| ali1234 | Azelphur: have you tried espeak? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Azelphur | ali1234: yea, it's a little better but still not great | 00:01 |
| Azelphur | the voices seem really really deep on it too for some reason | 00:01 |
| ali1234 | so change the pitch? | 00:02 |
| Azelphur | yea I played around with it a lot, it's just not really approaching the web based ones I've seen | 00:03 |
| ali1234 | espeak -p 0 -s 80 | 00:03 |
| ali1234 | ^ sarcasm machine | 00:03 |
| Azelphur | lol | 00:03 |
| gordonjcp | yes wub | flite -f - | 00:08 |
| gordonjcp | ^ autodubstep | 00:08 |
| ali1234 | yes oo | espeak -p 0 -s 80 | 00:08 |
| ali1234 | i don't know what it is but its very annoying | 00:09 |
| Azelphur | haha | 00:09 |
| ali1234 | flite isn't that bad | 00:13 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: reverse engineered the protocol on that web demo and implemented it in python | 00:16 |
| Azelphur | \m/ | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | flite -voice rms is quite good actually | 00:17 |
| * Azelphur has a nose at that | 00:17 | |
| Azelphur | this works though, I can shove anything I want at the acapela demo now :) | 00:18 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: seems kinda wobbly, but it is a step up :) | 00:18 |
| ali1234 | they will clearly ban you though | 00:19 |
| Azelphur | *shrug* maybe, I'm only doing one small call every day, I'll probably never be noticed. | 00:19 |
| Azelphur | it's only for personal use, not like I'm releasing it or anything | 00:19 |
| ball | Mornin' | 06:30 |
| ball | Hello webpigeo1 | 06:43 |
| popey | Morning! | 07:58 |
| ball | Mornin' popey! | 07:59 |
| Myrtti | morning | 08:52 |
| * ball waves | 09:02 | |
| AlanBell | Azelphur: use openMary, it is really good | 09:06 |
| AlanBell | http://mumble.libertus.co.uk:59125/ | 09:11 |
| AlanBell | http://mumble.libertus.co.uk:59125/process?INPUT_TYPE=TEXT&OUTPUT_TYPE=AUDIO&INPUT_TEXT=Azelphur%20this%20sounds%20OK%20to%20me%2C%20what%20do%20you%20think%3F&OUTPUT_TEXT=&effect_Volume_selected=&effect_Volume_parameters=amount%3A2.0%3B&effect_Volume_default=Default&effect_Volume_help=Help&effect_TractScaler_selected=&effect_TractScaler_parameters=amount%3A1.5%3B&effect_TractScaler_default=Default&effect_TractScaler_help=Help&effect_F0Scale ... | 09:13 |
| AlanBell | ... _selected=&effect_F0Scale_parameters=f0Scale%3A2.0%3B&effect_F0Scale_default=Default&effect_F0Scale_help=Help&effect_F0Add_selected=&effect_F0Add_parameters=f0Add%3A50.0%3B&effect_F0Add_default=Default&effect_F0Add_help=Help&effect_Rate_selected=&effect_Rate_parameters=durScale%3A1.5%3B&effect_Rate_default=Default&effect_Rate_help=Help&effect_Robot_selected=&effect_Robot_parameters=amount%3A100.0%3B&effect_Robot_default=Default&effect_Ro ... | 09:13 |
| AlanBell | ... bot_help=Help&effect_Whisper_selected=&effect_Whisper_parameters=amount%3A100.0%3B&effect_Whisper_default=Default&effect_Whisper_help=Help&effect_Stadium_selected=&effect_Stadium_parameters=amount%3A100.0&effect_Stadium_default=Default&effect_Stadium_help=Help&effect_Chorus_selected=&effect_Chorus_parameters=delay1%3A466%3Bamp1%3A0.54%3Bdelay2%3A600%3Bamp2%3A-0.10%3Bdelay3%3A250%3Bamp3%3A0.30&effect_Chorus_default=Default&effect_Chorus_h ... | 09:13 |
| AlanBell | ... elp=Help&effect_FIRFilter_selected=&effect_FIRFilter_parameters=type%3A3%3Bfc1%3A500.0%3Bfc2%3A2000.0&effect_FIRFilter_default=Default&effect_FIRFilter_help=Help&effect_JetPilot_selected=&effect_JetPilot_parameters=&effect_JetPilot_default=Default&effect_JetPilot_help=Help&HELP_TEXT=&exampleTexts=&VOICE_SELECTIONS=dfki-obadiah-hsmm%20en_GB%20male%20hmm&AUDIO_OUT=WAVE_FILE&LOCALE=en_GB&VOICE=dfki-obadiah-hsmm&AUDIO=WAVE_FILE | 09:13 |
| AlanBell | ooops | 09:13 |
| jussi | AlanBell: fail! | 09:13 |
| jussi | :D | 09:13 |
| AlanBell | http://bit.ly/HvCVg5 | 09:13 |
| AlanBell | as you can see, it has a restful web interface with lots of parameters you can pass in the URL string :) | 09:14 |
| AlanBell | the Obadiah and Prudence voices are quite good | 09:15 |
| * ball hides | 09:15 | |
| Myrtti | oh dear. | 09:22 |
| AlanBell | http://mary.opendfki.de/wiki/4.3.1 I should install the latest version | 09:24 |
| AlanBell | oh, won't help for web based traffic, just local sockets | 09:24 |
| czajkowski | *yawns* | 09:32 |
| czajkowski | morning | 09:32 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:53 |
| brobostigon | !info gnome-shell precise | 10:00 |
| lubotu3 | gnome-shell (source: gnome-shell): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.4.0-0ubuntu2 (precise), package size 330 kB, installed size 900 kB (Only available for any all) | 10:00 |
| brobostigon | !info gnome-shell unstable | 10:00 |
| lubotu3 | gnome-shell (source: gnome-shell): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component main, is optional. Version 3.2.2.1-2 (unstable), package size 348 kB, installed size 933 kB (Only available for any all) | 10:00 |
| brobostigon | that answers that question. | 10:00 |
| AlanBell | we have a newer gnome-shell than Debian? | 10:03 |
| brobostigon | yes. | 10:04 |
| AlanBell | oops http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbvncFwCkmA | 10:24 |
| AlanBell | luckily youtube has a facility to rotate videos | 10:25 |
| bigcalm | I thought that was just for trolling | 10:26 |
| AlanBell | edit in progress, somewhere out in the cloud a server is working quite hard to flip that video | 10:27 |
| bigcalm | Would be nice if that was the actual message that YouTube displayed | 10:44 |
| AlanBell | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbvncFwCkmA right way up now | 10:47 |
| czajkowski | want to help someone out and gain some karma . https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/192171 | 11:56 |
| AlanBell | ooh, that looks like a nasty bug | 12:00 |
| AlanBell | that is a "did anyone even think about testing this stuff??" kind of bug | 12:01 |
| czajkowski | aye but he logged it as a question to launhcpad | 12:01 |
| AlanBell | sure, it is a good question | 12:01 |
| AlanBell | so I had a back up now button active | 12:01 |
| czajkowski | so removed it from lp and back to ubuntu | 12:02 |
| AlanBell | I hit the automatic backup switch and the backup now button greys out | 12:02 |
| brobostigon | Files /usr/share/aiccu/conf-templates/aiccu.conf and /etc/aiccu.conf differ | 12:02 |
| brobostigon | aptitude safe-upgrade is sticking at that, wont go any further, how do i get it to continue? | 12:02 |
| AlanBell | click the switch again and the backup now button stays greyed out and I can't get it back | 12:02 |
| gordonjcp | check that the "require password" box hasn't popped up somewhere | 12:04 |
| AlanBell | gordonjcp: just spotted that, it is a popunder | 12:04 |
| gordonjcp | if I select "Automatic backups" on, it pops that dialogue up but it's hidden | 12:04 |
| gordonjcp | although it does shake the backup icon in the mac tray thing | 12:04 |
| gordonjcp | that definitely seems to be it | 12:14 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Gareth France] Tottenham Court Road 31st March 2012 - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=140 | 13:31 |
| Myrtti | updating to precise... | 13:34 |
| * brobostigon crosses his fingers for Myrtti, hoping for no breakage. | 13:35 | |
| gord | i upgraded a revo in norway remotely from lucid to oneiric and the only issue i encountered was it removed the nvidia driver, everything else just worked, very impressive | 13:38 |
| brobostigon | thats good to hear, as i have been thinking about updating my vps. | 13:39 |
| === daubers_ is now known as daubers | ||
| ali1234 | you have to be careful when upgrading VPS | 13:51 |
| ali1234 | they usually use a custom kernel | 13:51 |
| ali1234 | that can cause lots of problems | 13:51 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: in this case, as i am with bitfolk, and they use xen, it uses that kernel. | 13:53 |
| popey | i use a stock ubuntu kernel on my vps | 13:55 |
| popey | i think | 13:55 |
| popey | Linux bishop.popey.com 2.6.32-316-ec2 #31-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 18 14:09:06 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux | 13:55 |
| popey | yeah, the ec2 kernel | 13:55 |
| ali1234 | with common virtualization systems you don't get a choice in the kernel used | 13:55 |
| ali1234 | ie parallels | 13:55 |
| ali1234 | my VPS uses 2.6.18-028stab094.3 | 13:56 |
| brobostigon | Linux ptaylor 2.6.32-38-generic-pae #83-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jan 4 12:11:13 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux | 13:56 |
| brobostigon | i am totally wrong, i uses standard kernel. | 13:56 |
| ali1234 | it used to use 2.6.9 i think | 13:57 |
| ali1234 | i had to do a reimage to get the kernel upgraded though | 13:57 |
| ali1234 | anyway, always check this before upgrading a VPS, because if it's really old the upgraded install just won't boot at all | 13:57 |
| brobostigon | it will be lts to lts. | 13:59 |
| popey | yeah, make sure you have serial console access | 14:01 |
| popey | I wouldn't upgrade a public facing vps to 12.04 yet | 14:01 |
| * AlanBell has customer stuff running 12.04 | 14:02 | |
| brobostigon | i agree, i am just trying to plan. | 14:02 |
| * Daviey has some stuff still running dapper. :o | 14:18 | |
| ali1234 | looking forward to 12.04.1 | 14:28 |
| ali1234 | multiarch will really save me a lot of trouble | 14:28 |
| hamitron | 12.04 is out? | 14:28 |
| ali1234 | no :( | 14:28 |
| ali1234 | but i'm not going to put 12.04 on a production system | 14:28 |
| * czajkowski pokes Daviey | 14:29 | |
| hamitron | I'm thinking of putting it on my gaming rig | 14:29 |
| hamitron | so only issue if it went wrong, would be a bad tempered hamitron ;) | 14:30 |
| AlanBell | go for it | 14:30 |
| AlanBell | do the upgrade and file bugs if things are not right | 14:30 |
| hamitron | only when released | 14:30 |
| AlanBell | bugs are harder to fix after release | 14:31 |
| AlanBell | especially if they are things that get burned to the CDs | 14:31 |
| hamitron | only got 128kbit internet atm | 14:31 |
| hamitron | (throttled) | 14:31 |
| Myrtti | The upgrade has completed but there were errors during the upgrade | 14:40 |
| Myrtti | process. | 14:40 |
| Myrtti | :-| | 14:40 |
| Myrtti | right, Unity didn't start :-| | 15:03 |
| popey | Myrtti: unity --reset | 15:07 |
| popey | also, just make sure there's no outstanding packages needing configuring with a dpkg --configure -a | 15:08 |
| Myrtti | all the stuff from the top bar is gone | 15:13 |
| Myrtti | starting to regret upgrading :-| | 15:13 |
| ali1234 | stuff? | 15:17 |
| Myrtti | top bar has only the clock | 15:17 |
| Myrtti | and now my cursor got stuck | 15:18 |
| Myrtti | empathy doesn't work... | 15:18 |
| gord | Myrtti, sounds like you didn't get a full upgrade, try doing a dist-upgrade | 15:19 |
| gord | or maybe install ubuntu-desktop | 15:19 |
| kvarley | What software could I use to show a page to the users when they try to make a www request on my wifi network? In hotels they ask you to pay or get a passcode or something. I'm looking to display a php page stating terms of connecting. | 15:21 |
| Myrtti | oh dear lord | 15:28 |
| Myrtti | 1015 upgraded, 245 newly installed, 13 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 15:28 |
| shauno | kvarley, I don't have a shrink-wrapped answer for you, but "captive portal" is your google-fu, if it helps nudge you in the right direction | 15:28 |
| kvarley | shauno: Thanks so much! I was searching for what I wanted and getting nothing but people patronisingly telling me how to connect to an unsecured wifi network -_- | 15:29 |
| Myrtti | I just realised that I usually come with my Ubuntu problems here instead of #ubuntu | 15:42 |
| shauno | I tend to do the same. I have a "woah the floor's spinning" issue with the shear volume in #ubuntu | 15:47 |
| mgdm | On that note - anyone know how to make the screensaver secure in Oneiric, so that the menu bar isn't visible? | 15:49 |
| Myrtti | shauno: I don't have the volume problem - it's just that I don't usually get any answers from there | 15:54 |
| Azelphur | AlanBell: holy crap that was a long link haha | 16:21 |
| Azelphur | AlanBell: tis ok, I'll implement it if I ever get messed about with my solution :P | 16:22 |
| AlanBell | I was trying to work out how much effort it would be to add a new voice | 16:25 |
| Azelphur | did you see what I did with it in the end? | 16:26 |
| AlanBell | no | 16:27 |
| Azelphur | AlanBell: I found one of those high quality demos online, and reverse engineered the protocol the flash app uses to talk to the server :P | 16:27 |
| AlanBell | how does openmary compare? | 16:28 |
| Azelphur | not /great/ | 16:29 |
| Azelphur | http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html check out UK Peter | 16:29 |
| AlanBell | ok will do later, I am on a slow gprs connection now | 16:30 |
| AlanBell | how does their protocol work? | 16:31 |
| Azelphur | AlanBell: POST DATA receive partially busted URL to an MP3 stream | 16:31 |
| Azelphur | your obviously not meant to abuse their web demo though, so personal use only really | 16:31 |
| Azelphur | but that's fine for me \o/ | 16:31 |
| AlanBell | ok | 16:32 |
| Azelphur | I can give you the python if you want it, though | 16:32 |
| AlanBell | that would be great | 16:33 |
| AlanBell | turn it into a speech dispatcher plugin and it will work with Orca | 16:34 |
| Azelphur | haha | 16:34 |
| Azelphur | AlanBell: and then get caught and they block it and then I have no text to speech :( | 16:35 |
| Azelphur | one sec, I'll clean up the code a bit for some reason I accidentally overwrote my version that streamed it o.O | 16:36 |
| Myrtti | aw man, this reminds me that once I get this done, I still need to hunt for the Java somewhere | 16:44 |
| Azelphur | AlanBell: http://pastebin.com/jNg31ax5 couldn't get on_message to call for some reason but you get the idea. | 16:49 |
| directhex | java /o\ | 16:49 |
| Azelphur | expires in an hour, so save it | 16:49 |
| Azelphur | time for me to go cook dinner \o/ | 16:50 |
| Myrtti | directhex: I know... | 16:50 |
| Myrtti | stupid banking solutions... | 16:50 |
| gord | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rznYifPHxDg ha ;) google maps is everywhere | 16:52 |
| dvdrw | Looks like an April fool | 16:56 |
| gord | well, yes obviously ;P | 16:56 |
| Azelphur | hahaha | 17:09 |
| Azelphur | the quest butotn actually exists | 17:09 |
| Azelphur | I'm using it right now | 17:09 |
| Azelphur | London is a little castle, hahahaha | 17:09 |
| Azelphur | anyway, hijacking channel to talk about ISAs. does anyone have one, any tips, etc? :P | 17:13 |
| Azelphur | I hate to say it but I think santander has the best rate, 6.1% for first year | 17:16 |
| directhex | i think the google maps thing is a promotion for a new dragon quest game | 17:18 |
| Myrtti | well they need to offer a good interest since they are lending the money to stupid people overspending on weddings and useless tat | 17:18 |
| Myrtti | (Santander advertises in a Finnish wedding magazine for allowing people to have their dream wedding) | 17:19 |
| Azelphur | haha | 17:20 |
| kitsos | Hello everybody.I just connected a logitech webcamera on my pc and i dont see that is active what can i do? | 17:40 |
| kvarley | Is it possible to use iptables to redirect any new mac addresses to a different location? | 18:02 |
| Myrtti | oh good grief how difficult it is to find from ccsm how many virtual desktops I want and in what formation | 18:16 |
| Myrtti | ha, found it | 18:17 |
| penguin42 | kvarley: I think you need something like ebtables for that | 18:43 |
| kvarley | penguin42: Ok, I'll check it out, thanks. | 18:45 |
| AlanBell | Azelphur: those Acapela voices are pretty decent | 18:49 |
| Azelphur | AlanBell: they are indeed | 18:49 |
| AlanBell | I think OpenMary is quite close though | 18:49 |
| Azelphur | yea, it's closer than anything else I've seen | 18:50 |
| AlanBell | http://mary.dfki.de:59125/ try some of the unit selection voices too | 18:53 |
| Azelphur | AlanBell: spike is very good | 19:02 |
| Myrtti | dumdidumdidududum... | 19:11 |
| AlanBell | Azelphur: I am very tempted to make an Alan voice | 19:13 |
| Azelphur | haha | 19:13 |
| Azelphur | is it that easy to make a voice? | 19:14 |
| penguin42 | AlanBell: But will your chickens respond to it? | 19:14 |
| AlanBell | http://mary.opendfki.de/wiki/VoiceImportToolsTutorial | 19:15 |
| AlanBell | I am trying to find out how much recording you need to do | 19:17 |
| AlanBell | it would appear that the process is fairly automatic | 19:17 |
| AlanBell | just read out and record this lot http://paste.ubuntu.com/909176/ | 19:19 |
| AlanBell | or any other text but apparently that is a decent script | 19:20 |
| AlanBell | create lots of samples along with the transcripts of them and it sorts it out | 19:20 |
| shauno | I didn't realise it'd be that straightforward. I wonder if you could find sufficient corpus in a podcast to digitize people unknowingly | 19:21 |
| popey | Evening all | 19:21 |
| MartijnVdS | \o popeyx0r | 19:21 |
| Karti | Hi all, just looking at creating an in house nas using an old pc. Only linux and android to use it. Woul dNFS be the best solution? | 19:27 |
| * penguin42 isn't sure what Android can use | 19:29 | |
| Karti | android tab is using shared drives at the moment so I hope there should be no issues | 19:30 |
| dwatkins | some protocols are faster than others if you're serving media - samba is rather slow, for example | 19:58 |
| === shane is now known as Guest84782 | ||
| Guest84782 | can someone please tell me the channel to report 12.04 beta 2 bugs | 20:26 |
| === Guest84782 is now known as shaneo1 | ||
| shaneo1 | where can I report a bug please | 20:29 |
| shaneo1 | for ubuntu 12.04 | 20:29 |
| brobostigon | shaneo1: #ubuntu+1 | 20:29 |
| shaneo1 | ok thanks :) | 20:30 |
| popey | shaneo1: want to describe it? | 20:30 |
| brobostigon | shaneo1: also launchpad, ofcourse, : | 20:30 |
| brobostigon | :) | 20:30 |
| shaneo1 | when I plug in headphones the audio is not muted on my speakers | 20:30 |
| shaneo1 | it worked in 11.10 | 20:30 |
| popey | shaneo1: what machine? | 20:31 |
| shaneo1 | i did raise a bug for alpha 2, beta 1 but still it remains beta 2 | 20:31 |
| shaneo1 | acer aspire 8930 laptop | 20:31 |
| popey | ah, if there's already a bug reported then you dont need to file a new one | 20:31 |
| popey | what's the bug number? | 20:31 |
| shaneo1 | Its here I raised it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/941219 | 20:32 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 941219 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "Speaker Sound does not disable when Headphones are connected. Ubuntu 12.04 Beta 2" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:32 |
| shaneo1 | but im a musician and this is extremely annoying. | 20:32 |
| shaneo1 | thats the one | 20:33 |
| shaneo1 | I guess I will just have to wait | 20:33 |
| * popey clicks | 20:33 | |
| shaneo1 | im not sure the jack detect is a part of the alsa driver, im still learning linux | 20:34 |
| shaneo1 | i'll pop along to ubuntu+1 and see what the devs have to say | 20:35 |
| shaneo1 | thanks for your help peeps | 20:35 |
| popey | shaneo1: I dont think a plethora of devs hang out in +1 | 20:45 |
| shaneo1 | no, I guess I will have to be patient | 20:52 |
| shaneo1 | though it is annoying that Ubuntu can be good in one release and then the next broken | 20:53 |
| shaneo1 | Been using ubuntu for the past 2 years, dropped MS and introduced it in my company. | 20:54 |
| AlanBell | shaneo1: did jack detection on that laptop work in older versions? | 20:56 |
| shaneo1 | sure did | 20:56 |
| shaneo1 | 11.10 being the last time | 20:57 |
| shaneo1 | Think it has something to do with alsa-hda-dkms | 21:02 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 21:28 |
| AlanBell | top of the evening to you czajkowski :) | 21:30 |
| mattt | evening all | 21:31 |
| czajkowski | am having fun :D https://twitter.com/#!/czajkowski/status/186200303543123968/photo/1 | 21:31 |
| AlanBell | cool! | 21:32 |
| AlanBell | what does the sky remote do in all that? | 21:32 |
| czajkowski | keeps the tv on watching old movies | 21:32 |
| czajkowski | most important | 21:32 |
| AlanBell | ah right, fair enough :) | 21:33 |
| AlanBell | what are you making? | 21:33 |
| Azelphur | occams razor :P | 21:33 |
| czajkowski | Digital AGC | 21:33 |
| mattt | what is that mess | 21:33 |
| czajkowski | on top of a railway censor that measures the height and stagger of over head cables | 21:33 |
| mattt | AlanBell: has the reading meetup happened yet ? | 21:37 |
| gordonjcp | czajkowski: nice | 21:37 |
| czajkowski | aye and I have a arduino set here so we can tuck into that during the weeks that I'm here | 21:38 |
| mgdm | nice work | 21:39 |
| gord | czajkowski, how much to arduinos set you back? i know the unit is like £50 or so, but i'm thinking for all the equipment and extras | 21:39 |
| mgdm | I need to get some breadboards and stuff to use with my arduino + NXP stuff + et | 21:39 |
| mgdm | c | 21:39 |
| czajkowski | gord: started kit | 21:40 |
| mattt | you can get them on ebay for cheap (starter kit) | 21:40 |
| mattt | straight for hong kong | 21:40 |
| mgdm | gord: 50 quid? only if you get one with a pile of extras, surely - clones are much cheaper | 21:40 |
| mattt | *from | 21:40 |
| czajkowski | gord: http://www.earthshineelectronics.com/10-arduino-starter-kit.html | 21:41 |
| gord | hummmm, neat | 21:41 |
| gord | i have the feeling that if i got one i might make it flash an led, declare myself an electical engineer and put it in the cupboard of ignored computer parts though | 21:42 |
| mattt | gord: same :( | 21:42 |
| czajkowski | depends | 21:43 |
| czajkowski | can do lotta funky stuff | 21:43 |
| czajkowski | plus dad is an electonics enginner | 21:43 |
| czajkowski | engineer | 21:43 |
| czajkowski | so somthing new to do together | 21:43 |
| mattt | haha | 21:43 |
| mattt | brilliant | 21:43 |
| gord | yeah, they look like tonnes of fun | 21:43 |
| mattt | anyone go to wembley today ? | 21:44 |
| AlanBell | eww, hud on the screen that doesn't have the launcher looks silly :( | 21:45 |
| AlanBell | mattt: yes, it was thursday | 21:46 |
| mattt | :( did many show? | 21:46 |
| AlanBell | a dozen or so | 21:46 |
| mattt | wow, that's quite good | 21:46 |
| mattt | AlanBell: do you ever go to the rdggeek thing ? | 21:46 |
| AlanBell | no, I am not particularly near to Reading | 21:46 |
| popey | hmmm | 21:47 |
| popey | super+tab | 21:47 |
| popey | then super to get out of it | 21:47 |
| popey | nothing has focus | 21:47 |
| popey | AlanBell: do you get that ^^ ? | 21:48 |
| gord | i get that | 21:52 |
| popey | also | 21:55 |
| popey | (I will file that one in a mo) | 21:55 |
| popey | alt+f1, tap it a few times | 21:56 |
| popey | when you press the second time it goes back to the app you had open | 21:56 |
| popey | but the menu bar shows something for a split second before the right title | 21:56 |
| popey | cant quite make out what it is | 21:56 |
| popey | might be ubuntu desktop | 21:56 |
| popey | damnit, super+tab does something completely different as another user | 21:59 |
| popey | gord: any idea what super+tab is supposed to do? | 21:59 |
| popey | ah, popup explains it | 22:00 |
| popey | gord: bug 970420 if you could confirm pls ☺ | 22:09 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 970420 in unity "Super+Tab, super, loses focus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/970420 | 22:09 |
| gord | done done | 22:13 |
| popey | ta | 22:14 |
| popey | while you're here ☺ | 22:14 |
| popey | open a terminal, press and hold F1 | 22:14 |
| popey | er | 22:14 |
| popey | press and hold alt+F1 | 22:14 |
| popey | should toggle the bfb on and off | 22:15 |
| popey | do you see "crap" in the terminal? | 22:15 |
| popey | where 'crap' is ;3P over and over | 22:15 |
| gord | ;3P | 22:15 |
| gord | yeah | 22:15 |
| popey | \o/ | 22:15 |
| gord | its a compiz thing | 22:15 |
| gord | we had the same jibberish with hud alt | 22:16 |
| popey | bug 970425 | 22:18 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 970425 in unity "Keypresses not always captured, leak to apps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/970425 | 22:18 |
| popey | pls to be confirming | 22:18 |
| popey | and/or re-assigning :D | 22:18 |
| popey | found another too | 22:18 |
| czajkowski | hmm I seem to have all my applications numbered | 22:20 |
| czajkowski | and it wont feck off | 22:20 |
| popey | tab super | 22:20 |
| popey | i filed that the other day | 22:21 |
| czajkowski | hmm | 22:21 |
| popey | bug 970434 | 22:31 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 970434 in unity "menu bar flickers app name and window title when ALT+F1'ing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/970434 | 22:31 |
| Daviey | popey: did you reassign Alt? I found it a PITA with irssi | 22:39 |
| popey | no | 22:43 |
| popey | it doesnt affect me with irssi | 22:44 |
| popey | EVERY. OTHER. APP. Yes. | 22:44 |
| popey | :D | 22:44 |
| popey | apparently more than 1M people have ordered Raspberry Pi ⍨ | 22:45 |
| popey | Imagine if all those ran Ubuntu ☹ | 22:45 |
| hamitron | I thought ubuntu didn't support the cpu? | 22:48 |
| penguin42 | popey: Ordered: 1M Delivered: About 10 | 22:48 |
| hamitron | well, yeh, lack of cpu is more of an issue ;) | 22:48 |
| penguin42 | and RAM | 22:49 |
| hamitron | it has plenty of RAM | 22:50 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 22:50 |
| hamitron | twice that of my VPS | 22:50 |
| penguin42 | what type of VPS is it? | 22:51 |
| hamitron | when can get them easier, I may even get some for upgrades | 22:51 |
| hamitron | erm | 22:51 |
| hamitron | buyvm provides it | 22:51 |
| hamitron | openvz is it? | 22:51 |
| hamitron | (I forget the letters after "open") | 22:52 |
| penguin42 | think so, that's running a single kernel though shared between all the guests isn't it | 22:52 |
| hamitron | yep | 22:52 |
| popey | hamitron: that was kinda the point of the comment | 22:53 |
| popey | we _could_ support the CPU | 22:53 |
| hamitron | yeh, although ubuntu is targeting different stuff really | 22:54 |
| hamitron | imo | 22:54 |
| hamitron | it is more high end state of the art stuff | 22:54 |
| hamitron | :) | 22:54 |
| popey | or "stuff you can actually buy in a shop and not wait for some people to figure out they need CE mark until long after taking credit card details" | 22:55 |
| hamitron | haha | 22:55 |
| popey | easy to say as an onlooker of course | 22:55 |
| popey | and yes, I have one on order | 22:55 |
| hamitron | I haven't yet | 22:56 |
| hamitron | I never rush and jump into things ;) | 22:56 |
| popey | no wai! | 22:57 |
| hamitron | gonna try 12.04 quickly though, rather than wait 6 months and be a release behind ;D | 22:58 |
| directhex | from what i hear, debian-for-pi was largely killed by douchebags being douchey and claiming to speak for the project - enough to scare off the pi people | 22:59 |
| penguin42 | hmm - it would just need a kernel build for it wouldnt it | 22:59 |
| penguin42 | debian user space should run on the pi unchanged | 23:00 |
| penguin42 | (armel not armhf) | 23:00 |
| hamitron | I thought there was an image | 23:01 |
| hamitron | assumed it has a kernel and everything needed | 23:01 |
| popey | there is a debian image, and a fedora one | 23:07 |
| popey | and iirc an arch one | 23:07 |
| hamitron | I only downloaded the first | 23:07 |
| directhex | popey: only one of those is supported long term | 23:10 |
| directhex | penguin42: a kernel and an installer. but more than that, it requires the pi people not to feel like they're unwanted by hostile devs | 23:10 |
| penguin42 | popey: This should run Ubuntu (with a kernel tweek) - and I'm not betting on which will arrive first: http://www.rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/ | 23:11 |
| penguin42 | directhex: It shouldn't actually need an installer; a prebuilt image would work for that type of system | 23:12 |
| directhex | penguin42: you're still actively ignoring the main issue | 23:13 |
| penguin42 | directhex: which is? | 23:13 |
| directhex | that the pi people were told to get knotted by members of the debian arm community, so they decided "well sod that" | 23:14 |
| popey | they were also told not to use the ubuntu name by ubuntu community ☹ | 23:14 |
| penguin42 | directhex: That is unfortunate, and I don't know the circumstances behind it; but frankly I don't think the Pi guys exactly handled it well either | 23:14 |
| directhex | well, yes, they believed that when someone says they speak for debian, that they really do | 23:15 |
| popey | ditto ubuntu | 23:15 |
| directhex | popey: plus further detail i won't share | 23:15 |
| penguin42 | directhex: They were saying for months that it would run Ubuntu without ever actually checking whether it could, the chip they chose is not a great choice (old ARM core, video still requires closed binaries although that might get fixed etc) and they've completely ballsed up the release of the hardware | 23:16 |
| popey | it did run ubuntu | 23:16 |
| popey | just very old ubuntu | 23:16 |
| penguin42 | popey: Exactly | 23:16 |
| directhex | penguin42: there will never be "free" drivers for the gpu. the gpu isn't an add-on. it's the other way round. the gpu is the mian chip, the cpu is an afterthought | 23:16 |
| penguin42 | directhex: It's being reverse engineered at the moment | 23:17 |
| gord | eh the drivers for the gpu are closed? sounds like pulsebo all over again | 23:17 |
| penguin42 | gord: It's normal on ARM, there are very few open ones | 23:18 |
| popey | ah good old powervr ☹ | 23:18 |
| penguin42 | there is PowerVR, Mali and another I forgot; the Mali is being reverse engineered by the Lima project | 23:18 |
| penguin42 | Mali is the one in the chip on the Pi | 23:18 |
| gord | don't really care if its normal or not, i learnt my lesson | 23:18 |
| directhex | gord, super-closed. | 23:19 |
| directhex | penguin42: super wrong. | 23:19 |
| penguin42 | directhex: Please correct me | 23:19 |
| directhex | penguin42: broadcom videocore iv. | 23:19 |
| directhex | mali is super open by comparison | 23:19 |
| penguin42 | directhex: Oh great, sorry, I'd seen it said that they had a Mali on the Pi - oh that's even worse then | 23:20 |
| popey | mali is in the spark/vivaldi | 23:20 |
| penguin42 | directhex: In that case, I'll add an extra brick to my above statement about Pi making a bad choice | 23:21 |
| directhex | penguin42: it's a high-end DSP running expresslogic threadx, and runs linux on its ARM co-processor via a hypervisor | 23:21 |
| directhex | penguin42: the GPU is in charge of booting, and won't even boot kernels that aren't signed with a special binary-only tool | 23:21 |
| penguin42 | directhex: And how do Pi work around that? | 23:22 |
| popey | they ship the binary | 23:22 |
| penguin42 | directhex: Do they have a signed boot loader? | 23:22 |
| directhex | basically | 23:22 |
| penguin42 | popey: Hmm, so from a debian point of view there is no free way of them building a release? | 23:22 |
| directhex | the pi is a broadcom side project to sell a lot of their set-top-box chips | 23:23 |
| directhex | the cpu (arm core) is pretty much the same one from the iphone 1 :p | 23:23 |
| penguin42 | directhex: I think a few of the ARMs have a hypervisor layer, and then a boot loader from the vendor (I think the OMAPs do that), but in there case the boot loader is a very light shim at the hypervisor is only used for a few minor things | 23:23 |
| directhex | penguin42: in terms of open-friendly chip vendors, broadcom is at the bottom of the pile. hell, they don't even publish datasheets unless you pay | 23:26 |
| penguin42 | directhex: Very few of the ARM vendors do (TI Omap being an exception I think) | 23:26 |
| directhex | penguin42: TI is one of the best, sadly | 23:27 |
| penguin42 | directhex: The Allwinner A10 in that rhombtech (link above) seems to have source around for the kernels to download, and be very hackable, but I don't think they officially released datasheets (there is a chinese one floating about marked confidential) | 23:28 |
| penguin42 | directhex: sadly why? | 23:28 |
| directhex | penguin42: best of a bad lot | 23:28 |
| penguin42 | directhex: I'm reasonably happy to pat them on the back for that | 23:29 |
| directhex | penguin42: assume that a chinese vendor will not follow the GPL. | 23:29 |
| penguin42 | directhex: They got forced to at some point, and so the source for the A10 kernel is released, although it's not clean it has a few non-GPL bits in it that people are in the process of forcably removing | 23:30 |
| penguin42 | directhex: The rhombtech guys are trying to build the board with fully open code (and the designs are open as well) | 23:31 |
| directhex | those are the same people behind the lulzy kde tablet? | 23:32 |
| penguin42 | no | 23:32 |
| penguin42 | directhex: it was started by lkcl and Phil Hands - so it really should stay open | 23:33 |
| directhex | lkclol | 23:34 |
| directhex | for the love of... i think my lumia's broken | 23:34 |
| * popey tickles gord with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2IAYl1UiaU | 23:48 | |
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