <ochosi> lol
[00:40] <ochosi> nice one
[00:40] <knome> hahah
[00:41] <knome> Unit193, i command you to change your nick *immediately* to Unit194
[00:41] <Unit193> Nope, that's locked out.
[00:41] <knome> you can appeal for the IRC council later, now change the nick
[00:42] <knome> ;)
[00:42] <knome> what's the history behind the nick btw?
[00:42] <knome> you live in a unit number 193?
[00:42] <knome> and you refer to your irc nick when you are going home drunk?
[00:42] <Unit194> Nope, it's never been said on IRC.
[00:43] <knome> now that you have the new nick, you can reveal the secret to the old one
[00:44] <ochosi> hihi
[00:44] <Unit194> Howdy, ochosi 
[00:44] <knome> Unit194, hmm, you new here? haven't seen your nick before
[00:44] <ochosi> :)
[00:45] <Unit194> Woah, chanact color changed. >_>
[00:45] <knome> MAGIC TECHNOLOGY
[00:45] <ochosi> knome: what do you think of including a web-irc-client on our website? is that even feasible? and if yes, is it a good idea?
[00:45] <knome> ochosi, hmm. what about a link like in the slideshow?
[00:46] <knome> ochosi, that would use freenode's own services
[00:46] <ochosi> knome: i've never clicked that link...
[00:46] <knome> ochosi, hah
[00:46] <knome> wait
[00:46] <ochosi> yeah, something like that, but a xubuntu-header would be nice
[00:46] <ochosi> (to the worst an iframe)
[00:46] <knome> hmm, right...
[00:46] <ochosi> as in: keeping people on our site
[00:47] <knome> iframe could work...
[00:47] <astraljava> knome: I know the story behind it. How much will you pay for the information?
[00:47] <ochosi> like in this quick mockup by someone else (which actually gave me the idea): http://imagebin.org/205898
[00:47] <knome> astraljava, one serving of rum?
[00:47] <knome> :P
[00:47] <astraljava> meh
[00:47] <knome> hehe
[00:47] <knome> ochosi, hmmph..
[00:47] <knome> well
[00:48] <knome> i'm not willing to host a webirc
[00:48] <knome> i mean, maintain one
[00:48] <ochosi> what does the freenode-thing look like
[00:48] <knome> and i don't think IS rejoices...
[00:48] <ochosi> no, sure, that'd be overkill
[00:48] <ochosi> :)
[00:48] <knome> http://webchat.freenode.net/
[00:48] <ochosi> ok
[00:48] <ochosi> let's use that then
[00:48] <ochosi> adding a link like in the slide-show could be the first step
[00:49] <ochosi> i still think integration would be nice
[00:49] <ochosi> even if only via iframe
[00:49] <knome> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=xubuntu&nick=xubuntu...&prompt=1
[00:49] <knome> that's the link in the slideshow
[00:49] <knome> note the default filled options
[00:50] <knome> Unit193, long time no see, eh?
[00:50] <knome> :P
[00:50] <ochosi> knome: yeah, that looks good to me
[00:50] <ochosi> knome: provide a way back to our website (apart from the back-button) and we're good
[00:50] <Unit193> knome: You get to explain to the freakies.
[00:51]  * xubuntu671 wonders how well the iframe would work with only 600px width
[00:51] <xubuntu671> ochosi: i thought just iframing it inside the content area ;)
[00:52] <xubuntu671> ochosi: or, we could have a special "irc"-template that would allow to use the xubuntu "frame", but dismiss the sidebar stuff and use that too
[00:52] <ochosi> mhm, maybe an irc template, 600px is not very much
[00:52] <ochosi> even just 200px more would probably make it a lot more readable/convenient
[00:53] <knome> ochosi, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_improvements/?page_id=34
[00:54] <ochosi> not bad
[00:54] <xubuntu929> not bad
[00:54] <ochosi> the odd color of the freenode-client kinda conflicts with ours
[00:54] <xubuntu929> the font could be smaller
[00:54] <xubuntu929> i wonder if that's controllable...
[00:54] <ochosi> hmyeah, not sure..
[00:54] <xubuntu929> (not the bg... ;))
[00:54] <ochosi> ah :)
[00:56] <xubuntu854> tbh i think the font-size is ok
[00:56] <Unit193> Clones are attacking...
[00:56] <xubuntu854> also: people can change that with their browser
[00:56] <xubuntu929> imo it's too large for the iframe width
[00:56] <xubuntu854> depends on your browser/dpi settings
[00:56] <xubuntu854> this is what it looks like here: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03302012-025622am.php
[00:57] <knome> thttp://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_shots/irc-chat.png
[00:57] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_shots/irc-chat.png
[00:57] <xubuntu854> i think making it 800px is better than making the font smaller
[00:57] <xubuntu854> (or at least: much smaller)
[00:58] <knome> heh
[00:58] <knome> see the menu in top left
[00:58] <knome> you can recolor the interface
[00:58] <ochosi> yu
[00:59] <ochosi> just found it myself
[00:59] <ochosi> and wanted to tell you
[00:59] <ochosi> but i'm wondering whether we can pass that as an option in the link
[00:59] <knome> afaik we can
[00:59] <ochosi> cool
[01:00] <ochosi> then i don't see any reason why we shouldn't use this
[01:00] <knome> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=xubuntu&uio=MTE9MTMz98
[01:00] <knome> for example...
[01:01] <ochosi> mm
[01:02] <knome> ochosi, we could access the iframe css with javascript and change the bgcolor to what works for us anyway
[01:02] <knome> hmm, that would mean cross-domain stuff though
[01:02] <knome> ;)
[01:02] <knome> i think we could just add an extra div
[01:02] <knome> with the same bgcolor than the freenode webchat
[01:02] <ochosi> mmh
[01:03] <knome> with some padding
[01:03] <knome> and rounded corners
[01:03] <ochosi> yeah, sounds nice-looking
[01:03]  * knome tries that
[01:04] <ochosi> ok, just finished the new video-mime icon testing
[01:05] <ochosi> time to push that
[01:05] <knome> heh
[01:11] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_improvements/?page_id=34
[01:13] <ochosi> nice
[01:13] <ochosi> if only we could change the title "connect to freenode irc"
[01:14] <knome> i don't think that's possible
[01:14] <ochosi> but i guess adding some more text what this is about i think is sufficient
[01:14] <knome> it would need changing the page name in the wp-admin!!
[01:14] <knome> well yeah
[01:14] <knome> notice that this is my test-host
[01:14] <ochosi> mhm
[01:14] <ochosi> sure, but yeah, i like the whole page as is
[01:14] <knome> it's easy enough to copy that to prodcution too
[01:15] <ochosi> i'm all for it :)
[01:15] <GridCube> i always use webchat from work :P
[01:17] <knome> ochosi, if you want to play with the freenode bar to get the perfect hue... feel free to.
[01:17] <ochosi> i'm on my laptop now (which has terrible colors)...
[01:17] <ochosi> can look at it again when i'm back @eizo tomorrow
[01:17] <knome> ochosi, it's not something you need to do *now*
[01:17] <knome> sure
[01:18] <knome> just paste me the uio-argument you get when completing the "add to your site" -wizard
[01:18] <knome> (if you want to change other things too in the UI options page, feel free to, just notify me of changes)
[01:18] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/irc should work for those who are logged in
[01:19] <knome> bleh, i got hungry :<
[01:29] <ochosi> k, i'm going to sleep
[01:29] <ochosi> see ya
[01:30] <knome> yeah, i got to go too...
[01:30] <knome> nighty all, see you later
[01:30] <Unit193> Adios.
[03:19] <GridCube> knome, :( theres no more boat on the wallpaper
[09:59] <timmillwood> just installed the 12.04 updates, but too busy to reboot.
[10:51] <knome> timmillwood, well, thanks for letting us know...
[11:03] <timmillwood> knome, sorry
[11:39] <ochosi> hmm, i'm wondering whether anyone else can confirm a missing icon of xfce4-clipman in precise
[11:39] <ochosi> because i can't, but i got a report about that
[11:40] <ochosi> (i mean yeah, the icon isn't pretty maybe, but it's there)
[12:24]  * jarnos played youtube in 12.04 and had pavucontrol's output devices tab open on a 500MHz P3. Then pulseaudio takes 50% CPU, pavucontrol 20% CPU and most of the rest power is left for the web browser.
[13:06] <jarnos> Against which package you should file a bug report, when no mobile broadband connections are shown in networks panel applet after an usb mobile connection device is attached?
[13:58] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: i can't confirm the bug with the missing icon for clipman
[13:58] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: it's not a pretty icon, but it's not missing
[16:09] <pleia2> knome: xubuntu.org/contribute/ looks great, and fixed up a couple spelling errors/typos on /contribute/marketing/
[16:09] <pleia2> I'll need more time to finish review of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/XubuntuOld - it's a lot and I need to do a refresher of all the wiki pages
[16:32] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: http://img171.imageshack.us/i/auswahl008.jpg/
[16:43] <mr_pouit> ochosi: it's xfce4-clipman-plugin (for the panel), xfce4-clipman (for the systray) is fine
[16:56] <knome> pleia2, thanks! :)
[18:13] <knome> mr_pouit, okay to upload changes mentioned in bug 969252
[19:10] <xubuntu496> i am running xubuntu 12.04 for a while and now beta2 is available. If all updates are installed, does that mean i also have beta2, or do i have to download beta2?
[19:18] <pleia2> xubuntu496: it means you also have beta2
[19:20] <xubuntu496> Thanks pleia2
[19:20] <astraljava> xubuntu496: Beta-2 only means the revision of the installable images on the cdimage.u.c server. The packages are what counts, and if you're up-to-date with them, you're on the same level with the images.
[19:21] <Unit193> But things break differently with different CDs.
[19:21] <astraljava> Unit193: That's a matter of the assembly of those cds.
[19:24] <Unit193> Generally, yep.
[19:45] <astraljava> goddamn T-bird....
[19:47] <astraljava> So, it just sat there for hours on end, without doing anything. Suddenly, told me about two new emails, and when I wanted to look what they said, it just froze. I was able to close it, but UNABLE to restart it.
[19:47]  * astraljava sometimes wishes he lived in the Dark Ages.
[19:50] <astraljava> Now it just spews out an "input/output error".
[19:50] <astraljava> Sweet.
[19:55] <Pandarific> That definitely sucks. So far I haven't had an issue with T-bird. Everything is working relatively okay. Getting ready to install a bunch of stuff though so we'll see if i break it
[19:55] <Unit193> I use alpine...
[19:57] <micahg> astraljava: you wouldn't have bindwood installed, would you?
[20:02] <Pandarific> can someone verify something for me in 12.04 real quick?
[20:15] <astraljava> $ apt-cache policy bindwood
[20:15] <astraljava> bindwood:
[20:15] <astraljava>   Installed: (none)
[20:16] <astraljava> Incredibly unbelievable. Now there are some *-1 directories in my various gmail accounts.