[00:01] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Documentation needs some love, I don't really know how our docs work but it links to http://doc.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ which is more than a little out of date
[00:01] <knome> mmh
[00:01] <knome> i rewrote:
[00:01] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[00:01] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/
[00:01] <knome> and
[00:02] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/contribute/marketing/
[00:02] <knome> the other subpages are going to need love too
[00:02] <pleia2> ah, hadn't seen updated qa/ yet, I shall look
[00:02] <knome> those are pretty much "merges" of the website stuff + stuff on the wiki
[00:02] <knome> to be able to drop unnecessary duplicated info on the wiki
[00:03] <knome> eg. the Bugs subpage is probably unnecessary now
[00:03] <pleia2> based on feedback I got from charlie, /Testing on the wiki is more clear and should be accurate now
[00:03] <knome> aha
[00:03] <knome> since when?
[00:03] <pleia2> I made edits when I wrote the blog post
[00:04] <knome> mm-hmm
[00:04] <knome> that's not too bad
[00:04] <pleia2> we probably want to revisit it at the beginning of the next cycle though, once we trick someone into becoming the new testing lead :)
[00:04] <knome> and some of that should definitely stay there
[00:04] <knome> including the testers page and the testcases
[00:04] <knome> but the "how to start testing" stuff should mostly be in x.org, i think...
[00:04] <knome> as the same stuff for other teams
[00:05] <pleia2> yeah
[00:05] <knome> that way we have one place where we can point all new contributors
[00:05] <knome> and the wiki is for those who want to get started already
[00:05] <knome> probably "how to contribute" could be removed once we make sure all of it is in x.org
[00:06]  * pleia2 nods
[00:06] <knome> "projects" too, just link to the release schedule somewhere in the page :)
[00:10] <pleia2> knome: when we consider a replacement application, I'm assuming we just do a casual discussion on -devel rather than the more formal /ApplicationComparisonTemplate?
[00:11] <knome> well, it's good to have something formal to point to
[00:11] <knome> also, i think wiki is a good tool to compare applications and gather opinions
[00:11] <pleia2> that one's the first one listed on Old
[00:12] <knome> i know
[00:12] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Toolbox/SpecificationTemplate
[00:12] <knome> that's a bit less formal and scary template
[00:13] <pleia2> ah, good :)
[00:13] <knome> i tried to condense the stuff found on the other templates to that
[00:13] <knome> everybody can use common sense in deciding what should be covered
[00:13] <knome> btw, if you are okay with deleting the pages under XubuntuOld, feel free to do it right away :)
[00:14] <pleia2> seems to me the BugWatch stuff is much better being tracked on LP with bug importance and stuff (but I don't know the history there)
[00:14] <knome> yes, i agree with that
[00:14] <knome> that's why i wondered that we still did that for precise
[00:15] <knome> tbh, i didn't even know that page existed, so that's it for the watching part :)
[00:23]  * knome is still lurking
[00:23] <knome> https://twitter.com/#!/rreyes1979/status/186246528514539520
[00:35] <pleia2> I wonder if we should keep just one of these around https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/XubuntuOld/DocumentationHardyAssignments
[00:35] <pleia2> but again, I don't know about docs or how useful such a thing is
[00:35] <knome> well, i'm trying to get our whole documentation rewritten in Q
[00:36] <pleia2> I think we can delete everything else though
[00:36] <knome> well
[00:36] <knome> hmm
[00:36] <knome> the latest is from intrepid
[00:36] <knome> and that's just a really quick listing
[00:37] <pleia2> yeah, hardy is the one with stuff in it
[00:37] <knome> hardy... that doesn't look too extensive too
[00:37] <knome> *either
[00:37] <pleia2> whatever you think, I just think it may be useful for when we revive docs
[00:37] <pleia2> one of them anyway
[00:37] <knome> but those are all just sections in the offline docs?
[00:38] <knome> file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/index.html
[00:39] <pleia2> I think so, but the page has a framework for easy viewing of who is doing what
[00:39] <pleia2> which I think may have value
[00:39] <knome> if we want to assign things, that's fine
[00:39] <knome> i was thinking of a more collaborative approach with etherpad
[00:39] <knome>  -> paste the doc section to a pad
[00:39] <knome>  -> let people edit
[00:39] <knome> with some sprints, that should work pretty well
[00:39] <pleia2> ok :)
[00:40] <knome> and if we really need a table, we can just recreate
[00:40]  * pleia2 nods
[00:40] <knome> that's what i was thinking
[00:40] <pleia2> ok, delete 'em all!
[00:40] <knome> yay!
[00:41] <knome> wiki lags :D
[00:42] <knome> ok, done :)
[00:42] <knome> now we must only rewrite the pages
[00:43] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Cleanup
[00:44] <knome> pleia2, do you have an insight on the testers-page table?
[00:55] <pleia2> knome: not at the moment, I'll think
[00:55] <knome> thanks :)
[00:58] <knome> pleia2, btw, you might want to subscribe to Xubuntu/* at least temporarily as i go and change things here and there :)
[01:01] <knome> pleia2, https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-doc
[01:01] <knome> pleia2, WOW!
[01:01] <knome> pleia2, we have that too?
[01:01] <knome> :)
[01:03] <knome> gah, the wiki is really slow
[01:04] <knome> pleia2, you there? quick question...
[01:05] <knome> pleia2, do we want to keep the meeting agenda archive?
[01:06] <knome> pleia2, i mean, they have *some* documentative value, but on the other hand, you will know what the agenda was when you look at the meeting minutes...
[01:07] <knome> pleia2, there is one agenda in 2010, two in 2009, and three in 2008, rest are older
[01:07] <pleia2> yeah, keep the archive
[01:07] <knome> really?
[01:07] <pleia2> yes, everyone does
[01:07] <knome> i'm not deleting the *minutes* archive
[01:07] <knome> i'm talking about *agenda* archive
[01:07] <knome> which we haven't updated in over a year
[01:07]  * pleia2 shrugs
[01:08] <pleia2> I guess that's ok then :)
[01:08] <knome> ok, good
[01:10] <knome> the wiki is lagging again :(
[01:10] <pleia2> it does that
[01:10] <knome> okay, agenda archive deleted
[01:10] <knome> now i could fix the archive frontpage and go to sleep :)
[01:11] <pleia2> :)
[01:22] <knome> everything under Xubuntu/Archive/Minutes/ could now be moved directly under Xubuntu/Archive/ :)
[01:25] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive is updated
[01:25] <knome> and i'm off to bed
[01:25] <pleia2> good night!
[01:25] <knome> see you later! :)
[01:25] <knome> good day+night to you too :)
[01:26] <Unit193> Adios.
[01:43] <pleia2> the wiki fails at subscribing me to more than a single page at once
[01:44] <Unit193> I think the first three words said it all.
[01:45] <pleia2> :P
[07:17] <knome> pleia2, hmm?
[07:17] <knome> pleia2, "Xubuntu/.*"
[07:17] <knome> pleia2, without quotes, add that to your subscription box
[07:18] <pleia2> knome: I know how to add it :) I'm saying it doesn't work
[07:18] <knome> :o
[07:19] <knome> i didn't know the . -trick
[07:19] <knome> until recently
[07:19] <knome> weird then
[07:19] <pleia2> I've known this for a while, tried subbing to UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/.* a few months ago
[07:19] <knome> :/
[07:26] <pleia2> ok, sleepies time
[07:28] <knome> nighty
[10:49] <knome> starting to wrap up the "rebase" thing
[10:50] <knome> https://twitter.com/#!/XubuntuLinux/status/186404591208898561
[13:58] <astraljava> Soo... how do I make the window borders easier to grab? They're way, way too thin at the moment.
[14:01] <Pjotr> Hello, I have a question about the Abiword package for Xubuntu Precise.
[14:01] <Pjotr> Upstream, some overdue translations have been commmitted for Abiword 2.9.x: http://www.abisource.com/contribute/translate/
[14:01] <Pjotr> Will they make it into Xubuntu Precise?
[14:04] <astraljava> I guess an FFe bug could be filed against it, it could be possible, but I'm not an expert WRT translations.
[14:05] <astraljava> Pjotr: Give me 2 hours, I'm in the middle of a hockey game. :)
[14:06] <Pjotr> astraljava: OK, thanks in advance.... good luck with the hockey!  :-)
[14:07] <astraljava> Pjotr: No worries, would be good to get it in for an LTS. Thanks, neither of them are 'my teams', but then... it's hockey, after all. :)
[14:58] <knome> afaik the translations deadline didn't pass yet
[15:01] <astraljava> knome: Oh, cool. So just a debdiff for mr_pouit or micahg would suffice, no?
[15:06] <knome> i suppose, but ask -release first ;)
[15:27] <astraljava> Well, it's no biggie. I will have to create the debdiff anyhoo, so filing an FFe bug is just one more step.
[15:31] <pleia2> quite the extensive april foolery on G+ (I didn't post it, but I let my co-maintainer in on the joke and he wrote a whole intro for knome's post
[15:32] <pleia2> knome: btw, you can click on the timestamps in the logs to get more precise links
[15:32] <pleia2> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/03/31/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t20:37
[15:34] <pleia2> oh my, the DPL retweeted
[15:37] <astraljava> ochosi: knome: No idea about the window border thingie? My google-fu seems to suggest it's theme-related, but I have virtually no knowledge about them.
[17:09] <knome> pleia2, didn't know that :)
[17:13] <knome> aaaanyway, https://twitter.com/#!/XubuntuLinux/status/186501460773707776
[17:22] <knome> (opme
[17:22] <knome> er
[18:08] <knome> astraljava, hmm, what issue?
[18:09] <BufferOverflow> Corners to resize too small.
[18:09] <BufferOverflow> IIRC.
[18:09] <knome> alt+right-mouse-drag.
[18:09] <astraljava> Ahh... cool, didn't know that.
[18:09] <astraljava> Thanks!
[18:09] <knome> np
[18:10] <knome> astraljava, maybe you SHOULD be following @XubuntuLinux, that tip was posted there
[18:10] <astraljava> But that's _SOCIAL_, I don't do that.
[18:10] <knome> i don't do that personally either. i lurk behind the @XubuntuLinux-account.
[20:34] <astraljava> Whee. ssh transfer between a Studio precise box and a Xubuntu precise box was interrupted due to a corrupt packet. *facepalm*