[03:16] <c_smith> hello, how to I get the media player related fn keys to work in Xubuntu?
[03:27] <c_smith> anyone?
[03:28] <c_smith> meh, guess I'll try anther DE.
[03:29] <c_smith> see if that fixed my problem.
[03:33] <GridCube> c_smith, they should work out of the box
[03:33] <c_smith> nope, they don't, tried 11.10, and not working, 12.04. same problem.
[03:34] <GridCube> if they not then try
[03:34] <GridCube> !keytouch
[03:34] <c_smith> ah, that might work, already familiar with keyboard shortcuts.
[03:35] <GridCube> most programs have terminal commands that you can pass while running
[03:35] <GridCube> media programs that is
[03:36] <c_smith> meh, but I'm looking to get the multimedia keys working for when I'm in a game and I wish to change the song in the background.
[03:36] <GridCube> well sleep time
[03:36] <c_smith> nn
[03:36] <GridCube> try keytouch c_smith
[03:36] <c_smith> I am.
[03:36] <GridCube> :)
[03:36] <c_smith> have a good sleep! :D
[03:36] <GridCube> good luck
[03:36] <GridCube> thanks
[03:38] <demoniccow> Hey! I installed lxde and nm-applet dosnt automaticly start. Is there a way to have it automatically open when i login to lxde?
[03:39] <demoniccow> And prefrebly close when i logout
[03:40] <c_smith> demoniccow, did you install lxde from the disk? or as a package?
[03:40] <demoniccow> from synaptic
[03:40] <demoniccow> (package manager)
[03:40] <c_smith> ah, ok, then I have no clue, not an lxde user.
[03:40] <demoniccow> thats fine, ill head over to #lubuntu
[03:41] <c_smith> demoniccow, gl! :D
[03:41] <demoniccow> ty
[07:28] <xubuntu219> ij
[07:29] <xubuntu219> Buongiorno
[08:56] <jarnos> My desktop (11.04) is corrupted. When I logged in, panel was gone. After starting panel, windows can be moved on top of it.
[08:56] <jarnos> Alt-tab does not work
[09:01] <well_laid_lawn> jarnos: anything in ~/,xsession-errors ?
[09:02] <well_laid_lawn> is xfwm running -   ps aux | grep xfwm
[09:02] <well_laid_lawn> or xfdesktop ?
[09:05] <ouyes> hehe, hi all, I get a bug I am running xubuntu 12.04 under a thinkpad x201, and the temparature of the cpu sometimes will go up to 94, and sometimes overheating and shut down
[09:06] <well_laid_lawn> is the fan running?
[09:06] <jarnos> well_laid_lawn, there is something there in the errors file; mostly errors for gnome-volume-control-applet
[09:07] <well_laid_lawn> jarnos: why is that running?
[09:09] <jarnos> well_laid_lawn, I don't know. xfwm is not running
[09:09] <well_laid_lawn> jarnos: how are you starting xubuntu? and what's in the autostart?
[09:11] <well_laid_lawn> jarnos: nautilus needs the --no-desktop option to run in xfce
[09:12] <jarnos> well_laid_lawn, no nautilus running
[09:12] <well_laid_lawn> k
[09:12] <jarnos> well_laid_lawn, i start the usual way
[09:14] <well_laid_lawn> jarnos: in terminal what does   xfwm &   do ?
[09:14] <jarnos> well_laid_lawn, I can not type in terminal, but in virtual console
[09:15] <xubuntu730> hello
[09:16] <jarnos> well_laid_lawn, command not found, did you mean xfwm4?
[09:16] <xubuntu730> I'm installing xubuntu 11.10 and it stops, can anyone help me ?
[09:16] <jarnos> xubuntu730, maybe it is just slow.
[09:17] <jarnos> well_laid_lawn, in virtual console xfwm4 complains it can not open display
[09:18] <ouyes> jarnos, the fan is running under 4000
[09:18] <xubuntu730> 1 hour at the same state ! never see that. it stop at log-output -t ubiquity fontconfig-voodoo --auto --force --quiet
[09:18] <ouyes> rpm
[09:18] <well_laid_lawn> jarnos: yep it's xfwm4 and X needs to be running for it to work - by terminal I meant an emulator in X
[09:20] <well_laid_lawn> ouyes: I only have around 1200 rpm here - in a terminal   top   will showw if the cpu is working hard
[09:27] <xubuntu730> Thanks Jarnos to answer my question. But i'm sorry, xubuntu install process realy stoped ! Do you think i could clic on "skip" button ?
[09:40] <xubuntu730> Quit
[10:32] <jarnos> What is it that xubuntu has and lubuntu does not have, that makes xubuntu's network manager applet shoe mobile broadband devices automatically?
[10:35] <Marzatta> jarnos: Lubuntu is very amateurish. It lacks style and a concept.
[10:36] <TheSheep> Marzatta: can we stick to actually useful facts?
[10:37] <Sysi> jarnos: some networkmanager plugin perhaps, or modem-manager
[10:37] <Marzatta> TheSheep: we do exactly this.
[10:38] <Sysi> "useful" being non-offtopic
[10:39] <Sysi> jarnos: you've asked lubuntu guys? they should know..
[10:40] <jarnos> Sysi, Well, I guess they would have included it in lubuntu, if they knew.
[10:40] <jarnos> Sysi, but I will.
[10:42] <Sysi> jarnos: two separate installations or desktop enviroment switch?
[10:42] <Sysi> they probably had *some* reason to not include whatever it is
[10:44] <jarnos> Sysi, well I tested pure Lubuntu 12.04 today and it did not have the feature. Here in 11.04 the feature is present in lubuntu login, but I have also xubuntu-desktop installed.
[10:45] <Sysi> beta can lack things or they can just fail
[10:45] <jarnos> Sysi, did xubuntu 10.04 have it? lubuntu 11.04 does not have it.
[10:46] <Sysi> no idea, not being sure what is "it"
[10:47] <Sysi> can be just newer kernel version or change in networkmanager
[10:48] <Marzatta> jarnos: Xubuntu shows broadband connections
[10:48] <knome> Marzatta, i've warned you before on attacking other derivatives/things. stop it now, we don't need need those comments.
[10:48] <Marzatta> knome: was not that political correct, or?
[10:49] <Sysi> you can also stop with other useless lines
[10:49] <Marzatta> Sysi: let's hope he will hear that
[10:50] <knome> Marzatta, it's the general atmosphere in the channel, we don't need sulky or otherwise negative comments
[10:51] <Marzatta> knome: real comments  have nothing to do with autistic atmosphere and complexes.
[10:52] <Sysi> support channel
[10:53] <Marzatta> ah!
[10:53]  * Marzatta was posting on a wrong channel. 
[10:55] <knome> Marzatta, this is not something up for discussion, either here or -offtopic.
[10:56] <Marzatta> knome: yes, I agree.
[10:57] <knome> Marzatta, thanks. in that case you probably understand there will be consequences if you will keep on posting such comments
[11:00] <Marzatta> knome: son, you as a project leader need to be a bit more aggressive and less that political correct. esp. towards Lubuntu, coz it will be nothing for you to lead if things will continue that way in the future.
[11:01] <knome> it is not a competition
[11:03] <Marzatta> yes, but it does not look good in any cv.
[11:11] <rohm1> On 12.04 beta 2 I was trying the new shortcuts; seems to work fine except Alt+F7 (maximize H+W) that does nothing; in xfce4-settings-editor, xfce4-jeyboard-shortcuts, /xfwm4/custom/<Alt>F7 is correctly set to maximize_window_key though
[11:11] <jarnos> Sysi, is anyone aware, if Xubuntu 12.04 can detect mobile broadband networks. Lubuntu 12.04 can not, even if it has the same network-manager-gnome, even if I additionally install network-manager-pptp-gnome
[11:11] <rohm1> (testing in a VM)
[11:13] <rohm1> no ok, it's captured by the main OS, sorry!
[11:15] <Sysi> jarnos: when I get a hold of 3G modem I can test, it can also be device specific
[12:01] <jarnos> Sysi, I installed xubuntu-desktop on top of lubuntu-desktop, and in 12.04 neither shows mobile broadband connections.
[12:36] <starn> how do i make videos have thumbnails?
[12:44] <TheSheep> Starn: install the thumbnailers
[12:45] <TheSheep> !info ffmpegthumbnailer
[12:48] <Starn> TheSheep: that didn't seem to make thumbnails for videos show..
[12:51] <TheSheep> Starn: did you try to install all the thumbnailers?
[12:52] <Starn> just the ones that was needed i just checked to see if i even had ffmpeg..
[12:53] <Starn> hmm i have ffmpeg and all the thumbnailers except the dbg and dev package
[13:22] <starn> TheSheep: i got it working thanks. i installed all files again and rebooted and now it works.
[13:27] <meisterluk> Hey guys. I'm having sound problems. Some time (a week?!) ago it worked, but suddenly it stopped...
[13:28] <meisterluk> My sound card gets detected, alsamixer channels are unmuted, I purged & reinstalled alsa and pulseaudio and followed instructions at http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Sound_Problembehebung [DE] Any ideas?
[13:40] <TheSheep> meisterluk: make sure the pulseaudio channel is unmuted
[13:41] <meisterluk> TheSheep: how do I do that?
[13:43] <TheSheep> meisterluk: open the mixer, select pulseaudio from the dropdown at the top
[13:43] <TheSheep> meisterluk: make sure all the channels are displayed and see if they are unmuted
[13:45] <meisterluk> TheSheep: Wow, that sounded like a good idea, but actually all the channel for all PulseAudio Mixers are unmuted... :-/
[13:46] <meisterluk> hum.
[13:46] <meisterluk> nope, no way. :-(
[13:47] <meisterluk> Is it somehow strange that I don't have a /etc/init.d/alsa-utils daemon?
[13:49] <meisterluk> (fyi, alsa-utils is installed and up2date)
[13:53] <meisterluk> (i also exchanged my audio equipment already)
[14:57] <arthurjohnson> Tell you what, when using other window managers that aren't 100% integrated with the Ubuntu menu system, xfce4-appfinder is a godsend!
[16:03] <baizon> any advice? on boot i cant see the kernel messages... i just got a blank screen, then the login screen shows up. I removed already "quiet splash" but it still blank. Any ideas how to fix it?
[16:04] <Mormaugus> try with GRUB customize to recover grub menu(you will need livecd)
[16:05] <baizon> hmm
[16:05] <baizon> any link with a howto?
[16:05] <Mormaugus> ammmm not in english :s
[16:05] <Mormaugus> you can only see the imgs
[16:05] <baizon> hmm ok
[16:06] <Mormaugus> http://skss.learnfree.eu/archives/3425
[16:06] <Mormaugus> you can use that distro USU, GRUB customize is included
[16:10] <baizon> ok, thanks
[16:11] <Mormaugus> if you need some help with translation i can help you
[16:48] <baizon> hmm
[16:49] <baizon> whats the difference between GRUB_GFXMODE and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX
[16:58] <baizon> ok so boot messages are workin again :)
[16:58] <baizon> just the resolution is bad
[17:03] <Mormaugus> ammmm i think you can change it
[17:03] <Mormaugus> take a look on that program, grub customize, i think there is option about resolution
[17:20] <baizon> damn
[17:20] <baizon> my boot is broken :/
[17:28] <baizon> ok, done :)
[17:29] <Mormaugus> how you fixed it?
[17:29] <baizon> had to use GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX
[17:30] <baizon> or to make it work with gfxmode i had to fix plymouth
[17:30] <baizon> with my stupid graphics card
[17:30] <Mormaugus> wich is?
[17:31] <Mormaugus> which*
[17:57] <baizon> AMD 6210
[17:57] <baizon> 6320
[19:11] <xubuntu407> just install xubuntu
[19:11] <xubuntu407> cool stuff
[19:12] <Unit193> !pm | xubuntu407
[19:14] <xubuntu407> can i upgrade my xubuntu-10.04 to the latest version available now
[19:15] <Unit193> You'll have to wait until 12.04 is released before you can upgrade to it, otherwise you'll have to go 10.04 > 10.10 > 11.04 > 11.10
[19:17] <xubuntu407> the best way you say is to do fresh install to the latest version?
[19:19] <Sysi> he's not saying that even if it is so.. but you can only upgrade 10.04 to 10.10 or 12.04
[19:19] <xubuntu407> directly to 12.04?
[19:20] <Unit193> Reinstall is best, but you can upgrade to that once it is released.
[19:21] <Sysi> LTS to LTS is supported, though 12.04 is still beta and supported at #ubuntu+1
[19:21] <Sysi> upgrades aren't probably thoroughly tested yet
[19:42] <Mormaugus> can i use xubuntu 12.04 like OS right now? i have been tried ubuntu, but didn't work properly
[19:43] <GridCube> Mormaugus, as "can" you can, as should, then probably wait a few weeks
[19:44] <GridCube> stuff shouldnt massively change in the next few weeks but some might
[19:44] <jrgifford> Hey, quick question: Is the Xubuntu 12.04 release date currently set as the same date that "normal" Ubuntu is? (that is, April 26th)
[19:45] <GridCube> jrgifford, yes
[19:45] <jrgifford> i can't find a official release schedule wikipage or anything like that.
[19:45] <jrgifford> GridCube: thanks
[19:45] <Unit193> Should be, maybhe a respin after.
[19:46] <Mormaugus> i can't wait, i'm using xubuntu about 1 mouth, it's the distro for me
[19:46] <GridCube> jrgifford, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[19:47] <jrgifford> GridCube: so is that release schedule for all official *buntu's?
[19:47] <GridCube> jrgifford, for oficial derivatives, yes
[19:47] <jrgifford> GridCube: gotcha, thanks!
[19:47] <GridCube> like ubuntu/kubuntu/lubuntu/xubuntu
[20:43] <meerkats> can I install k9copy, a kde program under xubuntu?
[20:45] <Sysi> of course, if it's in repositories
[20:46] <meerkats> Sysi, xubuntu and ubuntu repos are exactly the same, arent they?
[20:46] <Unit193> Yep.
[20:46] <mongy> meerkats: means pulling down a lot of dependencies though.
[20:47] <meerkats> mongy, as of now im thinkin of dropping ubuntu for xubuntu, due to its low weight...
[20:47] <mongy> meerkats: not that it means much to me personally.  #justsayin
[20:49] <mongy> meerkats: I (still) have problems burning plain data to a disc in brasero (unless I make an iso first) so I tried xfburn, great works ok, tried k3b - works great, tried gnomebaker - works great so decided on gnomebaker due to lightness and functions.
[20:51] <meerkats> i mainly use that k9copy to copy dvds onto a HDD
[20:52] <mongy> ah yes, k9copy is a nice tool.
[20:55] <meerkats> is there a x9copy?
[20:56] <mongy> what do you want the output to be ?
[20:58] <meerkats> mp4, but I want to choose quality, like 1gb per hour or 1.5gb per hour
[20:58] <meerkats> dont need to be 1 on 1 copy
[21:00] <Sysi> too bad handbrake-gtk is only for LTS
[21:00] <Sysi> hanbrake-cli takes some interest in manpages
[21:18] <sterling_ptech> So I am currently installing xubuntu, I want the capability of using dual monitors. Having trouble stopping and starting  though.
[21:19] <sterling_ptech> xx
[21:19] <sterling_ptech> *Stopping and starting X
[21:20] <Sysi> log out and back in
[21:20] <mongy> meerkats:  https://launchpad.net/~stebbins/+archive/handbrake-releases
[21:21] <Sysi> if you can't/don't want to use xrandr (via arandr)
[21:22] <Sysi> mongy: is that cli or gtk version? I know cli version is available for non-lts too
[21:22] <mongy> Sysi: gtk is available for non-lts too
[21:22] <Sysi> cool
[21:23] <sterling_ptech> So if I were to do "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" then install the nvidia driver and start the service again, it wouldn't work?
[21:23] <Sysi> gdm isn't used in 11.10 by default
[21:23] <sterling_ptech> lightdm?
[21:24] <Sysi> yup
[21:24] <sterling_ptech> k
[21:24] <Sysi> you should use "Additional drivers" app
[21:24] <sterling_ptech> I've enabled the driver through that app and it still doesn't recognize that I have another display.
[21:25] <Sysi> what doesn't, nvidia or xfce settings?
[21:25] <sterling_ptech> Neither.
[21:26] <sterling_ptech> I was considering just modifying the xorg.conf file altogether and seeing if that works.
[22:40] <meerkats> how does xubuntu lists apps? classic gnome way or more like unity?
[22:40] <meerkats> there are lots of options I only recognize due to the icon and the place where I stored the symlink
[22:42] <TheSheep> meerkats: it creates the menu from the .desktop fiels in /usr/share/applications
[22:42] <TheSheep> files*
[22:43] <meerkats> TheSheep, for the noob: is that like gnome?
[22:43] <meerkats> or will I still have to open a dash and type letters?
[22:44] <TheSheep> no, you select from a menu
[22:46] <meerkats> TheSheep, what is the xubuntu icon? a rabbit?
[22:47] <TheSheep> a mouse
[22:47] <TheSheep> it's based on the xfce's icon
[22:54] <meerkats> id like to know why you use xubuntu instead of ubuntu TheSheep
[22:58]  * mongy found out about thunar and the rename function.  well done.
[23:15] <GridCube> thunar rename function is indeed awesome
[23:15] <ThePendulum> Greetings
[23:42] <meerkats> is there xubuntu one? I need the ubuntu one app
[23:42] <meerkats> can I use ubuntuone with xubuntu?
[23:43] <Unit193> Hope so, because if not, I better uninstall it! ;)
[23:43] <Unit193> Aye, jsut not as integrated.
[23:45] <meerkats> Unit193, does it at least auto update any changes made in my local ubuntuone directory?
[23:45] <Unit193> Yep, sync works.
[23:47] <meerkats> Unit193, do you by chance use libreoffice under xubuntu?
[23:47] <Unit193> Use, not exactly, but I do have it installed.
[23:47] <meerkats> what I mean it works
[23:48] <meerkats> what I mean: it works
[23:51] <Unit193> It opens, yep.
[23:51] <Unit193> Opens docs asa well.
[23:52] <riddlebox> hello all, I have a quick question, can you upgrade xubuntu to new versions like you do with ubuntu itself? or are you supposed to do a fresh install?
[23:53] <magerquark> you can upgrade xubuntu
[23:53] <riddlebox> sweet
[23:53] <magerquark> i would recommend a fresh install nevertheless
[23:54] <riddlebox> really my wife has been upgrading her ubuntu laptop for 3 years now and never had a problem
[23:54] <magerquark> as long as you only use standard-programs, there should not be any problem
[23:55] <meerkats> thats not my case...
[23:55] <magerquark> as soon as you start optimising your os, i would recommend a fresh install
[23:55] <meerkats> how many times have you been told that xubuntu looks ugly?
[23:56] <riddlebox> I have never looked at it why?
[23:56] <meerkats> curiosity: 2 persons on other channels said that when I suggested: Im moving to xubuntu
[23:57] <riddlebox> magerquark, I really dont do to much customizing or anything my wallpaper usually stays default too
[23:57] <magerquark> riddlebox, than go for xubuntu
[23:57] <magerquark> but why do you want to change from ubuntu to xubuntu
[23:57] <magerquark> ?
[23:57] <riddlebox> plus right now I am using xfce on fedora right now
[23:58] <meerkats> unity sucks and renderms my craptop unusable, gnome's fallback used by ubuntu sucks (incomplete)
[23:58] <meerkats> when ubuntu restarts supporting a new version of gnome i may move back
[23:59] <riddlebox> magerquark, I havent used ubuntu since unity came out, I have bounced back and forth from ubuntu,fedora,arch,slackware for years but I do like apt-get
[23:59] <meerkats> i dont know arch and slackware
[23:59] <riddlebox> meerkats, on my very very fast laptop in unity I click on firefox it takes 10 seconds to open!