[00:57] <ali1234> hang on a minute. i recognise that cat.
[00:58] <ali1234> stolen video is stolen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fouFPPFVQw
[01:10] <Azelphur> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ_wXOFQV3M \o/
[05:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Help Needed: Packaging Ubuntu Accomplishments - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/04/01/help-needed-packaging-ubuntu-accomplishments/
[06:57] <dogmatic69> I am running 12.04b2 and after a few hours running I get random white blocks around the screen. normally covering the entire screen
[06:57] <dogmatic69> anyone seen this / know what it is?
[06:58] <dwatkins> Sounds like your graphics card might be getting hot, dogmatic69.
[06:59] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: it hangs around 47'C
[06:59] <dogmatic69> I have 15+ fans in my PC, doubt it is a problem
[07:00] <dogmatic69> it has happened before within 10 minutes of starting
[07:00] <dogmatic69> its almost like a window that does nothing, no buttons etc
[07:00] <dwatkins> Does it happen if you switch off OpenGL / 3D?
[07:01] <dwatkins> that sounds like an OpenGL artifact, something that's drawn and never taken away.
[07:01] <dogmatic69> ye
[07:01] <dogmatic69> exactly
[07:01] <dogmatic69> what would turning that off do?
[07:01] <dogmatic69> what will stop working?
[07:02] <dwatkins> whatever uses opengl, such as cairo
[07:04] <dogmatic69> I am running something like a 9800GT iirc
[07:04] <dwatkins> I assume you have the latest driver
[07:05] <dogmatic69> I have what ever was offered when installing
[07:05] <dogmatic69> 295.20
[07:05] <dogmatic69> x-server 1.11.3
[07:06] <dogmatic69> its the closed source drivers, not std linux ones
[07:06] <dwatkins> try updating them?
[08:38] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:41] <meet> is there any way to get the .deb files of packages installed through software center? i want to install them on an offline system.
[08:44] <daubers> can someone confirm this for me please https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/970666
[08:50] <czajkowski> daubers: not sure what you mean ?
[08:50] <czajkowski> mine look the same
[08:50] <czajkowski> they look normal
[08:50] <czajkowski> is this along the dasher?
[08:50] <daubers> czajkowski: :(
[08:50] <daubers> it's on the sidebar thing
[08:50] <daubers> I've made the icons smaller and now they look rubbish
[08:51] <czajkowski> daubers: http://twitpic.com/944kaj/full
[08:51] <czajkowski> side by side
[08:52] <daubers> yeah, the writer image is all broken up on my one
[08:52] <daubers> looks as if it's a resized bitmap
[08:52] <daubers> i.e. blocky and icky
[08:54] <czajkowski> the green one just looks like an ugly image tbh
[08:54] <czajkowski> large or small
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> http://p.twimg.com/ApYGHjFCMAAwb0l.jpg
[09:00] <Myrtti> I honestly almost wrote to my MEP on the outrage of Xubuntu rebasing to Debian
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: ...
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: because that's something MEPs are involved in
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> http://techlaze.com/2012/03/richard-stallman-to-launch-his-own-fashion-line/
[09:02] <MartijnVdS> also, https://bitbucket.org/spooning/
[09:02] <Myrtti> ie. I was in bed reading Planet Ubuntu and saw knome write about the rebase, and I was getting up from the bed to write a comment of outrage on his blog
[09:02] <Myrtti> when it hit me that it's April 1st
[09:02] <MartijnVdS> :)
[09:31] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> \o AlanBell
[09:37] <popey> mng
[09:38] <popey> daubers: looks related to the bug i filed last night
[09:39] <popey> bug 968702
[09:40] <AlanBell> too many things have bitmap icons still
[09:42]  * czajkowski has a day of emailing lists ahead of her 
[09:43] <czajkowski> god lord we have tons of lists!
[09:45] <AlanBell> bug #970713
[09:47] <meet> will ubuntu 10..10 work better than winxp on 512 mb ram
[09:48] <AlanBell> meet: if you can stuff more ram in then you will enjoy it more. Ram is cheap.
[09:50] <meet> but still. if i dont. than what do u predict?
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> it will work, but it will have to swap a lot
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> which will make it slowe
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> r
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> and, as AlanBell said: you might not enjoy it as much
[09:54] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:54] <czajkowski> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/192300  if someone wants to grow their karma, new person needs some help
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> Nvidia? Not burning my hands on that.
[10:18] <AlanBell> yay, orca is now working well enough for me to file lots of bugs against Ubuntu
[10:18] <brobostigon> :)
[10:25] <popey> fun http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/eyewear
[10:47] <Daviey> popey: I didn't know project Euphemia, HUD projection in glasses was public yet?
[10:51] <spych102> How do i get tab completion in PuTTy?
[10:52] <daubers> popey: it does
[10:56] <spych102> Do I need to install bash?
[10:57] <popey> never used putty on linux, only on windows
[10:58] <spych102> it's my first time, i'm using to control my humax
[10:58] <Daviey> spych102: Don't expect bash completion to work on embedded devices.
[10:59] <spych102> i'll give it a go though' the humax custom firmware so far seems to be the most amazing thing...
[10:59] <popey> yeah, i have a friend who raves about those devices
[11:00] <spych102> it was already pretty good but the webif front end and remote scheduling is so useful.
[11:28] <spych102> to switch shell i tried "chsh", is there anything else i could try?
[11:28] <spych102> because that didn't work
[11:29] <penguin42> how do you mean it didn't work? and what were you trying to change to?
[11:30] <spych102> i was trying to change from sh to bash on a telnet connection to my humax
[11:30] <penguin42> spych102: You mean the shell running on the humax?
[11:31] <mgdm> spych102: just type 'bash', if it's there, it'll work
[11:31] <spych102> ok thanks
[11:31] <spych102> penguin42, yes the shell running on the humax
[11:33] <spych102> it works, i have tab completion on my humax! thanks mgdm
[11:33] <penguin42> spych102: chsh is for changing the login shell
[11:33] <mgdm> spych102: if you used chsh you'll get bash if you log out and in again, probably - if not, just type it :)
[11:34] <spych102> ahhh
[11:35] <spych102> it looks like it's not installed anyway
[11:35] <spych102> i can't think for a use for chsh for a pvr anyway...
[11:36] <penguin42> indeed
[11:39] <spych102> just worked out how to use it on my laptop though
[11:39] <spych102> thanks for the info
[12:00] <spych102> embedded devices are cool, now i want to Telnet into all my home appliances...
[12:01] <mgdm> hehe
[12:01] <mgdm> I have several routers I can do that with
[12:01] <mgdm> nothing especially more interesting than that - I know my TV runs Linux, but I'm not in a hurry to brick it
[12:01] <spych102> if only i could turn the kettle on so that it was boiled by the time i got to the kitchen
[12:02] <mgdm> the only issue with that is filling it :)
[12:03] <spych102> :-D
[12:03] <mgdm> ideally you'd want some kind of mains-fed, tea-making robot
[12:03] <mgdm> or maybe one with a big tank of water
[12:04] <spych102> robots are the future
[12:07] <penguin42> spych102: You can get taps which emit boiling water on demand within a few seconds
[12:09] <spych102> penguin42, i think my espresso machine does that... could be a more sensible solution
[12:10] <penguin42> spych102: Then when it detects your typing slowing down it gives you 2 shots of espresso via a pipe - what could go wrong?
[12:10] <spych102> hehe
[12:14] <zleap> hello
[12:16] <mgdm> afternoon
[12:17] <zleap> how are you
[12:17] <zleap> not long to go
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> and then?
[12:23] <mgdm> not long to go until...?
[12:31] <mgdm> zleap, man, don't leave us in suspense!
[12:42] <bigcalm> Afternoon peeps
[12:44] <zleap> mgdm, i was referinjg to 12.04 release
[12:44] <zleap> sorry
[13:22] <mgdm> ah :) I'd not been paying attention
[13:22] <mgdm> I might do a clean install
[13:22] <mgdm> this was a Karmic box originally, if I remember right
[13:23] <mgdm> various bits have since stopped working (notably the printers)
[13:31] <bigcalm> I fell for xubuntu being based on debian for 12.10
[13:34] <sagaci> tut tut
[13:35] <bigcalm> I know
[13:35] <bigcalm> 5mins of sillyness
[13:38] <Myrtti> bigcalm: so did I
[13:38] <Myrtti> half a minute of outrage and higher blood pressure
[13:42] <bigcalm> :)
[13:42] <bigcalm> I was like "but they would have to stop using the 'ubuntu' name if they did that"
[13:43] <bigcalm> Which is when it dawned on me :)
[13:43] <bigcalm> Myrtti: did you re-tweet it during or after being fooled?
[13:44] <Myrtti> bigcalm: after
[13:44] <bigcalm> Aha, then you fooled me :P
[13:55] <OmNomDeBonBon> Papsmear Cisse is on a hat-trick. You could've got 40/1 on it before the match started.
[14:15] <DJones> OmNomDeBonBon: What were the odds on the goalkeeper being sent off
[14:15] <OmNomDePlume> Hahaha, I knew Reina would flip out as soon as I saw him get tripped.
[14:16] <OmNomDePlume> He's got a temper, that bald idiot.
[14:16] <DJones> I'm sitting here with 2 happy & smiling NUFC fans
[14:16] <OmNomDePlume> I'm texting my LFC fan, this is a good day.
[14:17] <OmNomDePlume> Caroll dives and plays crap, Suarez misses tons of chances, Reina sent off.
[14:18] <DJones> Having driven up to newcastle from the liverpool area before, its a long drive for the LFC fans coming home
[14:20] <OmNomDePlume> Even longer if you take into account the time it takes to hotwire a car these days.
[14:20] <DJones> :)
[14:22] <OmNomDePlume> Why aren't Newcastle peppering Luis Enrique in goal?
[14:22] <OmNomDePlume> Goal difference is going to matter.
[14:24] <bittin> lol: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120402
[14:25] <ali1234> lazy april fools article is lazy
[14:25] <OmNomDePlume> Oh, lol.
[14:25] <OmNomDePlume> I was wondering how they could alienate existing users any more than they did in Gnome 3.
[14:30] <OmNomDePlume> "Pepe Reina has played 183 consecutive league games for Liverpool but he will miss their next three matches in all competitions through suspension. That includes their FA Cup semi-final against Everton." Muahahaha!
[14:55] <mattt> OmNomDePlume: that was weak, i can't stand football for reasons like this
[14:56] <OmNomDePlume> mattt, Perch should've been sent off for trying to get someone sent off. Reina deserved a read for doing that stupid headbutt thing.
[14:56] <OmNomDePlume> *red
[14:57] <OmNomDePlume> And, FWIW, Reina does that kind of thing all the time but usually gets away with it. He should've been red carded against Man Utd, for instance.
[14:58] <mattt> OmNomDePlume: i don't watch football that often, but when i see stuff like that i just can't help shaking my head
[14:59] <mattt> OmNomDePlume: it was stupid, but the song and dance the newcastle player did was kinda embarrassing
[15:04] <OmNomDePlume> Well, to be fair, golden boy Steven Gerrard dives all the time.
[15:05] <OmNomDePlume> mattt, if FIFA introduced retrospective punishments for diving (and, say, doubling punishments where they got someone else carded or sent off) the Perch thing would stop overnight.
[15:22] <OmNomDePlume> Great goal by Van der Vaart. You watching on Sky Sports, mattt?
[15:24] <mattt> yep :P
[15:24] <mattt> OmNomDePlume: honestly, why not do what they do in rugby and go to video replay, i know it breaks up the flow of the game a bit, but it breaks it up less than an incorrectly awarded red card does
[15:26] <OmNomDeBonBon> mattt, all they need is video replays for natural breaks in play. Eg. a player goes down injured, the video assistant sees someone elbows him, the on-field ref gives a red card after viewing the evidence.
[15:27] <OmNomDeBonBon> And technology for decisions which should be instant, eg. offsides and goal line disputes.
[15:27] <mattt> agreed
[15:28] <OmNomDeBonBon> No time lost, no break of play. And much, much more reliable.
[15:29] <OmNomDeBonBon> lol one of the Swansea players is named Angel Rangel.
[15:31] <mattt> :P
[15:31] <mattt> OmNomDeBonBon: where's he from ?
[15:33] <OmNomDeBonBon> He sounds Colombian. Lemme check...
[15:33] <OmNomDeBonBon> Huh, Spanish.
[15:34] <penguin42> hmm, todays Geohash is a bit tricky to get to: http://carabiner.peeron.com/xkcd/map/map.html
[15:35] <mattt> OmNomDeBonBon: my guess was mexican :)
[16:50] <zleap> brb just testing 12,04 beta
[17:59] <penguin42> oh I like: http://www.google.com/js/reallyadvanced.html
[18:27] <zleap> how do i change my uibuntu work group name from
[18:28] <zleap> its currently workgroup need it to match other comptuers on the network
[18:31] <zleap> http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/143/how-to-change-computer-name-in-ubuntu
[18:31] <zleap> does not help with unity
[18:33] <popey> i dont understand the question
[18:33] <popey> work groups are a windows thing
[18:33] <popey> and thus a samba thing
[18:33] <zleap> so how do i do that inubuntu
[18:33] <zleap> ok change hostname
[18:34] <zleap> the above page does not help as there is no system menu
[18:34] <zleap> its not knowing the equivelent terminiolgy
[18:34] <zleap> terminology
[18:34] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/87665/change-hostname-in-ubuntu-without-restart
[18:35] <zleap> ok thanks
[18:35] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/45524/how-to-make-my-ubuntu-show-on-a-windows-workgroup
[18:35] <popey> that was me going to askubuntu and searching for a) hostname, and then b) workgroup
[18:36] <zleap> ok thanks
[18:36] <zleap> i went to the wrong site c
[18:37] <zleap> hmm,  should the hostname be the same on both computers (this is confusing me again)
[18:37] <popey> I would generally always recommend askubuntu above any other site for ubuntu help
[18:37] <zleap> ok
[18:37] <popey> what does your gut say?
[18:37] <popey> do you think two machines should have the same hostname?
[18:37] <zleap> no as hostname is computer name
[18:38] <zleap> so its domain then
[18:38] <zleap> so if both comptuers are on say homenet,  then samba will work (i fixed it ages ago, since done a re-install) and its broken again
[18:38] <popey> i have no idea what you're trying to do
[18:38] <popey> I have multiple ubuntu computers on my lan, they are all in "WORKGROUP"
[18:38] <popey> it all just works
[18:39] <zleap> so how do I change the WORKGROUP bit to something else
[18:39] <popey> 19:35:26 < popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/45524/how-to-make-my-ubuntu-show-on-a-windows-workgroup
[18:40] <popey> the samba config almost certainly sets this
[18:40] <zleap> ok
[18:40] <zleap> i will look at the samba settings
[18:40] <zleap> for some reason ubuntu thinks I am out of ink so i can only print from windows,
[18:40] <zleap> or directly from the printer
[18:41] <zleap> niether of which says I am out of ink, i want to set up windows to share a printer, (which is also on the network)
[18:41] <zleap> so hub / switch thing is connected to 2 computers + 1 printer
[18:42] <zleap> i don't want to have to keep switch video cables around
[18:44] <zleap> ok i think i am getting somewhere
[18:45] <zleap> yay
[18:45] <zleap> ok i can now print from ubuntu - via samba / windows
[18:55] <s0k1n> hello
[18:56] <s0k1n> can somebody help me change the boot priority between ubuntu 11.10 and windows 7?
[18:58] <popey> s0k1n: http://askubuntu.com/questions/100232/change-the-grub-boot-order-for-ubuntu-11-10
[18:59] <s0k1n> i will try it thanks :)
[19:03] <zleap> popey, thanks that would be useful to me too
[19:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Important Speaking Requirements - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/04/01/important-speaking-requirements/
[20:00] <n1md4> kirrus: Are you around?
[20:46] <ali1234> so adobe made their "final" flash release on linux, and it has a trivial bug where it sends U and V planes reversed when playing video with hardware acceleration
[20:47] <AlanBell> the smurf bug
[20:47] <ali1234> exactly
[20:48] <AlanBell> wasn't it when playing without hw accelleration?
[20:48] <ali1234> no
[20:48] <AlanBell> sucky either way really, but I think that is suckier
[20:48] <ali1234> also it is impossible to disable hardware acceleration because of the bug where you can't click in the options at all
[20:49] <czajkowski> dear chrome stop crashing on launch :?
[20:49] <czajkowski> :/
[20:52] <OmNomDeBonBon> ali1234, it's not final.
[20:53] <OmNomDeBonBon> Pepper API, something, Chrome, blah blah.
[20:53] <ali1234> no, it is final
[20:53] <OmNomDeBonBon> Flash is dead, anyway.
[20:53] <ali1234> the bug report on adobe is marked "closed, withdrawn, feature removed"
[20:54] <OmNomDeBonBon> The day they announced no more mobile Flash is the day they pretty much gave up on Flash. Everything to do with Flash right now is milking the tech as long as they can.
[20:54] <ali1234> and your point is?
[20:54] <ali1234> this is a regression introduced in the last ever release
[20:55] <ali1234> it's extremely obvious, and very easy to reverse
[20:55] <OmNomDeBonBon> My point is that it isn't the final version of Flash for Linux.
[20:55] <OmNomDeBonBon> "Adobe will continue to make new versions of the Flash Player that use the new PEPPAPI (Pepper API). They will no longer make any new versions of the plugin that support the older NSAPI model. PEPPAPI was created by Mozilla and Google, but since PEPPAPI was introduced, Mozilla decided to not support it ("it is too hard")."
[20:56] <OmNomDeBonBon> ali1234, that's the beauty of Linux - you can code your own alternative to Flash which doesn't have that regression.
[20:57] <ali1234> there are already several alternatives to flash
[20:57] <OmNomDeBonBon> I suggest you use one of the following names: Bang, Light, Photography, Gordon.
[20:58] <popey> bug 971086
[20:58] <OmNomDeBonBon> The reason Flash needs to die is because of all the constant security flaws discovered, not because HTML5 is "better" (it isn't, at least not for games or video).
[21:07] <AlanBell> I hadn't really noticed flash as a major security problem
[21:07] <AlanBell> it is just closed and low quality
[21:08] <AlanBell> ali1234: maybe a compiz plugin could swap back U and V planes?
[21:08] <ali1234> no?
[21:09] <ali1234> but a preload wrapper could do it
[21:12] <shauno> that kinda surprises me.  flash is famous for being the primary vector for browser-based attacks now that activex is pretty much dead
[21:13] <AlanBell> I guess I don't go to sites that want to attack me
[21:13] <shauno> their last update (3 days ago) fixes two remote-code-execution CVE's :/
[21:14] <shauno> what worries me most with flash, is that I don't have to. all it takes is a malicious user buying an ad spot
[21:27] <directhex> argh headache
[21:27] <ali1234> can a library detect which executable loaded it?
[21:36] <directhex> ali1234: System.Assembly.GetCallingAssembly()
[21:38] <ali1234> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz96fx9AfS1r97e7io1_500.jpg
[21:40] <ali1234> what about getenv("_");
[21:44] <gord> ali1234, /proc/self/exe should be a symlink to whatever executable is looking at it
[21:53] <Myrtti> hm, doesn't look like I can make a window sticky anymore
[21:53] <Myrtti> that's disappointing
[21:54] <Myrtti> I swear if this was one of Gnome3:s designed features, I'll go mad
[21:57] <gord> Myrtti, sticky?
[21:57] <Myrtti> right-click on the window top thingie, choose always on top and always on visible workspace
[21:58] <gord> stays on top and stays on my workspace here
[21:58] <Myrtti> always on top works but visible workspace doesn't
[21:58] <Myrtti> somewhat ruins my videochats :-|
[21:58] <gord> does here :(
[21:59] <gord> maybe its just a certain application?
[21:59] <Myrtti> empathy :-|
[21:59] <Myrtti> I don't know, I don't care about other apps :-|
[22:00] <AlanBell> works here
[22:00] <Myrtti> yeah, doesn't work on chromium either
[22:01]  * popey files bug 971097
[22:01]  * popey files bug 971121
[22:02]  * popey gets back to finding more bugs
[22:23]  * popey files bug 971130
[22:30]  * penguin42 wonders if we'll make it to 1M bugs this cycle
[22:30] <popey> doing my best ;)
[22:30] <ali1234> we should have a sweepstakes
[22:30] <ali1234> who can most closely guess the bug number when the final release goes up
[22:31] <penguin42> ...and will lp survive
[22:31] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanonicalProductStrategy/Coverity <- this might bump the bug numbers up dramatically ☺
[22:32] <ali1234> there's been onver 1000 bugs reported since yesterday so it should reach 1M easily before release
[22:35] <penguin42> popey: Oh interesting
[22:36] <penguin42> popey: static analysers can find some glorious silly bugs
[22:37] <popey> yeah, hope so ☺
[22:38] <popey> I think we're limited in what we're allowed to run it against by the license
[22:38] <popey> only our 'own' stuff, like unity
[22:38] <popey> i dont think we're supposed to run it against linux or gnome
[22:38] <popey> but I may be wrong
[22:39] <penguin42> oh, that's boring :-)  Actually, I think coverity run it against some of the open ones anyway
[22:39] <popey> yeah, they got in the news for running it against linux iirc
[22:39] <penguin42> popey: http://scan.coverity.com/rung1.html
[22:39] <popey> http://lwn.net/Articles/115530/
[22:45] <ali1234> http://linuxbugs.coverity.com/ does not work
[22:46] <ali1234> i'm guessing "Active members of the Linux kernel development community" told them to get stuffed?
[22:48] <popey> saw your comment ali1234 , you're right, i thought enter was borked too
[22:48] <popey> i have been typing gedit then clicking the result
[22:48] <popey> didnt think to wait
[22:48] <ali1234> yeah me too, all day
[22:48] <ali1234> i tried waiting
[22:48] <ali1234> and waiting
[22:48] <ali1234> but it didn't work
[22:48] <ali1234> i didn't try waiting for like 5 minutes or however long the search takes
[22:48] <penguin42> ali1234: I think the reaction has been mixed; obviously some people are a bit taken that someone doing closed software is getting publicity from it, but frankly if they find real bugs then that's good
[22:49] <ali1234> it's no good if they find bugs, then say "we found a load of bugs, but you must pay or we wont tell you what they are"
[22:51] <ali1234> popey: at the end of the day, neither way is a good solution. that's the problem with these search based interfaces
[22:51] <ali1234> they are trying to guess what you want, rather than letting the user be explicit
[22:52] <ali1234> so you end up with ambiguities
[22:52] <ali1234> it is entirely possible that if the dash doesn't wait, you could launch the wrong program, because it changes in between you seeing the result you want, and pressing enter
[22:52] <ali1234> that is clearly bad
[22:52] <popey> wonder how much coverity would charge to show the bugs in linux
[22:52] <ali1234> but making the user wait 5 minutes is also bad
[22:53] <popey> i never get a wrong hit on the mac with spotlight ⍨
[22:53] <popey> super+space, type mine... get minecraft ☺
[22:53] <ali1234> it's also theoretically possible to get a wrong hit with clicking, which you dont have to wait for
[22:53] <popey> not a huge amount of mine related hits on the box though to be fair ☺
[22:53] <popey> yeah, could move
[22:53] <ali1234> i hate UIs that move stuff around without warning
[22:53] <ali1234> seriously, they are the worst
[22:54] <ali1234> ever get that thing where you click on a link if firefox, and the page scrolls by about an inch, and then you click on something else?
[22:54] <ali1234> so irritating
[22:54] <ali1234> that bug is a few years old by now
[22:55] <popey> no
[22:58] <popey> time for bed I guess.