[00:29] astraljava: i hear you're a brilliant coder..? [00:29] ochosi: Either check your ears, or never trust that little bird again, ever. [00:29] lol [00:30] But, since you brought it up, shoot. [00:30] astraljava, AGAIN, are you insulting me to be LITTLE? [00:30] there is this really old idea in my head, it's nothing really new or stunning, but it's something that is lacking in the xfce-panel: a simple plugin that combines launchers and open-windows (some dub it a dock) [00:31] no fancy animation shit, just the functionality [00:31] !language | ochosi [00:31] ochosi: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [00:31] ;) [00:31] i mean, that was such UNPROFESSIONAL talk... [00:31] knome: so you don't like the word "animation"? [00:31] (or "fancy"?) [00:32] oh wait, i misread. the word "astraljava" was in MY comments [00:32] sorry. [00:32] apology accepted [00:32] knome: Well I dunno. Do you wanna be a gazelle or a bird? [00:33] what if i was a trout? [00:33] ochosi: Sure, we can talk. I'm interested. [00:34] astraljava: i guess this should also be coordinated with upstream, but i think nick is open for something like that [00:34] at least when i talked with him about it @fosdem he said that this should go into a separate plugin [00:34] thing is that i dunno how difficult it is [00:35] ochosi: Like Win7 has? [00:35] ochosi: I wouldn't mind, I'm a very upstream-friendly contributor. :D [00:35] i mean you have to keep a list of the launchers in the dock or something and other than that it's like the window-list [00:35] Unit193: never used that for real, but yeah, i guess. like win7 and osx and unity... [00:36] ochosi: Thing is, I'm really busy for a while now, but during the Q cycle, I would be up for it. [00:36] astraljava: i mean i would guess that you wouldn't need a lot of mockups for that, maybe apart from finding a way to distinguish the launchers, the open/focussed windows and the not-running or not-focussed apps [00:37] yeah, it should be for Q [00:37] * knome would kick all the three legs of ochosi if he proposed that for precise [00:37] so the time-horizon is a bit more open [00:37] mind you, ochosi is a handicapped, old gazelle with one lost leg [00:37] and also it'd be good to base it on the 4.10 panel [00:37] ochosi: Sounds good, then. [00:37] !language | knome [00:37] knome: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [00:38] ochosi, you thought 'ochosi' was unprofessional? :( [00:38] astraljava: yeah, the 4.10 panel will be in Q for sure, so i think that's good timing [00:38] knome: no, not unprofessional, just not very family-friendly [00:38] ahh damn, you might need to change your nick than too [00:38] *then [00:39] no, just never ping me again, problem solved [00:39] Yea. In fact, never talk to me, again. Done! [00:39] hahah... :) [00:39] :) [00:39] great! [00:39] looks like the problems in the community are solved now [00:39] finally i can stop reading chan-logs [00:39] what problems in the community? [00:39] Yep. Abandon ship! ABANDON SHIP! [00:39] huh, i'm so relieved [00:40] ochosi, are you still talking to me? [00:40] knome: Only ones are you and your use of language. :P [00:40] :) [00:40] Unit193: +1 [00:40] Is that Unit194, then? [00:40] lol [00:40] nice one [00:40] hahah [00:41] Unit193, i command you to change your nick *immediately* to Unit194 [00:41] Nope, that's locked out. [00:41] you can appeal for the IRC council later, now change the nick === Unit193 is now known as Unit194 [00:42] ;) [00:42] what's the history behind the nick btw? [00:42] you live in a unit number 193? [00:42] and you refer to your irc nick when you are going home drunk? [00:42] Nope, it's never been said on IRC. [00:43] now that you have the new nick, you can reveal the secret to the old one [00:44] hihi [00:44] Howdy, ochosi [00:44] Unit194, hmm, you new here? haven't seen your nick before [00:44] :) [00:45] Woah, chanact color changed. >_> [00:45] MAGIC TECHNOLOGY [00:45] knome: what do you think of including a web-irc-client on our website? is that even feasible? and if yes, is it a good idea? [00:45] ochosi, hmm. what about a link like in the slideshow? [00:46] ochosi, that would use freenode's own services [00:46] knome: i've never clicked that link... [00:46] ochosi, hah [00:46] wait [00:46] yeah, something like that, but a xubuntu-header would be nice [00:46] (to the worst an iframe) [00:46] hmm, right... [00:46] as in: keeping people on our site [00:47] iframe could work... [00:47] knome: I know the story behind it. How much will you pay for the information? [00:47] like in this quick mockup by someone else (which actually gave me the idea): http://imagebin.org/205898 [00:47] astraljava, one serving of rum? [00:47] :P [00:47] meh [00:47] hehe [00:47] ochosi, hmmph.. [00:47] well [00:48] i'm not willing to host a webirc [00:48] i mean, maintain one [00:48] what does the freenode-thing look like [00:48] and i don't think IS rejoices... [00:48] no, sure, that'd be overkill [00:48] :) [00:48] http://webchat.freenode.net/ [00:48] ok [00:48] let's use that then [00:48] adding a link like in the slide-show could be the first step [00:49] i still think integration would be nice [00:49] even if only via iframe [00:49] http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=xubuntu&nick=xubuntu...&prompt=1 [00:49] that's the link in the slideshow [00:49] note the default filled options === Unit194 is now known as Unit193 [00:50] Unit193, long time no see, eh? [00:50] :P [00:50] knome: yeah, that looks good to me [00:50] knome: provide a way back to our website (apart from the back-button) and we're good [00:50] knome: You get to explain to the freakies. [00:51] * xubuntu671 wonders how well the iframe would work with only 600px width [00:51] ochosi: i thought just iframing it inside the content area ;) [00:52] ochosi: or, we could have a special "irc"-template that would allow to use the xubuntu "frame", but dismiss the sidebar stuff and use that too [00:52] mhm, maybe an irc template, 600px is not very much [00:52] even just 200px more would probably make it a lot more readable/convenient [00:53] ochosi, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_improvements/?page_id=34 [00:54] not bad [00:54] not bad [00:54] the odd color of the freenode-client kinda conflicts with ours [00:54] the font could be smaller [00:54] i wonder if that's controllable... [00:54] hmyeah, not sure.. [00:54] (not the bg... ;)) [00:54] ah :) [00:56] tbh i think the font-size is ok [00:56] Clones are attacking... [00:56] also: people can change that with their browser [00:56] imo it's too large for the iframe width [00:56] depends on your browser/dpi settings [00:56] this is what it looks like here: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03302012-025622am.php [00:57] thttp://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_shots/irc-chat.png [00:57] http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_shots/irc-chat.png [00:57] i think making it 800px is better than making the font smaller [00:57] (or at least: much smaller) [00:58] heh [00:58] see the menu in top left [00:58] you can recolor the interface [00:58] yu [00:59] just found it myself [00:59] and wanted to tell you [00:59] but i'm wondering whether we can pass that as an option in the link [00:59] afaik we can [00:59] cool [01:00] then i don't see any reason why we shouldn't use this [01:00] http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=xubuntu&uio=MTE9MTMz98 [01:00] for example... [01:01] mm [01:02] ochosi, we could access the iframe css with javascript and change the bgcolor to what works for us anyway [01:02] hmm, that would mean cross-domain stuff though [01:02] ;) [01:02] i think we could just add an extra div [01:02] with the same bgcolor than the freenode webchat [01:02] mmh [01:03] with some padding [01:03] and rounded corners [01:03] yeah, sounds nice-looking [01:03] * knome tries that [01:04] ok, just finished the new video-mime icon testing [01:05] time to push that [01:05] heh [01:11] http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_improvements/?page_id=34 [01:13] nice [01:13] if only we could change the title "connect to freenode irc" [01:14] i don't think that's possible [01:14] but i guess adding some more text what this is about i think is sufficient [01:14] it would need changing the page name in the wp-admin!! [01:14] well yeah [01:14] notice that this is my test-host [01:14] mhm [01:14] sure, but yeah, i like the whole page as is [01:14] it's easy enough to copy that to prodcution too [01:15] i'm all for it :) [01:15] i always use webchat from work :P [01:17] ochosi, if you want to play with the freenode bar to get the perfect hue... feel free to. [01:17] i'm on my laptop now (which has terrible colors)... [01:17] can look at it again when i'm back @eizo tomorrow [01:17] ochosi, it's not something you need to do *now* [01:17] sure [01:18] just paste me the uio-argument you get when completing the "add to your site" -wizard [01:18] (if you want to change other things too in the UI options page, feel free to, just notify me of changes) [01:18] http://xubuntu.org/irc should work for those who are logged in [01:19] bleh, i got hungry :< [01:29] k, i'm going to sleep [01:29] see ya [01:30] yeah, i got to go too... [01:30] nighty all, see you later [01:30] Adios. [03:19] knome, :( theres no more boat on the wallpaper [09:59] just installed the 12.04 updates, but too busy to reboot. [10:51] timmillwood, well, thanks for letting us know... [11:03] knome, sorry [11:39] hmm, i'm wondering whether anyone else can confirm a missing icon of xfce4-clipman in precise [11:39] because i can't, but i got a report about that [11:40] (i mean yeah, the icon isn't pretty maybe, but it's there) [12:24] * jarnos played youtube in 12.04 and had pavucontrol's output devices tab open on a 500MHz P3. Then pulseaudio takes 50% CPU, pavucontrol 20% CPU and most of the rest power is left for the web browser. === cipi is now known as CiPi [13:06] Against which package you should file a bug report, when no mobile broadband connections are shown in networks panel applet after an usb mobile connection device is attached? === CiPi is now known as cipi [13:58] leo-unglaub: i can't confirm the bug with the missing icon for clipman [13:58] leo-unglaub: it's not a pretty icon, but it's not missing === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:09] knome: xubuntu.org/contribute/ looks great, and fixed up a couple spelling errors/typos on /contribute/marketing/ [16:09] I'll need more time to finish review of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/XubuntuOld - it's a lot and I need to do a refresher of all the wiki pages [16:32] ochosi: http://img171.imageshack.us/i/auswahl008.jpg/ [16:43] ochosi: it's xfce4-clipman-plugin (for the panel), xfce4-clipman (for the systray) is fine [16:56] pleia2, thanks! :) [18:13] mr_pouit, okay to upload changes mentioned in bug 969252 [18:13] Launchpad bug 969252 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Bluebird rebased against Greybird for Gtk3.4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/969252 [19:10] i am running xubuntu 12.04 for a while and now beta2 is available. If all updates are installed, does that mean i also have beta2, or do i have to download beta2? [19:18] xubuntu496: it means you also have beta2 [19:20] Thanks pleia2 [19:20] xubuntu496: Beta-2 only means the revision of the installable images on the cdimage.u.c server. The packages are what counts, and if you're up-to-date with them, you're on the same level with the images. [19:21] But things break differently with different CDs. [19:21] Unit193: That's a matter of the assembly of those cds. [19:24] Generally, yep. [19:45] goddamn T-bird.... [19:47] So, it just sat there for hours on end, without doing anything. Suddenly, told me about two new emails, and when I wanted to look what they said, it just froze. I was able to close it, but UNABLE to restart it. [19:47] * astraljava sometimes wishes he lived in the Dark Ages. [19:50] Now it just spews out an "input/output error". [19:50] Sweet. [19:55] That definitely sucks. So far I haven't had an issue with T-bird. Everything is working relatively okay. Getting ready to install a bunch of stuff though so we'll see if i break it [19:55] I use alpine... [19:57] astraljava: you wouldn't have bindwood installed, would you? [20:02] can someone verify something for me in 12.04 real quick? [20:15] $ apt-cache policy bindwood [20:15] bindwood: [20:15] Installed: (none) [20:16] Incredibly unbelievable. Now there are some *-1 directories in my various gmail accounts. === nanotube is now known as bitcoin === bitcoin is now known as nanotube