[00:07] what does nomodeset do? [00:08] it will boot it using a generic graphics driver (i.e. a 1024x768 vesa session, stretched across the display) [00:09] or, in your case, attempt to boot. [00:09] have nothing to lose here... [00:11] i tried and old 10.10 livecd that I have and it loaded, but only a desktop, no cions and only the exit menu to turn the thing off [00:11] cions icons* [00:12] it's been a while since I looked at a 10.10 livecd. [00:12] what's in the menu when that loads to the desktop? [00:13] that should have had not a whole lot on the desktop. just the mounted cd and an installer icon, if I recall correctly [00:14] in any case, if it successfully boots a 10.10 CD (I suppose that's a debatable question at this point until you try and load something off that running CD) that should at least narrow it down to a bad burn on that new 11.10 disk [00:22] a guangdong, i miss their food [00:23] im in xubuntu from recovery console again with a usb stick that doesnt automount it seems... help please, I can copy its content to crappy linux and use as boot usb... [00:24] what size is the USB drive? [00:25] babble: 8GB when totally empty (well 7.4) [00:25] can you get to a desktop on SOMEthing (Windows or Linux) in order to run Unetbootin? [00:25] (or Linux Startup Disk Creator on Linux, if you have a working, sort of, Linux) [00:26] I have used unetbooting once, I can download it here in windows [00:26] how did you attempt to make the USB stick bootable currently? [00:27] Unetbootin for Windows is here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/unetbootin/files/UNetbootin/568/unetbootin-windows-568.exe/download [00:27] i dont understand the "currently" in the sentence [00:27] if you mean, why now? cause I got out of options [00:27] what did you do to the USB stick you're trying to use to put a bootable system on it? if you just copied the ISO to it, it won't work [00:28] if you did something that *should* be bootable, but your system still doesn't boot, that would be useful to know, to try and sort out what, exactly, is going on [00:28] no babble , I chose unetbooting, an iso copy and make something (dont recall) but what does that have to do with where to find it? [00:29] but it wasnt just the iso copied to the usb [00:29] You've done so very many many things at this point that I'm trying to sort out just what, exactly, you're doing. [00:29] i understand [00:29] make a bootable usb from the .iso with unetbootin [00:30] are you attempting to mount that drive while you're booted into the broken system that you can't successfully start x on, or get to a console on, or on which you've been having many and various problems? [00:31] or are you attempting to mount that drive on a different machine? [00:31] im sorry for being this confusing: here in the windows machine [00:31] ill just reformat the usb (I dont exactly remember whats in) [00:32] unetbootin won't remount the thumb drive automatically for you. [00:32] if you've successully written the image to it, pull the drive and physically reinsert it [00:32] unless, of course, you've changed your windows defaults [00:32] or you can just try writing the image again, and then try booting the problematic system with it [00:33] do you know how to boot that machine from a USB device? [00:35] no... [00:35] have you already run Unetbootin and written your Xubuntu 11.10 image to that drive? [00:37] im now unetbooting it [00:37] let me know when that finishes. [00:37] fat32 format... [00:37] ignore whatever Windows does or doesn't do as far as the thumb drive is concerned when Unetbootin finishes. [00:38] when you boot the broken linux system, you should see a vendor/bios screen at boot that says Press Esc for Boot Options (or f2 or f11 or something similar) [00:38] have you seen that, or something like that, previously? [00:39] is it okay if I run the keyboard command for the bot to see what it has to say? I didn't get to running it the other night. [00:39] yes babble i see the BIOS options if I press f2 [00:39] that should get you to one (of maybe three or four) BIOS screens that will let you choose a different device to boot from. [00:40] assuming your machine is relatively current (or even not-so-current), booting from a USB device will be among your choices. [00:40] choose that [00:41] ok... [00:42] hallo schlaftier wie geht's? [00:42] du bist nicht am schlafen... [00:42] yhelphelp: Danke, gut. Das stimmt! [00:42] !en [00:42] The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [00:43] entered the damned BIOS with the usb stick plugged in... found BOOT priority otder, and I see excluded from boot order: usb zip and usb ls120 [00:44] I can't say for certain what you need to do for your specific BIOS since I'm not seeing what you're seeing, naturally, but it should be fairly straightforward. [00:45] i see 6 entries with USB: usb key, usb fdc... [00:45] which one is the correct? [00:45] try USB key [00:45] babble: usb key now in 1st place [00:45] /allserv ghost GridCube ENTEI [00:45] rebooot now... [00:45] OH SHEE [00:45] D: [00:46] o-ou [00:46] are you asking or telling me what you're doing? [00:46] finbgers crossed [00:46] please work [00:46] is there anything extra I should be doing with Keytouch to get my keyboard recognized? [00:46] telling [00:47] :D [00:47] you should really quickly see the same boot screen you saw when booted from CD. [00:47] I've got the FN keys listed, set the program, yet nothing. [00:47] again, to boot to the LiveCD desktop, choose Try Xubuntu Without Installing [00:47] that wasnt the righ usb babble .. JACKPOT!!! [00:47] :D new password === gridcube_ is now known as GridCube [00:48] well, as I said, I can't really say for certain what your specific BIOS is or isn't going to want without seeing it [00:48] are you saying it's booting? [00:48] crap, I was writting and didnt choose any option, is the dafault one !try without installing"? [00:48] wow [00:48] it worked [00:48] and it even recognizes internet!!! [00:48] okay. [00:48] you have a desktop? [00:48] YES I DO!!! [00:48] finally. [00:49] ja endlich [00:49] finally [00:49] From the Apps menu, do Apps > System > GParted [00:49] i rally believe you should scrap the "nor cursing" rule [00:49] gparted... [00:50] yhelphelp, disagreed. [00:50] are you asking me something or telling me something? [00:50] telling, im sorry, its late over here, I feel an urge to say everything I write [00:50] does that make any sense? [00:50] are you saying you're in GParted? [00:51] yes [00:51] do you need help to make a new partition in there? [00:51] is there any reason Keytouch (nor the default keyboard in the system) doesn't want to work with Xubuntu 12.04? [00:52] yes [00:53] sorry, im looking for internet pssword so I can update logs n stuff [00:53] in crappy craptop [00:53] when you're ready to deal with repartitioning, say so [00:54] yhelphelp, would you please cut down the semi-cursing [00:54] yes [00:54] thanks [00:54] i though crap was widely used in america [00:55] so are other words, but #xubuntu is not america [00:55] babble: i can follow your instructions now... [00:56] didnt find the password [00:56] in Parted, you should see one large partition (the current system partition with everything on it) and one small partition (swap) [00:56] linux-swap 5.75GB [00:57] click on the large partition and unmount it (from the Partition menu, choose Unmount) [00:57] tell me when you're ready [00:58] babble: it is already unmounted: thats why I cannot access any of my data (docs and stuff) [00:58] select that large partition and choose Partition > Move/Resize [00:58] done [00:58] in there, use the slider to collapse that partition down and leave an unformatted 20gb region. [00:59] (it doesn't need to be exact) [00:59] ok, leaving a 20GB part to the right of that slider [00:59] now click on that unformatted partition and set it to format as a new ext4 partition [00:59] free space following (MiB) 20355 [00:59] wait, first I have to apply all operations, dont I? [01:00] we're getting to that [01:00] set the unformatted region as a new ext4 partition. [01:00] babble: its 19.88GB, too little? [01:00] it will be fine. [01:00] does it need a label? [01:01] if you get a working system back, you can always come back and rearrange things again. [01:01] you can label it, but when you're running that system, when it's all done, you won't see it [01:01] so label it if you want to, but it'll be irrelevant, mostly. [01:01] ok, done.. apply? [01:01] now apply [01:01] all operations? [01:01] ok [01:01] and go get a coffee [01:02] i really hope i dont lose anything... [01:02] here we go [01:02] it's going to run fsck and move stuff around first, so that may take a while. [01:02] am I sure? no, but i dont have a choice [01:02] ok [01:02] can you believe my heart is beating fast? [01:03] when this gets done, two things: 1. Keep a bootable system handy for the next time you need to do something like this and 2. Back up your files. [01:03] yes, i really need to buy another hdd [01:04] in any case, let Parted do its thing and when that's done, come back [01:05] are we talking 30 minutes? 45? [01:05] it may depend on the existing partition. [01:05] if it's corrupt, it may take a good while. [01:05] so the cd-rom i first trid to boot from, thats useless now... [01:06] if the directory structure is okay, it'll just need time to shuffle some files around and make enough contiguous space to make the new partition. [01:06] tried [01:06] probably. it sounds like a bad burn [01:06] do bard burns happen often? [01:06] I never burn optical media, so I have no idea these days. [01:07] is it that unreliable? lol [01:07] I haven't regularly burned disks in at least 10 years. [01:07] so while I didn't have huge issues back then, that was also easily a decade ago, or longer. [01:07] cheap media will more often result in coasters, as it ever did [01:08] earlier you talked about a 20GB file which could be an issue during partition and relocation, didnt you? May i know what file was that? architecture blueprints? [01:08] true [01:08] no, it was a VirtualBox disk image. [01:09] i see [01:10] (blueprints are usually either postscript, or 1-bit TIFFs or similar, so even if the print size is physically large, they're not often multigigabyte files) [01:11] i dont know that much: i just imagined that the whole structure of a skycrapper could be a huge file... [01:11] speaking from ignorance [01:11] or a very long movie with FLAC audio [01:12] a CAD file that has a gazillion splines and vertexes can easily be several gigabytes, but blueprints are just flat files. [01:44] babble: what is your local time? IIMA? [01:45] it's 20:45 on Saturday, here. [01:45] is there a ctrl+t option in xubuntu to see more than one folder at a time? [01:46] babble: all operations completed [01:47] excellent [01:47] crap, hope you dont have plans for the next half an hour.. can you help me finish it? [01:47] you're all set to install a clean system [01:47] sure, no problem. [01:47] reboot? [01:47] run the installer as usual, and JUST do a straight ahead install on that new, empty 20gb partition [01:47] no, install a clean system first :) [01:48] wait, there is a "install xubuntu 11.10 option in the desktop.. I have to ignore it and log off... [01:49] no you don't, goofyball [01:49] RUN THE INSTALLER [01:49] install on that new partition. [01:50] goofyball here doesnt understand (how sad...) you want me to click on the "install 11.10" icon right? [01:51] Yes :) [01:56] this computer currently has ubutu 11.10 on it. what would you like to do? [01:56] a) install xubuntu alonside ubuntu [01:56] b) upgrade 11.10 to 11.10 (???) [01:56] c) erase ubuntu and reinstall [01:56] d) something else [01:58] something else, right babble ? [01:58] Something Else... [01:58] you want to select that new 20gb empty partition to install a new system on [01:59] The default options will either erase and install, or try and partition your drive, which we've already done. [02:00] no root file is defined [02:01] please correct from partitioning menu [02:03] please babble , help [02:04] At the installer, choose the 20gb partition, and click Change... [02:04] select JUST the 20gb partition, tell it to use it as an Ext4 partition, mounted as Root [02:04] babble: use as: EXT4 journaling FS... [02:05] If you want Journaling (you do), yes, and have it format it [02:05] mount point: I dont see any root, just boot [02:05] but I think Parted does journaled ext4 by default [02:05] the slash [02:05] just the slash with nothing else [02:05] / [02:05] a, slash.. [02:06] ignore the large partition [02:06] yes [02:06] don't use it, don't format it, don't do anything to it [02:06] you JUST want the small, new 20gb partition [02:06] and it should automatically recognize swap [02:07] but you can manually define swap too, if you want to [02:07] babble: I should ignore the large warning too: the FS on this small partition has not been marked for formmatting. everything will be deleted [02:07] it doesn't matter. [02:07] there's nothing on it, remember? [02:07] proceedbut im so noob im afraid [02:07] the dangerous bit is already done. [02:07] you already repartitioned the drive. [02:08] as long as you don't do anything to touch the remainder of that big partition, you're fine. [02:10] babble: incidentally, does the computer name matter? [02:10] or is it just for personification purposes? [02:10] if you've got a LAN at home, you need to know which computer is which [02:10] if this is just your own machine, call it bilbo baggins or whatever you want [02:11] should I encrypt my home folder? [02:11] I don't; unless this is a portable, you probably don't care. [02:11] its a laptop, if you mean that [02:12] if you're worried about this computer ever getting stolen, it can't hurt, but I don't use home folder encryption [02:12] is encryption resource consuming? time consuming? [02:14] it's slower, but not unbearably so [02:15] I keep separate pgp-encrypted archives for certain things I need kept private [02:15] its wiping swap space for security now [02:15] but I don't see any need for whole-home encryption for me personally [02:16] it's more hassle than it's worth if I need stuff out of /home and I'm on a system without encfs support, for one thing [02:16] and the installer always formats swap, just because it can [02:16] don't worry about it [02:17] can you say if abiword is a good substitute for libreoffice word? [02:18] I like Abiword, but I use both (Abiword and libreoffice) [02:19] can you say if IBUS is less problematic with xubuntu? I need to write in chinese sometimes [02:19] than with ubuntu I mean [02:22] I can't say, sorry [02:22] I don't need anything ibus supports [02:22] hehe, ok [02:24] how many econds pass since you push the power button till xubuntu fully loads? [02:24] seconds [02:25] it depends on what other services you install [02:25] if you have gvfs-backends, boot time increases a tick [02:25] if you enable Gnome or KDE services, time-to-useful desktop increases a bit [02:25] etc [02:33] how's it going? [02:33] a clean install on a blank partition should only need about 10-15 mins. [02:34] babble: xubuntu's plymouth screen loaded from usb stick looked better than loaded from fresh installation... I am now recording my encryption passphrase (I ticked the box before you answered) [02:35] you're booting into the newly installed system? [02:35] yes [02:35] okay [02:36] when you boot all the way back to a desktop, let me know [02:36] we're going to try and get your installed packages out of the old system [02:39] actually, I'm not certain, but I think we're going to explicitly need to DISable home folder encryption. [02:39] fck [02:39] because we're going to have you eventually mount your existing home over on the other partition. [02:39] true [02:39] ok [02:39] working desktop [02:40] even an update popped up [02:40] update manager [02:40] see here: [02:40] I see: 16GB free space in this partition [02:40] http://askubuntu.com/questions/4950/how-to-stop-using-built-in-home-directory-encryption [02:40] We can resize that partition to larger later once you have everything set up [02:41] but bear in mind, MOST of your files are still in /home on the other partition [02:41] and you can still use that as your home directory [02:41] yes im aware of that [02:41] but me and my great ideas... [02:42] well, it will encrypt stuff transparently as it mounts [02:42] but again, it's more hassle for me than it's worth [02:42] see that askubuntu question for an easy way to back out of home folder encryption if you want [02:43] now, go ahead and run all necessary updates to start [02:44] then we need to mount your old partition and get your package list out of it === oijoij is now known as m00se [02:44] babble: I can access my old partition, im listening to music from it [02:45] yes, that's fine, but we're not done yet === m00se is now known as Guest91753 [02:45] many many thanks for all the help [02:45] you do understand im qite exhausted [02:45] exausted? [02:45] if you dont mind, ill come by im 16 hours or so [02:45] back* [02:46] if you can live with it as it is now, fine. [02:46] but you can get your package list out of the old system and you can mount your home [02:46] but come back tomorrow. [02:46] at least you have a working desktop for now. [02:46] sure... [02:46] bye then [02:47] see you later [02:47] wow... 5 hours chatting here [03:38] thunar is having error deleting files from a linked directory. ' can't find or create trash directory?' is this a feature or not? nautilus or dolphin has no issues [03:42] how do I get around this? TIA [03:49] also icons showing partitions as mounted when they are not? [03:50] and mounted partitions listed on fstab is not shown? [03:51] btw this is straight xubuntu 12.04 B2 install [03:54] anyone? [03:55] noone? [06:33] hello [06:33] is there a way to make catfish searching for directories? [07:55] Two days ago I asked here about ideas for my "no sound" problem. I got it fixed. If someone is interested: http://lukas-prokop.at/blog/2012/04/xubuntu-my-no-sound-mystery/ thx anyway [08:11] meisterluk, hey [08:11] meisterluk, are you running anything less than 12.04 ? [08:13] knome: yes, 11.10 [08:14] meisterluk, okay, was just asking because we applied a fix to that in 12.04 [08:14] knome: oh great :-) (i'll add that to my weblog) [08:14] there have been a few people with still broken sound (mostly related to not be able to unmute) [08:14] i didn't read that carefully enough to know if it's the exactly same bug [08:15] i don't know the defatils of the original bug either, except it fixs unmuting for many [08:16] knome: yeah yeah. In some way I just think it's important to be able to find some fixes on the web. So... :-) [08:16] anyway, pavucontrol will be used over xfce4-mixer in 12.04 [08:16] and yeah, i agree about finding the fixes part [08:17] :-) [08:21] hello, i just did a clean install of xubuntu and i noticed that firefox comes with an add-on that integrates the menu bar into the unity panel. should that be there? [08:22] hefs: it's some dependency, doesn't cause trouble but safe to remove [08:22] Sysi, in that case, i wonder why it is dependency [08:22] Sysi, or is it a "recommends" ? [08:23] all right, there's another one as well: ubuntu firefox modifications. i guess i shouldn't disable that one? [08:25] knome: yeah, recommended "dependency", no idea why it's there [08:26] mmh [08:31] thanks, bye === Pici is now known as ZarroBoogs [12:39] hey guys [13:51] h 2 unhide startup services [13:51] ? [13:53] Hello everybody. How to switch off bluetooth daemon at startup? [13:54] open settings manager, select session and startup, go to the application autostart tab and deselect the blueman applet [14:24] hi babble [14:24] im the partition guy from yesterday [14:24] now from xubuntu in small partition [14:25] okay. [14:25] do you have your large partition mounted? [14:25] yes [14:25] open a terminal [14:25] we are going to move te home folder from large to small partition right? [14:25] no, we're not moving that [14:25] we will eventually mount your existing home [14:26] ok, listening [14:26] but let's get your other installed packages first [14:26] open a termina. [14:26] *terminal [14:26] done [14:26] cd /media && ls [14:27] do I have to paste the output? [14:27] I need to see the name of the large partition as it's mounted. [14:27] a1d0a058-a2dc-4f43-b99a-6fa0410496c4 [14:28] chroot a1d0 (then hit TAB and it should autocomplete the rest) [14:28] sudo chroot, sorry [14:28] done, hit enter now? [14:28] yes [14:28] ok [14:29] when it switches root, do cd ~ [14:30] bash: /dev/null: Permission denied in like 80 lines [14:30] close that terminal. [14:30] open a new terminal. [14:30] done [14:30] sudo su [14:31] yes, no, maybe? [14:31] GOOFYGEAD CANNOT ENTGER THE CORRECT PASSWORD sorry for the caps [14:32] ok done [14:32] when your prompt switches from $ to # say so [14:32] okay. cd /media [14:32] the dot is not part of the command, is it? [14:32] no. [14:32] cd /media [14:33] done [14:33] chroot a1 [14:34] done [14:34] what's your username on the old installation? [14:34] dexter, its also the name in the new one [14:34] original me... [14:35] what's your username on the OLD installation? [14:35] cd /home/dexter [14:35] done [14:35] cd Documents (or something) [14:36] see if your expected Documents folder has the contents you expect [14:36] yes, everything is there [14:36] cd /home/dexter [14:36] done [14:37] dpkg --get-selections > installed-packages.txt [14:37] done [14:37] close that terminal. [14:37] done [14:38] in Thunar, look on the mounted big partition, in your old home folder (dexter) and there should be a file called installed-packages.txt [14:39] Thank you. But i meant bluetoothd. [14:40] babble, do I have to paste the output? [14:40] yes, no, maybe? [14:40] no. just checking to make sure the file is there. Open Synaptic. [14:41] http://paste.ubuntu.com/910189/ [14:41] ok [14:42] make sure all your current updates are done (Mark All Upgrades & Apply) [14:42] if you need to do any upgrades, let it do its thing then let me know when it's done. [14:42] Thank you. But i meant bluetoothd. [14:43] lots of updated needed: but some of those are gnome... I though I had gotten rid of gnome... [14:43] we'll get to that [14:43] unity appmenu integration for firefox?? [14:43] I though I had gotten ridof unity too [14:43]