[00:26] <nonau> I have to say, pangolin beta 2 seems pretty faithful to the old gnome 2 based ubuntu studio.  The new menu order will take a bit of getting used to but it seems a lot cleaner than before.
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[14:19] <ScottL> anyone up for a meeting in ~ 2 hours?
[14:20] <len> ScottL here or there?
[14:25] <astraljava> ScottL: o/
[14:26] <astraljava> No time to prepare for chairing, though, so it's up to someone else.
[14:26] <len> astraljava whats to talk about?
[14:27] <astraljava> len: Just going through the remaining bugs/work items for precise, and start planning for Q cycle.
[14:28] <len> figured...
[14:28] <astraljava> I don't see this as necessary for a formal meeting, but whatever Scott decides.
[14:29] <astraljava> len: If you could prepare for a summary regarding the jackd/jackdbus/qjackctl/whathaveyou problem, that'd be great.
[14:29] <len> astraljava: I'll do my best.
[14:29] <astraljava> len: Thanks a bunch!
[14:30] <astraljava> I haven't had time to do that from your reports, unfortunately.
[14:30] <len> astraljava: have you seem a small app called qmidictl?
[14:30] <astraljava> I'm preparing for a move, so time is short.
[14:30] <ScottL> also, i would like to make the "no sound from jack/pulse bridging" bug if we think this isn't a problem
[14:30] <astraljava> len: Can't say I do.
[14:30] <len> I hate moving!
[14:30] <ScottL> i'm not worried about chairing or agenda today
[14:31] <astraljava> ScottL: So it sounds like an informal, then.
[14:31] <ScottL> BUT i would really like to address what bugs we are going to fix before RC
[14:31] <astraljava> ScottL: Ok good.
[14:31] <ScottL> i'll have a list before the meeting that are probably good
[14:32] <ScottL> but i would really like to have people's commitments as to which they will fix
[14:32] <len> qmidictl is a small control app that is ment to be a remote midi controller using qmidinet. Sort of what I was looking for a while ago.
[14:32] <ScottL> in all honesty, of all the bugs that we *can* fix for RC, if someone else will do the mixer plugin one, then i can probably handle the rest, more or less
[14:40] <astraljava> ScottL: I will commit to fixing the mixer plugin. Most likely tonight.
[14:40] <astraljava> ScottL: We can then talk about the rest.
[15:05] <ScottL> astraljava, sweet!  i like it
[15:10] <len> ScottL, I don't think I will have time to complete the text theme for plymouth.. 
[15:10] <ScottL> len, that
[15:10] <ScottL> len, that's okay, it would be nice but i don't think it's critical for 12.04
[15:11] <ScottL> the main thing i want to make sure we do is...
[15:11] <ScottL> 1. make any changes we want
[15:11] <ScottL> 2. make the changes quickly
[15:11] <len> It would require making a new theme and adding it.
[15:11] <ScottL> 3. test the heck out of them
[15:11] <ScottL> len, keep in mind, we already have a ubuntustudio-plymouth-theme or is that plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio
[15:11] <ScottL> and i think it already might include the text based theme
[15:12] <ScottL> if not we can steal xubuntu's and change some text
[15:12] <len> Yes but we need two themes for plymouth, the graphic one and the text one. we don't have a text theme.
[15:12] <ScottL> because i think it stole xubuntu's earlier when i made the plymouth theme :P
[15:12] <ScottL> i think it's pretty much as easy as copying the "extra" directory ("xubuntu-text" or such) and putting it in our package
[15:13] <len> I have the file ready for a text theme, it would add to ubuntustudio-look.
[15:13] <ScottL> the install should copy both wehere they need to
[15:13] <ScottL> len, i don't think it should go under ubuntustudio-look, this is a plymouth thing
[15:13] <ScottL> let me go upstairs and find a few things for you
[15:13] <len> That is where I found the current plymouth theme
[15:25] <scott-upstairs> sorry, got distracted on the way upstairs
[15:25]  * scott-upstairs is doing fifty things at once as usual
[15:26] <scott-upstairs> len, here is where xubuntu has theirs:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/xubuntu-artwork/precise/files/head:/lib/plymouth/themes/
[15:26] <scott-upstairs> notice the two directories, which are both under lib/plymouth/themes
[15:28]  * scott-upstairs thinks he might have egg on his face :P
[15:29] <scott-upstairs> len, you were right about the ubuntustudio-look package being the one with the code
[15:29] <scott-upstairs> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-look/UbuntuStudio/files/head:/lib/plymouth/themes/
[15:30] <scott-upstairs> so, if we copy the /xubuntu-text directory into our source package and rename a bunch of stuff, i would think it would work pretty easy
[15:36] <len> I am not worried about what files go where, I have already tested that part. I no longer seem to be able to put another version in my LP home... that is I don't seem to have a link to add a branch to my junk dir
[15:37] <len> Maybe I am missing something. or have forgotten (already)
[15:39] <len> I will see if I can look at it at all later, but I need to do family time today... my wife will have our two kids at home for the next two weeks for spring break...
[15:51] <scott-upstairs> len, have fun!
[15:51] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, since it's just you and me apparently (is that right, anyone else?) can we dispense with the meeting then?
[15:52] <scott-upstairs> given your commitment to the mixer plugin, i'll make a list of the things i will do and then post to the mailing list
[15:53] <scott-upstairs> i can list other bugs/tasks that aren't critical we might do if someone volunteers (or maybe we might get to)
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[16:02] <len> scott-upstairs, re. PA, jackdbus etc. I think we are going to have to live with what we have.
[16:02] <len> Everything works... but needs extra attention sometimes
[16:02] <scott-upstairs> len, that's okay
[16:03] <scott-upstairs> len, do you mind marking up the "no sound" bug as invalid?  if you don't want to/have time to update the status i can do it, but only if you feel comfortable with the change
[16:03] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: Yeah I don't mind, whatever you wanna do.
[16:04] <len> scott-upstairs we will need to do some docs on the work arounds
[16:04] <len> Sorry I was going to ask the bug number...
[16:05] <astraljava> Hmm... no email app by default, is that right?
[16:05] <scott-upstairs> bug #925257
[16:05] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 925257 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "pulse jack bridging no sound from pulse clients" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925257
[16:05] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, aye, we took thunderbird and evolution out previously
[16:06] <len> It would be nice to not have the mail icon in the indicator area of the panel ;-)
[16:06] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: ACK
[16:08] <len> scott-upstairs bug #925257 is now invalid
[16:08] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 925257 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "pulse jack bridging no sound from pulse clients" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925257
[16:10] <astraljava> len: It's not just for mail, there's other notifications as well, like from pidgin (but then I'm not sure whether we have _any_ app installed by default that uses it).
[16:10] <astraljava> len: You could file a bug about it.
[16:12] <len> astraljava, in thinking about it. US comes minus lots of apps that are going to be added by the average user. The chances of the installer adding something that uses that icon is probably quite high.
[16:13] <len> In fact it would be nice to have  a ubuntustudio-extradesktop meta hanging around that could be installed at the users choice.
[16:16] <len> astraljava, the way we have US is nice, as it means an easy way to set up a dedicated artwork computer.
[16:17] <len> but lots of us have to be able to do more with the few (maybe only one) computer(s) we have.
[16:18] <len> An easy way to get the standard apps without having to pull in unity or xubuntus themes for example would be nice. (im thinking next cycle here.)
[16:19] <astraljava> len: Yeah, I understand that. Maybe the little envelope isn't that bad, after all? If seems to be a part of indicator plugin anyway, so might require considerable effort on get rid of it.
[16:20] <astraljava> len: Just make sure to keep these in mind and document them as feature requests for the Q cycle. We're going to have the tasks chooser in ubiquity anyhoo, so having that populated with more items wouldn't hurt.
[16:20] <len> scott-upstairs ScottL  ^^^ sorry should have put it up there.
[16:20] <scott-upstairs> len, ack'd
[16:21] <len> scott-upstairs, astraljava. looked at qjackctl. I am not sure how active development is. Last version is almost a year old.
[16:22] <scott-upstairs> qjackctl should have seen improvements for jack-session, but i don't think much else is going on
[16:22] <scott-upstairs> if falktx's stuff gets into debian we could also look at using some of his tools
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[16:24] <len> Aye. Starting and stopping jackdbus is not hard... but the patch bay is really nice to have.
[16:24] <len> I guess before I worry about that I should talk to the developer ;-)
[16:26] <len> scott-upstairs One other thing I noticed is that PA uses a lot _LOT_ of cpu cycles even when idling. Next cycle we should look at ways of stopping it while doing jack only stuff. 33% on my machine when in use... 15% when idling.
[16:28] <scott-upstairs> len, this kinda ties into my idea of a "recording mode" button in the panel, could stop networking, pulse, other stuff and maybe even change the menus or panels
[16:28] <scott-upstairs> just an idea
[16:28] <scott-upstairs> len, we also have patchage for connections (and also ardour lets you make connections as well)
[16:29] <len> Yes I have been thinking about that. I think it might even be worth changing the runlevel to get rid of some of the system stuff... like cron for example.
[16:30] <len> Cron can introduce sudden activity when unexpected...
[16:30] <astraljava> len: Yes, I'm a little concerned about such. They really won't do on an audio production machine, there's a real catastrophy waiting to happen there.
[16:31] <scott-upstairs> alright, i'm going to help the wife do some stuff outside
[16:31] <len> I have to go as well... Bye
[19:15] <astraljava> ScottL: anyone: Am I wrong here, or is there no bug for the volume management change for Studio?
[19:23] <ScottL> astraljava, which volume management?  is this the thunar thing?
[19:23] <astraljava> ScottL: No, silly. :) The mixer change. :)
[19:24] <ScottL> oh, yeah, no bug of which i am aware
[19:24] <ScottL> so the mixer change involves volume management?
[19:25] <astraljava> ScottL: Uhm... maybe a terminology clash, here. I mean audio volume, not media volumes.
[19:26] <astraljava> ScottL: Ie. what volume control app it uses by default, xfce4-mixer or pavucontrol.
[19:26] <ScottL> aye, i understand now
[19:26] <ScottL> i am still confused about the 'thunar' on the 'home' icon on the desktop
[19:26] <astraljava> ScottL: What should I write into the changelog, then, to avoid the apparent confusion?
[19:27] <ScottL> i thought 'mixer plugin backend' was descriptive
[19:27] <ScottL> but maybe not correct
[19:31] <astraljava> Ok, I just wrote about a mixer app and got done with it. :)
[19:31] <astraljava> ScottL: Yeah, that opening Thunar is confusing, and slightly alarming.
[19:32] <astraljava> Would be good to investigate a little. I'll see if I have time over the coming week.
[23:50] <ScottL> astraljava, did you file a bug on the mixer plugin?  can you share the bug #
[23:50] <ScottL> oh, i guess i could stalk your profile and see what bugs you filed :P