[00:00] <meerkats> riddlebox, on my very very slow craptop it takes like 3 minutes to load the whole thing, plus to load FF it will need another full minute
[00:00] <riddlebox> I run debian on my asterisk/zoneminder server and it just works
[00:00] <riddlebox> meerkats, thats horrible
[00:00] <meerkats> in ubuntu's defense ill state that I have a LOT of apps
[00:00] <riddlebox> it takes less than a second to load firefox in ANYTHING else
[00:01] <meerkats> and a LOT of resource intensive programms that I want to keep
[00:01] <meerkats> plus, Im getting broken pipe messages
[00:01] <meerkats> and graphical errors
[00:02] <meerkats> and sometimes the machine may just freeze for 7 minutes
[00:02] <riddlebox> ouch
[00:02] <magerquark> riddlebox, try xubuntu, i love it+
[00:03] <meerkats> if there is a netsplit it may be due to the erasing of gnome in course...
[00:03] <meerkats> wrong word: If for any reason I stop being here...
[00:04] <riddlebox> I like gnome3 but if you are doing more than a couple things at once its not fun
[00:04] <meerkats> i remember when I could browse, play a fligh simulator and download torrents at the same time
[00:04] <meerkats> dont know what went wrong...
[00:05] <meerkats> whats ubuntu's gnome version?
[00:05] <meerkats> 11.10
[00:06] <riddlebox> gnome3
[00:07] <meerkats> im going for the default xfce installation http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[00:20] <meerkats> can I install .deb or do I have to look for .gtk+?
[00:21] <GridCube> ?
[00:21] <GridCube> .gtk+¡
[00:21] <GridCube> ?
[00:21] <GridCube> never heard of that
[00:24] <meerkats> mistake
[00:24] <meerkats> gtk
[00:24] <meerkats> ?
[00:59] <GridCube> no idea
[03:44] <k_sze> I think I need to completely nuke anything Samba-related in my Xubuntu box and start over.
[03:45] <k_sze> It really isn't working right.
[03:49] <GridCube> k_sze, have you installed gvfs-backends?
[03:49] <GridCube> !info gvfs-backends
[04:34] <twoten> anyone awake?
[05:29] <Sysi> stupid flash.. youtube has gone blue, I'll try html5
[05:30] <Sysi> instant win
[05:45] <bazhang> disable hw accelaration in flash fullscreen fixes that
[05:47] <Sysi> settings dialog froze
[08:34] <eltigre> hey, I need help with sound recording.... in standard ubuntu I can adjust the sound level of my usb microphone....
[08:34] <eltigre> but in xfce I have not found a way to do that yet....
[08:34] <eltigre> any idea?
[08:34] <eltigre> currently it's muted ;-)
[08:35] <Sysi> try pavucontrol
[08:35] <eltigre> normally I'd adjust the pulse audio mixer levels...
[08:36] <eltigre> thanks
[08:38] <eltigre> works now...
[08:38] <eltigre> google wasn't really helpful with that... usually you'd find that with a few queries...
[09:09] <cejn> Hello, I'm receiving a ridiculous connection speed when I switched wireless network. Setting DNS-servers doesn't seem to help, neither does disabling IPsv6
[09:09] <cejn> Iwconfig: IEEE 802.11abgn  ESSID:"Hamjai"
[09:09] <cejn>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 00:22:B0:81:09:8A
[09:09] <cejn>           Bit Rate=130 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm
[09:09] <cejn>           Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[09:09] <cejn>           Power Management:off
[09:09] <cejn>           Link Quality=70/70  Signal level=-32 dBm
[09:09] <cejn>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[09:09] <cejn>           Tx excessive retries:1506  Invalid misc:123   Missed beacon:0
[09:10] <cejn> Anyone recognise this and know how to go about fixing connection speed?
[09:10] <cejn> I'm using Chromium.
[10:21] <colo-work> hi there
[10:21] <colo-work> will Xubuntu 12.04 also be supported "long-term", like Kubuntu will be?
[10:28] <Sysi> for three years IIRC
[10:50] <cejn> How do I fix my extremely slow wireless connection? I know it's my computer
[10:51] <Sysi> what wifi chip and what xubuntu version?
[10:57] <cejn>  RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet (Realtek)
[10:57] <cejn> Xubuntu 11.10
[10:57] <cejn> Oneiic Ocelot
[10:58] <cejn> iric
[10:58] <cejn> All programs using wifi are slow. When I was at home it worked perfectly but now I
[10:58] <Sysi> that's wired chip
[10:59] <cejn> oh
[10:59] <cejn> sec
[10:59] <cejn> description: Wireless interface
[10:59] <cejn>        product: PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection
[10:59] <cejn>        vendor: Intel Corporation
[10:59] <cejn>        physical id: 0
[10:59] <cejn>        bus info: pci@0000:06:00.0
[10:59] <cejn>        logical name: wlan0
[10:59] <Sysi> are you far from AP, what encryption at home&now, lots of other users, tin foil in front of AP?
[11:00] <cejn>        version: 61
[11:00] <Sysi> please use paste.ubuntu.com for pastes over four lines
[11:01] <cejn> WPA/WPA2, same at home. Internet running slow only for me, perfect on other devices
[11:01] <cejn> Ok
[11:01] <cejn> sorry!
[11:02] <cejn> I can't reach pastebin anyhow :P
[11:03] <cejn> Chromium can't connect, Xchat still working though..
[11:03] <Sysi> hmm, apparently kernel in 11.10 has bug conserning that chip, you could try installing newer one from kernel-team PPA
[11:04] <cejn> how do I do that the easiest way?
[11:06] <Sysi> hrm, that ppa has vanished, I need to find replacong one
[11:08] <Sysi> add "deb http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline" and (in new line) "deb-src http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline" to /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:10] <Sysi> update package lists and search for kernel newer than your current one
[11:18] <cejn> what program do I use for editing the source list..? can't save..
[11:18] <cejn> cp into it wont work aswell
[11:19] <cejn> as you may notice I'm fairly new to Ubuntu
[11:25] <Sysi> cejn: use "gksudo leafpad /etc/apt/sources.list"
[11:32] <cejn> says the source I put in the row can't be read
[11:32] <cejn> let me check one  time more if it
[11:32] <cejn> 's all correct
[11:35] <cejn> rebooting
[12:03] <kvarley> Is there an ARM port of XUbuntu?
[12:56] <forestpiskie> hi - been meddling with nvidia and 2 screens - somehow I just moved the panel from one screen to the other - but it won't let me move it back - any ideas how to do that please
[12:57] <forestpiskie> or even have it show on both screens
[12:57] <Sysi> unlock in preferences and drag
[12:58] <forestpiskie> yea - that was how I moved it in the first place - but it won't let me move it back - comes to edge of screen and stops
[12:59] <forestpiskie> nvm
[12:59] <forestpiskie> now it lets me ...
[12:59] <forestpiskie> sorry for wasting your time Sysi
[13:05] <Mormaugus> i have problem, tell's me "can't find or create trash folder", when i'm trying to delete file or folder
[13:05] <Mormaugus> that's with thunar file manager
[13:07] <Sysi> Mormaugus: default installation of xubuntu?
[13:07] <Mormaugus> yes
[13:09] <Sysi> sudo chown -R $USER:$USER ~/.local/share/Trash
[13:11] <Sysi> and remember to never run thunar with sudo, if you have to, gksudo
[13:12] <Mormaugus> yes i know :)
[13:12] <Mormaugus> now i will see what's gonna make
[13:16] <mongy> what version of xfce is in the latest beta ?
[13:17] <GridCube> 4.8
[13:17] <GridCube> it will be the one in the final release too
[13:18] <ThePendulum> Greetings
[13:20] <GridCube> greeting
[13:20] <ThePendulum> I was wondering if it's possible to change the resolution of the Xubuntu splash screen, during start-up and shutdown
[13:21] <GridCube> mmmm i don't know, let me check
[13:23] <mongy> is there a 4.9 stable or is it just jumping straight to 4.10 (still in dev)
[13:24] <GridCube> ThePendulum, as far as i understand it, plymouth depends on grub configurations, check this http://www.namanb.com/2010/05/changing-bootup-resolution-plymouth-in-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx.html
[13:25] <GridCube> mongy, direct to 10
[13:25] <Sysi> 4.9 is dev-version, stable will be 4.10
[13:25] <ThePendulum> GridCube: Thanks for the link! I'll have a read
[13:27] <GridCube> ThePendulum, keep in mind that the last time i tried this it broke pretty much all my tty's
[13:28] <GridCube> probably i did something wrong
[13:28] <ThePendulum> GridCube: Oh golly. I am going to reboot now, wish me luck!
[13:31] <andantino> thinking about trying beta here....i only need the live cd if i want to upgrade eventually right?
[13:32] <ThePendulum> andantino: Go back to 11.10, or keep 11.10 for now and update to 12.04 eventually?
[13:32] <andantino> i havent got 11.10
[13:32] <ThePendulum> Any version you have now, then
[13:32] <andantino> no version now
[13:32] <ThePendulum> What are you using now?
[13:32] <andantino> well im on windows, but crunchbang
[13:33] <andantino> so you are saying not to use the beta?
[13:34] <ThePendulum> You're on Windows, but Crunchbang? I don't completely get what you want to do
[13:34] <GridCube> andantino, if you could betatest that be awesome, and if you keep updating you should get the final release as it should, things shouldnt change much this coming weeks
[13:34] <ThePendulum> You want to try Xubuntu 12.04 now?
[13:34] <andantino> i am on windows at the moment
[13:34] <andantino> for linux i use crunchbang
[13:34] <ThePendulum> Ah, okay
[13:34] <ThePendulum> And you want to try Xubuntu 12.04 with that Linux machine?
[13:34] <GridCube> andantino, the best place to ask tho its #xubuntu-devel :)
[13:35] <andantino> well basically what i am asking is
[13:35] <ThePendulum> I've tried it recently. If you want a stable system, don't try 12.04 yet. But if you want to help the developers, please use 12.04!
[13:35] <andantino> i know with opensuse, for instance, that you have to download the full 4gb to upgrade to final
[13:35] <andantino> at least i think
[13:36] <GridCube> andantino, no needed, its recomended, but not needed
[13:36] <andantino> ah ok
[13:36] <ThePendulum> andantino: You can install any version of Xubuntu, and upgrade to the latest version anytime
[13:36] <ThePendulum> Just from within Xubuntu, no extra live disc needed
[13:37] <andantino> well im going to test the beta then
[13:37] <GridCube> ThePendulum, thats not pretty much how it works
[13:37] <ThePendulum> ^ The beta is the latest version, so there's nothing to upgrade really
[13:37] <GridCube> not with betas
[13:37] <andantino> you just update
[13:37] <ThePendulum> andantino: What exactly do you want to upgrade to if you're going to try the beta?
[13:37] <GridCube> andantino, with the betas you will update packages and at the end you will have all the correct ones
[13:38] <andantino> okie dokie
[13:38] <GridCube> after the release i don't know if you will keep recieving the updates
[13:38] <GridCube> though knome should know
[13:39] <ThePendulum> knome, show your buttox in here, now!
[13:40] <ThePendulum> I misunderstood andantino, I thought he wanted to know if he could just get 11.10 now and upgrade to 12.04 anytime. If not, he would get 12.04 right away.
[13:41] <andantino> hmm
[13:41] <andantino> oh well ill just test it and find out later
[13:41] <andantino> :P
[13:41] <ThePendulum> andantino: You'll need a live disc to get back to 11.10 though, FYI
[13:43] <ThePendulum> Brb, I'm going to reboot to see if I managed to get my splash screen right
[13:46] <ThePendulum> GridCube: That didn't work, apparently :(
[13:46] <andantino> working fine?
[13:48] <GridCube> ThePendulum, :(
[13:49] <andantino> whats wrong with the splash screen?
[13:50] <andantino> oh changing resolution
[13:51] <GridCube> ThePendulum, what i did was i placed a proper size png on the /boot/grub/ folder and did an update-grub, it efectivelly changed the grub resolution to the image one, then plymouth resolution was ok
[13:51] <GridCube> also it uses the png as grub background :p
[13:51] <ThePendulum> Lol, that was how I expected it to work :P
[13:51] <ThePendulum> While I am going to try that, is there anyone participating in Earth Hour?
[13:52] <GridCube> nope
[13:52] <andantino> yup
[13:53] <ThePendulum> Turning of all my computers would make quite a difference I think... But then again, if I'm the only one doing that, it won't
[13:53] <andantino> i will be using my computer by candlelight
[13:53] <ThePendulum> xD
[13:55] <ThePendulum> GridCube: There is no png in my grub folder? D:
[13:57] <andantino> well i have downloaded the beta2 live desktop....ill give it a shot later
[13:57] <andantino> nice talking to you and thanks
[13:57] <GridCube> ThePendulum, ofcourse not
[13:57] <GridCube> add one
[13:57] <koeldi> I have installed xubuntu in the following manner: I downloaded xubuntu packages from synaptic to my ubuntu distro, and then executed the fist command from http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[13:57] <koeldi> now I cannot use any of it. can anyone help me fix it from grub or terminal?
[13:58] <ThePendulum> GridCube: What should it be called?
[13:58] <GridCube> koeldi, from a terminal do >sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[13:58] <koeldi> can I execute xubuntu from frub or terminal?
[13:59] <GridCube> ThePendulum, any name
[13:59] <koeldi> grub
[13:59] <GridCube> a terminal
[13:59] <ThePendulum> GridCube: So add a 1920x1080 png file with any name, run update-grub, and it works? :O
[13:59] <GridCube> yes
[13:59] <GridCube> grub2 its pretty smart
[13:59] <ThePendulum> Daaaamned babe
[14:00] <koeldi> ok, now im in recovery menu with options: resume, fsck, remount and root, should I go root?
[14:00] <GridCube> yes
[14:00] <koeldi> root now
[14:00] <koeldi> what do I write now?
[14:00] <GridCube> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[14:01] <ThePendulum> GridCube: What about the animated 'loading' bar?
[14:01] <GridCube> ThePendulum, thats plymouth
[14:01] <GridCube> it should get the screen configurations from grub
[14:01] <koeldi> crap...
[14:01] <GridCube> koeldi, ?
[14:01] <koeldi> w: not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[14:01] <ThePendulum> GridCube: So there doesn't have to be anything senseful in the image, because it won't show up?
[14:01] <koeldi> E: unable to write to /var/cache/apt/
[14:02] <koeldi> E: the package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened
[14:02] <GridCube> ThePendulum, use what ever you want, its your computer
[14:02] <ThePendulum> GridCube: Well, I just want to know if I will ever see the actual image or it's just used to determine the resolution
[14:03] <GridCube> i do not know that, ill bet you wont see it?, but i dont know if that makes it seeable
[14:03] <ThePendulum> GridCube: I thought you used the method yourself?
[14:03] <GridCube> i do, but i always see grub
[14:04] <GridCube> its to choose from several boot options
[14:04] <GridCube> koeldi, im not sure you are logged as root
[14:04] <GridCube> do a whoami
[14:05] <koeldi> root GridCube
[14:05] <GridCube> oh...
[14:05] <GridCube> ok
[14:05] <GridCube> i remember some problem like this
[14:06] <GridCube> it happens when the whole system does not get loaded on the recovery stage
[14:06] <GridCube> let me check the steps to get it working
[14:08] <koeldi> i appreciate
[14:11] <koeldi> I did something very stupid by erasing gnome and kde packages from unity2d, didntI? I should have logged in in xubuntu and, from there, open a terminal and paste the command
[14:12] <GridCube> probably, i dont know
[14:15] <deeees> can someone please tell me what the fuck is going on: all of a sudden my screen gets locked with xscreensaver and it will not let me get in again with my login password, this has happened many times with me putting computer to suspend also
[14:15] <bazhang> deeees, no cursing here
[14:16] <deeees> wrong password and then I have to manually close computer by no power and login after boot
[14:16] <deeees> bazhang, yes I know did anyway
[14:16] <deeees> it is mad problem
[14:16] <bazhang> deeees, please not again
[14:16] <deeees> will not happen again
[14:16] <deeees> sorry
[14:18] <GridCube> koeldi, sorry my virtual machines dont want to cooperate, you will have to try
[14:18] <GridCube> mmm try more options XD
[14:19] <GridCube> i gotta go for a moment sorry
[14:19] <ThePendulum> GridCube: That didn't work either :(
[14:19] <koeldi> GridCube: but you are still providing commands, arent you?
[14:20] <ThePendulum> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25683105/Pictures/Screenshots/2012033101%3A59%3A37_General.png
[14:22] <GridCube> yeah koeldi
[14:25] <papasmurf> Hi people
[14:25] <papasmurf> i have a problem booting up my xubuntu
[14:26] <koeldi> being root, how do I become user in recovery mode?
[14:27] <arthurjo_droid> Did you enter your admin user name?
[14:27] <papasmurf> when i start-up Xubuntu weird characters appears "^]^]^]^]^]^]^]^]^]", if i press any "key" of the keyboard i just go on to the login screen, otherwise the system crashes
[14:27] <papasmurf> ¿?
[14:28] <koeldi> arthurjo_droid: admin user name = jimmy?
[14:35] <GridCube> koeldi, on reccvovery first chos
[14:35] <GridCube> choose
[14:35] <GridCube> remount
[14:35] <GridCube> then root
[14:35] <GridCube> :3
[14:36] <GridCube> that should do the trick
[14:36] <GridCube> bbl
[14:39] <koeldi> GridCube: and anyone in here: I tried again, being root, and in this new location, apt-get install xubuntu desktop, I got a warning about duplicated sources and I was suggested to apt-get autoremove
[14:40] <twoten> I just installed xubuntu where I used to have another xfce distro, now I can't login to my user directory but I can run the gui as root, how can I make xfce recognize me as my old user?
[14:40] <koeldi> 4.5GB disk space will be freed
[14:40] <koeldi> now, all that is ubuntu related and NOT my personal data (mp4, fworfiles) right?
[14:40] <koeldi> workfiles*
[14:40] <twoten> I try using the user manager but it just hangs up all gray with an hourglass cursor
[14:43] <GridCube> koeldi, yes, your data should be safe
[14:43] <koeldi> GridCube: how long could it take for my 2core machine to get rid of all gnome and kde and get the clean xfce installation? I left it the whole night, 12 hours, and its still uncomplette
[14:44] <koeldi> GridCube: this morning, and believing it was over (because terminal didnt show up when I moved the mouse) I turned the craptop off
[14:44] <koeldi> now it seems that i killed it in the middle of a process
[14:45] <GridCube> koeldi, i dont know, i bet it depends more on your internet conection
[14:45] <koeldi> GridCube: for removing files?
[14:45] <GridCube> twoten, delete the .Xauthority file from ~/
[14:45] <koeldi> GridCube: ok, ill turn to do other things
[14:46] <GridCube> oh, koeldi dont know 'bout that
[14:46] <twoten> alright
[14:46] <koeldi> GridCube: thanks for the help
[14:48] <GridCube> good luck
[14:49] <koeldi> GridCube: once its finished with autoremove, will it automatically log in with xubuntu, or will I have to execute sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop?
[14:51] <koeldi> gtg
[15:09] <hopeishep> hi
[15:09] <hopeishep> not everything is lost:
[15:09] <hopeishep> im recovery mode console as root, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop gives: xubuntu desktop is already the newest version
[15:10] <hopeishep> which means xubuntu is installed in my machine
[15:10] <hopeishep> only thing is: I cannot enter/access the GUI
[15:10] <hopeishep> I need help for that
[15:13] <GridCube> hopeishep, delete .Xautorithy from your ~/
[15:14] <hopeishep> im sorry what does -/ (I dont see the firs charecter in the keyboard) mean? home?
[15:19] <hopeishep> GridCube: cannot remove /root/.Xauthority : no such file
[15:19] <hopeishep> crap
[15:19] <hopeishep> soorry
[15:20] <hopeishep> no, I cannot remove that one either
[15:24] <arthurjo_droid> Try the startx command
[15:25] <arthurjo_droid> Might give you a error, but could help with debugging
[15:25] <hopeishep> arthurjo_droid: it seems you saved my day....
[15:26] <hopeishep> fuck, mosue doesnt work
[15:26] <oCean> hopeishep: control your language here, please
[15:26] <bazhang> !crosspost | hopeishep
[15:27] <hopeishep> oCean: soccer moms here too? i really doubt there is anybody under 18 here
[15:27] <hopeishep> thx arthurjo_droid
[15:27] <bazhang> hopeishep, you are crossposting to multiple channels
[15:27] <hopeishep> bazhang: yes, and I apologize for that
[15:27] <oCean> hopeishep: guidelines apply here as well, no excuses
[15:27] <bazhang> hopeishep, and there is no cursing, dont even argue it
[15:28] <papasmurf> Hi
[15:28] <papasmurf> hello people
[15:28] <papasmurf> is it possible to upgrade in April from 11.10 to 12.04 LTS???
[15:29] <papasmurf> i think i want to switch to LTS
[15:29] <bazhang> papasmurf, sure
[15:29] <hopeishep> good, my files are here
[15:29] <papasmurf> bazhang, thanks,  is it that complicated?
[15:29] <bazhang> papasmurf, no, not really
[15:30] <hopeishep> can anyone suggest why the embedded mouse doesnt work, but another one connected via usb does?
[15:30] <papasmurf> bazhang, that's a great news
[15:31] <bazhang> !upgrade | papasmurf
[15:33] <hopeishep> arthurjo_droid: I logged in as root, didnt I?
[15:34] <hopeishep> I mean, how do I make it default for my machine to load xubuntu?
[15:36] <arthurjo_droid> Yes should be as the user you were logged in as
[15:36] <papasmurf> bazhang, i guess the final upgrade will appear at some point, would you recommend me to upgrade to 12.04 Beta 2
[15:36] <bazhang> papasmurf, depends. it's only beta 2, and the final is not for nearly a month now
[15:37] <papasmurf> bazhang, i would like to install Kernel 3.2 as my laptop is burning
[15:37] <bazhang> papasmurf, you should really ask about the schedule in #ubuntu+1
[15:38] <papasmurf> i've heard Kernel 3.2 has made some good advances with respect to laptops performance
[15:39] <papasmurf> bazhang,  thanks!
[15:55] <hopeishep> how do I make it default for my machine to load xubuntu?
[15:56] <hopeishep> it keeps showsin ubuntu in grub, but choosing it wont load anything
[15:56] <hopeishep> showing
[15:56] <GridCube> hopeishep, do you have lightdm installed?
[15:56] <hopeishep> GridCube: dont know, apparently sda1 has been mounted 10 times, check forced now
[15:57] <hopeishep> forcing
[15:57] <GridCube> yes, nevermind that
[15:58] <hopeishep> i assume thats the default disk check
[15:58] <GridCube> hopeishep, do you even get X loaded? when doing normal boot
[15:58] <hopeishep> GridCube: i get grub loaded showing 5 options (ubuntu, ubuntu recovery mode, older linux and 2 memtests)
[15:58] <Myrtti> hopeishep: grub menu shows ubuntu *anyway*
[15:58] <hopeishep> hope that answers your question
[15:59] <Myrtti> hopeishep: it's once you get the graphical login screen where you make the decision
[15:59] <GridCube> yes, holstein it says "ubuntu" but it should load xubuntu
[15:59] <GridCube> its just a nametag
[15:59] <Myrtti> ubuntu is the name of the kernel and the base install of the system, xubuntu is the icing and filling of the cake
[15:59] <GridCube> you can actually change it to whatever you want
[15:59] <hopeishep> no I dont get to that page where I choose between kde, ubuntu, ubuntu2d if you mean that
[16:00] <hopeishep> I cannot normal boot...
[16:00] <GridCube> if you boot into the first option
[16:00] <GridCube> can you press ctrl-alt-F1 to jump to tty1?
[16:01] <hopeishep> when im done with the checking
[16:01] <GridCube> :)
[16:03] <hopeishep> tty1 = boot menu? GridCube
[16:04] <hopeishep> seems not
[16:04] <GridCube> no
[16:04] <GridCube> tty1 should say >tty1
[16:05] <GridCube> press crtl-alt-f1 and see if it leads you there
[16:05] <GridCube> if not get again to recovery mode, and check if you have lightdm installed, like, with apt-get install lightdm
[16:06] <hopeishep> lightdm is the newest version, recovery mode terminal
[16:07] <hopeishep> should I write tty1?
[16:07] <GridCube> no
[16:07] <GridCube> tty1 its a terminal interface
[16:07] <GridCube> its like the root window you are now
[16:07] <GridCube> (in fact you should be able to alt-F2 now and get to a second tty)
[16:08] <GridCube> but thats irrelevant
[16:08] <GridCube> you should be able to boot to the system by default by now
[16:08] <GridCube> do an update-grub
[16:08] <GridCube> just in case
[16:09] <hopeishep> GridCube: in recovery menu: choose grub /Updtade grub bootloader) right?
[16:09] <oxic`> you guys provide the best support =)
[16:09] <hopeishep> updated grub
[16:10] <hopeishep> resume normal boot I guess...
[16:12] <GridCube> yep hopeishep, cross your fingers
[16:12] <hopeishep> im getting screens with info tiling at incredible speeds, so fast I can barely read
[16:12] <GridCube> oxic`, :P if you say so
[16:12] <GridCube> hopeishep, thats hopeful
[16:12] <hopeishep> really GridCube ?
[16:13] <GridCube> if you get to a blank screen, or a black screen then press ctrl-alt-F1 and see if you go to tty
[16:13] <GridCube> :D
[16:13] <GridCube> yes, hopeishep it means x is trying to load
[16:14] <hopeishep> GridCube: redundant screens now: blank - checking battery state - blanck - checking battery state (there are other messages about mythtv (uninstalled) and apache2
[16:14] <hopeishep> cannot read em though, too fast
[16:19] <GridCube> hopeishep, can you or cannot get to tty1 as normal user, no recovery mode
[16:19] <hopeishep> cannot
[16:19] <GridCube> mmm
[16:20] <GridCube> ctrl-alt-f2 to tty2?
[16:20] <GridCube> long shot :P but it might work
[16:24] <hopeishep> when do I have to execute ctrl-alt-f2? when booting as normal user? Plus even with grub updated I only see references to ubuntu, not xubuntu
[16:24] <hopeishep> GridCube: above
[16:26] <GridCube> hopeishep, the reference, its just a name, you can edit it to say what ever you want
[16:27] <GridCube> and the pressing is when after loading your system, normally, if you dont get to a desktop, after a while, you can jump to those tty's and use your system from the terminal, its safer and easier
[16:28] <GridCube> gotta go do  stuff, bbl
[16:49] <hopeishep> GridCube: so, after choosing boot as normal user in grub, anytime then, when the screen blanks on and off, i press ctral alt f1 or f2...
[16:50] <GridCube> mmhm
[16:55] <hopeishep> ill figure it out
[17:06] <m_mynaardt> Hi!  Does anyone know how to contribute a bit of money directly to Xubuntu?  I wanted to pass on a bit of money, but could not figure out how to do that?
[17:07] <GridCube> m_mynaardt, ask at #xubuntu-devel
[17:07] <m_mynaardt> Okay, thanks...
[17:14] <m_mynaardt> exit
[17:14] <m_mynaardt> oops
[17:40] <hopeishep> GridCube: ctrl alt f1 or f2 doesnt do anything: only difference now is that the screen is blank and only shows, tiling, a mouse cursor
[17:41] <GridCube> and if you type there nothing happens?
[17:41] <hopeishep> no I cannot write anything
[17:42] <GridCube> mmm thats bad
[17:42] <hopeishep> GridCube: I I keep ctrl alt f2 pressed down, I can get to read: ubuntu 11.10 and then me in a terminal (jimmy@jimmy) ready to write from it, but it then reverts back to the blank state
[17:43] <hopeishep> Now I got to write "dm", but no sign of being in a terminal, but it still tiles back to blank
[17:43] <GridCube> hopeishep, it seems to be trying to load your xserver
[17:43] <GridCube> and that takes the tty away?
[17:43] <GridCube> maybe?
[17:44] <hopeishep> i have no idea
[17:44] <GridCube> i dont really know anymore :(
[17:49] <hopeishep> can I fresh install xubuntu 11.10 without affecting my data?
[17:50] <GridCube> mmmm
[17:50] <GridCube> i dont really know
[17:51] <hopeishep> GridCube: do you remember the command I used to access xubuntu as root? another chatter suggested it, but I dont remember his name, and the command doenst appear in my terminal
[17:51] <GridCube> if you had your /home as a second partition, i would say, yes, if not then i dont really know
[17:51] <GridCube> startx
[17:51] <hopeishep> that one
[17:51] <GridCube> or xinit
[17:52] <hopeishep> could I stabilize this mess from xubuntu as root?
[17:52] <GridCube> hopeishep, do you have enough free space on your disks?
[17:53] <hopeishep> GridCube: before all this, before getting rid of gnome and kade (which theoretically meant the erasing of 4GB i had 6 GB free space
[17:54] <GridCube> hopeishep, are you logged at the recovery console?
[17:54] <hopeishep> xfce loaded, i can see the screen and icons, but mouse wot work
[17:54] <hopeishep> yes, recovery console, chose root and executed startx
[17:54] <GridCube> open a terminal with alt-f2 xfce4-terminal
[17:54] <hopeishep> alt-f2: run programm...
[17:54] <GridCube> yes
[17:55] <hopeishep> I can even write...
[17:55] <GridCube> o:
[17:55] <GridCube> but you did before
[17:59] <hopeishep> does "waiting for x server to shut down error setting MTRR mean something? I just executed xinit from recovery console, accesssed a terminal and exited
[18:01] <hopeishep> GridCube: this tima startx worked better: mouse works, shows 16.2GB free space
[18:01] <hopeishep> time*
[18:01] <GridCube> ok hopeishep
[18:02] <GridCube> do you have mc installed?
[18:02] <GridCube> its a file manager for the terminal
[18:02] <GridCube> its safer to use it than typing on the terminal while root
[18:03] <GridCube> if you dont have it install it with apt-get install mc
[18:03] <GridCube> and then run it typing mc
[18:03] <hopeishep> im afraid I cannot connect to internet: could not resolve de.archive.ubuntu.com
[18:03] <GridCube> oh
[18:03] <GridCube> but you did earlier?
[18:03] <GridCube> when installing xubuntu-desktop
[18:04] <hopeishep> no GridCube , that was yesterday, I installed xubuntu-desktop before deleting all gnome and kde
[18:04] <GridCube> ok, well try this, but be VERY VERY CAREFUL WHILE TYPING, rm /home/USER/.xinitrc
[18:05] <GridCube> change USER with your user name
[18:05] <hopeishep> ok...
[18:05] <GridCube> im even very afraid of telling you to do this
[18:05] <GridCube> i dont like to use rm
[18:05] <hopeishep> will that erase any of my data? theoretically it should only remove that file
[18:06] <GridCube> yes, but if you leave an space somewhere it could delete more things
[18:07] <hopeishep> only one space between rm and /home...
[18:08] <GridCube> yes
[18:08] <hopeishep> lol: cannot remove it, no such file or direcory
[18:09] <GridCube> hopeishep, did you remount the disk before choosing root?
[18:09] <hopeishep> yes, its the only way
[18:09] <GridCube> mmhm
[18:10] <GridCube> well try with >rm /home/USER/.Xdefaults
[18:11] <hopeishep> same
[18:12] <GridCube> :/
[18:12] <GridCube> do ls -a /home/USER/
[18:13] <hopeishep> hehe, this one works, it shows all my data, directories and files
[18:14] <GridCube> ok
[18:14] <hopeishep> there is a .Xauthority file there
[18:14] <GridCube> so there is no .Xdefaults there?
[18:14] <GridCube> it should
[18:14] <hopeishep> no
[18:14] <hopeishep> there is not
[18:14] <GridCube> mmmhmm
[18:14] <hopeishep> there is a .xsession-errors
[18:14] <hopeishep> there is a .xsession-errors.old
[18:14] <GridCube> yes its a log
[18:15] <GridCube> but you dont have internet to pastebin it
[18:15] <hopeishep> true
[18:15] <GridCube> or do you...
[18:15] <GridCube> try ping www.google.com
[18:15] <GridCube> ctrl-c to stop it
[18:15] <hopeishep> is that what I have to write in the terminal? ping www.google.com?
[18:15] <GridCube> yes
[18:16] <hopeishep> unknown host
[18:16] <GridCube> ok no internets
[18:16] <GridCube> hopeishep, delete the .Xautorithy one
[18:17] <GridCube> hopeishep, do >ls /etc/X11/
[18:17] <Marzata> Xubuntu 10.04.4 (Lucid Lynx) ?
[18:17] <hopeishep> rm /home/jimmy/.Xauthority
[18:17] <GridCube> yes
[18:17] <hopeishep> do I have to do the ls part before or after removing xauthority?
[18:17] <GridCube> whenever
[18:18] <GridCube> see if you have an xorg.conf file on /etc/X11/
[18:18] <hopeishep> deletted...
[18:18] <hopeishep> wait going for ls part
[18:18] <GridCube> if you do delete it too
[18:19] <GridCube> then reboot, stuff should be automagically regenerated
[18:19]  * GridCube crossfingers
[18:19] <GridCube> also bbl, food time
[18:19] <hopeishep> GridCube: there is a xorg.conf
[18:20] <hopeishep> removing it
[18:20] <hopeishep> GridCube: rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:20] <hopeishep> removed
[18:21] <hopeishep> rebooting part
[18:25] <hopeishep> GridCube: rebooted, trying to log in, now I see a lubuntu intro
[18:25] <hopeishep> and then the usual blank screen
[18:38] <hopeishep> now I have 18.7GB free space
[18:41] <GridCube> hopeishep, if you have that much free space you can download an installation cd and install it using the autoresize option to install it alongside and hopefully this all will be in your past
[18:41] <hopeishep> GridCube: i really dont understand my craptop: 30.3GB free space now
[18:41] <GridCube> D:
[18:41] <hopeishep> f5 as reload doesnt work in kubuntu, does it?
[18:42] <GridCube> i don't know what that means
[18:42] <phper> hi ... in a virtual machine on mac the  { } keys work, but not like like 'the mac way', i want the same keyboard settings like on mac... i tried the Macintosh keyboard setting but that didn't work either.. :D
[18:42] <hopeishep> nevermind
[18:42] <phper> how can I make that work?
[18:42] <GridCube> phper, vbox?
[18:42] <phper> virtualbox yes
[18:43] <GridCube> phper, ask at #vbox
[18:43] <phper> ok
[18:43] <GridCube> you will get better help than here
[18:43] <GridCube> hopeishep,
[18:44] <hopeishep> im starting to be scared now: free space increases by the minute...
[18:44] <GridCube> now you see a lubuntu intro you said?
[18:44] <GridCube> D:
[18:44] <GridCube> hopeishep, reboot
[18:45] <hopeishep> 54.4 GB free space...
[18:45] <GridCube> D:
[18:45] <GridCube> how are you getting this numbers?
[18:45] <hopeishep> GridCube: yes, if I boot is as a regular user, I get a lubuntu 11.10 introductory screen
[18:47] <GridCube> if you get to that then you should be able to do a ctrl-alt-F[1-6] to get to the ttys
[18:47] <hopeishep> GridCube: I clicked on file to check if my data is still there, and it seems to be, but everyitime I click on another directory, the number of free space increased but almosy a GB...
[18:47] <hopeishep> like that unitl 54GB
[18:47] <GridCube> O_o you can filebrowse?
[18:48] <GridCube> also hopeishep if you do >df -H
[18:48] <GridCube> it should give you a summary of your freespace and used space and all that
[18:48] <hopeishep> GridCube: I can filebrowse in xubuntu IF i log in as root executing starx from recovery mode. Ill be in as root, but my FF favourites are gone, and I cannot play media, nor can I connect to internet
[18:48] <hopeishep> FF contacts are backuped though
[18:52] <hopeishep> holy, df -H shows 59GB free space
[18:53] <GridCube> :P well, you knew that already didnt you
[18:53] <hopeishep> ill try to get to the ttys now...
[18:53] <GridCube> :)
[18:53] <GridCube> if you can then theres hope
[18:54] <nabukadnezar43> anyone uses bumblebee here for nvidia optimus?
[18:54] <GridCube> nope
[18:55] <nabukadnezar43> good, i'm trying it after the setup comletes
[18:55] <nabukadnezar43> *completes
[18:55] <nabukadnezar43> right now i'm doing a system update, then i'll update xorg and install bumblebee
[18:55] <hopeishep> GridCube: fail, same blank-text appearing and disappearing - blank - text... all over again
[18:56] <hopeishep> GridCube: lets say I download xubuntu 11.10 to a usb stick fat32 in this windows machine
[18:56] <GridCube> hopeishep, use unetbooting and create a booteable usb
[18:56] <hopeishep> given that I have 59GB free space... could I make a partition and install xubuntu 11.10 in this partition?
[18:56] <GridCube> yes
[18:56] <nabukadnezar43> yes, you can
[18:57] <GridCube> my usual / is 15gb
[18:57] <hopeishep> GridCube: how would that affect the so precious data I need to have?
[18:57] <GridCube> and i never get to 50% of it
[18:57] <hopeishep> my pdf, mp4, doc, odt...
[18:57] <GridCube> holstein, hopefully, it shouldnt affect it at all
[18:58] <GridCube> HOPEFULY
[18:58] <nabukadnezar43> i'm installing xubuntu only on my laptop
[18:58] <nabukadnezar43> it has a 500 gb hdd
[18:58] <hopeishep> hopefully doenst sound as a 100% guarantee that it wont f*ck it...
[18:58] <hopeishep> crap
[18:58] <GridCube> hopeishep, i have never had a problem
[18:59] <knome> hopeishep, please watch the language
[18:59] <GridCube> but i cannot waranty you anything, i would do it if its worth anything
[18:59] <nabukadnezar43> does x follow xfce power manager settings in xubuntu?
[18:59] <nabukadnezar43> or do i need to edit all of them with xset?
[19:03] <hopeishep> no usb atm, must use 800mb cd
[19:03] <hopeishep> can you paste a link with instructions for this particular case? I do have to first, create the partition, dont I?
[19:04] <GridCube> hopeishep, when you install it asks you if you want to install it to the whole disk or if you want to use free space to install it, its pretty obvious and simple
[19:04] <nabukadnezar43> you can also manually edit the partition table
[19:05] <GridCube> yes
[19:05] <GridCube> that too
[19:05] <mongy> hopeishep: ise vmware or virtualbox and install in there so you get a feel for it first without hosing anything
[19:05] <nabukadnezar43> it has gui, don't worry
[19:05] <mongy> use*
[19:05] <babble> If you want /home on its own partition or similar, you can do that from the Ubiquity installer - choose Something Else ... at the installation screen and set up your install paritions as you like.
[19:05] <GridCube> babble, he should not do that
[19:06] <GridCube> not until he deletes all the config files that are messing with his system
[19:06] <babble> GridCube: I've been running my system from a Ubiquity install just exactly this way -
[19:06] <babble> ahh. If he's having config issues, sure, that's an issue.
[19:06] <GridCube> he should get a working install and then he can mount his other partition as /home at fstab
[19:06] <hopeishep> aa, how cool GridCube
[19:07] <babble> doing it manually is doable, but a bit headscratchy until you've done it a couple of times.
[19:07] <babble> it's not difficult, once you wrap your head around it
[19:07] <GridCube> hopeishep, if its worht anything i do it all the time, autoresize i mean, for the ISO testings and i have never had a problem
[19:08] <hopeishep> looks like I dont have much choice here GridCube ...
[19:08] <GridCube> hopeishep, its your choice in any case, you could also get a secondary hd and install over it
[19:09] <GridCube> :P
[19:10] <hopeishep> GridCube: MUST give to damn teacher LONG thesis on monday or I wont pass the course
[19:10] <hopeishep> not course... grade?
[19:10] <GridCube> :P
[19:10] <hopeishep> subject if you like
[19:10] <GridCube> hopeishep, should work.
[19:12] <hopeishep> desktop or alternate install?
[19:12] <GridCube> wichever you like the most, desktop has pretty gui
[19:13] <GridCube> alternate is faster
[19:13] <knome> GridCube, btw, how much faster it is?
[19:13] <knome> GridCube, i could imagine not a lot, but what do i know :)
[19:14] <GridCube> not much, but you get to the installer faster than loading the gui on slower machines
[19:14] <knome> true
[19:14] <GridCube> and it also depends on the internet
[19:14] <knome> hehe, sure
[19:14] <knome> but if you compare desktop<>alt on the same machine... that shouldn't make any difference ;)
[19:15] <GridCube> mmm no, thats right, but i do like alternate better
[19:15] <nabukadnezar43> how is alternate faster? why?
[19:16] <nabukadnezar43> it doesn't ship with same apps? i didn't know that
[19:16] <GridCube> nabukadnezar43, it doesnt load x to the machine
[19:16] <GridCube> then its has more ram and resources to do the installs
[19:16] <nabukadnezar43> what do you mean? you don't have GUI? DEs or WMs?
[19:18] <hopeishep> recommended size of the partition for xubuntu in my particular machine with 60GB free space? its a 2GB RAM 2core intel centrino
[19:18] <nabukadnezar43> ohhh i see it doesn't load x during installation
[19:18] <nabukadnezar43> final result is same i guess
[19:20] <ikonia> use as much or as little disk space as you feel you need
[19:22] <GridCube> hopeishep, use like 20gb and you will never worry about it again
[19:29] <hopeishep> is 10GB very little for xubuntu?
[19:29] <hopeishep> partition I mean
[19:30] <Marzata> holstein: for a normal use, no
[19:30] <babble> hopeishep: I run a 50gb system partition that's got about 35-40 gb free at the moment.
[19:30] <babble> but I don't keep a huge apt package archive, or things like that, so your mileage may vary
[19:30] <mongy> alternate is just the installer, it's still the same installation at the end.
[19:31] <nabukadnezar43-l> man i really love ubuntu, xubuntu
[19:31] <nabukadnezar43-l> it was a piece of cake to setup bumblebee nvidia optimus
[19:31] <mongy> unless you choose command line system of course.
[19:32] <Marzata> nabukadnezar43: how did you do that?
[19:32] <nabukadnezar43-l> here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee
[19:32] <nabukadnezar43-l> system update, xorg update, driver update and then followed that wiki
[19:33] <Marzata> nabukadnezar43-l: what pc is that?
[19:33] <nabukadnezar43-l> dell n5110 15r with nvidia 525m
[19:34] <nabukadnezar43-l> i5 2410m processor
[19:34] <nabukadnezar43-l> came with freedos
[19:34] <nabukadnezar43-l> initially i installed windows 7 64-bit because of  lack of optimus support in linux
[19:36] <Marzata> nabukadnezar43-l: what country is that? no free dos pcs here.
[19:36] <nabukadnezar43-l> turkey
[19:36] <Marzata> nabukadnezar43-l: lucky you there
[19:37] <nabukadnezar43-l> yeah, i did search a lot
[19:37] <Marzata> nabukadnezar43-l: what about the battery life?
[19:37] <nabukadnezar43-l> well i haven't used it for a long time
[19:37] <nabukadnezar43-l> i'm using desktop nearly all the time
[19:38] <nabukadnezar43-l> it should last 8-9 hours on intel vga
[19:38] <nabukadnezar43-l> bumblebee disables nvidia card by default
[19:39] <nabukadnezar43-l> it only allow you to use it on demand
[19:39] <Marzata> and with  with nvidia?
[19:39] <nabukadnezar43-l> i never used it with nvidia
[19:39] <nabukadnezar43-l> but my guess would be half the time
[19:40] <Marzata> ah, so
[19:41] <nabukadnezar43-l> but like i said i never used the laptop extensively
[19:41] <nabukadnezar43-l> i'm on my desktop nearly all the time
[19:42] <nabukadnezar43-l> i bought this laptop so i can take it to university with me
[19:42] <nabukadnezar43-l> but i'm home all the time now
[19:42] <nabukadnezar43-l> preparing my master thesis
[19:47] <nabukadnezar43-l> looks like integrated vga can handle 720p videos pretty well
[19:47] <nabukadnezar43-l> even flash videos
[19:51] <cejn> Anyone know why I may be receiving a 5 kb/s connection speed on a 24 mb/s router?
[19:52] <cejn> it's like using the phone socket all over ..
[19:55] <nabukadnezar43-l> what's your connection speed?
[19:56] <nabukadnezar43-l> turn your router off and then on
[19:56] <nabukadnezar43-l> see if it's still slow
[19:57] <nabukadnezar43-l> then log into your router and see the bandwidth you are getting from your isp
[19:58] <cejn> On the network info: 72 Mb/s. already tried restarting router. Other devices are running perfectly fine
[19:58] <cejn> I'm sitting close to the router, nothing blocking is physically
[19:59] <nabukadnezar43-l> 72 mb/s is that what's written on your network manager?
[19:59] <nabukadnezar43-l> or did you look it in your router?
[19:59] <cejn> Oh no. 24 mb/s..
[19:59] <nabukadnezar43-l> open a web browser and login to your router
[19:59] <nabukadnezar43-l> it should be something like 192.168.1.1
[19:59] <cejn> Network settings -> info
[20:00] <cejn> sec
[20:05] <cejn> takes a while to even lok into the router through the browser
[20:06] <nabukadnezar43-l> it should open it right aways
[20:06] <nabukadnezar43-l> *away
[20:06] <nabukadnezar43-l> since you are connecting to your router through local network
[20:08] <cejn> it's still not..weird
[20:09] <nabukadnezar43-l> i'll be back need to reboot
[20:12] <nabukadnezar43-l> cejn you should check your physical connection
[20:12] <nabukadnezar43-l> cables, modem etc.
[20:13] <cejn> it's strange. it's working on my Windows laptop and other computers in the house
[20:13] <cejn> it worked perfectly at full speed at home, but now I'm at my parents'
[20:16] <cejn> I'm using a PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection on Xubuntu 11.10
[20:17] <cejn> as I mentioned, worked fine at home (100 Mb/s), works crap at my parents' house (24 Mb/s). I can barely load anything
[20:19] <nabukadnezar43-l> then it's not driver or os related
[20:19] <nabukadnezar43-l> most probably something physical is causing it
[20:19] <nabukadnezar43-l> something like a cable
[20:23] <cejn> On the router/modem? I'm using Wireless
[20:30] <cejn> i'll keep looking for solutions. sucks not being able to do anything on the laptop, shows how much I depend on internet
[20:30] <cejn> thanks nabukanezar
[20:48] <cejn> YES! Solved it through modprobe.
[20:48] <cejn> God it's like walking again from being immobilized
[20:57] <nabukadnezar43-l> nice
[20:57] <nabukadnezar43-l> hahaha
[21:18] <helpinstall> can you please paste a link with instructions about how to make a livecd from a xubuntu.iso copy in windows?
[21:24] <yhelphelp> hi
[21:25] <yhelphelp> i have an .iso copy. If I burn it into a cd, next time I boot it, will it be automatically loaded?
[21:25] <knome> helpinstall, you can use pretty much any burning software to burn a cd from the iso
[21:26] <knome> yhelphelp, you only need one irc instance though...
[21:26] <knome> yhelphelp, make sure you burn it "from an image file"
[21:26] <yhelphelp> im helpinstall , I re logged in because what I wrote wasnt recognized
[21:26] <knome> yhelphelp, what burning software are you using?
[21:26] <knome> yhelphelp, it was recognized, it just takes time to answer sometimes (we're all volunteers)
[21:26] <yhelphelp> knome: no idea, im a windows noob too
[21:27] <yhelphelp> knome: I dont mean individual answers, I mean I typed and text didnt appear on screen
[21:27] <knome> yhelphelp, okay, what burning software do you have installed?
[21:27] <knome> okay, right. weird...
[21:27] <mongy> yhelphelp: imgburn is free and works fine burning isos
[21:27] <mongy> hell, it does more than most linux burning s/w and better, but hey.
[21:27] <yhelphelp> i see a nero smart start
[21:28] <knome> yhelphelp, if you run it, do you see a button saying "burn image to disc" ?
[21:28] <yhelphelp> but what I mean: from an .iso file I only need to burn it into a cd, right?
[21:28] <yhelphelp> no command line, no extracting...
[21:29] <knome> yhelphelp, that's right. but don't burn the file into a "data" disc
[21:29] <knome> yhelphelp, you need to use a mode that burns the .iso contents into the disc
[21:29] <knome> yhelphelp, once you burn a disc like that, you will see many files in the disc
[21:29] <yhelphelp> burn data disk is not what i need...
[21:30] <knome> no. you need to burn image to disc
[21:31] <yhelphelp> i dont see any
[21:31] <nabukadnezar43-l> open nero express
[21:31] <nabukadnezar43-l> ->image,project,copy
[21:32] <nabukadnezar43-l> ->disc image or saved project
[21:32] <nabukadnezar43-l> select the iso and burn it at lowest speed
[21:32] <yhelphelp> i see it nabukadnezar43-l
[21:32] <nabukadnezar43-l> after burning completes go to your bios
[21:32] <nabukadnezar43-l> and make sure you boot from cd
[21:33] <yhelphelp> it is still downloading... stuck at 97%
[21:36] <Kitsoran> stuck at burning?could be finishing up but asince its been a few minutes sinc e you said anything maybe the disc aint any good. if its still stuck. anything going on?
[21:37] <knome> "still downloading"
[21:37] <yhelphelp> no, stuck at downloading...
[21:44] <yhelphelp> if I stop a download in windows and resume it, will it start from scratch or continue? still stuck at 97%
[21:44] <babble> it depends on your browser and the server it's coming from - short answer is: maybe.
[21:44] <babble> heh
[21:45] <yhelphelp> im gonna quit IE, just to check...
[21:45] <Kitsoran> Internet Explorer/Firefox I believe it'll start over.
[21:45] <Kitsoran> If it doesn't progress after a bit and you have a good connection I'd just start over.
[21:46] <yhelphelp> cant I pause it and keep downloading? Ive done that with ff on linux
[21:46] <Kitsoran> Some software can resume on servers that support it.
[21:46] <babble> (is yhelphelp still downloading an Ubuntu ISO? is it worth trying a bittorrent download if all else fails?)
[21:46] <yhelphelp> does transmission work on windows?
[21:47] <babble> I *believe* there's a port of transmission for Windows. if not, there are a dozen other torrent clients.
[21:47] <Kitsoran> I think someone made a qt based build on windows.
[21:47] <babble> let me see if Transmission is available tho.
[21:47] <GridCube> utorrent yhelphelp
[21:47] <Kitsoran> I prefer uTorrent on windows.
[21:47] <GridCube> its like 90kb
[21:48] <GridCube> or used to be
[21:48] <knome> heh ;)
[21:48] <babble> okay, there's uTorrent, of course, an unofficial port of Transmission, and plain-vanilla Bittorrent (the official client)
[21:48] <babble> http://www.bittorrent.com/downloads
[21:48] <babble> and dozens of others, of course.
[21:50] <GridCube> or you could like, zsync for windows :D https://www.assembla.com/spaces/zsync-windows/documents
[21:51] <yhelphelp> ok, utorrent download...
[21:51] <yhelphelp> couple of hours more...
[21:52] <babble> bittorrent clients aren't particularly large.
[21:52] <GridCube> nope
[21:52] <GridCube> yhelphelp, it should get faster soon
[21:53] <yhelphelp> babble: please confirm that, once I make the livecd with nero, and insert it in my broken linux machin it will automatically boot, and I can, from there, selecto to make a 20gb partition without deleting anything else...
[21:53] <Kitsoran> Afaik the newest version of uT doesn't open the speedguide on first start, so give it a ctrl+g if needed to set the bandwidth limits. It goes by upload.
[21:53] <GridCube> recently it was reported a 2MB/s download for xubuntu :P
[21:54] <babble> it will automatically boot, if your PC's BIOS is set to look for a bootable system on the optical drive first (some are, some aren't)
[21:54] <yhelphelp> i think mine is...
[21:54] <babble> if you can get to a desktop on the LiveCD, yes, you can repartition the drive nondestructively *provided* you have enough free space to move everything around.
[21:54] <GridCube> else f12 usually leads to the boot option menu
[21:54] <babble> How much space is used on the disk in question, and how much free space?
[21:55] <yhelphelp> babble: you mean the cd-rom? 85GB free space (I was thinking about a 20GB partition for xubuntu, as you suggested), would mean 65GB free space
[21:55] <yhelphelp> 85GB for my machine, obviously
[21:56] <yhelphelp> sorry, I sometimes dont read...
[21:56] <yhelphelp> let me check...
[21:57] <babble> No, the hard disk you want to make a 20gb install partition on
[21:57] <babble> as I was saying earlier, you need to have enough free space to move everything around IF you want to repartition nondestructively
[21:57] <babble> if this is still the drive with 150gb of data you can't back up and you only have 70 or 80 gigs free, there's no guarantee it won't fail.
[21:58] <yhelphelp> im recounting...
[21:58] <babble> that's why I was suggesting going the OTHER direction and making a smallish partition and moving the stuff you can't back up over to that in increments
[21:58] <babble> and then resizing that partition as you go
[21:58] <yhelphelp> 90.2GB free space now
[21:59] <babble> the issue isn't x amount of free space.
[21:59] <babble> you need AT LEAST as much free space as the size of the data you actually want to preserve.
[21:59] <babble> plus everything else that's on the drive.
[21:59] <babble> in order to move EVERYTHING around and make a new partition nondestructively
[22:01] <babble> since you can't guarantee that you have enough disk space to move everything around, necessarily, and you can't come up with a way to back up the files you want to keep, your BEST possible bet at this point is to make a small partition, move some /home files over, and then progressively resize that partition as you verify that your copies are okay
[22:02] <yhelphelp> looks overwehlming from the POV of a noob
[22:02] <GridCube> its not
[22:02] <babble> it's not, it's just that you have data you haven't backed up and you want a guarantee that nothing will go wrong
[22:02] <babble> so that necessarily complicates things
[22:05] <babble> nowly: unless you have loads of huge files in that 150~gb dataset, it's possible, even likely, that a straight ahead repartition will work just fine.
[22:05] <babble> but again, absent a good backup, I'm not guaranteeing that
[22:05] <yhelphelp> I hope to have understood it correctly: I should make a small partition NOW, as root, and move the files I want to keep there...
[22:05] <babble> it depends entirely on how much work you want to do
[22:06] <GridCube> yhelphelp, not needed
[22:06] <babble> if you want to go for broke and make a new system/install partition, tell me the relative sizes of the files in the 140-150gb data set that you want to keep.
[22:06] <babble> if you have multigigabyte disk images or movies or something, that may be trouble.
[22:07] <babble> if you have boatloads of small files, that's likely no problem.
[22:07] <babble> (and no, not as root, necessarily)
[22:09] <GridCube> yhelphelp, if you load the livecd and use the gparted program, you can resize the disks and leave a 20gb partition, then install to that partition, the other one should appear on the desktop later as a disk
[22:15] <yhelphelp> babble: i hope not to be redundant with this: 112GB of data I want to keep (including files up to 200 MB) and 97.4GB free space. Could you walk me through partition in increments?
[22:15] <babble>  again, how many large, multigigabyte files in that set you want to keep do you have?
[22:16] <babble> if you have mostly small, muti*megabyte* and smaller files, it will repartition just fine (again, I'm not giving you an absolute guarantee, but I've done this myself loads of times)
[22:16] <yhelphelp> multygigabyte... none
[22:16] <babble> if you have large multigigabyte files that can't fit into the size of the smaller partition you want to make, that may cause issues.
[22:16] <GridCube> s/loads/lots/? babble ?
[22:16] <yhelphelp> multimegabyte... hundreds
[22:17] <babble> then cross your eyes and toes and just make a new partition to install a new system on once you get to a desktop
[22:17] <yhelphelp> in the 100-200MB range
[22:17] <babble> and if it borks, back up your files next time.
[22:17] <babble> but again, so long as the individual files can fit into the size of the partition you're making, it should have enough room to move everything around.
[22:18] <knome> yhelphelp, please pay attention, babble clearly referred to multi*giga*byte files
[22:18] <yhelphelp> knome: yes i realized that: no GIGAbyte files, lots of multi MEGA bytes files (in the 100-200MB range)
[22:19] <babble> for reference, I've done this and stupidly eaten things like my VirtualBox disk images
[22:19] <babble> but in that case, we're talking about moving a 20gb file around to make a 20 or 30gb partition.
[22:20] <babble> but again, absent a backup, I can't absolutely guarantee you that you'll lose NOTHING.
[22:20] <yhelphelp> babble: so what I have to do in the correct order is: a) insert livecd b) let it boot c)I will be asked to make a partition in which to install xubuntu
[22:20] <babble> if it were me, I'd use Gparted from the Xubuntu liveCD and make a new partition in there.
[22:21] <yhelphelp> a, didnt know xubuntu livecd had gparted...
[22:21] <yhelphelp> ok
[22:21] <babble> unless you're very comfortable working in the installer, IMO Gparted is easier to follow
[22:22] <babble> but yes, boot from cd, launch GParted, make a new 20gb partition and then run the installer and install a clean system on that
[22:22] <babble> once you can boot fully to a desktop on that new partition, you can come back and one of us can walk you through mounting your old /home on the old partition so the new system can see it
[22:23] <GridCube> if he makes the new partition at the end of the previous one, it will be even safer
[22:23] <GridCube> because most of the data would already be at the begining of the partition
[22:27] <yhelphelp> 1st cd I ever burn...
[22:27] <babble> did you finally get a full image to download?
[22:27] <yhelphelp> hahahah, yes
[22:27] <yhelphelp> finally
[22:29] <yhelphelp> 115.2 free space now, curious
[22:29] <yhelphelp> GB
[22:30] <babble> stuff in /tmp probably.
[22:30] <babble> don't sweat it
[22:30] <yhelphelp> what does dont sweat it mean?
[22:30] <yhelphelp> dont pay attention to it?
[22:30] <babble> don't worry about it
[22:30] <yhelphelp> ok
[22:31] <yhelphelp> is that a californian expression?
[22:31] <babble> I suppose. hehe.
[22:33] <yhelphelp> livecd is done.. apparently
[22:33] <babble> one way to tell for certain.
[22:34] <yhelphelp> it worked, I was prompted to install xubuntu on windows
[22:34] <GridCube> dont
[22:34] <GridCube> :D
[22:34] <yhelphelp> lol
[22:34] <babble> did you load the wubi installer or something?
[22:35] <GridCube> babble, autorun
[22:35] <yhelphelp> no, I just inserted the cd
[22:35] <yhelphelp> loooks good: xubuntu cd loaded in crappy linux machine
[22:35] <yhelphelp> language: english
[22:35] <GridCube> good
[22:36] <babble> you want to boot to a desktop (Try Xubuntu without installing from the boot screen)
[22:36] <yhelphelp> install xubuntu, right?
[22:36] <GridCube> now try without installing
[22:36] <yhelphelp> trying without installing
[22:36] <babble> no, as I said earlier, you want to boot to a desktop and use GParted, unless you know what you're doing in the installer.
[22:36] <babble> it's straightforward, but again, IMO GParted is easier.
[22:36] <yhelphelp> sorry babble
[22:36] <babble> but do what works for you
[22:37] <babble> if you're booting to a desktop, tell me when you get to the LiveCD desktop.
[22:37] <GridCube> using gparted he can choose from where to take space, autoresize might take the begining of the partition and would try to move a gazillion files to do so
[22:41] <yhelphelp> strange: I see a xubuntu 11.10 introductory screen with 5 dots on and off, but nothing else, plus the cd reader makes strange noises...
[22:41] <babble> it's loading.
[22:41] <babble> just give it time.
[22:41] <yhelphelp> for 2 straigh minutes?
[22:41] <yhelphelp> 3*
[22:41] <GridCube> 15, 30
[22:41] <babble> it's possible, sure.
[22:42] <yhelphelp> u, ok...
[22:42] <babble> it depends on several things (the age and speed of the optical drive, etc.)
[22:42] <GridCube> the ram space
[22:42] <GridCube> the temporal schism
[22:42] <yhelphelp> optical drive is 3 years old...
[22:43] <babble> again, it's entirely possible that it'll take a couple of minutes to boot all the way to a desktop.
[22:43] <babble> remember, you're booting to a useable system on read-only media.
[22:43] <babble> it has to do some juggling to get it all to work.
[22:43] <babble> let it do its thing.
[22:44] <babble> if it stays at the dot-screen for longer than 5 mins, you've got something else going on.
[22:46] <babble> if it switches to the Plymouth screen (you'll see a blue background with a Xubuntu logo and a back & forth progress indicator), you're okay
[22:46] <yhelphelp> 5 minutes now...
[22:46] <babble> it will eventually get to a desktop if you see the Plymouth screen.
[22:46] <babble> I don't think it's been that long.
[22:46] <yhelphelp> ok, waiting 2 more minutes
[22:47] <GridCube> yhelphelp, :P press ctrl-alt-f4 and get to the tty4 that tells you w
[22:47] <babble> are you still on the dot screen?
[22:47] <GridCube> hats going on
[22:49] <yhelphelp> stdin: error 0 and 20 more lines
[22:50] <GridCube> thats tty4
[22:50] <babble> that's okay
[22:50] <yhelphelp> does that mean I have not burned the iso well?
[22:50] <yhelphelp> letme find a digital camera to upload a picture...
[22:51] <babble> no, it means it's looking for a normal root filesystem and hasn't fallen back to the liveCD boot yet
[22:51] <babble> it's most likely fine.
[22:52] <yhelphelp> and failedo to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: no such file or directory?
[22:52] <babble> you'll see a few error messages
[22:52] <yhelphelp> so is that normal?
[22:52] <babble> again, it's booting a useable system on *read only* media.
[22:52] <babble> it's normal.
[22:52] <yhelphelp> as you can see im an absolute noob
[22:52] <GridCube> yhelphelp, very normal
[22:52] <GridCube> yhelphelp, i've waited up to 20 minutes for it to work
[22:53] <babble> it's looking for a regular root filesystem and it will eventually fall back to the CD's runnable mountable filesystem
[22:53] <yhelphelp> GridCube: in my case it was ctrl alt f6
[22:54] <GridCube> :P
[22:54] <yhelphelp> unless it was so slow it really was f4 but it changed when i was pressing f6
[22:54] <GridCube> try again
[22:54] <GridCube> :P
[23:02] <yhelphelp> still loading
[23:03] <GridCube> mmm whats the tty saying?
[23:07] <babble> it likely shouldn't take THIS long.
[23:07] <babble> it's possible it's a bad CD
[23:07] <babble> have you tried making a bootable USB thumb drive for this machine already?
[23:07] <yhelphelp> babble: I dont have any available
[23:08] <babble> well, of course not.
[23:08] <yhelphelp> lol
[23:08] <yhelphelp> i really need to buy a hdd
[23:08] <yhelphelp> im checking disc for defects
[23:09] <yhelphelp> at least now I can see the welcoming screen
[23:09] <babble> have you ever booted this machine from CD? Even to boot a Windows installer?
[23:09] <yhelphelp> babble: ubnutu 11.04 I believe, then I just upgraded when 11.10 appeared
[23:10] <yhelphelp> 12.04 the same
[23:10] <nabukadnezar43> how can i monitor temperature of my gpu and cpu?
[23:10] <babble> okay, so the drive is theoretically working.
[23:10] <yhelphelp> sorry, disregard the last line
[23:10] <nabukadnezar43> lmsensors?
[23:10] <babble> nabukadnezar43: install lmsensors, then run sudo sensors-detect and let it walk through the available sensors on your machine.
[23:10] <yhelphelp> ill leet you know when it ends checking
[23:10] <babble> it will want to add modules to your module config
[23:11] <babble> once that's done, you can run sensors at the commandline or use the Sensor Viewer applet to see sensor output
[23:11] <nabukadnezar43> i see, thanks babble
[23:12] <yhelphelp> press any key to reboot your system, no error messages
[23:12] <babble> try booting with ACPI off
[23:13] <yhelphelp> babble: how do I do that?
[23:13] <babble> there's an fkey at the boot screen.
[23:14] <babble> give a moment, I'll get it for you
[23:14] <yhelphelp> a f6 right
[23:14] <yhelphelp> acpi=off
[23:14] <yhelphelp> noapic
[23:14] <yhelphelp> nolapic
[23:15] <yhelphelp> an x appeared before acpi=off babble
[23:15] <babble> okay
[23:15] <babble> try booting with acpi off.
[23:15] <yhelphelp> xubuntu without installin, right?
[23:15] <yhelphelp> or boot from first hard disk?
[23:16] <babble> ideally, it would be easier to do this from a desktop, yes, as the debian/text installer isn't exactly as easy to use
[23:16] <babble> but again, you do what works for you
[23:16] <babble> boot from first hard disk will just try to boot from the broken system that's already on your drive.
[23:17] <yhelphelp> disabling irq #29
[23:18] <babble> is this console output as it's trying to boot?
[23:18] <yhelphelp> timeout: killling /sbin(modprobe
[23:18] <yhelphelp> timeout: killling /sbin/modprobe
[23:18] <babble> (but again, if you've booted an 11.04 installer on this machine, it shouldn't have trouble booting an 11.10 CD)
[23:19] <yhelphelp> yes...
[23:19] <yhelphelp> wait, xubuntu 11.10 with 5 dots on and off, but with very simple graphics
[23:19] <babble> that's the dot screen I was asking about earlier.
[23:19] <yhelphelp> no graphics at all, its just text and dots
[23:20] <babble> it'll hang there for a little bit while it tries to sort out what can drive your display and some other low level stuff.
[23:20] <yhelphelp> ok...
[23:30] <nabukadnezar43> # Generated by sensors-detect on Sun Apr  1 02:27:37 2012 # Chip drivers coretemp
[23:30] <yhelphelp> now the screen is absolutely blank: ctrl alt f1 to 5 wont do anything...
[23:30] <nabukadnezar43> babble, this is my /etc/modules
[23:30] <yhelphelp> I turnted to read a linux mint article and this happens...
[23:30] <babble> nabukadnezar43: the last item it will ask you is if you want to add that module to your modules config in /etc/modules.
[23:30] <babble> let it write that to your modules.
[23:30] <nabukadnezar43> i added it
[23:30] <babble> then do sudo modprobe coretemp to load that module now without rebooting.
[23:31] <nabukadnezar43> i did "service module-init-tools start"
[23:31] <babble> that works, too.
[23:31] <nabukadnezar43> and then ran "sensors"
[23:31] <babble> and...?
[23:31] <nabukadnezar43> the "core temp" line
[23:31] <nabukadnezar43> is it the only change in my etc/modules
[23:32] <nabukadnezar43> there are two more lines
[23:32] <nabukadnezar43> lp and rtc
[23:32] <babble> if coretemp is loaded into the kernel, you'll see cpu temps reported by coretemp
[23:32] <nabukadnezar43> yes i got that
[23:33] <nabukadnezar43> # This file contains the names of kernel modules that should be loaded # at boot time, one per line. Lines beginning with "#" are ignored. lp rtc
[23:33] <nabukadnezar43> i'm asking these lines
[23:33] <babble> did sensors detect write those lines as well?
[23:33] <nabukadnezar43> i don't know that's why i'm asking
[23:33] <nabukadnezar43> probably not
[23:33] <babble> it will be clearly marked if it did
[23:34] <babble> open /etc/modules in your text editor
[23:34] <babble> if it DID, load everything it wrote to that file (i.e. sudo modprobe coretemp lp rtc)
[23:34] <nabukadnezar43> i pasted those lines from /etc/modules
[23:35] <babble> it will have a marker in the file saying that the following lines were written by lm-sensors.
[23:35] <babble> whatever ELSE is in there was already loaded at boot
[23:35] <babble> all you need to do is load whatever lm-sensors JUST added.
[23:35] <babble> that or reboot your machine.
[23:35] <nabukadnezar43> i see let me do it
[23:36] <nabukadnezar43> sudo modprobe coretemp lp rtc returned this
[23:36] <nabukadnezar43> FATAL: Error inserting coretemp (/lib/modules/3.0.0-17-generic/kernel/drivers/hwmon/coretemp.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[23:37] <babble> don't try to load modules OUTSIDE of the dashed lines that were already there.
[23:38] <babble> try sudo modprobe -r coretemp && sudo modprobe coretemp
[23:38] <nabukadnezar43> i tried to modprobe them all at once
[23:38] <babble> some of those were already loaded at boot, as I said.
[23:39] <babble> that or just reboot your machine.
[23:39] <nabukadnezar43> http://paste.ubuntu.com/909465/
[23:39] <babble> yes, as I said, the other two have nothing to do with lm-sensors.
[23:39] <nabukadnezar43> i could read the cpu temp
[23:40] <nabukadnezar43> ok thanks
[23:40] <babble> if you actually read what the file is telling you, it's clearly marked that all lm-sensors wants to use is coretemp
[23:41] <nabukadnezar43> well it only added one line which is "coretemp" but it asked for 4 operations
[23:41] <nabukadnezar43> i guess others weren't present in the pc
[23:41] <babble> it's looking at a range of devices on your motherboard
[23:41] <babble> not all of them will return useful information to lm-sensors.
[23:42] <babble> it just scans your entire system bus and tries to do something useful with whatever it finds.
[23:42] <babble> in the end, the one kernel module that can tell lm-sensors anything about your hardware is coretemp (this isn't unusual)
[23:43] <nabukadnezar43> i wanted to monitor my integrated vgas temperature
[23:43] <nabukadnezar43> but it didn't return anything for it
[23:43] <nabukadnezar43> is it integrated in the cpu?
[23:43] <babble> what's your machine? (it's likely integrated into the CPU)
[23:44] <babble> that's what 'integrated video' means, after all ;)
[23:44] <nabukadnezar43> dell n5110 with nvidia optimus
[23:44] <nabukadnezar43> nvidia card is off anyway, lm-sensors won't detect it i guess
[23:45] <babble> if the card is off, then no, lm-sensors won't return any values for it
[23:46] <babble> if you have a linux compatible driver for that nvidia card, you may try enabling it and running sensors-detect again
[23:46] <babble> (but it's likely not going to report anything useful to lm-sensors)
[23:46] <nabukadnezar43> i installed bumblebee, it turns off nvidia card by default
[23:46] <nabukadnezar43> i can run it only on demand
[23:46] <babble> (there may be an nvidia utility that will report GPU temps, but I under linux, but I don't know for certain)
[23:46] <nabukadnezar43> with "optirun <software>"
[23:47] <yhelphelp> trying xubuntu from the cd without installing for the second time, now I get to see the xubuntu intro screen (blue and dark bluce background) and a white line moving from left to right... will it work now?
[23:47] <babble> that's the plymouth loading screen I was talking about
[23:47] <babble> if you've gotten to Plymouth it will eventually boot to a desktop
[23:47] <yhelphelp> I really hope its  a sign that things work
[23:47] <babble> it sounds like you're running on a very very slow optical drive.
[23:48] <babble> nabukadnezar43: it may be worth trying to rerun sensors-detect with the discrete gpu enabled.
[23:48] <nabukadnezar43> let me try
[23:48] <yhelphelp> kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init!
[23:48] <yhelphelp> panic occurred, switching back to text console
[23:48] <yhelphelp> the rest of the message is a call trace
[23:49] <babble> have you ever actually booted this machine from cd?
[23:49] <yhelphelp> yes, whith 11.04
[23:50] <babble> well, there's nothing huge that changed from 11.04 to 11.10 at least as far as the LiveCD setup is concerned.
[23:50] <yhelphelp> but your insistence makes me doubt
[23:50] <babble> you may have a failing optical drive, or a bad burn or something.
[23:51] <nabukadnezar43> babble: it added another line which is identical to previous one
[23:52] <babble> you can delete the second coretemp line.
[23:52] <nabukadnezar43> ok
[23:52] <babble> there's no reason to try and load it twice.
[23:52] <babble> in this case, your discrete gpu doesn't report anything that lm-sensors knows how to read
[23:52] <nabukadnezar43> i just remember that nvidia card runs in  a different x session when bumblebee is active
[23:52] <babble> there may be an nvidia specific utility that you can use.
[23:52] <nabukadnezar43> maybe that's the reason
[23:53] <babble> don't quote me for a certainty, but running the sensors-detect script should be independent of your x session.
[23:55] <nabukadnezar43> thanks