[00:23] <Zoffix> Hey. So far I only managed to see the beta2 from live CD... .Question: is there to get the usual desktop environment that we had in the previous versions on Ubuntu? I'm totally hating the dash thing and other stuff....
[00:24] <taxman> hahaha, so do i
[00:24] <Zoffix> :)
[00:24] <xrdodrx> Zoffix, taxman install the `gnome-panel' package.
[00:24] <Zoffix> xrdodrx, thanks.
[00:24] <Zoffix> I will if I actually manage to install it. It refuses to install the boot loader :/ I suspect it's because I'm trying to install it on my mirror raid :\
[00:33] <taxman> how many bug did you find in 12.04?
[00:34] <itaylor57> bastidrazor, well i retried pcbsd with gnome and much better (live verison)
[00:34] <Zoffix> Man, this sucks. Don't know what to install :| I want the latest, but it doesn't want to install... If I do 11.10, then the next update will inevitably break some stuff... *sigh*
[00:35] <itaylor57> so i will probably reinstall my entire drive to bsd
[00:35] <taxman> lol
[00:35] <taxman> there is new bsd
[00:36] <taxman> it's called 'ghostbsd'
[00:36] <Zoffix> I don't want to learn a new system either.. I wonder what version of Ubuntu I got at work :/ 11.10 I think...
[00:37] <taxman> new system? who the hell doesn't know bsd, linux, macos and windows nowadays?
[00:38] <Zoffix> Hm.. I'm actually having a hard time thinking of anyone who does :)
[00:38] <Zoffix> Last time I used OpenBSD, I heard 1990s calling....
[00:38] <taxman> do you want to say: i have no time...
[00:38] <itaylor57> sorry i posted to wrong room
[00:39] <taxman> i made a home router with obsd+pf
[00:39] <Zoffix> Yeah, I definitely don't have time.
[00:39] <taxman> it's quite fast
[00:40] <Zoffix> Hmm... I wonder if there's much difference between using BIOS to setup drives as RAID or using Ubuntu's "Software RAID" :/
[00:40] <taxman> lvm is not raid
[00:41] <taxman> they are different
[00:41] <Zoffix> What's lvm?
[00:41] <taxman> ...
[00:41] <yofel> !lvm
[00:41] <Zoffix> I see
[00:41] <yofel> and software raid would be dmraid, bios is better
[00:41] <Zoffix> Hm
[00:42] <taxman> i prefer to use a standalone hardware raid box
[00:42] <ratcheer> taxman: Big bucks?
[00:43] <taxman> maybe chinese are making cheap personal raid boxes now
[00:43] <ratcheer> Yes, probably.
[00:43] <taxman> ssd + raid = perfect
[00:43] <taxman> +thunderbolt
[00:44] <taxman> then you can attach this raid to a macbook air
[00:47] <LetterRipo> hi all - just wanted to mention that during the update - i had update initramfs and kernel module builds of nvidia triggered a huge number of times
[00:47] <LetterRipo> i think 4 times
[00:48] <LetterRipo> something that should have happened once for each of the kernels
[00:48] <LetterRipo> that were impacted
[00:48] <LetterRipo> instead the latest kernel and the previous kernel had it happen many times each
[00:49] <LetterRipo> just thought i'd let you all know
[00:51] <Daekdroom> LetterRipo, someone who can work on that will hardly notice it in here.
[00:52] <LetterRipo> Daekdroom: ah so noone core to ubuntu dev here?
[00:52] <LetterRipo> is there an irc channel i can mention it?
[00:52] <penguin42> LetterRipo: File a bug
[00:53] <glosoli> !bug | LetterRipo
[00:53] <penguin42> LetterRipo: There seem to be a lot of things like that which get done on every kernel every time there is an update and often multiple times in one update set because of multiple things that touch it
[00:53] <LetterRipo> hmm there really should be an easier way to report such bugs
[00:53] <glosoli> For example ?
[00:54] <Daekdroom> LetterRipo, there are plenty of people in here who work on Ubuntu development, but they prefer to use the bug tracker.
[00:54] <penguin42> LetterRipo: Bugs work pretty well because they're recorded, they're searchable and you can follow them
[00:54] <Daekdroom> and you can discuss them if necessary
[00:54] <glosoli> Anybody uses Firefox here on Precise  ?
[00:54] <LetterRipo> penguin42: i'm familiar with bug trackers - do blender bug tracker maintance occassionaly :)
[00:55] <LetterRipo> i am quite aware of their benefits and detriments
[00:56] <LetterRipo> glosoli: occassionaly though mostly using chrome
[00:56] <glosoli> Do you also get in Bookmarks Tool bar sub-directories with no icons ?
[00:56] <LetterRipo> checking...
[00:57] <LetterRipo> hmm the main entries have no icons for me
[00:57] <LetterRipo> i mean all things in my folders have no icons
[00:57] <LetterRipo> that are on the toolbar
[00:58] <glosoli> i mean sub folder icons
[00:58] <glosoli> in bookmarks tool bar
[00:58] <glosoli> for me folders has but their sub folders doesn't :)
[00:59] <LetterRipo> well i didn't have any subfolders - but all entries in the folders had no icons :)
[01:03] <roasted> HELLO! :D
[01:10] <ratcheer> Hi, roasted !
[01:11] <ratcheer> Did you ever get your wireless working?
[01:11] <roasted> my wireless?
[01:11] <roasted> *drawing a blank* I don't recall having a wireless issue
[01:11] <roasted> my issue was with 2D vs 3D shortcuts (2D wasn't working right)
[01:11] <ratcheer> Sorry, that must have been someone else.
[01:12] <ratcheer> Yes, I remember, now. The Super key stuff.
[01:12] <roasted> :)
[01:12] <roasted> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/834078
[01:12] <roasted> I commented at the bottom to bump it up
[01:12] <ratcheer> I hope it helps.
[01:13] <roasted> I'm sure they'll fix it.
[01:13] <roasted> There's no reason to not have the shortcuts match, y aknow?
[01:13] <roasted> It'll only rage people, like myself, who are likely going to use a mixture of 2D and 3D :)
[01:26] <kklimonda> bah, so I'm trying to use HUD just to realize that I've never really used application menus that much
[01:26] <kklimonda> so I can't even see if HUD is of any use to me
[01:27] <Daekdroom> I think it's useful for finding menus I don't know where they are.
[01:28] <Daekdroom> Otherwise, I don't remember about it
[01:32] <kklimonda> it's funny actually, the only application where I could see myself use it (wing ide) doesn't work with appmenu ;)
[01:34] <Daekdroom> Does anyone else use clementine?
[01:34] <Daekdroom> appmenu-qt is not working with it for me
[02:01] <wrostek> Im trying to make a kernel bisect, but my compile is failing, and not outputting an error.. can someone tell me where the error is occurring? http://pastebin.com/Ms19YxMm
[02:05] <wrostek> whoops sorry, I found it ndiswrapper way at the top
[02:10] <jbicha> Daekdroom: I heard that clementine explicitly opts out of using the appmenu
[02:10] <Daekdroom> jbicha, why?
[02:11] <Daekdroom> Well.. I mean, I don't see any reason to.
[02:14] <Daekdroom> Oh. It's in the 1.0 version changelog indeed.
[02:14] <Daekdroom> But no explanation why.
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> according to the source it was due to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/775278
[02:37] <TheSimkin> hey
[03:29] <ANDolf> hp mini with broadcom enable wireless grayed out
[03:30] <ANDolf> hp mini with broadcom enable wireless grayed out
[03:34] <ANDolf> hp mini with broadcom enable wireless grayed out
[03:56] <ANDolf> hp mini with broadcom enable wireless grayed out
[04:05] <wrostek2> Im trying to bisect a problem with my rt2x00 wireless drivers. In 3.0.0-16-generic oneiric it works, but in 3.1.0-1-generic precise it does not.   How do I get a git pull of changes between those kernels? they are on two separate repositories no?  git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-precise.git and git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-oneiric.git
[04:11] <jbicha> wrostek2: you'll probably get more help in #ubuntu-kernel
[04:22] <frybye> hi - is there some way to increase the scroll-wheel speed on 12.04 beta2?
[04:23] <frybye> over on the "dark side" i use intellipoint to fix such stuff but...?
[04:33] <DropsOfSerenity> i'm getting a blue tint in youtube videos, since the last flash update, anyone having same problem? video is fine everywhere else.
[04:33] <frybye> not that this problem is very important..
[04:33] <bazhang> DropsOfSerenity, disable hw acceleration
[04:36] <DropsOfSerenity> bazhang, i can't click the box that would allow me to do that
[04:48] <DropsOfSerenity> bazhang, nothin on that?
[04:49] <DropsOfSerenity> I cannot uncheck my hardware acceleration box in flash, i've tried tabbing to it and pressing space as well and that doesn't work either.
[04:49] <bazhang> no idea, it works here fine
[04:51] <DropsOfSerenity> found the solution, for any having the same problem, you need to fullscreen the youtube video, then you can change the setting.
[05:59] <rymate1234> hey
[06:12] <ubuntu_> beta2 and same problem as beta1 on eeepc, install hangs at installing packages
[06:13] <ubuntu_> live session works fine and media check is good
[06:14] <ubuntu_> setup partitions and user etc...
[06:14] <phibxr> My installation of Beta 2 crashed with only partial windows displaying -- after a reboot the system had finished installing fine though. :P
[06:15] <ubuntu_> as install proceeds past the formatting of partitions and starts the installing of packages
[06:15] <ubuntu_> it just hangs
[06:15] <ubuntu_> though the live desktop is still ok
[06:16] <ubuntu_> LOL, I had to install xchat in the live session
[06:22] <rymate1234> hmmm
[06:23] <ubuntu_> hmmm indeed
[06:26] <ubuntu_> Has any one else here managed it on a eeepc _64?
[06:27] <rymate1234> what amd fglrx is installed by additional drivers?
[06:28] <ubuntu_> rymate1234, I assume that's not aimed at me
[06:28] <rymate1234> nope
[06:28] <rymate1234> just randomly aimed at the channel :)
[06:29] <ubuntu_> lol
[06:31]  * nonix4 ponders how to convince udev that SAS devices should actually be used for "persistent" storage, whatever "persistent" means in that case...
[06:41] <gnu-dio> So, I installed 12.04 to usb-flash with the installer from pen-drive-linux. Worked great, until I let it do updates. After that it spent the next 7 hours thrashing (assumption based on very low responsiveness, capped out swap space use) and I had to power-off the machine because I couldn't wait on it anymore. The install is broken now, I'll have to reinstall it. I'm not sure what exactly I want to ask, but is this a known issue? I
[06:45] <nonix4> capped out swap = bad; how much ram & swap were available?
[06:45] <gnu-dio> 512mb ram, 1gb swap.
[06:45] <rymate1234> so
[06:46] <rymate1234> currently using Ubuntu 12.04
[06:46] <gnu-dio> swap on hdd as genuine swap partition
[06:46] <rymate1234> haven't touched the hud yet ^^
[06:46] <gnu-dio> no, I'm in puppylinux atm
[06:46] <gnu-dio> that install is totally borked now
[06:47] <Num83rGuy> Ha! nvidia is broke again.
[06:48] <gnu-dio> I'm actually downloading the beta2 iso now, when I reinstall it will be with nehe new iso, so hopefully less updates required. may not freak out (hopefully)
[06:48] <Num83rGuy> Almost all other breakages I can live with but, having to work in 800x600 is a PITA.
[06:51] <gnu-dio> I used to be an nvidia guy, but since the amd takeover, I'm starting to like ati much more. Especially that they released enough specs for really working oss drivers to be written... ;)
[06:51] <rymate1234> yay
[06:52] <nonix4> VM image copy of such borked installation might be useful for debugging/fixing it... but reinstall is likely far less work :)
[06:52] <rymate1234> ^
[06:52] <Num83rGuy> I don't think I'll switch until they really screw up.
[06:54] <gnu-dio> It wasn't used for anything. I installed it, used it for a day, installed a few of my favorite pieces of software, then let it update itself to death... ;) reinstalling is DEFINATELY the way to go for me ;)
[06:56] <gnu-dio> now, if someone wanted to try and look at it and find out what happened for development purposes, I'd go to great lengths to get the image to whoever. But I assume nobody wants it, and I certainly have no desire to fix it "the hard way".
[06:57]  * nonix4 notes he wouldn't know, since he has 50 gigabytes swap...
[07:12] <rymate1234> how do I install the youtube len on 12.04 beta2
[07:13] <frybye> rymate1234: what is a "len?"
[07:13] <rymate1234> I meant lens
[07:13] <rymate1234> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/youtube-lens-adds-minitube-playback-option/
[07:13] <frybye> sorry - never heard of it...
[07:14] <rymate1234> I get this error http://pastebin.com/vJ24KH1r
[07:17] <frybye> Looks like it might not yet be available for 12.04 - but I am no wizz.. perhaps sbdy else has a comment
[07:18] <rymate1234> meh ok :(
[07:19] <frybye> there is the remark about broken packages.. some wizz will be able to advise you on that I guess.. not many active here just now though apparently..
[07:20] <gnu-dio> My reaction is that you'd have to try and pull the missing package from the 11.10 repositories and get it to install. And since it isn't in 12.04 yet, there's no garuntee that it would work at all.
[07:38] <frybye> the old adage: "Don't forget - you have a Beta!"
[07:42] <Num83rGuy> LOL too much X crack.
[08:12] <cousin_luigi> Greetings.
[08:13]  * gnu-dio waves
[08:22] <cousin_luigi> Any idea how to persuade lightdm not to show that pink abomination as background?
[08:22] <cousin_luigi> SLDM is apparently not doing its job.
[08:40] <gnu-dio> For anyone who cares about the earlier issue I had(posted almost exactly 2h ago): beta2 does NOT display the same behavior as beta1 when I ran updates. It appears to have worked perfectly.
[09:00] <maximilius> the people work like crazy. updates, more updates. nice!
[09:01] <astraljava> maximilius: Yeah well, beta-2 isn't in the end of the roadmap. :)
[09:01] <maximilius> *nod nod*
[09:01] <astraljava> But you're right, they seem relentless.
[09:02] <astraljava> Also, many changes were in a queue, waiting for the beta-2 freeze to vanish.
[09:02] <maximilius> and that freeze happened about yesterday or today?
[09:03] <astraljava> maximilius: Images were released on Thursday.
[09:04] <maximilius> is there an RSS feed with such interesting information by chance?
[09:04] <astraljava> ...so the freeze was lifted about midnight UTC, between Thu and Fri.
[09:04] <astraljava> maximilius: There is a mailing list that announces all the updates on packages.
[09:04] <astraljava> precise-changes@lists.ubuntu.com, I believe.
[09:04] <maximilius> oh
[09:05] <astraljava> ...or was that not what you asked? I'm a little unsure.
[09:06] <maximilius> i was hoping for something i could import into Google Reader :P
[09:06] <astraljava> maximilius: Oh, well maybe planet.u.c is more what you're looking for, then?
[09:06]  * astraljava doesn't know, IRC and email is what he uses. :)
[09:07]  * maximilius smiles
[09:08] <maximilius> another question maybe? the support here, it moves to #ubuntu as soon as PP turns into "stable" right?
[09:08] <astraljava> Yes that's right.
[09:11] <ScG^Dedicated> hello, I am using ubuntu 12.04 on my laptop and normally when you stop working on the laptop and wait a little the screen's brightness dims. but when i manually set the screen brightness it does the opposite instaid it sets the brightness very bright instaid of leaving it at the not so bright settings. any ideas? :)
[09:17] <gnu-dio> I'm preparing to migrate my systems to 12.04 from 10.04 sometime after release and testing and such now from a usb-flash install. I'm curious, as I'm finding Unity to be counter-intuitive since I'm used to Gnome/KDE/Xfce, do most of the early adopters like unity? Or is it getting replaced with another WM for most early adopters?
[09:20] <anthropos> i think a lot of people dislike unity
[09:20] <anthropos> but i have no hard statistics
[09:20] <anthropos> I personally switched, but to gnome shell, which you'd probably find just as counterintuitive
[09:22] <robin0800> ! notunity | gnu-dio
[09:23] <gnu-dio> robin0800: I already replaced it with xfce4, my personal prefrence. I was asking what anthropos answered, not for help... :P
[09:24] <anthropos> unity is controversial
[09:24] <anthropos> that much is certain
[09:24] <maximilius> !unity
[09:24] <jokerdino> unity debate is never productive
[09:24] <jokerdino> you either like it or you don't
[09:25] <ScG^Dedicated> hello, I am using ubuntu 12.04 on my laptop and normally when you stop working on the laptop and wait a little the screen's brightness dims. but when i manually set the screen brightness it does the opposite instaid it sets the brightness very bright instaid of leaving it at the not so bright settings. any ideas? :)
[09:25] <maximilius> i force me to like it to stay mainstream :o)
[09:25] <anthropos> i tried to like it, but i didn't take.
[09:25] <anthropos> *it
[09:26] <jokerdino> ScG^Dedicated: sounds like a bug
[09:26] <maximilius> useful would be an introduction video
[09:26] <jokerdino> we have ubuntu-docs documentation which is pretty good.
[09:26] <maximilius> but that turns out into: go and make one
[09:26] <gnu-dio> maximilius: To some extent that was why I asked. If it looks like it's going to become what most low-skill users are using, I NEED to learn it. If not, I'll probably just blow it off...
[09:26] <jokerdino> it just needs some update for 12.04
[09:27] <ScG^Dedicated> jokerdino, I have to submit the bug?
[09:27] <anthropos> are you supporting end users or something like this, gnu-dio ?
[09:27] <jokerdino> how did you set your brightness?
[09:27] <maximilius> gnu-dio: its the default for the upcoming LTS so its default for a few years ;)
[09:29] <ScG^Dedicated> jokerdino, i set it with my keyboard fnction butons, it works when I set then brightness in the brightness & lock settings but have to redo that everytime i reboot
[09:29] <ScG^Dedicated> I had the problem in 11.10 too
[09:30] <jokerdino> weird, i never had them here.
[09:30] <anthropos> is anyone else having trouble with seahorse (the passwd manager) in 12.04? I can't see any passwords I manually added
[09:30] <jokerdino> ScG^Dedicated:  can you set to turn off screen after 10 minutes and check if it changes anything?
[09:30] <ScG^Dedicated> sure
[09:30] <anthropos> i'd appreciate it if someone could check to see if their password manager is working when adding plaintext passwords by hand
[09:30] <maximilius> and regarding the docs - they are fine. but i am a learner who needs visual and audio support
[09:31] <jokerdino> anthropos: what do you mean by that? you think it is not working?
[09:32] <ScG^Dedicated> jokerdino I believe 10 minutes is the default and I set it to 5, and now back to 10 again
[09:32] <anthropos> yes, as far as I can tell it does nothing whatsoever. I create a keyring and try to add some passwords to it and they don't appear. there are some other issues too but they seem more benign
[09:32] <jokerdino> there is no password showing up here.
[09:32] <anthropos> e.g. when i delete a keyring, it doesn't disappear until I restart seahorse (if I try to delete it again, seahorse complains). but that's not a big deal
[09:32] <anthropos> is it remembering your passwords that it automatically catches?
[09:34] <jokerdino> i don't know what it is doing. it used to show all the passwords, now it doesn't
[09:34] <anthropos> ok, so you agree that it seems broken?
[09:35] <anthropos> or perhaps this is a 'feature' ?
[09:35] <jokerdino> maybe
[09:35] <anthropos> does it seem to be doing anything functional, e.g. autofilling in some passwords still?
[09:35] <jokerdino> autofiling is done by the browser, so i can't tell
[09:36] <anthropos> yes, my browser's autofill works fine of course. but for other password prompts it doesn't seem to work
[09:43] <gnu-dio> anthropos: Yes, I am the support for the end users in the business I work at.
[09:43] <ScG^Dedicated> btw another thing, I have both a intel and nvidia gfx card and heard it's called nvidia optimus. is this something that will be implemented in the final 12.04 build?
[09:44] <anthropos> i suppose you should probably get used to unity, then, gnu-dio
[09:45] <anthropos> 12.04 has the nvidia proprietary drivers just like 11.10, so presumably the nvidia card works fine
[09:45] <gnu-dio> anthropos: And, I am support for a dozen or so friends&family that I've convinced over the years to jump into Ubuntu from Windows (usually after a malware incident that costs them much data)
[09:45] <anthropos> do you know of some problem with it?
[09:48] <ScG^Dedicated> anthropos, the card works fine but the nvidia is used all the time while it would save me a lot of baterry if it was using the intel card when not doing anything like gaming
[09:48] <anthropos> oh, i don't know ScG^Dedicated
[09:48] <anthropos> sorry
[09:48] <ScG^Dedicated> no problem
[09:49] <ScG^Dedicated> but isn't this the official place to discuss problems like these? XD
[09:49] <anthropos> yes
[09:50] <ScG^Dedicated> so for example my problem with the screen brightness on my laptop, can I make a bug report of that? and if so where do I do that>
[09:51] <anthropos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[10:03] <brobostigon> has anyone installed gnome-shell next to unity, and do they clash?
[10:06] <jelmer> brobostigon: you can't run them both at the same time obviously
[10:07] <jelmer> but they can happily be both installed, and you can pick one when logging in
[10:07] <brobostigon> good, that all i was wondering, as in the past, when i have had them both installed, they have clashed.
[10:09] <alex-> jelmer: brobostigon they can
[10:10] <alex-> I logged in into Unity
[10:10] <alex-> and then started gnome-panel
[10:10] <alex-> and then you have unity + gnome panel
[10:24] <rymate1234> so fuck
[10:25] <rymate1234> decided to make a new partition in windows 8 (there was 14Gb free space)
[10:25] <rymate1234> IT WIPED LINUX
[10:25] <sddhrthrt> ubuntu 12.04 b2 came out?
[10:26] <rymate1234> YWS
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> loose the windows
[10:26] <cousin_luigi> rymate1234: was linux on a logical or a primary partition?
[10:26] <rymate1234> cousin_luigi, I haven't a clue
[10:26] <brobostigon> sddhrthrt: yes, check the release schedule on the wiki.
[10:26] <sddhrthrt> okay. have link handy?
[10:27] <rymate1234> sddhrthrt, ever heard of google?
[10:27] <cousin_luigi> rymate1234: was the linux partition actually overwritten?
[10:27] <sddhrthrt> rymate1234: just asked. if it's handy.
[10:27] <sddhrthrt> too lazy :P
[10:27] <rymate1234> cousin_luigi, its turned into "free space!
[10:27] <brobostigon> sddhrthrt: wiki.ubuntu.com/PreciseReleaseSchedule
[10:27] <sddhrthrt> brobostigon: thanks mahn :)
[10:27] <brobostigon> sddhrthrt: :)
[10:28] <cousin_luigi> rymate1234: does your favourite linux livecd agree on that?
[10:28] <rymate1234> I have a window tool that can read linux partitions
[10:29] <rymate1234> and it can't see the,
[10:29] <rymate1234> haven't tried on my ubuntu live cd
[10:29] <rymate1234> *live udb
[10:29] <rymate1234> *live usb
[10:30] <rymate1234> i'm just copying over my windows files to another partition in preparation to install windows 7
[10:46] <rymate1234> brb/bbl rebooting
[10:58] <jtaylor> whats the new keyboard shortcut for minimize?
[10:58] <jokerdino> jtaylor: ctrl - alt - d doesn't minimize?
[10:59] <jtaylor> a single window
[10:59] <jtaylor> keyboard setting sais ctrl+alt+0 which doesn't work ...
[10:59] <jtaylor> but changing it does, problem solved
[11:00] <jokerdino> ok nice
[11:12] <Onlyodin> Is there an easy way to change Alt+Tab behaviour so that it can switch between apps regardless of workspace?
[11:12] <jokerdino> Onlyodin: yes you can..
[11:13] <jokerdino> quick way - ctrl + alt + tab
[11:14] <Onlyodin> That's only slightly annoying
[11:14] <jokerdino> permanent fix - ccsm > unity plugin > uncheck bias alt-tab
[11:15] <Onlyodin> Ahh perfect.
[11:16] <Onlyodin> Thankyou kindly.
[11:16] <jokerdino> happy to see a happy user
[11:39] <ferni> one similar issue, is there a way to tell compiz to display window only on one workspace?
[11:42] <ihatewindows> Hi guys
[11:42] <ihatewindows> my ubuntu does not recognize my HHD
[11:42] <ihatewindows> beta 1 user
[11:43] <OldManMagnus> hi. i've just ran an apt-get dist-upgrade and now when i log in there are no menus or anything. anyone else having this problem?
[11:43] <rymate1234> yay
[11:43] <ihatewindows> help, please? It's really a pain
[11:44] <rymate1234> managed to recover my /home partition :D
[11:44] <ihatewindows> is it a bug? I can't upgrade to beta 2.. beta 1 is my only chanc
[11:44] <ihatewindows> congratz rymate1234 :D
[11:44] <rymate1234> ihatewindows, whats up with beta 2 installation?
[11:45] <ihatewindows> my ubuntu does not recognize my HHD
[11:45] <ihatewindows> I'm on flash disk
[11:45] <OldManMagnus> i have severe doubts about 12.04 actually being released in april. :)
[11:46] <rymate1234> it seems stable
[11:46] <rymate1234> the only reason i had to recover my /home was because windows 8 borked my partitions
[11:46] <Dr_willis> they always seem to get close to the expected date...
[11:47] <ihatewindows> help, please?
[11:47] <brobostigon> Installing new version of config file /etc/init/aiccu.conf ...
[11:47] <brobostigon> Files /usr/share/aiccu/conf-templates/aiccu.conf and /etc/aiccu.conf differ
[11:48] <brobostigon> aptitude safe-upgrade is sticking at that, wont go any further, how do i get it to continue?
[11:48] <Dr_willis> hmm.
[11:49] <rymate1234> afk!
[11:51] <ihatewindows> I can't mount my SATA drive
[11:51] <ihatewindows> in disk utility it just gives me information about it
[11:51] <ihatewindows> it won't let me mount it
[11:51] <ihatewindows> what can I do? please!
[11:51] <ihatewindows> ubuntu 12.04b1
[11:51] <Dr_willis> try to mount it from the terminal.
[11:52] <ihatewindows> how can I see the device id?
[11:52] <ihatewindows> to use mount on it?
[11:52] <ihatewindows> mount /sda refers to the cd, and mount /sda1 does not exist
[11:53] <Dr_willis> sda1 would be a partion on the cd.. so i dont think you want sda1
[11:53] <ironhalik> ihatewindows: Im not sure your nick is proper one here ;)
[11:53] <Dr_willis> check 'fdisk -l' output
[11:53] <ihatewindows> i meant /dev/
[11:54] <ihatewindows> fdisk -l doesn't output a thing
[11:54] <ihatewindows> it just goes to the next line
[11:54] <Dr_willis> use sudo fdisk -l
[11:54] <ihatewindows> ironhalik: thanks for your caring about windows.
[11:54] <philinux> OldManMagnus: I'm just updating now. It's a new kernel so I'll see once it's in and rebooted
[11:54] <ihatewindows> it's just /dev/sda1
[11:54] <ihatewindows> :(
[11:55] <philinux> ihatewindows: sudo fdisk -l
[11:55] <Dr_willis> you have just the one hard drive?
[11:55] <ihatewindows>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System /dev/sda1   *          32     1970687      985328    b  W95 FAT32
[11:55] <ihatewindows> yes
[11:55] <Dr_willis> so....
[11:55] <Dr_willis> sudo mkdir /media/STUFF
[11:55] <ironhalik> btw, sudo blkid
[11:55] <Dr_willis> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/STUFF
[11:55] <Dr_willis> should mount it.
[11:56] <ironhalik> to list drives by UUID
[11:56] <philinux> ihatewindows: I might have missed something but is this a wubi install
[11:56] <ihatewindows> Dr_willis
[11:56] <ihatewindows> that mounted my pendrive
[11:56] <ihatewindows> :<
[11:56] <ihatewindows> It's a live flash disk
[11:57] <Dr_willis> then you ment to say you have 2 disks.. the pendrive and the internal drive.
[11:57] <ironhalik> you need to specify filesystem when mounting
[11:57] <Dr_willis> if sudo blkid, or sudo fdisk -l, is not showing all the disks. then theres a deeper issue at either the bios level. or a hard drive is failing.
[11:57] <Dr_willis> ironhalik,  not always.
[11:57] <ironhalik> mount.ntfs /dev/sdb1 /dev/somedrive
[11:58] <ironhalik> Dr_willis: it wont hurt ;>
[11:58] <philinux> OldManMagnus: Reboot time LOL
[11:58] <ironhalik> 'The microsoft patch' ;>
[11:58] <philinux> See you on the other side
[11:59] <ihatewindows> so there is nothing to do?
[12:00] <ihatewindows> why do they even ship computers with windows?
[12:00] <ihatewindows> It sucks.
[12:01] <ironhalik> well, you can try and figure it out by yourself
[12:01] <ironhalik> its not windows, you know
[12:01] <ihatewindows> My computer is gone cause of windows
[12:01] <ihatewindows> the HDD won't open because it hasn't been closed properly on windows.
[12:01] <ihatewindows> HHD*
[12:02] <ironhalik> at most, OS could break the filesystem
[12:03] <ironhalik> check if the BIOS sees the drive
[12:03] <ihatewindows> thanks ironhalik
[12:04] <ihatewindows> thanks willi, philinux
[12:04] <brobostigon> any suggestions to my above problem?
[12:04] <ihatewindows> sorry for highlighting though
[12:05]  * philinux is back
[12:06] <philinux> Well whatever oldmanmagnus was seeing I'm not. All  a OK
[12:09] <rcsheets> is there documentation for precise on help.ubuntu.com somewhere?
[12:12] <philinux> rcsheets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Beta2
[12:13] <rcsheets> ok, so nothing like an updated version of https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/installation-guide/amd64/appendix-preseed.html ?
[12:14] <philinux> rcsheets: It's not released yet
[12:14] <rcsheets> well i figured it wasn't released yet, but i assumed there would be a beta of the docs to go along with the beta of the distribution
[12:16] <philinux> rcsheets: Doesnt seem like it
[12:16] <rcsheets> ok, thanks
[12:19] <jbicha> rcsheets: that installation guide doesn't change much
[12:20] <rcsheets> The syslinux config that I was using successfully for lucid isn't working on precise b2, so I was hoping to figure out if there was something new there.
[12:20] <brobostigon> i killed dpkg, and reran dpkg --configure -a, and it seems to be continuing the upgrade.
[12:36] <philinux> rcsheets: How about start a thread here for your syslinux config problem.  http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=412
[12:36] <rcsheets> i'll do a little more investigation and then go do that. thanks.
[12:39] <rcsheets> one thing i noticed is i'm reading docs for a much newer syslinux version than what's being installed on my usb drive by usb-creator
[12:39] <rcsheets> so i'm going to dig into usb-creator a bit to see what it's actually doing
[12:43] <Zoffix> Man, so I finally successfully installed Ubuntu. Turns out my HDD was overheating :/  I'm wanting to like the whol Super+whatever interface, but whenever I use it, it brings up the keyboard shortcuts.. Is it a bug? Is there a way to disable this, while still keeping the shortcuts accessible when holding Super?
[12:43] <Zoffix> i.e. if I press Super+Up Arrow to maximize the window, it does so, but then brings up the shortcuts :/
[12:51] <Zoffix> Heh.. Unity is voted as the most hated environment, and Ubuntu chose to use it by default.... Yup, that's why I dislike  Ubuntu more and more with every new release ~_~ http://sixgun.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4118&p=1
[12:52] <philinux> Zoffix: Logout and choose classic session
[12:53] <Zoffix> I will in about an hour; I have a bunch of software installing. I guess I'm just bored and ranting for no good purpose :) Sorry.
[12:53] <Dr_willis> 'ranting for no purpose' is common on irc  it seems.
[12:55] <philinux> Zoffix: To quote "lies damn lies and stats" lol http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/poll-result-15800-votes-cast-unity-named-most-popular-desktop/
[12:56] <Zoffix> lmao :)
[12:56] <Dr_willis> Unity works.. could be better. could be worse.. same goes for gnome-2 that everyone has hated... untill it was removed...
[12:57] <Dr_willis> im so used to my android phone. i try to do 'android' things on my pc's now.
[12:57] <Onlyodin> gnome 2 S**ts all over gnome 3
[12:57]  * philinux nods in agreement
[12:57] <Zoffix> Well, I'm willing to give it a try. I guess I can disable the shortcuts window and will stop popping up when I don't want it.
[12:58] <ironhalik> wow, whats about all those anti-unity fanboys? :>
[12:58] <ironhalik> theres xfce for you ;>
[12:58] <Dr_willis> gnome2 is/was lacking in a great many ways. Hopefully g3 fix's a lot of the failings.
[12:58] <ironhalik> and cinnamon
[12:58] <Dr_willis> for old-skool desktop - i use lubuntu
[13:02] <ironhalik> for me, the only thing unity is lacking is a shell-like software list
[13:03] <philinux> Zoffix: Yes the switch is under Experimental
[13:03] <ironhalik> something that will let you find your software without knowing the name
[13:03] <jbicha> ironhalik: have you used the Dash's applications lens?
[13:04] <Zoffix> From what I can tell, you go to Dash, press CRTL+TAB and go down installed apps
[13:04] <ironhalik> jbicha: yeah, but youve got all the software at once there
[13:05] <philinux> ironhalik: Do you mean installed apps?
[13:05] <ironhalik> philinux: yeah
[13:05] <ironhalik> somple categories would help
[13:06] <bjsnider> not aware of what "failings" there are in gnome-shell or unity
[13:06] <philinux> ironhalik: Software Centre then click Installed.
[13:06] <ironhalik> philinux: yeah, but software centre is slow
[13:06] <philinux> ironhalik: Not now ;)
[13:06] <Zoffix> philinux: sorry, I'm not following where that "Experimental" is... Where do I go?
[13:06] <ironhalik> still slower then anything 'start menu' like ;>
[13:07] <philinux> Zoffix: CCSM > Desktop > Unity plugin > experimental tab
[13:07] <ironhalik> generally, its just a observation - I prefer typing in my apps, in the dash
[13:07] <ironhalik> but, lets say my mom, wont know she wants 'writer' to write some document
[13:08] <philinux> ironhalik: Type doc in dash
[13:08] <ironhalik> not to mention, she wont know you need to click apps lens, then expand installed apps, then scroll through it looking for stuff
[13:08] <Daekdroom> Hm.. I can't see my mouse cursor. :(
[13:09] <ironhalik> hmm, true
[13:09] <ironhalik> need better example :P
[13:09] <philinux> ironhalik: Gnome 2 was a learning curve for me. Unity is too
[13:09] <ironhalik> philinux: well, yeah - in g2, I hated that I needed to figure out under which category the developer figured out his app should be
[13:10] <ironhalik> not to mention the thin line between setting/preferences and administration :)
[13:10] <philinux> ironhalik: G2 from windows ME was a steep curve
[13:10] <ironhalik> well, the app menu and start menu are similiar ideas
[13:11] <ironhalik> generally, I like Unity ;>
[13:12] <ironhalik> it could be a bit snappier on my lappy though, like gnome-shell
[13:12] <philinux> ironhalik: I was glad to see this for peeps who are not to keen on Unity http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/gnome-classic-in-ubuntu-12-04-its-like-nothing-ever-changed/
[13:12] <ironhalik> but in time, Ill either change my lappy, or Unity will get there :)
[13:13] <jbicha> ironhalik: use the Filter results button in the apps lens to view by category
[13:13] <philinux> jbicha: Ah yes - forgot that. I never seem to need that I just type in dash
[13:13] <ironhalik> jbicha: yeah, its there, its just hidden
[13:13] <ironhalik> at least, hidden from newbies, not intuitive, IMGO
[13:14] <ironhalik> IMHO*
[13:14] <philinux> ironhalik: I think Dash should have the option of Text under the bottom row of icons
[13:14] <ironhalik> regarding classic gnome in 12.04 - that wont change anything, there always will be a vocal minority hating unity ;>
[13:15] <jbicha> design is tricky, what about if browsing by category is now considered an advanced task, and browsing by name or typing in what you want is what you should be doing
[13:15] <ironhalik> jbicha: it kinda is, stats say people stopped using start menu in windows 7, just the search bar
[13:15] <jbicha> that new Keywords field should make search quite a bit better for 12.10
[13:16] <philinux> jbicha: Trick indeed. Hovering over the apps icon in dash could have a text pop up
[13:16] <jbicha> philinux: text tooltip saying what?
[13:16] <ironhalik> philinux: dunno whats the solution, Im just thinking that for my mom, pressing dash, then app lens (or tab), then selecting installing apps, and then filters its way too much to get comfortable with
[13:16] <philinux> jbicha: tooltip like Application or Files etc
[13:16] <ironhalik> but the drag and drop to install feature is great, in unity 5.8
[13:17] <fyrfaktry> Unity rocks!
[13:17] <jbicha> philinux: you can open a bug about that, it depends on what Design wants though
[13:17] <ivap2> can I get the beta 1 ?
[13:17] <Zoffix> Well, after looking around, I think I like Unity :)  I think I was just still pissed from wasting 12 hours trying to install Ubuntu :)
[13:17] <ikonia> ivap2: READ the topic as I've told you twice
[13:17] <philinux> jbicha: It's fine for me I'm thinking first time user. The icons are pretty good though
[13:18] <ivap2> ikonia:  reading
[13:18] <Dr_willis> theres some way to 'convert' a older iso to the newer one.. but i forget how. :)
[13:18] <ikonia> ivap2: you'll get a lot further with things if when people give you info / advice you actually "use it" rather than ignoring it and just re-asking the question
[13:18] <ivap2> ikonia: topic is of two links ..reading L(
[13:18] <Onlyodin> I like the Unity panel, but I hate the launcher/"Dash Home"/Start/whatever it's called today
[13:18] <philinux> Dr_willis: zsync ?
[13:18] <Dr_willis> philinux,  that sounds right. i rarely needed the feature
[13:19] <Dr_willis> Onlyodin,  i normally just add one of the classic-menu indicator applets. :)
[13:19] <Onlyodin> I'd be happy if I could have the unity panel with the old Apps/Places/System menus.
[13:19] <ironhalik> using zsync between b1 and b2 iso will probably and in downloading the whole is again :)
[13:19] <jbicha> I will say that I expected tooltips there, but tooltips are a kind of visual clutter too
[13:19] <Dr_willis> Onlyodin,  it adds those. :)
[13:19] <philinux> ironhalik: I would agree
[13:19] <Dr_willis> bbl
[13:20] <Onlyodin> Oh, as an icon on the right hand side?
[13:21] <Dr_willis> Onlyodin,  theres several. some do that. some add item to top panel
[13:21] <ivap2> ikonia: Thank you , a bit of patience from my side would have been better , got the link :)
[13:21] <Onlyodin> I want the three menus back at the top left.
[13:23] <philinux> Onlyodin: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/use-classic-menu-in-unity-classicmenu.html not sure if it works in 12.04
[13:24] <philinux> Onlyodin: Or log out and choose classic session
[13:26] <Onlyodin> The "ClassicMenu" Indicator isn't what I'm after, but Cardapio might be tolerable. It's a little too suse/kde for my liking though
[13:27] <ironm> hello. May I ask what kind of virtualization has been used on precise server 12.04? (xen, kvm or another one ..). Thank you in advance for any hints.
[13:30] <timbuntu> who is running 12.04 beta 2?
[13:31] <ironhalik> probably most people here
[13:31] <timbuntu> just trying to get an idea of how stable it is before i install it
[13:31] <ironhalik> ironm: Im really not sure, but I think you get KVM by default
[13:32] <Onlyodin> ironm, I'm using KVM on 11.10 and prior, so I would imagine that is still an option.
[13:32] <ironm> thanks a lot ironhalik and Onlyodin
[13:32] <ironhalik> timbuntu: since around beta1, I dont get any software crashesh or bugs on two PCs running precise
[13:32] <ironhalik> timbuntu: but your mileage may vary
[13:33] <ironhalik> by bugs I mean any rather critical stuff
[13:33] <timbuntu> thanks for the info! i want to install it but i can wait if its still got problems
[13:33] <ironm> Onlyodin, have you checked I/O-Performance (kvm) compare to flat installation?
[13:34] <ironhalik> timbuntu: I would go ahead, but as always, there are no promises with prerelease software
[13:34] <Onlyodin> timbuntu, I upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04 Beta 2, had an issue with unity immediately, but since then it's been pretty stable
[13:34] <ironm> ironhalik, I read something, that ubuntu want to support xen again .. I am not sure if it has happened already in 12.04
[13:34] <ironhalik> timbuntu: IMHO, currently its in better condition then 11.10 was at release
[13:34] <trippeh> timbuntu: I'm using 12.04 i production (servers)... since alpha something. But on the desktop I've had quite a few stability issues on anything up unitl the last beta.
[13:35] <Onlyodin> ironm, not really. I only use KVM guests for mundane dev tasks, usually non-interactive
[13:35] <ironhalik> ironm: you could look at this: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1204_virt&num=1
[13:35] <ironm> thanks a lot Onlyodin  and ironhalik  :)
[13:36] <timbuntu> im so torn on what to do and i have no patients waiting for the release
[13:36] <trippeh> timbuntu: But its been ok to me on the desktop for a couple of weeks now.
[13:51] <Zoffix> Ha! This one last reinstall was an awesome idea (I decided --intall-sugested  option in apt-get was a bad idea). Trying to get proper resolution on last install, I reconnected the monitor cable from DVI to VGA port, and now Ubuntu automatically configured my favorite resolution :)
[13:52] <graingert> anyone with nvidia?
[13:52] <Zoffix> graingert, the video card? Me
[13:52] <philinux> o/
[13:52] <graingert> and nvidia drivers?
[13:52] <Zoffix> Yup
[13:52] <graingert> not nouveau
[13:52] <philinux> o/
[13:52] <graingert> do your ttys work?
[13:52] <philinux> yep
[13:53] <philinux> 8600GT
[13:53] <graingert> 8800GTS
[13:53] <Zoffix> graingert, yup. Installed 3 minutes ago, and just tried. Works fine.
[13:53] <ironhalik> Im on 8600GT, but the nvidia drivers are crappy for me
[13:53]  * Zoffix has no idea what he got.
[13:53] <graingert> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-common/+bug/958891
[13:53] <graingert> meh
[13:53] <ironhalik> philinux: the boot splash works for you?
[13:54] <philinux> Yep plymouth shows up just fine. Only 4 secs of black screen just before login
[13:54] <graingert> yes and plymouth is broken
[13:54] <ironhalik> ah, for me its broken for some reason
[13:55] <graingert> ironhalik: how about ttys?
[13:55] <ironhalik> they work for me, but im on nouveau
[13:55] <philinux> graingert: I just tested tty2 and then back to 7 just fine
[13:55] <graingert> ironhalik: ah
[13:56] <philinux> apt-cache policy nvidia-current
[13:56] <philinux> nvidia-current:
[13:56] <philinux>   Installed: 295.33-0ubuntu1
[13:56] <ironhalik> tried nvidia binaries, had some strange issues with 3d - quake live showed 125fps, yet it was visibly stuttering
[13:57] <philinux> Are these vanilla install?
[13:57] <philinux> I did a clean beta 1 install
[14:03] <graingert> not sure what you mean by vanilla
[14:03] <philinux> graingert: Clean install no tweaks
[14:03] <philinux> Stock ubuntu
[14:03] <graingert> yes well that's what I have
[14:03] <graingert> apart from gnome-shell
[14:03] <graingert> but nothing not from the std repos
[14:04] <philinux> graingert: Maybe shell settings interactin somehow dunno
[14:04] <philinux> graingert: Is this problem when using unity gnome shell or both
[14:06] <ironhalik> philinux: youre on the latest nvidia drivers, from nvidias site?
[14:06] <philinux> ironhalik: I just installed with the tick box yes to the extras
[14:07] <philinux> nvidia-current: 295.33-0ubuntu1
[14:07] <ironhalik> ah, so via ubuntu
[14:08] <philinux> ironhalik: Yes
[14:08] <ironhalik> do you have any problems with Xorg or compiz using a lot of cpu?
[14:08] <philinux> ironhalik: I got conky running and at the mo compiz is 1.76 % cpu
[14:09] <philinux> Both cores at 4%
[14:09] <ironhalik> hmm, so pretty much the same as me
[14:09] <ironhalik> Ill need to check out the drivers I guess
[14:09] <philinux> ironhalik: Nothing out of the ordinary here. Pretty boring for a beta lol
[14:10] <philinux> Too stable
[14:10] <philinux> ironhalik: Memeory is up though. Firefox Xchat and a terminal and I'm using 1.09 gig according to conky
[14:11] <philinux> Temps are good 44, 35 and 49 for nvidia
[14:11] <ironhalik> I had some nasty issues with binaries in 11.10
[14:11] <philinux> y
[14:12] <ironhalik> caused lots of cpu usage
[14:12] <philinux> Ah ok, Conky almost identical in 11.10 for me
[14:12] <ironhalik> yeah, so it probably is something more then my GF
[14:13] <rymate1234> conky?
[14:13] <Xabster2> Hi, if I do the upgrade will my installed applications still be there? will I lose gnome and get unity back?
[14:13] <philinux> rymate1234: http://conky.sourceforge.net/
[14:14] <philinux> Xabster2: What version are u running now
[14:14] <philinux> rymate1234: conky is in the repo
[14:14] <Xabster2> 11.10, philinux
[14:14] <philinux> Xabster2: Is this your main machine
[14:14] <Xabster2> yes
[14:15] <Xabster2> my own desktop
[14:15] <philinux> Xabster2: Then wait till end of april
[14:15] <Xabster2> please answer my question
[14:15] <rymate1234> its a beta
[14:15] <philinux> Xabster2: What desktop are you running now unity?
[14:16] <Xabster2> i told you
[14:16] <philinux> Xabster2: No. Are you running gnome classic
[14:16] <Xabster2> yes
[14:16] <philinux> Xabster2: Hang on
[14:17] <philinux> Xabster2: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/gnome-classic-in-ubuntu-12-04-its-like-nothing-ever-changed/
[14:17] <Xabster2> so it's a yes then?
[14:18] <philinux> Xabster2: Upgrading will kepp your installed apps. But the process takes an absolute age. Me I prefer a clean install everytime.
[14:18] <Xabster2> okay I see
[14:18] <ironhalik> also, you may loose some configs
[14:18] <philinux> Xabster2: Are you willing to risk it for your main machine. Make sure you got pproper backups
[14:19] <Xabster2> okay, i'm asking because this is my first install of ubuntu and i installed shitloads of different things and now i got a bloated machine that i don't know how to fix
[14:19] <philinux> Xabster2: Then wait till 26th April. Backup your stuff and do a clean install
[14:19] <Xabster2> no, i need to fix my pc now
[14:19] <philinux> Then no bloat
[14:20] <philinux> Ah ok. Have you got backups
[14:20] <rymate1234> this is why I always seperate my /home onto a different partition
[14:21] <philinux> rymate1234: That can cause problems too if unity and compiz got conflicting settings
[14:21] <rymate1234> orly
[14:22] <philinux> rymate1234: Easy to fix by deleting the .hidden config folders
[14:22] <rymate1234> i know :P
[14:23] <Zoffix> Man. Is it just my colourblindness, or did someone decide to display Create New Folder and Create New Document context menu items the exact same way as greyed-out items?
[14:23] <bazhang> Xabster2, what version of ubuntu are you on
[14:23] <Xabster2> 11.10
[14:24] <philinux> Zoffix: Theres a bug but they say thats the way its supposed to be. Right click on desktop is blinding
[14:24] <bazhang> Xabster2, then dont post in this channel
[14:24] <Xabster2> Did you read my question ?
[14:24] <philinux> bazhang: He wants to upgrade
[14:24] <philinux> or clean install not sure yet
[14:24] <Xabster2> bazhang is totally on a rage spree
[14:24] <Xabster2> better leave him alone
[14:24] <bazhang> Xabster2, then dont crosspost in #ubuntu
[14:24] <Xabster2> it was not
[14:24] <Xabster2> did you even read my questions?
[14:24] <Xabster2> or are you just in a bad mood?
[14:25] <rymate1234> I have a problem with gnome-fallback
[14:25] <philinux> Xabster2: Backup your stuff and do a clean install beta 2.
[14:25] <rymate1234> alt+right click on the panels does nothing
[14:25] <philinux> Xabster2: But be prepared for breakage
[14:26] <Xabster2> philinux, I will wait for the release and do a reinstall of 11.10
[14:26] <philinux> Xabster2: You can reinstall 11.10 now whats to wait for
[14:26] <Xabster2> nothing, i'm not waiting
[14:26] <Xabster2> you stopped me from getting up and getting the cd
[14:27] <Xabster2> dvd*
[14:27] <philinux> Xabster2: Why wait for 12.04 release but then install 11.10
[14:27] <Xabster2> because my system is b0rked
[14:27] <rymate1234> oops
[14:28] <philinux> Xabster2: You lost me now good luck
[14:28] <Xabster2> lost you? i have a pc that does not work properly - i was wondering if upgrading to 12.04 would restore all my settings and installed programs in the process
[14:29] <philinux> Xabster2: Right if it's bloated and borked now it will be the same after upgrade or worse
[14:29] <Xabster2> understood
[14:29] <robin0800> rymate1234: try meta + alt + right click
[14:29] <rymate1234> worse
[14:29] <philinux> Only a clean install will sort it
[14:29] <rymate1234> robin0800, "metaW
[14:29] <rymate1234> what is the meta key
[14:29] <edgy> Hi, how can I upload an image in a pastebin-like site?
[14:29] <ikonia> edgy: open an image bin site, and upload the photo
[14:29] <robin0800> rymate1234: the windows one
[14:30] <bazhang> edgy, imagebin
[14:30] <rymate1234> so super
[14:30] <edgy> ikonia: I want a site name?
[14:30] <ikonia> edgy: then ask for a site name, image shack, imagebin, etc, google search shows many
[14:31] <robin0800> rymate1234: this is needed if compiz is running
[14:31] <rymate1234> meta+alt+right click doesn't work either
[14:31] <rymate1234> :(
[14:32] <edgy> Ok after today's update I got a mess. Take a look http://imagebin.org/206146
[14:33] <edgy> can you see a youtube-like picture in the image I pasted?
[14:33] <robin0800> rymate1234: try gnome-panel in a terminal
[14:34] <rymate1234> Cannot register the panel shell: there is already one running.
[14:35] <robin0800> rymate1234: log out and back in?
[14:35] <rymate1234> robin0800, just done that
[14:35]  * rymate1234 <3's his znc
[14:35] <edgy> any help?
[14:36] <ironhalik> ah, as always, playing around with nvidia drivers ends in tears ;>
[14:37] <rymate1234> lol
[14:37] <philinux> edgy: Did you try what it says
[14:37] <edgy> ironhalik: I haven't played with nvidia. It's an ubuntu precise update.
[14:38] <edgy> philinux: try what?
[14:38] <ironhalik> edgy: I was thinking about myself actually :P
[14:38] <philinux> it says run sudo apt-get install -f
[14:39] <philinux> It might not work but worth a shot
[14:39] <edgy> philinux: yes I tried but it didn't work but that was not my main problem
[14:39] <edgy> philinux: can't you see any other problem?
[14:39] <edgy> philinux: something like a video/image in the background of the console?
[14:40] <philinux> edgy: You mean that tiny bottom blurry line starting Shell
[14:41] <philinux> I was looking at the text
[14:43] <edgy> philinux: it seems my problem is so serious I can see things that you can't see. may be nvidia has corrupted part of my screen and put a big image on the background that contains strange text like "m/M Control the motor"
[14:44] <philinux> edgy: i can only see whats here http://imagebin.org/206146
[14:47] <edgy> philinux: still I can see strange things in your paste but I guess this is because the problem is my monitor. so Youc can see a hand of a man grabbing something?
[14:48] <rymate1234> O_o
[14:48] <rymate1234> >ubuntu installs flash
[14:48] <philinux> edgy: I'll screen shot what I see
[14:48] <rymate1234> >does not install java
[14:49] <Dr_willis> rymate1234,  see the Oracle license..
[14:49] <Dr_willis> or just use the gpl java
[14:49] <edgy> philinux: it's useless to screenshot it because if the problem is on my monitor only, I would still see it
[14:51] <edgy> philinux: I would find another pc to check form ...
[14:51] <philinux> edgy: No harm trying . http://imagebin.org/206153
[14:54]  * rymate1234 wishes windows 8 wasn't so shit
[14:55] <glosoli> rymate1234: why
[14:56] <edgy> philinux: there is an image of a hand grabbing something in the background and when I scroll the page down, it's fixed in place!
[14:57] <philinux> edgy: spooky . It's not april 1st yet either
[14:58] <edgy> philinux: no, no I am serious, i would get mad. I can't even describe the problem in a better way, can I pay you for a flight to come and see it? ;)
[14:59] <philinux> edgy: Taka pic with a phone or cam and post it
[14:59] <rymate1234> lol
[14:59] <edgy> philinux: good point
[14:59] <rymate1234> not sure if trolling
[14:59] <rymate1234> or just stupid
[15:00] <Dr_willis> place the monitor on a photocopy machine.......
[15:00] <philinux> rymate1234: If he's in NZ it is April 1st LOL
[15:00] <Dr_willis> then fax it to  us...
[15:00] <philinux> LOL
[15:00] <rymate1234> lol
[15:00]  * philinux split his TEA
[15:01] <agoodm> im currently still trying to figure out the best way to access my files stored on the network from ubuntu 12.04 on this laptop :-/
[15:03] <glosoli> Anything is in common with something like HP TouchSmart 520-1100 or any other similar device ?
[15:03] <glosoli> Anyone"
[15:04] <edgy> philinux: here you are http://imagebin.org/206157
[15:05] <philinux> edgy: That a bit of graphics ghosting from a flash vid
[15:07] <philinux> edgy: logout or reboot
[15:09] <edgy> ok I will reboot and come back ...
[15:13] <edgy> philinux: I rebooted and still same problem
[15:14] <philinux> edgy: No idea whats going on then.
[15:14] <edgy> philinux: ok I will try to ask in #nvidia
[15:15] <edgy> philinux: and what about the libreoffice error i am getting?
[15:15] <philinux> edgy: I would just keep updating as normal
[15:15] <philinux> Clean install might help
[15:16] <edgy> philinux: ok
[15:26]  * philinux just reclaimed 2 gig by removing old kernels
[15:26] <glosoli> philinux: how to remove old kernels ?
[15:26] <mikeconcepts> wish there was a way to have zero pressure in order to unhide unity
[15:26] <ratcheer> I always delete all of them older than current-1
[15:27] <philinux> glosoli: step 5 > dry run first then for real. http://tuxtweaks.com/2010/10/remove-old-kernels-in-ubuntu-with-one-command/
[15:27] <philinux> glosoli: Since 3.2.0-21 is running fine I let it delete all the rest
[15:28] <philinux> glosoli: Or you can use synaptic and be selective.
[15:39] <papasmurf> Hi
[15:39] <bazhang> !schedule | papasmurf
[15:39] <bazhang> !info linux | papasmurf
[15:40] <papasmurf> bazhang, thanks  :)
[15:43] <ironhalik> hyh, my desktop pc hostname is papasmurf
[15:43] <ironhalik> got confused ;>
[15:47] <papasmurf> i would like to upgrade to Kernel 3.2 because my laptop is suffering with 3.0
[15:48] <papasmurf> any suggestions thanks?
[15:48] <bazhang> papasmurf, you saw the linux info
[15:48] <philinux> papasmurf: 12.04 is running 3.2
[15:48] <papasmurf> i see
[15:49] <philinux> 3.2.0-21 to be precise lol
[15:49] <papasmurf> but i'm in Oneiric still
[15:49] <philinux> papasmurf: Wrong IRC channel then
[15:49] <bazhang> philinux, he's planning an upgrade, he's fine here
[15:50] <philinux> Ok
[15:50] <bazhang> papasmurf, this is completely the correct channel for discussion of 12.04
[15:50] <philinux> bazhang: I prefer a clean install myself
[15:51] <papasmurf> philinux, i would like to switch to 12.04 LTS in a future
[15:51] <philinux> papasmurf: I see. Are you waiting for release or want to try the beta2
[15:53] <papasmurf> hmm... i think i will wait till the Kernel freeze completely
[15:54] <philinux> papasmurf: Thats April 25th then
[15:57] <philinux> papasmurf: You could use a ppa to get 3.2 in 11.10. Bit of a risk though
[15:57] <papasmurf> philinux, yes i know
[15:57] <papasmurf> philinux, i would prefer an entire upgrade instead
[15:58] <papasmurf> i will think about it
[15:58] <philinux> papasmurf: Are you planning upgrade or clean install
[15:58] <papasmurf> i haven't decide yet
[15:59] <philinux> papasmurf:  last week I upgrade my laptop acer 1410 from 11.10 to 12.04. It took 2 hours and then it was borked.
[15:59] <philinux> I have home on it's own partitoin so I did a clean install which took about 40 mins. Works a treat now
[16:00] <papasmurf> philinux,  thanks, that's what i want to hear certainly
[16:01] <philinux> papasmurf: Essential backups of course need to be made.
[16:01] <papasmurf> i will create a separate partition
[16:01] <papasmurf> anyway i would like to upgrade my 11.10 system someday, i hope it will be possible after the final release
[16:02] <philinux> papasmurf: not too far off now ;)
[16:03] <papasmurf> philinux, bazhang  thanks for your help
[16:03] <papasmurf> bye
[16:04] <philinux> bazhang: does he pop in for a chat now and then?
[16:05] <bazhang> philinux, this was his first time to be aware of this channel
[16:06] <philinux> bazhang: ok I see, you must have been chatting with him in #ubuntu I guess
[16:07] <bazhang> philinux, in #xubuntu , and he wanted to know the schedule of 12.04
[16:07] <philinux> bazhang: Makes sense now
[16:15]  * Zoffix Unity was too uncomfortable to use. Back to classic Gnome with no effects.
[16:21] <Zoffix> Hm... How do I add an extra panel now? I want a third one on the right side of the screen... I righ-click on existing panels but nothing happens. Also, how do I add applets? Just read a post that said to Alt+Right Click but nothing happens :/
[16:22] <T81W-Thomas> Hello everybody!
[16:22] <Zoffix> hi
[16:22] <T81W-Thomas> i just got sent here by a guy names glosoli.
[16:22] <T81W-Thomas> he said you guys might be able to help me get my touchscreen working
[16:24] <T81W-Thomas> I am running ubuntu 12.04
[16:24] <T81W-Thomas> on a HP TouchSmart 520-1000
[16:25] <Zoffix> T81W-Thomas, I know nothing on the subject, but I am sure you'll have much higher chances of getting an answer, if you just cut to the chase and describe what the problem is....
[16:25] <glosoli> TouchScreen doesn't work for him
[16:25] <Daekdroom> Zoffix, if you are using compiz, try Super + Alt + Right Click
[16:26] <Daekdroom> Alt + Click does something else for compiz, so Super is necessary to avoid the same shortcut for different things.
[16:26] <Zoffix> Daekdroom, I thought I had no effects, but regardless that worked for me. Thanks! :)
[16:27] <stefanivarsson> You all got a funny shadow on first letter in every dialog?
[16:28] <Daekdroom> You mean the title bar?
[16:28] <Zoffix> stefanivarsson, not me.
[16:28] <Daekdroom> Me neither.
[16:28] <stefanivarsson> Titlebar Unity every where
[16:28] <stefanivarsson> Not a major thin but it looks a bit funny
[16:29] <Daekdroom> I remember a bug report about that.
[16:29] <stefanivarsson> Thanks
[16:29] <Daekdroom> A fglrx issue iirc
[16:29] <stefanivarsson> Thanks Daekdroom
[16:29] <Daekdroom> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/930515
[16:30] <stefanivarsson> Exactly what I got
[16:38] <spaceneedle> I've noticed that when you  change the color of the launcher to black --using myunity--the color ISN'T black but grey.
[16:38] <ironm> !xen
[16:38] <ironm> !kvm
[17:19] <glosoli>  Anyone knows if Mozilla announced anything officially in response for Flash Linux future in Firefox ?
[17:29] <ironhalik> I for one, welcome our HTML5 overlords.
[17:30] <ironhalik> But I dont welcome crappy youtube html5 player
[17:31] <Zoffix> This sucks. When I open up a new window, it doesn't get focus. (I'm on Gnome Classic with openbox). I even set openbox to focus the windows; the title bar flashes, but the keyboard focus is still not there... .Anyone tips?
[17:31]  * Zoffix rather HTML5 never came in
[17:32] <glosoli> ironhalik: it's crappy in Chrome :)
[17:32] <glosoli> ironhalik: meanwhile in Firefox it works properly for me :) that's a bit odd
[17:32] <ironhalik> Oh hell, I need to see it to believe it ;>
[17:33] <tidux> I keep reading about "push to hide" or "mouse to hide" launcher behavior in 12.04 beta 2
[17:33] <tidux> but neither seems to work
[17:33] <tidux> I move the mouse to the top-left corner, nothing happens
[17:33] <glosoli> ironhalik: well using Firefox 13 Aurora, what problems do you get with HTML5 YouTube, say and I will test
[17:33] <tidux> I move the mouse to the left edge of the screen, nothing happens
[17:34] <tidux> I can't find a way to "minimize" the launcher
[17:34] <tidux> and there's no documentation about it
[17:34] <tidux> what the fuck?
[17:34] <drc> tidux: System Settings>Appearence>Behavior
[17:34] <ironhalik> glosoli: general stuff, low framerate in fullscreen, video size not the same as player size after resizing the polayer etc
[17:34] <tidux> drc: yeah, I've done that
[17:34] <glosoli> ironhalik: hmm how to check framerate ?
[17:34] <tidux> none of those settings behaved as advertised
[17:34] <ironhalik> glosoli: low framerate as in choppy hd video :)
[17:35] <drc> tidux: Workd For Me (tm)
[17:35] <tidux> alright, well I keep seeing this buzzword "push to hide"
[17:35] <tidux> but it never says what or where to push
[17:35] <tidux> ಠ_ಠ
[17:36] <glosoli> ironhalik: 1080p HD works fine here FF13 Aurora http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dunGhkCmYKM&ob=av2n
[17:36] <ironhalik> tidux: its push to show :)
[17:36] <tidux> push what?
[17:36] <ironhalik> tidux: when you enable autohide for the launcher, it will reveal after you move the pointer agains the side of the screen
[17:36] <ironhalik> with certain 'force'
[17:36] <tidux> oh
[17:37] <tidux> yeah, that's broken
[17:37] <ironhalik> its much better then the previous behavior
[17:37] <glosoli> ironhalik: the problem might be that Chrome for example for my video card, won't load WebGL unless I override it but then HTML5 videos are long gone for me :)
[17:37] <ironhalik> dunno, works for me - maybe you should file a bug
[17:37] <glosoli> !bug | tidux
[17:37] <ironhalik> glosoli: WebGL wont work for me on nouveau :P
[17:38] <glosoli> ironhalik: even in FF ?
[17:38] <tidux> hmm
[17:38] <tidux> I think the problem might just be qemu drivers
[17:38] <tidux> because all kinds of behavior was glitchy as hell in that VM
[17:38] <tidux> not at all what I'd expect from an LTS beta
[17:38] <ironhalik> dunno, I need to check it
[17:39] <Zoffix> Man, of all the bugs... System's now unusable really :|
[17:39]  * Zoffix ponders reinstalling 10.10 or something that actually works.
[17:39] <glosoli> ironhalik: try searching in google: sqrt(x*x+y*y)+3*cos(sqrt(x*x+y*y))+5 from -20 to 20
[17:40] <glosoli> ironhalik: if web gl doesn't work it will say
[17:40] <Zoffix> glosoli, wow. That's awesome :) I didn't know google could do that :)
[17:40] <tidux> hah, wow
[17:40] <tidux> definitely VM drivers
[17:40] <tidux> I tried running with the -vga vmware parameter in KVM
[17:40] <glosoli> Zoffix: it can if you have WebGL support in your browser  for your card
[17:40] <tidux> it segfaulted
[17:40] <glosoli> Zoffix: cool huh ;D
[17:40] <penguin42> has anyone had webgl work on Ubuntu?
[17:40] <ironhalik> glosoli: yup, no webgl
[17:40] <Zoffix> glosoli, totally :)
[17:40] <glosoli> ironhalik: even in FF ?
[17:41]  * penguin42 has never seen it work
[17:41] <ironhalik> glosoli: oups, sorry, it works in FF
[17:41] <glosoli> ironhalik: as I said... YouTube works better in Firefox than Google Chrome, that's a bit odd :D
[17:42] <ironhalik> yeah, kinda funny
[17:42] <glosoli> ironhalik: wana see something really funny ? :D
[17:42] <ironhalik> sure ;>
[17:43] <glosoli> ironhalik: see pm :D
[17:43] <tidux> ok, yeah
[17:43] <tidux> Ubuntu managed to segfault KVM
[17:43] <tidux> that's not cool
[17:43] <Zoffix> glosoli, I wanna see too
[17:43] <tidux> I can't use ubuntu-bug to report it because it's not stable enough
[17:43] <tidux> to make it through the bug-reporting process
[17:44] <glosoli> tidux: have you got all the latest updates ?
[17:44] <tidux> it SEGFAULTED AT BOOT
[17:44] <tidux> I had no time to get updates
[17:44] <tidux> I'll try again with plain qemu
[17:44] <tidux> see if it's doing anything wacky with CPU access that would mess up a hypervisor like KVM
[17:45] <penguin42> tidux: Sorry, is this Ubuntu running in the KVM guest segfaulted the KVM on the host?
[17:46] <arbir> which version of php and apache would come with 12.04 ?
[17:46] <tidux> penguin42: yes
[17:46] <glosoli> ironhalik: in between have you tried "Override software rendering list" in GChrome ?
[17:46] <penguin42> tidux: What ever the guest does that's a bug in the KVM on the host - in principal the guest could be completely evil and that should never happen
[17:46] <penguin42> tidux: What's the host running?
[17:47] <tidux> Debian
[17:47] <tidux> not sure if it's wheezy or sid
[17:47] <penguin42> tidux: Then report the bug against debian; it's kvm/qemu is broken
[17:47]  * tidux checks sources.list
[17:47] <tidux> oh, yeah
[17:47] <ironm> hello. I have installed the "virtual host" option (tasksel) using ubuntu 12.04. What utility should be used to create VMs? virt-install has *not* been installed onto the disk ...
[17:47] <tidux> it's sid
[17:47] <tidux> sorry for impugning you guys
[17:47] <penguin42> tidux: Oh well, sid .....
[17:47] <trism> glosoli: it works here in chromium with that setting, but only if webgl is disabled in chrome://flags and --enable-webgl is passed on the command line (netbook with intel), it works without the override on my nvidia desktop
[17:48] <glosoli> trism: ok but then try to watch some youtube html5 video in full screen :))
[17:48] <tidux> penguin42: yeah, I'm getting a little sick of it, and Squeeze is way too old
[17:48] <tidux> which is why I was trying the beta in the first place :P
[17:48] <penguin42> tidux: Still, worth reporting to them - it's a pretty bad bug
[17:48] <trism> glosoli: although by works, I mean I can view the 3d teapot so not extensively tested
[17:49] <tidux> penguin42: alas, `reportbug` isn't working for me
[17:49] <tidux> MTA problems
[17:49] <glosoli> trism: overriding software rendering list fixes for me everything, but kills youtube or any other video hosting site html5 video players,  Full Screen mode will become unusable
[17:49] <penguin42> tidux: I thought you could just mail debian a suitably formatted bug
[17:49] <trism> glosoli: I'll give it a shot and see
[17:50] <tidux> penguin42: true
[17:53] <Zoffix> !bug | Zoffix
[17:54] <glosoli> trism: any feedback ?
[17:55] <trism> glosoli: looks fine to me, youtube html5 at fullscreen, not sure what I am looking for
[17:55] <Zoffix> I'm noticing everyone uses "an Ubuntu" instead of "a Ubuntu"... I always thought it was called "u-boo-n-too" or "u-buh-n-too", but I'm guessing now, it's pronounced "oo-boo-n-too"?
[17:55] <glosoli> trism: hmm then probably only ATI problem :)
[17:56] <trism> glosoli: possibly, I'll try my nvidia desktop and see what that is like
[17:56] <trism> glosoli: I don't have any ati to test unfortunately
[17:56] <glosoli> trism: you are now on intel ?
[17:56] <glosoli> trism: ok then test on nVidia proprietary if you have one
[17:58] <nabukadnezar43> hello, any bumblebee users here? or nvidia optimus users?
[18:06] <roasted> hello
[18:06] <roasted> ya know, HUD is almost useless when the window that comes up isnt even set to be primary
[18:06] <roasted> let me utilize keyboard shortcuts to speed up menus yet click to make it primary window anyway
[18:23] <ironhalik> hmm, in jockey, why is current driver recommended over current-updates?
[18:25] <bjsnider> that's determined by a numbered system
[18:26] <ironhalik> well, yeah, but shouldnt the recommended one be the one with ubuntu-specific patches?
[18:26] <roasted> i like how m keboard decides o sop working mid use
[18:26] <roasted> lol isn his nice
[18:26] <roasted> rebooing again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:27] <bjsnider> nvidia-current has a priority number of 9700. the -updates version must be lower than that in this case
[18:27] <ironhalik> still, its illogical :)
[18:28] <bjsnider> you axed, i answered
[18:29] <ironhalik> sure :) Good to know
[18:29] <bjsnider> just because it's recommended doesn't mean you have to use it
[18:30] <ironhalik> yeah, checking out all the alternatives
[18:30] <ironhalik> for me, main issue with binary drivers is the cpu usage
[18:45] <tidux> alright, so I'm on the 12.04 beta 2 live CD on bare metal no
[18:45] <tidux> *now
[18:46] <tidux> turns out my lack of "push" bug was related to qemu's mouse handling and not Ubuntu
[18:47] <penguin42> tidux: It's normally best to tell qemu to emulate a usb-tablet I think rather (or and?) a mouse
[18:47] <tidux> I've never had that issue
[18:47] <tidux> on any other guest OS
[18:48] <tidux> from Windows 3.1 to Haiku
[18:48] <tidux> of course, none of them tried to do "seamless mode" mouse anyway
[18:52] <Scrimmer> Äîáðîãî âðåìåíè
[18:52] <Scrimmer> Ðåáÿò, òðàáëà. Ïîñòàâèë 12.04. Çàâèñàåò çâóê.
[18:52] <Scrimmer> Hello all.
[18:53] <Scrimmer> I install Ubuntu 12.04, i have a problem with sound. Please help :)
[18:53] <tidux> what soundcard do you have?
[18:54] <Scrimmer> Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[18:54] <penguin42> Scrimmer: What type of problem? Sound in or sound out?
[18:57] <Scrimmer> sound out.
[18:57] <penguin42> do you get any sound at all ?
[18:57] <Scrimmer> the sound of wheezing
[18:57] <penguin42> oh erm
[18:58] <penguin42> Scrimmer: and you've tried multiple progragrammes and they all give that?
[18:59] <Scrimmer> yup
[18:59] <Scrimmer> all programms and web-browser audio
[18:59] <Scrimmer> and ubuntu system sounds
[19:00] <penguin42> ok
[19:00] <penguin42> Scrimmer: Does the sound work under other versions of Linux (or Windows or anything?)
[19:01] <Scrimmer> ubuntu 11.10 - normal sound and Windows 7/8 too
[19:01] <Scrimmer> this problem has been on Windows 7
[19:02] <penguin42>  'has been'  - sorry I don't understand what you mean?
[19:02] <Scrimmer> was*
[19:02] <penguin42> hmm ok
[19:03] <penguin42> Scrimmer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[19:03] <Scrimmer> when I not installed drivers for the sound
[19:03] <penguin42> Scrimmer: Can you use pastebin to show us the output of     pactl info ?
[19:05] <Scrimmer> pactl?
[19:06] <penguin42> Scrimmer: Yeh, if you open a terminal and type    pactl info   it'll give you some info about the sound system (pulseaudio level)
[19:07] <Scrimmer> one second
[19:14] <ozpy> Hello. I run Ubuntu 12.04. is the "INSTALL RELEASE" buttom the one we need to click on the day the stable version comes?
[19:16] <yofel> ozpy: you mean to upgrade to the final version?
[19:17] <Scrimmer> hello
[19:17] <yofel> !final | ozpy
[19:17] <ozpy> yofel: I don't know what that icon is for... Do you have any idea?
[19:18] <yofel> nope, sorry
[19:18] <penguin42> Scrimmer: please use paste.ubuntu.com rather than pasting to people!
[19:18] <Scrimmer> sorry, http://paste.ubuntu.com/909175/
[19:19] <penguin42> Scrimmer: Thanks; now, the good news is that it's found your hardware
[19:19] <penguin42> Scrimmer: I note the default sink is set to ....'analog-surround-51' is the hardware really got 5.1 sound outputs ?
[19:21] <Scrimmer> yup. But, if i setting 2.0 output, problem not lost
[19:22] <penguin42> Scrimmer: Hmm ok, then better try following the tips on that debugging page I pasted earlier
[19:23] <Scrimmer> pls, give me url again
[19:24] <penguin42> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[19:25] <penguin42> Scrimmer: But, if it worked on 11.10 and doesn't on 12.04 please report a bug either way - regressions are bad!
[19:26] <Scrimmer> where to reported?
[19:26] <penguin42> Scrimmer: That page tells you to run in a terminal   ubuntu-bug audio
[19:27] <penguin42> Scrimmer: You'll need a launchpad account so people can ask you questions and get you to try fixes
[19:30] <Scrimmer> oh
[19:30] <Scrimmer> thank's you
[19:36] <mykrobinson> afternoon..
[19:36] <mykrobinson> when using the dash, music lens, if i type in the name of an album, the proper results are displayed but without the album art. Any ideas?
[19:41] <astraljava> So umm... do-release-upgrade -d doesn't work anymore?
[19:41] <mateobur___> I'm trying to install 12.04
[19:42] <mateobur___> but the system is stuck in "removing conflicting files..."
[19:42] <mateobur___> any clues?
[19:42] <penguin42> astraljava: What happens?
[19:43] <astraljava> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[19:43] <astraljava> E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be
[19:43] <astraljava> caused by held packages.
[19:44] <astraljava> I disabled all 3rd party repositories.
[19:44] <bjsnider> do a dist-upgrade
[19:44] <bjsnider> and -f install
[19:44] <mateobur___> anyone knows how to unblock this_
[19:44] <Daekdroom> You disabled them?
[19:44] <Daekdroom> Did you revert any packages?
[19:44] <astraljava> Daekdroom: I did not.
[19:45] <Daekdroom> do-release-upgrade itself would revert it once it disabled the 3rd party repos, I think.
[19:45] <astraljava> Daekdroom: Yeah. I tried first as-is, but since it didn't work, I disabled them all in hopes of getting further. No go.
[19:46] <astraljava> Daekdroom: The sad thing about it, is that I find no explanation to why this happens.
[19:49] <bjsnider> astraljava, what happens if you try apt-get dist-upgrade?
[19:49] <astraljava> bjsnider: I was just about to say that I'll try that, as I won't have this machine for longer than few days anymore anyway. :)
[19:50] <astraljava> bjsnider: Oh, you meant right after running do-release-upgrade -d ?
[19:50] <bjsnider> right now
[19:50] <karen> can I get help with 12?
[19:50] <astraljava> bjsnider: Nothing happens. No breakage in packages.
[19:51] <penguin42> karen: Explain what the problem is
[19:51] <karen> Any ideals on how to get my microphone to work? I tried all jacks (only two)
[19:51] <karen> sound works fine
[19:52] <bjsnider> astraljava, try ppa-purging your disabled ppas
[19:52] <astraljava> bjsnider: Yeah, good idea, thanks!
[19:55] <karen> ok let me try this, is there any special software I need to install? I'm using a compaq evo D series (old computer I know)
[19:56] <karen> hmmm I guess no body knows, thanks anyway.
[19:57] <Zoffix> karen, are you trying to hear it from the speakers, or are you recording into something?
[19:57] <penguin42> karen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems might be a start
[19:57] <karen> skype
[19:57] <Zoffix> Ah.
[19:57]  * Zoffix shrugs
[19:58] <penguin42> karen: It might be best to try with something other than skype first - it can be a bit odd
[19:58] <karen> I need to make a phone call and this is the only computer I have at the time for the windows failed on it.
[19:58] <karen> like what?
[19:58] <bjsnider> troubleshoot that as a skype issue rather than a mic issue
[19:58] <_r00t_> g'day... How can I tell if I'm running the very latest 12.04 beta ?
[19:59] <guntbert> _r00t_: and don't irc as root
[19:59] <Zoffix> _r00t_, I'm guessing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:59] <penguin42> karen: Not sure, maybe gnome sound recorder or something similar
[19:59] <_r00t_> Zoffix, is there anyway to tell other than that ?
[20:00] <Zoffix> _r00t_, um... What kind of info are you looking in particular?
[20:00] <karen> ok, that's what I was asking if there was something else I can download, for I don't know about this system. I use to use ubuntu 10.10 and it was a lot better.
[20:00] <_r00t_> guntbert, there's absiolutely no issue IRCing as root. Especially if you're using windows ;)
[20:00] <Zoffix> lol
[20:01] <_r00t_> Zoffix, I don't want to download the new cd you see
[20:01] <guntbert> _r00t_: update your system, no need for the new CD
[20:02] <Zoffix> _r00t_, not really following...
[20:02] <Zoffix> _r00t_, maybe you're looking for sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -s upgrade     That would run it in "simulate" mode, and you'll see if any packages are out of date.
[20:03] <_r00t_> ok thanks
[20:05] <bjsnider> just keep doing updates a couple times a day and you'll be up to date. it's not a big deal
[20:06] <_r00t_> thanks bjsnider ... I'm doing an upgrade now - 300 odd packages are coming my way
[20:06] <bjsnider> you can check what distro you're currently using with lsb_release -rs
[20:07] <karen> one more thing, I noticed I can't change anything! How do I change the panel? Like the icons on left, I whether have it on bottom and have pink as the color, but options or right click!
[20:07] <astraljava> bjsnider: Sadly, didn't help. Thanks anyway!
[20:07] <karen> aren't available
[20:07] <karen> like with 10.10
[20:08] <Zoffix> karen, you can log out and select the "GNOME Classic" as session.
[20:08] <bjsnider> astraljava, there's a dpkg log you can check for more detail
[20:08] <CestSebastian> hi, i am having some issues with ubuntu 12.04 and gnome shell classic ( or gnome fallback), the panels appear over the flash content when flash is fullscreened. Anyone know how to fix this?
[20:08] <Zoffix> karen, then it'd be almost the same as before.. To add to the panel you might have to do Super+Alt+Right Click or just Alt+Right Click
[20:08] <bjsnider> yeah, don't use gnome fallback
[20:10] <astraljava> bjsnider: There's no mention of the failing parts in do-release-upgrade -d inside the regular /var/log/dpkg.log, are you referring to some other log file for dpkg?
[20:10] <CestSebastian> another issue in gnome classic is that alt + tab doesn't work, when hitting alt + tab the focus moves within the application as if alt wasn't pressed at all. is there a fix for this?
[20:11] <Zoffix> CestSebastian, that doesn't happen to me :/
[20:11] <Zoffix> Ummm.. never mind actually, it might be because I'm also using openbox
[20:12] <_r00t_> Does anyone have a very good understanding of how do-release-upgrade works ?
[20:13] <Daekdroom> Good lord. hud-service process is eating 157MiB
[20:13] <trism> CestSebastian: might try the (no effects) session as a workaround, I only see the panels over the video in the compiz session (and maybe there is some compiz setting to fix that)
[20:14] <CestSebastian> i'll install compiz and see what can be done, thanks trism
[20:18] <bjsnider> astraljava, try /var/log/dist-upgrade
[20:21] <Zoffix> Hey. Is there a way to make "zappcrash" NOT open gedit with crash's text?
[20:24] <Zoffix> God, talk about annoying >_<
[20:25] <astraljava> bjsnider: Yeah I found that just recently, apparently some others have had problems with it too. There's one interesting line in main.log:
[20:25] <astraljava> 2012-03-31 23:18:49,581 DEBUG failed to SystemUnLock() (E:Not locked)
[20:29] <astraljava> bjsnider: Ooohhh.... apt.log is riddled with broken packages.
[20:30] <astraljava> Ok, I believe this calls for a bug report with the apt.log as an attachment.
[20:31] <Spartan29> hallo
[20:31] <Spartan29>  I've a trouble. I can't share files from linux to windows, files are in a folder of an NTFS partition mounted on boot time. What i see is that i can't change folder and than in it contained files. Can someone help me?
[20:33] <bjsnider> astraljava, probably it's specific to your system rather than an actual bug
[20:37] <shaneo1> Hi is anyone here familiar with jack headphone detecting for 12.04 beta 2
[20:38] <shaneo1> I raised a bug for alpha2, beta 1 and now beta 2, but nothing seems to be happening with it.  When the headphones are plugged in the speaker audio does not mute.  It used to work fine in 11.10
[20:38] <shaneo1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/941219
[20:38] <shaneo1> Yes I raised the bug
[20:39] <astraljava> bjsnider: Well, I guess we'll see if someone actually looks into triaging it.
[20:40] <shaneo1> is there a dedicated audio team I can speak with to hasten it, seems to be an issue on more than just my laptop,  have the same issue with my HP desktop at work
[20:49] <skyball> video is out of sync?
[20:49] <CestSebastian> can't find any compiz config related to flash fullscreen
[21:33] <blami> hi, anybody with multihead laptop setup (12.04)?
[21:34] <guntbert> !anyone | blami
[21:34] <_r00t_> blami how many monitors
[21:36] <blami> _r00t_: lvds (laptop panel) + one external will be fine. I run into situation when my laptop without external monitor was suspended, then docked (that means also connected to external dvi display) and awaken
[21:37] <blami> _r00t_: screen lock is shown on lvds (I assume it's okay) but my desktop is already shown on external display even without unlocking it
[21:38] <blami> guntbert: sorry
[21:38] <_r00t_> cool have you search launchpad ?
[21:39] <blami> _r00t_: I don't have http here in my office
[21:39] <blami> _r00t_: only irc :/
[21:39] <guntbert> blami: no reason to be sorry, I only wanted to to ask :-)
[21:44] <blami> _r00t_: is it already reported as bug?
[21:47] <astraljava> bjsnider: Right, there was a problem with rhythmbox, which was resolved by simply purging it from my system. Version conflict between that and rhythmbox-data.
[21:55] <bjsnider> astraljava, cool
[21:59] <hosoka> hello all
[22:00] <hosoka> need to report that upgrading to this testing 12.04 with only the lubuntu-core from 10.10 will install the lubuntu-desktop package. This should not happen.
[22:01] <hosoka> On the other side it looks like when choosing for gdm as autologin feature to escape the login you need to enable the lxdm first prior for upgrading to any version of Lubuntu upwards.
[22:02] <hosoka> If not you may encounter the issue where the autologin feature will be disabled.
[22:03] <hosoka> Further more I have noticed that while have selected for the lxdm display manager at 11.10 and upgraded to 12.04 the autologin feature seems to be enabled by default.
[22:03] <hosoka> this is realy what I have wanted all the time.
[22:04] <hosoka> Although when looking at the system and then Accounts setup I see that the password needs to be asked at login which is very strange to see that.
[22:05] <hosoka> If developers can have a look into this.
[22:26] <Guest54522> I'm digging the latest Ubuntu 12.04, pretty nice
[22:27] <Guest54522> one thing though... I'm not sure why it's going to take 500 Mb just to install wine
[22:27] <Guest54522> hmm
[22:27] <Guest54522> any suggestions?
[22:28] <jbicha> Guest54522: on amd64, it has to download a bunch of x86 libraries
[22:28] <jbicha> you're using 64-bit Ubuntu, right?
[22:28] <Guest54522> yeah
[22:28] <Guest54522> amd64
[22:29] <Guest54522> I guess I could compile it for my machine.  I konw that would be a lot of work, but i like to run ilte
[22:30] <Guest54522> I'm liking this release way better than the last
[22:30] <kklimonda> Guest54522: it won't change the fact that you need all those libraries to run wine
[22:31] <kklimonda> Guest54522: so you'll end up with over 500M of dependencies anyway
[22:32] <Guest54522> I was thinkig that most of those dependencies are x86 and if I compile it for 64bit then it use less
[22:32] <kklimonda> Guest54522: wine has to be compiled as a 32bit binary to run 32bit windows binaries
[22:33] <Guest54522> oh oh oh...
[22:33] <Guest54522> thanks
[22:33] <Guest54522> light went on
[22:44] <Guest54522> okay xhcat is really nice
[22:45] <Guest54522> I just figured out that i can connect to multiple servers at once
[22:45] <Guest54522> oh yeah
[22:47] <Zoffix> lol
[23:10] <faina> Hi, 12.04 cant connecting to my works wpa2-enterprise network, while 11.10 can. Should I be reporting this as a bug on launch pad?
[23:23] <MCR> astraljava, all others: UFO:AI 2.4 Release Candidate - Free download of fresh 2.4 .deb packages for x86 and x86_64 :) http://ufoai.org/wiki/index.php/Download
[23:23] <MCR> Please help testing :)
[23:33] <astraljava> MCR: Yeah, I'll try tomorrow (well, today strictly speaking).
[23:34] <MCR> :)
[23:38] <oneme> o.o
[23:38]  * oneme gags astraljava 
[23:45] <Zoffix> Christ, how are you supposed to setup printers now?
[23:46] <Zoffix> The only thing I seem to be able to do is to add my printer, but I need to configure it and point it to proper PPD :(
[23:47] <Zoffix> This reminds me of my Windows Vista experience.... File manager was left without an "Up Level" button, setting stuff up is akin to navigating a labyrinth of options.
[23:48] <Seven_Six_Two> nvidia 6800gt, recommended binary driver, dual-head. After being on for a while, my monitors go black after a few seconds until I move my mouse. gnome-screensaver and xscreensaver are uninstalled. nothing in power settings points to blanking screen (it happens less than a minute after moving mouse). I've got ubuntu installed (upgraded from fresh 11.10), but I'm using KDE right now.
[23:49] <Seven_Six_Two> I've only noticed the blanking in KDE so far, as it just started yesterday (big update). I'll give unity and gnome shell a try, unless someone else knows about the problem.
[23:49] <Dr_willis> Zoffix,  the cups web interface is still the same as its been for years i belive.
[23:50] <Seven_Six_Two> nothing in xorg.0.log, syslog, and dmesg
[23:50] <Zoffix> Dr_willis, hm, never used the web interface. I've used this tool before, and I installed it from that page, but have no idea WHERE to lunch it from now :S https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/system-config-printer-gnome/
[23:51] <Dr_willis> webinterface is like all ive ever used for years.
[23:51] <Dr_willis> http://localhost:631 i belive.
[23:52] <Zoffix> Dr_willis, seems like it, thanks... Let's see here.
[23:52] <Dr_willis> with my brother printer. :) i have to do very little configuring..
[23:53] <MCR> Seven_Six_Two: there is a tool called Caffeine: An application to temporarily prevent the activation of both
[23:53] <MCR>  the screen saver and the "sleep" powersaving mode.
[23:53] <MCR> it worx nice here, but I am not sure if it works on KDE
[23:54] <MCR> Seven_Six_Two: https://launchpad.net/caffeine
[23:54] <Seven_Six_Two> MCR, I'll give it a shot, although there is no screensaver process running. (and it blanks quicker than a minute)
[23:57] <Zoffix> Yey :)
[23:57] <MCR> Seven_Six_Two: I remember having similar troubles once (it was more than a minute though), with running Caffeine the monitors never go to sleep anymore ;)
[23:57] <Zoffix> Dr_willis, thanks. I got my printer working :)
[23:57] <MCR> Seven_Six_Two: this is also nice for advanced power management control: http://www.jupiterapplet.org/
[23:57] <Dr_willis> the gui printer config tools always seem lacking compared to the cups web interface
[23:59] <bjsnider> cups web interface is too complex for average users
[23:59] <bjsnider> and most other people
[23:59] <Seven_Six_Two> MCR, looks interesting. Prob is with a desktop, but that may be useful for laptop. thanks