[00:00] <snadge> and maybe even a songlist object that contains a dynamically allocated array of these song objects which are like 1MB each :p
[00:01] <snadge> ive always hated object oriented programming.. not because i fail to understand it.. but because people who advocate it.. fail to understand how pointless it is ; )
[00:02] <penguin42> snadge: There are some bits of it as useful; unfortunately people tend to go mad with it and create zillions of objects
[00:03] <snadge> yeah i guess one way of looking at it is.. most programmers are bad.. giving them more ways to shoot themselves in the foot, or create masterpieces of design that are woefully inefficient.. isnt necessarily the best idea
[00:04] <snadge> i guess open source fixes that.. as long as people are paying attention ;)
[00:10] <penguin42> snadge: It depends on the project to some extent - some are more careful about footprint/size/performance than others
[00:11] <bagels> hi all! Why can't I see/change assistive technologies options?
[00:11] <bagels> like, I can't find the onscreen keyboard, I can't zoom in on my screen, anything.
[00:13] <Daekdroom> bagels, power indicator (top right) > System Settings > Accessibility (last row)
[00:14] <bagels> cool! how can I learn more about this?
[00:14] <penguin42> try it!
[00:14] <bagels> there's a setting for keyboard shortcuts>zoom in, zoom out,
[00:14] <bagels> is that for my monitor resolution?
[00:14] <Daekdroom> Nope.
[00:15] <bagels> because compiz desktop zoom doesn't do anything.
[00:15] <Daekdroom> That is compiz's desktop zoom.
[00:17] <bagels> right, it's more of a separate question
[00:18] <bagels> basically I have this:
[00:19] <bagels> a netbook with a touchscreen, the Dell Inspiron Duo
[00:19] <penguin42> is that the thing that kind of flips in the lid?
[00:19] <bagels> when I flip it to tablet mode, I want to zoom in on the screen to push the X and - buttons with my pudgy fingers
[00:19] <bagels> penguin42: yes! :D
[00:20] <bagels> now, I went to this website:
[00:21] <bagels> hold up, linking
[00:22] <bagels> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1658635
[00:22] <bagels> scroll down to tablet recognition mode
[00:23] <bagels> there's keyboard shortcuts,
[00:24] <bagels> so I was thinking I could set Keyboard Shortcuts for Zoom to opening and closing
[00:28] <bagels> but that doesn't work
[00:29] <penguin42> bagels: So I guess the thing to find out is whether the setkeycodes stuff has worked
[00:29] <bagels> well i think it did, because they seem to have registered.
[00:29] <briankb> a program I compiled yesterday doesn't show up in unity search. I want to add it to the unity bar as a shortcut icon, how can I do that?
[00:30] <penguin42> bagels: 'registered'?
[00:30] <bagels> it's just that nothing zooming works
[00:31] <bagels> yeah, penguin42 when I click the keyboard shortcut to set a new binding, it comes up when I open/close the lid as Launch 1 and Launch 2
[00:31] <penguin42> ok
[00:31] <bagels> penguin42: however I can't get any kind of key binding to make zoom work, it's like there's only one resolution
[00:32] <penguin42> bagels: I'm not sure how those zooms work
[00:32] <bagels> penguin42: I wouldn't mind just a way to bind a command that makes my resolution go bigger.
[00:33] <penguin42> bagels: It might be worth checking if you're running Unity or Unity2d
[00:33] <bagels> penguin42: does that make sense?  I just want to go from 1366x600 (or something like that) to like 800x[something 16:9]
[00:33] <bagels> penguin42: unity 2d
[00:34] <penguin42> bagels: Hmm well I think you could do that with xrandr - but there's probably a better way
[00:34] <bagels> do you think d is preventing it from happening/
[00:34] <bagels> I had some esoteric zoom in/out app in my unity launcher that worked a few months ago,
[00:34] <bagels> and I think I was running 3d
[00:35] <penguin42> bagels: I don't know, but I wouldn't be too surprised if those zoom things are done with some GL stuff in unity and maybe not done in 2d (or just a bug?)
[00:35] <bagels> penguin42 ^
[00:35] <bagels> penguin42: how do i switch to 3D?
[00:35] <penguin42> bagels: Not sure, it might have taken a dislike to your graphics card and decided against it
[00:36] <bagels> penguin42: I manually installed 2d
[00:37] <penguin42> do you get an option when you login on the lightdm stuff as you enter your password
[00:37] <bagels> penguin42: it automatically logs me in
[00:38] <penguin42> ah hmm, maybe turn that autologin off
[00:38] <DropsOfSerenity> or just logout
[00:39] <penguin42> DropsOfSerenity: Ah, didn;t realise logout got you back to that even on autologin
[00:40] <penguin42> right, bed
[00:43] <hellyeah> hey
[00:43] <hellyeah> i am using 12.04
[00:43] <Yaaaaaa> upgraded to 12.04, my sound still works but now alsa mixer says: cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument
[00:43] <hellyeah> i have a username and password
[00:43] <bagels> well that didn't work
[00:43] <hellyeah> and i correclty type it
[00:43] <hellyeah> when i am in pure shell i can join the system
[00:43] <hellyeah> but when i am in gdm i cant
[00:43] <hellyeah> why
[00:44] <hellyeah> hey
[00:44] <hellyeah> hello knock knock konck :D
[00:48] <hellyeah> hey
[00:48] <hellyeah> some pls respond
[00:50] <hellyeah> why anyone dont respond
[00:54] <jbicha> !patience | ubottu
[00:59] <hellyeah> i hope i can tell what my problem is
[01:00] <hellyeah> in login screen i cannot join the system with username and password but in pure shall ctrl + alt + f1 ş can join the system with same username and password
[01:20] <bitplane-> hi, does eclipse work for anyone else?
[01:21] <bitplane-> I get this: http://pastie.org/3712044
[01:22] <bagels> hi all.  My touchpad on my netbook suddenly stopped working mid-session.  Tried rebooting, logging out, etc.  tried doing what help.ubuntu.com said, no luck.  fortunately my touch screen works, but that's annoying after a while
[01:23] <snadge> hmm.. who works on indicator-multiload?
[01:23] <snadge> it uses up too much resources
[01:23] <snadge> i know its not an official applet.. but it probably should be.. i liked the old system resource meter in gnome 2
[01:33] <bitplane-> hmm how do I get sun/oracle java nowadays?
[01:36] <Logan_> bitplane-: Why would you want that?
[01:36] <jlb181> bitplane, try http://pastebin.com/ST5APH5n
[01:37] <Logan_> OpenJDK works just as well, if not better.
[01:38] <bitplane-> Logan_ I guess I don't really want it, but Eclipse won't start
[01:38] <Logan_> Then that's probably an Eclipse issue...
[01:38] <bitplane-> can you test eclipse for me in 12.04 before I raise a bug?
[01:38] <Logan_> Sure.
[01:38] <bitplane-> http://pastie.org/3712044 <- that's the error I get
[01:38] <bitplane-> I'm guessing it's a classpath issue?
[01:39]  * Logan_ tests.
[01:39] <bitplane-> I'm not too hot on Java, I kinda grasp the basics. Just wanna do some Android dev
[01:39] <Logan_> Wow, that's a lot of dependencies. Oh well; I'll uninstall them afterward.
[01:39] <bitplane-> hehe yeah it's a big bugger. Java is fat and ugly
[01:39] <Logan_> Downloading.
[01:39] <bitplane-> thanks :)
[01:39] <Logan_> np
[01:41] <Logan_> 75%
[01:41] <Logan_> Okay, testing now.
[01:42] <Logan_> bitplane-: http://i.imgur.com/do4tA.png
[01:42] <Logan_> Is that what happens to you?
[01:43] <bitplane-> yep that's the one
[01:43] <Logan_> Yep, same error in the log.
[01:43] <Logan_> workbench
[01:43]  * Logan_ checks the bug list.
[01:44] <bitplane-> excellent, thank you. I'll raise it. I see a similar bug from an old ubuntu release, but not for this one
[01:44] <Logan_> Oh, here we go:
[01:45] <Logan_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/970475
[01:45] <Logan_> bitplane-: ^ There's the bug.
[01:45] <Logan_> Reported yesterday, actually.
[01:45] <Logan_> There's a workaround in the comments.
[01:47] <bitplane-> is that the same bug?
[01:47] <Logan_> Yes.
[01:47] <Logan_> I have the same exact error in my log.
[01:48] <Logan_> Haven't tried the workaround yet, though.
[01:48] <bitplane-> oh yes I see it
[01:48] <Logan_> See comment #2.
[01:49] <bitplane-> workaround works :)
[01:49] <bitplane-> thanks!
[01:49] <Logan_> Yep, wfm too.
[01:49] <Logan_> No problem. :-)
[01:51] <bitplane-> sorry for making you install all that crap on your machine!
[01:51] <Logan_> Haha, no worries.
[01:52] <Logan_> I might end up using Eclipse in the future, so I'll leave it there. :-P
[01:52] <Logan_> (I have a ton of space anyway.)
[02:38] <dv310p3r> Does anyone know of any themes for the Gnome 3 classic desktop.
[02:38] <dv310p3r> Can I use theme for Gnome 2?
[02:38] <anthropos> i don't think gnome 2 themes work out of the box
[02:38] <anthropos> but a lot of them are ported
[02:39] <anthropos> there are a bunch of gnome 3 themes on deviant art, and other places.
[02:39] <dv310p3r> anthropos, and they work in classic mode?
[02:39] <anthropos> sorry, I don't know. I don't; think they'd work if you're running gnome-shell at all
[02:39] <anthropos> they will work fine of course if you are actually using gnome 2
[02:40] <snadge> maybe someone in here has an opinion.. fellow sysadmins / data centre warriors
[02:40] <anthropos> which ubuntu can do
[02:40] <dv310p3r> anthropos, I can run gnome 2 on 12.04?
[02:40] <snadge> drive in a raid 1 set on a backup server.. failed after 2.1 years power on time.. it was a seagate 1TB NS.. i have the option to replace it with an AS for $105, or an SV35 for $166
[02:40] <anthropos> yes
[02:40] <anthropos> i haven't tried to do so, but I would be shocked if you couldn't
[02:41] <anthropos> you may need to install it yourself
[02:41] <anthropos> but I doubt even that
[02:41] <snadge> are the surveilance drives worth the extra coin in a DC environment.. (powered on 24x7 and thrashed for a few hours a day) .. or is it a bit of a waste of money
[02:41] <anthropos> raid 1 for backup dude, wtf?
[02:41] <snadge> err raid 0 maybe
[02:41] <anthropos> nm, raid 1
[02:41] <anthropos> i may have mixed them up
[02:41] <anthropos> it's mirrored right?
[02:41] <anthropos> raid 1 is mirrored, i'm sorry
[02:42] <anthropos> raid 0 is striped
[02:44] <snadge> yeah mirrored
[02:46] <anthropos> anyways i don't know the answer to your question, sorry
[02:47] <anthropos> i'm not sure what extra features the 'surveillance' drives actually offer
[02:48] <anthropos> segate's site says they are literally designed for surveillance systems, so i'm not sure why they would be better for backup
[03:00] <snadge> anthropos: designed for 24x7 operation.. continuos writing
[03:00] <roasted> hello!
[04:22] <patr|ck> Hello all. If I wanna do an apt-get install pogo and make sure it really really works, then what can I do please?
[04:22] <patr|ck> system was up to date to the moment when i performed the command
[04:23] <patr|ck> the error message is: can not locate the package
[04:23] <patr|ck> "pogo"
[04:24] <Logan_> patr|ck: Is that from a PPA? It doesn't exist in the default repositories.
[04:28] <patr|ck> oh, maybe i need to add a repository then, that will be hint enough for the moment. thank you :)
[04:29] <patr|ck> btw.
[04:29] <patr|ck> (when i may say that)
[04:29] <patr|ck> I FEEL AN AWESOME LTS COMING!
[04:30] <patr|ck> i loved Ubuntu 10.04 for so long now its time for something new, right? :D
[04:30] <Logan_> patr|ck: I've been running 12.04 since Alpha 2, and I love it.
[04:31] <patr|ck> alpha2 and beta1 were too tricky for my skill level :D
[04:31] <Logan_> I even deleted Windows because I found myself not using it anymore.
[04:31] <patr|ck> wow!
[04:31] <patr|ck> means "wine" can play foreign binaries perfectly now?
[04:32] <Logan_> Haha, no, sadly.
[04:32] <patr|ck> bummer!
[04:33] <patr|ck> i have something which could be even more entertaining than Second Life but its ... you know, PROPRIETARY IDEA MANUFACTORING.
[04:33] <patr|ck> no clue how to "free" that
[04:33] <patr|ck> so it works smoothly
[04:35] <patr|ck> on the other side. maybe i should go by example and follow richard stallmans lifestyle a little bit more
[04:36] <patr|ck> and say "no" to these types of temptations? maybe.
[04:36] <patr|ck> sorry for the ramblings, bbl
[05:21] <roothorick> both empathy and pidgin are utterly worthless for voice calling over Google Talk, I'm in the process of filing bugs right now
[05:21] <roothorick> what else should I try?L
[05:21] <ChogyDan> google's plugin?
[05:29] <roothorick> ChogyDan: then I have to leave Gmail open in a browser tab at all times and don't get visual notifications
[05:30] <roothorick> not exactly ideal
[05:30] <roothorick> actually, the biggest problem with that is I have to go hunting around to find Gmail when I hear the ring
[05:30] <roothorick> at that point I might as well just answer it with my cell
[05:32] <roothorick> I want a setup that, upon an incoming call, presents me with a dialog I can click to start the conversation right then and there
[05:33] <roothorick> Pidgin gives the popup, but apparently can't connect the call properly
[05:34] <patr|ck> roothorick: i can so relate to what you wrote
[05:34] <patr|ck> (in the first part)
[05:35] <roothorick> my overall impression with Voice is "very, very rough"
[05:35] <patr|ck> why some people do voice and video conferencing when they do not have to is a myth to me tho.
[05:35] <roothorick> even on Windows it's awkward and full of gotchas
[05:35] <roothorick> seems like, if you're not using an Android device to interface with it, you have to use a browser, with all the limitations that come with that
[05:35] <patr|ck> maybe i find clue about this some day :D
[05:36] <patr|ck> i prefer letter, mail or FAX.
[05:36] <roothorick> yeah, the main reason I started looking into Voice is because I want to send/receive SMS without having to pay for an actual SMS connection
[05:36] <patr|ck> ah!
[05:37] <roothorick> works great on Android. Windows? Browser only. No notification on new messages. Linux? Same.
[05:37] <patr|ck> thats the trouble, i can see it.
[05:38] <patr|ck> what exactly would you do about it if you could make wishes as much as you like?
[05:38] <roothorick> one, integrate Voice SMS with Talk. There's no excuse, these should be connected at the hip.
[05:39] <patr|ck> hmmm, interesting
[05:39] <roothorick> I should be able to send/receive SMS through Voice via Pidgin or Empathy connected to Talk
[05:39] <patr|ck> send SMS by your own voice?
[05:39] <roothorick> nonono
[05:39] <patr|ck> thats what you desire?
[05:39] <patr|ck> oh.
[05:39] <roothorick> Google Voice does SMS stuff
[05:39] <roothorick> but you have to go through Voice to send/receive SMS
[05:39] <roothorick> it's not connected to Talk in any way
[05:40] <patr|ck> maybe these engineers got reason which i dont know about yet... hmmmm
[05:40] <patr|ck> they drink lots of "smart water" you know
[05:40] <patr|ck> more than me
[05:40] <roothorick> two, there really needs to be a standardized interface for connecting third-party clients to Voice
[05:41] <patr|ck> oh that gets tricky
[05:41] <patr|ck> third-party is like london tea party if ...
[05:42] <patr|ck> lets say -
[05:42] <patr|ck> just a fictive example:
[05:42] <patr|ck> IRC, E-Mail, Facebook and Twitter are already well connected the way they are, would your wish bring mess to too many people's lifes if they had the same wish?
[05:43] <roothorick> honestly?
[05:43] <roothorick> third-party IM clients have made things simpler for me
[05:43] <patr|ck> simpler how?
[05:43] <roothorick> In 2002 it was "I have AIM and Yahoo" "Oh I only have MSN" "Well shit now I have to install yet another thing"
[05:44] <roothorick> now I can make 12 different accounts and consolidate them all in one list in Pidgin
[05:44] <patr|ck> i start to love this "manual" kommunikation more and more
[05:44] <patr|ck> it helps with variation
[05:44] <patr|ck> it helps with concideration
[05:44] <roothorick> I don't follow.
[05:44] <patr|ck> it helps me avoid serious mistakes
[05:45] <patr|ck> not following me is the right thing i guess :D
[05:46]  * patr|ck is know longer known as FearyBuster
[05:46]  * patr|ck is also not a GPenguin anymore :D
[05:46] <patr|ck> ...............
[05:48] <Double-IPA_> So this there anyway to get gwibber to be a little smoother when scrolling. it's pretty rough.
[05:48] <roothorick> I can't help but think, between Mumble's echo cancellation being completly AWOL and my problems with VoIP, well, everything, that Precise is doing some not-so-kosher things in the pulseaudio department
[05:48] <Double-IPA_> whoops forgot the ?
[05:49] <Double-IPA_> Gwibber is really choppy, bug or feature?
[05:49] <scientes> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/new-ubuntu-sound-theme-winner-chosen/
[05:49] <scientes> i like 3 most
[05:50] <scientes> http://design.canonical.com/2012/02/sound-theme-results/
[05:51] <scientes> also, people just voted for what they heard first
[05:53] <roothorick> I disagree. The first one is the only one that really says "computer turn on" to me
[05:53] <roothorick> the other 3 are too subtle
[05:54] <roothorick> actually 3 reminds me way too much of windows 98
[05:54] <scientes> meh, maybe you are right
[05:54] <scientes> wut
[05:54] <scientes> it sounds like a wooden/pipe organ chime
[05:55] <scientes> all are much better than the old sound
[05:55] <roothorick> the startup sound for win98 had a very similar arpeggio, in the same chord even I think
[05:55] <roothorick> that's immediately where my head went when I heard it
[05:55] <roothorick> 4 is just ugly
[05:55] <roothorick> 2 is good but 1 is that little bit better
[05:55] <scientes> agreed,, i dont like 2 or 4
[06:12] <sm0ked_c00led> having issues with sound on a [AMD] Hudson Azalia Controller sound card. I can only get sound from headphones
[06:12] <sm0ked_c00led> have tried looking on the forums and making changes to the alsa.conf adn removing pulse audio but none of this has seemed to work
[06:12] <sm0ked_c00led> any ideas?
[06:13] <sm0ked_c00led> laptop is a hp g6-series with HDMI
[06:46] <Steevca> I have just upgraded ubuntu 11.10 to 12.04,and i can't get network to work.I have a DSL Modem.I also have two network cards,but i only use one because the second isn't working,can the other one cause problems?
[06:48] <Steevca> Anyone? :P
[06:52] <obelus> Steevca: By 'can't get network to work' do you mean the cards aren't being recognized by Ubuntu?
[06:53] <Steevca> obelus, It's reporting : "Device isn't ready"
[06:53] <obelus> ... is this a wireless card? Mine does that occasionally on Ubuntu 12.04
[06:54] <Steevca> obelus, it's a DLS modem.
[06:55] <Steevca> With TP-LINK TF-3200 network card.
[06:55] <Steevca> I have found something on the forums,i am goint to try that.
[07:00] <rymate1234> I'm sorry guys
[07:00] <rymate1234> but no more ubuntu for me
[07:00] <rymate1234> I've gone to arch linux
[07:00] <rymate1234> BAI!
[07:00] <tc_userme> ???
[07:00] <obelus> rymate1234: What are you switching to?
[07:00] <obelus> rymate1234: and may I ask why?
[07:01] <obelus> Ohwait
[07:01] <obelus> nevermind
[07:01] <rymate1234> lol
[07:01] <obelus> I missed your third message
[07:01] <obelus> but my second question applies still =p
[07:01] <tc_userme> i won't use mint, fedora and suse
[07:01] <rymate1234> I want to try something else
[07:01] <rymate1234> I might be back :P
[07:01] <obelus> rymate1234: Ah, okay. Have fun on your journey =3
[07:22] <sacarde> hi
[07:22] <sacarde> can you show me all packages include in cd ubuntu-12.04-beta2 ?
[08:13] <sacarde> someone tries cd ubuntu-12.04-beta2 ?
[08:15] <sacarde> can you show me output from: dpkg -l
[09:23] <larrc> hi, can't get 12.04b1 cd to boot, the screen just goes blank before grub
[09:55] <hellyeah|2> hey
[09:55] <hellyeah|2> someone there
[10:05] <Steevca> I have just upgraded ubuntu 11.10 to 12.04,and i can't get network to work.I have a DSL Modem.I also have two network cards,but i only use one because the second isn't working,can the other one cause problems?
[10:12] <Marcellina> I need help with exactly this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1942266
[10:16] <Marcellina> At least I would have to compile the ntdll.dll.so myself for i386.
[10:45] <Ederico> hello all, I have a "problem" with Firefox 11 under Ubuntu 12.04 (I installed the beta yesterday). Basically, when I close firefox all my tabs reload when I reload firefox again, however under my previous setup (running Ubuntu 10.10) only the tab which was selected loaded on Firefox's startup. Basically, I want that back and can't find the setting in Firefox (if there is any).
[10:48] <hellyeah|2> hey
[10:48] <hellyeah|2> i have a problem
[10:48] <hellyeah|2> i cannpt sign in the ubuntu 12.04 despite my username and password correct
[10:48] <hellyeah|2> i can sign in shall (ctl+alt+f1) why
[11:09] <hellyeah|2> why there is no answer
[11:25] <snadge> ergh.. bought a new video card today.. sapphire hd7970 oc
[11:25] <snadge> because i wanted faster minecraft performance.. loaded it up.. it was SLOWER than my 2 year old card which cost half as much.. hd4770
[11:26] <snadge> i was about to launch a nuclear warhead at amd's headquarters
[11:26] <sacarde> can you show me output from: dpkg -l
[11:26] <hellyeah|2> my card was about 3 years old
[11:26] <hellyeah|2> ıt stıll works call of duty mass effect 3 nfs the run
[11:26] <hellyeah|2> :D
[11:26] <snadge> when i thought i'd give gnome classic (no effects) a go.. 120fps.. instead of 20fps.. using unity2d ;)
[11:26] <snadge> so unity2d is epicly failing on a hd7870
[11:27] <snadge> when compiz is faster.. you know theres a problem.. im getting around 60-80fps with compiz running
[11:27] <snadge> id be happy with using compiz, except theres an fglrx window decoration bug
[11:30] <Ederico> hello all, I have a "problem" with Firefox 11 under Ubuntu 12.04 (I installed the beta yesterday). Basically, when I close firefox all my tabs reload when I reload firefox again, however under my previous setup (running Ubuntu 10.10) only the tab which was selected loaded on Firefox's startup. Basically, I want that back and can't find the setting in Firefox (if there is any)
[11:34] <ironhalik> hmm, only the selected tab?
[11:35] <ironhalik> in preferences -> general, you can choose what firefox should do
[11:35] <ironhalik> but there no option for single last tab
[11:35] <mrdeb> hi, is 1204 good now
[11:37] <ironhalik> define good ;>
[11:37] <penguin42> good: FIlled and covered with chocolate
[11:37] <ironhalik> hmm
[11:38] <mrdeb> i mean that it works all the time in applications
[11:38] <mrdeb> like libreoffice didnt work right before with the menu
[11:38] <ironhalik> mrdeb: generally, for most of us here I believe, its really solid
[11:38] <mrdeb> ok
[11:38] <ironhalik> but as always, there are no guarantees
[11:38] <mrdeb> y not
[11:38] <ironhalik> because its not released
[11:38] <mrdeb> it is close
[11:39] <hellyeah|2> hey
[11:39] <hellyeah|2> i have a problem
[11:39] <mrdeb> ok
[11:39] <hellyeah|2> i can sign in shall (ctl+alt+f1) but
[11:39] <ironhalik> yeah, generally, they focus on polishing now
[11:39] <mrdeb> so libreoffice is good now or not
[11:39] <hellyeah|2> cannot sign in on login screen i am using ubuntu 12.04
[11:39] <ironhalik> mrdeb: yup, for me it is very much ;>
[11:39] <warhell> im doing distroupgrade from download now
[11:40] <ironhalik> mrdeb: Im using it on two production PCs without any issues
[11:40] <mrdeb> what kernel is in it
[11:40] <ironhalik> 3.2
[11:40] <mrdeb> which 32
[11:41] <ironhalik> 3.2.0-21, PAE for 32bit
[11:41] <mrdeb> bec i know ubuntu puts in hte new one but then stops upgrading it soon and its old
[11:41] <mrdeb> why 320 when 3213 is out stable
[11:41] <ironhalik> because 3.2 was the latest during freeze
[11:42] <ironhalik> from then on, only internal fixes
[11:42] <mrdeb> i odnt understand
[11:43] <mrdeb> sorry. well its ok if it works
[11:43] <ironhalik> yeah, it works :)
[11:44] <mrdeb> is 64 bit faster on it
[11:45] <ironhalik> some say it is
[11:45] <ironhalik> for me, on two PCs, 64bit works flawlessly, so I would recommend it
[11:45] <ironhalik> its supposed to be a bit faster when decrypting, and I use encryption on my lappy
[11:47] <facebook2142> i hope ubuntu12.04 doesn't break anything when i install it when it comes out
[11:48] <mrdeb> it will be good and smooth
[11:48] <mrdeb> is ubuntu logo still ugly if u install nvidia
[11:48] <mrdeb> in bootup
[11:49] <ironhalik> I believe it is, though for me, its ugly no matter which drivers Im using
[11:49] <ironhalik> some odd bug on my particular setup
[11:49] <mrdeb> well u can delete no splahs to have real bootup still, yes?
[11:49] <mrdeb> splash
[11:49] <ironhalik> sure
[11:49] <mrdeb> ok, that is better
[11:50] <ironhalik> I dont think plymouth changed much
[11:50] <mrdeb> ubuntu needs new bootup logo
[11:50] <ironhalik> the logo is ok, its just some odd bug with plymouth
[11:52] <ironhalik> funny thing is, for me, plymouth works ok on nouveau on livecd, but not after installation
[11:52] <mrdeb> i know why
[11:52] <mrdeb> bec nvidia does not do kernel setting
[11:52] <mrdeb> so it turn it off
[11:52] <ironhalik> yeah but I dont use nvidias drivers
[11:52] <mrdeb> ok
[11:53] <mrdeb> u have to for normal speed
[11:53] <ironhalik> I dont mind :)
[11:53] <mrdeb> do u think ivy intel 4000 graphics will work on ubuntu
[11:53] <mrdeb> ?
[11:53] <ironhalik> no idea
[11:54] <ironhalik> heard there are some problems with intels IGPs
[11:54] <mrdeb> no its only if they are combos
[11:54] <mrdeb> but normal intel is good
[11:54] <mrdeb>  goodbye
[12:07] <filosofixit> Does anyone else have issues with jockey-gtk not finding my Nvidia card/drivers and falling back to the OSS-drivers? Had no issues until the latest update.. I found some posts on the internet about Xorg not beeing compatible with the latest nvidia-driver or vice versa. Is that the case?
[12:16] <Dr_willis> always a potential issue i guess.. kernel version, x version, and driver versions all got to be  just right at times.
[12:23] <worrow> everytime I restart or cold start ubuntu 12.04 my wallpaper shows as a smaller image, ie: not full screen
[12:23] <worrow> ideas?
[12:24] <Dr_willis> as a test - see if does it for a newly made user.
[12:24] <Dr_willis> if so - bug.. if not - user setting quirk
[12:32] <worrow> when the official release of 12.04 comes will I have to do a fresh install or will an update bring it to code?
[12:32] <Dr_willis> the apt-system allows upgradeing.. thats one of its main features
[12:32] <Dr_willis> I tend to do a clean reinstall however.. due to all the 'testing' of stuff i do in beta
[12:33] <worrow> ok so I am safe running the beta 2 for good seems I don't do much testing right now other than the OS
[12:33] <worrow> do you know if the voice commands will be implimented?
[12:33] <Dr_willis> no idea.
[12:34] <Dr_willis> I wouldent use them if they were. :)
[12:34] <worrow> i did notice when i restart my vm the wallpaper is scaled down for background and i have to change background and reselect mine to get it back to normal, any fixes?
[12:35] <Dr_willis> as a test - see if does it for a newly made user.
[12:35] <Dr_willis> if so - bug.. if not - user setting quirk
[12:36] <worrow> I also had another question, I consider myself to be a mac pro, but I also love Ubuntu and recommend it to everyone who asks me to help them with slow computer fixes. Do you know if this version has more support for wireless than 10.04 did?
[12:37] <worrow> I only ask because I am about to install for the in-laws but they connect to a wireless tower so if wireless is not working out of the box, there will be no way to get the drivers to it.
[12:38] <Dr_willis> worrow,  newer kernel versions always have more drivers for more stuff.
[12:38] <Dr_willis> it all depends on the exact wireless card.
[12:38] <worrow> if you don't mind me asking are you a developer or are you just a long time user?
[12:38] <Dr_willis> for some chipsets theres needed files that cant be legally included.
[12:38] <Dr_willis> Been using Linux for 13+ yrs
[12:38] <worrow> do you know the coding and that end of stuff?
[12:39] <Dr_willis> i rarely need to code anything.
[12:39] <worrow> was your learning experience for the OS from trial and error or did you buy some books and learn?
[12:39] <Dr_willis> I alwyas  check out the bargin bin tables at bookstores. (or used to at least)
[12:40] <Dr_willis> theres hunderds of free ebooks online also.
[12:40] <worrow> I want to know how to do more as I recommend this os to so many people, I want to be able to help them with things when they need help.
[12:40] <worrow> also to be helpful in here
[12:40] <Dr_willis> !manual
[12:41] <Dr_willis> theres so many differnt topics.. all i can say is pick one and start reading up on it.. then expand
[12:41] <worrow> fair enough
[12:41] <Dr_willis> learning BASH should be in the top 5 to do lists.. :)
[12:42] <worrow> I don't even know what BASH is, I'll do some research
[12:42] <Dr_willis> !bash
[12:42] <Dr_willis> Os-X has bash also. :P
[12:43] <worrow> My biggest thing is when installing and uninstalling and it states that certain packages must be removed, I want to be able to know what they are for and what not.
[12:43] <worrow> but BASH sounds interesting.
[12:43] <worrow> I'll make a list and start from the manual and move from there.
[12:43] <Dr_willis> fire up synaptic and check the get-deb sites and read up on the packaegs
[12:44] <Dr_willis> the manuals are often out of date. :) thats always  the last things to get updated..
[12:44] <worrow> Dr_willis, thank you for your time.
[12:44] <worrow> Have a good day all. Thanks for the help/
[12:58] <larrc> it used to be that holding shift you could get into more boot options, is it removed from 12.04 beta cd?
[12:59] <dv310p3r> How can I manage the monitors in 12.04 gnome 3?
[13:05] <Geralt> I have problems with the alternate install of Xubuntu 12.04 Beta 2. I downloaded it now twice and both times I have corrupted .deb packages although the checksums of my .iso matches
[13:06] <Geralt> I'm creating a live usb stick with usb-creator-gtk
[13:06] <Geralt> btw. Hi
[13:07] <larrc> it's quiet in here...
[13:12] <snadge> Geralt: the iso is probably corrupted
[13:13] <snadge> maybe try a daily build instead
[13:13] <Geralt> snadge: you mean the contents?
[13:13] <Geralt> I will, thanks
[13:13] <snadge> yeah
[13:13] <snadge> surprised that one wasnt picked up.. maybe theres a way to not install the deb packages which cause the issue
[13:16] <dv310p3r> How can I manager my monitors?
[13:16] <Geralt> snadge: I just burned the image and I'm running the check disc option now, maybe there's some issue with creating a live usb stick
[13:16] <dv310p3r> I want to put a monitor on top instead of to the right?
[13:16] <dv310p3r> I used to do this easily in Gnome 2.
[13:24] <dv310p3r> WTF! Why is GNOME 3 so bad? I mean I'm really trying here. But why can't I put my monitors where I want to? It was such a universal feature in all desktop environments, why not in Gnome 3?
[13:27] <Geralt> integrity test from a burned cdrom was successful, I'm trying to install from CD now. I don't understand what went wrong with the usb stick. I even tried two different sticks and I successfully booted some live systems from those just last week
[13:30] <tarvid> static ip?
[13:30] <tarvid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/911465/
[13:30] <tarvid> dns resolution is not working
[13:31] <slipttees> kklimonda: yo
[13:31] <slipttees> ops
[13:31] <slipttees> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/971477
[13:31] <tarvid> actually networking is broken
[13:32] <slipttees> tarvid: me too...
[13:32] <tarvid> 12.04 works on my laptop
[13:32] <slipttees> no list wireless ssid
[13:32] <slipttees> i need disable and enable to work
[13:35] <Geralt> When 12.04 is release in the near future, is there an easy way to switch from beta to the regular release? I never used a Ubuntu beta before...
[13:39] <tarvid> Geralt, yes apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[13:39] <tarvid> may need dist upgrade
[13:43] <Geralt> tarvid: figured as much, thanks
[13:43] <Geralt> btw. the installation from the cdrom image succeeded
[13:54] <krod2389> I reported a wireless bug on launchpad, but it's been sitting there for months. I just got told to report it upstream (which I did), but no-one has responded there.
[13:56] <amarcolino> are there any issues with ubuntu server that I am not aware of as I have managed to install it without a problem but can't seem to boot, all I get is a black screen.
[14:03] <bobweaver> Hello there I am having massive troubles with lightdm with 12.04. I get locked out of my computer just about 80% of the time. Meaning that I try to sign it but it just sits there saying "signing in"  I have to drop to shell restart lightdm and that still does not work (90% of the time).   So I have to re-boot  over and over again until it works. This can take up to 3 hours sometimes. I am not Sure where to even start looking for error on this
[14:03] <bobweaver>  one. Any direction would be great cheers
[14:22] <Archwyle> hello, i've a little problem, i'd like to enable opengl acceleration in 12.04, for an nvidia ion card. can someone point me to a guide?
[14:22] <mkultra_> alt + f2, or windows /mac key if your in unity
[14:22] <mkultra_> then run gksu jockey-gtk
[14:23] <bobweaver> Archwyle, could we see lspci -nn | grep VGA
[14:23] <mkultra_> gksu jockey-gtk in a terminal lol
[14:23] <Archwyle> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:a001] (rev 02)
[14:23] <Archwyle> 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation Device [10de:0a76] (rev a2)
[14:23] <mkultra_> jockey gtk will install nvidia drivers
[14:24] <bobweaver> ok there is a repo with beeter driver
[14:24] <Archwyle> mkultra_: i installed them nvidia-current nvidia-current-updates and so on
[14:24] <mkultra_> correct, 1's version current, others version current with updates
[14:24] <Archwyle> but nvidia-settings give no glue
[14:24] <mkultra_> you need mesa for that
[14:25] <bobweaver> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[14:25] <bobweaver> then sudo apt-get update
[14:25] <bobweaver> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:25] <mkultra_> sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
[14:25] <Archwyle> ok so the drivers are in ubuntu-x-swat and they work for ion. i'll give it a try
[14:26] <bobweaver> then sudo apt-get install mesa-   he bet me to it
[14:26] <bobweaver> beat ^
[14:26] <bobweaver> then sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[14:26] <Archwyle> bobweaver: okok tyvm
[14:27] <bobweaver> that repo is the bleeding edge for xorg stuff
[14:27] <bobweaver> there is also xorg crack
[14:27] <bobweaver> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[14:27] <bobweaver> use at your own risk ^^
[14:27] <mkultra_> im starving
[14:28]  * bobweaver hands mkultra_  a cookie 
[14:28] <bobweaver> there is beer in the IRC fridge
[14:28] <mkultra_> calzone from save-a-lot sounds better
[14:29] <bobweaver> yum I mean apt
[14:29] <mkultra_> i got a bunch of cheese sticks for my deep fryer, my apt neighbors are going to love me
[14:31] <bobweaver> mkultra_,  love the name and the track  Check The Technique
[14:32] <mkultra_> yeah, my life philosophy is that "i am just an ant, and need to be poisoned  to death as such"
[14:33] <agoodm> woah ive just fixed my x220 external dual monitor lagging issues :-D
[14:33] <agoodm> now its as smooth as a babies ass
[14:33] <mkultra_> i bet lol
[14:33] <mkultra_> did you do jockey gtk also?
[14:34] <agoodm> id love to somehow document the findings of my experimentation somewhere but cant find how/where to do it
[14:34] <mkultra_> sometimes it doesnt activate the driver right and needs to be re ran
[14:34] <agoodm> perhaps if I dictate it here someone can relay it to the relevant place for me?
[14:34] <agoodm> no the drivers etc all seemed to be working but I just didnt feel compiz and especially scrolling was performing as well as it could
[14:35] <mkultra_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1836890 these are my notes....
[14:35] <agoodm> and having 2x monitors plugged in both at 1920x1200 seemed to make it much worse
[14:35] <agoodm> wow there is quite a lot to read there... all ive done is in ccsm ive turned the texture filter to fast
[14:36] <mkultra_> i make it so i can do the tutorials in like 20 seconds if they are long
[14:36] <agoodm> everything looks identical to before to me; but frame rate in scrolling feels like 30-60 vs 5
[14:36] <Archwyle> ok, 1st things 1st, jockey-gtk doesn't recognize the fact that i have an nvidia ion. 2nd nvidia-current in those repo isn't the same as in the officials?
[14:37] <agoodm> all ive got is intel onboard
[14:37] <agoodm> gma 3000 i think it is?
[14:37] <agoodm> lspci says i915
[14:37] <mkultra_> i should write a tutorial on how to install nvidia's driver from its site
[14:37] <agoodm> and I use a bunch of i915 kernel options to get better battery life
[14:37] <agoodm> grabbing windows and flinging them at my other monitor no longer starts with lag and becomes smoother, smooth from the start now
[14:38] <Archwyle> i did it in debian. it's the same. if you can you should write a guide about how to enable opengl acceleration on nvidia ion ;-)
[14:38] <agoodm> thats better performance then I get in 7 with aero =)
[14:39] <Archwyle> i'm not sure even with the drivers from theyr site, nvidia-settings would see the nvidia ion
[14:39] <bobweaver> Archwyle,  no them repos install the lastedt and greatest aka 295.33
[14:41] <bobweaver> sorry the 270.41.19
[14:41] <bobweaver> and  and beta 275.09
[14:41] <Archwyle> hmm i'm using german repos and the one i see is 295.33, i installed the one from x-swat ppa wich are 295.33 and no difference
[14:41] <bobweaver> http://ubuntuguide.net/install-new-official-nvidia-driver-release-270-41-19-in-ubuntu-11-04-from-ppa
[14:42] <Archwyle> did that.
[14:42] <bobweaver> you have upgraded also ?
[14:42] <bobweaver> and rebooted ?
[14:42] <Archwyle> i think is a problem in nvidia ion
[14:42] <slipttees> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/971477
[14:42] <bobweaver> do you get nvidia icon ?
[14:42] <Archwyle> nope
[14:42] <Archwyle> let's chat
[14:44] <Xunil> Hi everyone, is it possible to configure KDE apps in a way that scrolling affects a certain percentage of total screen height (or: certain amount of pixels) instead of a certain amount of rows?
[14:45] <Xunil> Because the latter one is not really sensible when comparing e.g. the row size of a text (small) and of a large image row (large)
[14:50] <agoodm> lets try to strain graphics performance with a full HD video on one monitor and working on the other see if performance feels better :D
[14:53] <agoodm> much better!
[15:06] <tarvid_> back with my laptop on the static address I cannot make work on ubuntu-server
[15:07] <tarvid_> I really need to move on
[15:07] <tarvid_> do I install desktop on my intended server or is there a way to fix networking with a static address?
[15:13] <mkultra_> id use a server install cd, and apt-get ssh onto it, then use a more graphical and built up ubuntu to send ssh codes to it
[15:13] <mkultra_> disable ssh on it when your done, or dont expose the ssh port to the outside of the network
[15:13] <tarvid> i did install server and I can ssh from a neighbor but otherwise networking is brokenn
[15:14] <tarvid> can't ping any host other than the neighbor
[15:14] <mkultra_> you cant have it ping the gateway or dns?
[15:14] <tarvid> that is correct, I cannot ping any host other than a neighbor
[15:14] <Volkodav> The partial upgrade removed all of my i386 dependencies on 64 bit such as ia32-libs qt4 for skype etc - is there a way to get them back without breaking the system
[15:15] <tarvid> truly odd
[15:15] <mkultra_> i think you can apt-get individual packages of 386
[15:15] <mkultra_> tarvid what does "ifconfig" say in terminal?
[15:15] <yofel> you can, with <package>:i386
[15:16] <tarvid> looks normal
[15:16] <tarvid> and I can't do apt-get until networking works
[15:17] <Volkodav> yofel = long time no see - there is a whole bunch of them running in circle with dependencies borked - normally installing skype will bring them all
[15:17] <mkultra_> cat /etc/resolv*
[15:17] <yofel> Volkodav: try installing skype:i386
[15:18] <Volkodav> hmm should I uninstall existing one ?
[15:18] <yofel> it should do that automatically
[15:18] <yofel> iirc they conflict
[15:18] <Volkodav> let mre try
[15:19] <tarvid> cat resolv.conf always points to localhost
[15:19] <tarvid> dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't do anything
[15:20] <mkultra_> bleh
[15:20] <tarvid> in fact, that file is bare dhcp on the laptop which does work with static addresses on a hard wired connection
[15:20] <mkultra_> i dont know ubuntu's networking very well
[15:20] <tarvid> 11.10 works fine
[15:21] <tarvid> I normally don't install a desktop on a server but ...
[15:21] <tarvid> Frankly, I am agnostic about that issue at this point
[15:21] <Volkodav> yofel: http://pastie.org/3714993  seems strange since did not ask for i386 dependencies
[15:22] <mkultra_> id put desktop on it for a boot via usb drive live boot and see whats going on with it
[15:22] <yofel> Volkodav: meh, they somhow changed that, next install skype-bin:i386
[15:22] <yofel> *somehow
[15:22] <Volkodav> fonts got all weird since no qt on the system too
[15:22] <yofel> *that* should ask
[15:24] <tarvid_> burning  a cd at the moment
[15:24] <tarvid_> desktop has a different networking configuration
[15:24] <Volkodav> yofel:  pretrty much the same http://pastie.org/pastes/3715016
[15:25] <yofel> doesn't seem like you're missing anything then
[15:25] <tarvid_> can't even support bug reports without networking
[15:25] <yofel> for example, is libqtgui4:i386 installed?
[15:26] <Volkodav> well I do since fonts went all weird in skype and googleearth package will not build pointing the ia32-libs missing pulling gstreamer furthe on and so on
[15:27] <Volkodav> yofel: libqtgui4:i386 is already the newest version.
[15:27] <Volkodav> libqtgui4:i386 set to manually installed.
[15:27] <ThomasBoxley> Hello, I am running the latest beta of Ubuntu Precise. My desktop language seems to have changed to Chinese, and going in the Language Support settings and clicking English doesn't seem to do anything :|
[15:27] <yofel> Volkodav: then I don't know what's wrong, skype works fine here
[15:27] <ThomasBoxley> http://i.imgur.com/0y1PJ.jpg
[15:28] <Volkodav> it works here too but interface changed and I know it is qt packages to \blame
[15:29] <ThomasBoxley> I'm clicking English but nothing is happening!
[15:30] <ThomasBoxley> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[15:30] <mkultra_> id reinstall in english
[15:31] <mkultra_> make a good live flash drive and keep it handy
[15:31] <ThomasBoxley> I'd much rather not reinstall.
[15:31] <mkultra_> unetbootin works good, just feed it an iso
[15:31] <mkultra_> why not?
[15:31] <ThomasBoxley> I installed it in English, and I restarted and it was suddenly in this language.
[15:31] <mkultra_> strange
[15:31] <ThomasBoxley> Because reinstalling is a major inconvenience.
[15:32] <mkultra_> i try to minimize that aspect of things, external drives / separate partitions
[15:33] <krod2389> ThomasBoxley: Have you tried choosing English as your language?
[15:33] <ThomasBoxley> yes...
[15:33] <ThomasBoxley> And then I've clicked Apply System-Wide
[15:34] <ThomasBoxley> nothing happens, not even anything in the terminal output
[15:35] <krod2389> What are your lang/locale environment variables set to?
[15:35] <ThomasBoxley> English (United States)
[15:35] <ThomasBoxley> I'm going to restart, and hopefully it goes back to the way it was. If not, I'll be back.
[15:35] <agoodm> hmm interesting
[15:36] <agoodm> in ccsm under composite what is the refresh rate setting for?
[15:36] <agoodm> default is 50, im using tfts that work at 60hz; shouldnt it be 60?
[15:36] <mkultra_> put it to 60
[15:36] <agoodm> done
[15:36] <krod2389> It doesn't have to match your TFT refresh rate
[15:36] <krod2389> They're complely separate things
[15:37] <mkultra_> most monitors can go a little over
[15:37] <mkultra_> be careful
[15:37] <TSlackM> Hi, im having a problem with the fglrx drivers, they arent starting. tried both using the repos and manual install, still black screen and have to go into recovery mode and uninstall. any tips?, have tried amdconfig --initial -f.  radeon HD 6310 card btw
[15:37] <mkultra_> id get my old crt going 100 fps
[15:38] <agoodm> setting it to 60 doesnt seem to change anything so ill leave it be
[15:39] <ThomasBoxley> okay
[15:39] <agoodm> when playing full screen video im getting tearing
[15:39] <ThomasBoxley> Still broken. I need to find what packages are providing this language, and what language this even is.
[15:39] <agoodm> next trouble shooting step is the power saving stuff ive added to my kernel command line
[15:40] <agoodm> one of them could create tearing iirc
[15:41] <krod2389> What has power saving got to do with screen tearing? Isn't it more an issue of using vsync for your graphics driver?
[15:42] <ThomasBoxley> There is no other language pack installed
[15:42] <ThomasBoxley> :|
[15:44] <agoodm> krod2389, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagement/PowerSavingTweaks read this
[15:44] <ThomasBoxley> The problem has been fixed. I didn't know that you could drag the languages in the list around. It's by priority.
[15:45] <ThomasBoxley> I dragged English (United States) to the top, and put English under that. Then I moved the eastern language to the bottom of the list.
[15:45] <Volkodav> yofel: now I removed skype:i386 and skype:bin and skype will not install
[15:45] <krod2389> agoodm: So you're using a compositor but also power saving tweaks? Isn't that a contradiction?
[15:46] <yofel> does it say why?
[15:46] <krod2389> ThomasBoxley: Ah, sounds confusing. Still - how the hell did Chinese ever become your priority language in the first place? A bug?
[15:46] <agoodm> tbh I get 7 hours battery life with the unity 3d enabled on battery
[15:46] <ThomasBoxley> krod2389: I actually think I might have done it accidentally when playing around with the new system settings.
[15:47] <agoodm> and when its docked connected to these screens im on AC
[15:47] <krod2389> ThomasBoxley: Ah ok. Nevermind
[15:47] <Volkodav> yofel: aska for skype:bin
[15:47] <wcchandler> is aircrack-ng not available?
[15:47] <yofel> wcchandler: was removed, you'll need to install it from oneiric archive
[15:48] <yofel> Volkodav: does installing that tell anything more?
[15:48] <yofel> wcchandler: or find a ppa that has it
[15:49] <Volkodav> yofel: nope
[15:49] <yofel> :/
[15:50] <Volkodav> it installed deb package from skype with same crooked fonts - qt is missinf again and googleearth pasckage will not build because of ia32-libs package
[15:51] <yofel> hm, you had Qt installed though
[15:52] <Volkodav> not the way skype looks though
[15:54] <Volkodav> yofel: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[15:54] <Volkodav>  ia32-libs-multiarch:i386 : Depends: gstreamer0.10-plugins-good:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[15:56] <yofel> hm, I have those installed though o.O
[15:56] <yofel> what happens when you install  gstreamer0.10-plugins-good:i386?
[16:06] <sebastianperdomo> hello
[16:06] <sebastianperdomo> anybody here?
[16:06] <bazhang> yes
[16:06] <sebastianperdomo> can you help me with ubuntu 12.04?
[16:06] <dave2012> 'm trying to install XBMC, I've tried the ppa route through terminal but no joy, it says unable to find it?
[16:08] <sebastianperdomo> Im trying to erase the "recent files", like the historic of recent files open but there isnt an option for that
[16:08] <dave2012> doesn't bleachbit remove these?
[16:09] <sebastianperdomo> no no, bleachbit
[16:09] <sebastianperdomo> is a disk
[16:09] <sebastianperdomo> clean disk space*
[16:10] <dave2012> I see
[16:10] <sebastianperdomo> In ubuntu 12.04
[16:10] <sebastianperdomo> when you hit.. I dont know how to say it in english.. in spanish is Inicio
[16:10] <sebastianperdomo> it appears all of your recent programs used, recent files opened. etc
[16:11] <dave2012> ooer....not seen that yet
[16:11] <sebastianperdomo> Its annoying, and I cant hide that or erase it D:
[16:11] <dave2012> must be a bug?
[16:12] <sebastianperdomo> probably.. :(
[16:13] <dave2012> you mean 'privacy' ?
[16:14] <dave2012> I've just opened mine, deleted the last hour and closed it...
[16:14] <sebastianperdomo> I think I will just downgrade
[16:14] <dave2012> mine worked fine
[16:14] <dave2012> weird that
[16:15] <sebastianperdomo> yeah.. Im still in love with 10.04
[16:15] <sebastianperdomo> java doesnt work with 12.04
[16:16] <dave2012> hehe....oh dear
[16:16] <dave2012> not tried that either yet :(
[16:16] <sebastianperdomo> so that means that, even if you had wine, you cant run Jdownloader (for download aceleration) and things like that
[16:17] <dave2012> I've managed to run the amazon e-book reader via wine
[16:17] <dave2012> but not sure if it uses java
[16:18] <An_Ony_Moose> the beta iso is over 700MB... Are CDs no longer supported?
[16:18] <dave2012> however I've deleted that now and use Calibre instead ;)
[16:18] <dave2012> mine wasn't
[16:18] <dave2012> 699mb
[16:18] <sebastianperdomo> no no, its 695 mb. a little more and cds were useful
[16:19] <dave2012> mine burnt fine to cd
[16:19] <An_Ony_Moose> huhhuhhuh
[16:19] <An_Ony_Moose> never mind nautlius was being an idiot
[16:19] <An_Ony_Moose> huh even
[16:20] <dave2012> ;)
[16:20] <sebastianperdomo> its rare, because to me when I clicked it said 703 mb and I was: fuck. but in properties said 695 mb and was like: o.O but in the end, it burnt fine
[16:20] <An_Ony_Moose> probably a discrepancy between 1k = 1000 and 1k = 1024
[16:21] <dave2012> so did mine, I even added over burning as a just in case :/
[16:21] <dave2012> installed perfectly
[16:21] <An_Ony_Moose> huh... wtf
[16:21] <An_Ony_Moose> apparently the CD has 4.0MB of free space
[16:22] <sebastianperdomo> yeah, me too.. a little worried but it in the end everything was fine
[16:22] <dave2012> a full 4 meg eh ;$
[16:22] <An_Ony_Moose> ah there we go
[16:22] <An_Ony_Moose> heh
[16:22] <An_Ony_Moose> silly brasero
[16:22] <sebastianperdomo> hey, in 11.10 you know you cant minimize full screen chromium? :O
[16:22] <dave2012> nope
[16:22] <sebastianperdomo> or almost any program
[16:22] <sebastianperdomo> :O
[16:23] <An_Ony_Moose> this kind of thing is why I want to go back to ubuntu from sid...
[16:23] <dave2012> maverick is good
[16:23] <sebastianperdomo> when you minimize it, automaticly it closes
[16:23] <dave2012> I started with that
[16:23] <sebastianperdomo> yeaah, maverick :')
[16:23] <An_Ony_Moose> I don't really like ubuntu any more but I haven't found any other debian-based distros offering stability AND up-to-date software
[16:24] <dave2012> Zorin isn't too bad either
[16:24] <penguin42> An_Ony_Moose: You might try Mint
[16:24] <sebastianperdomo> In downloading now 10.04 again.. that was the onlyone that was perfect for me (xubuntu 11.04 was good too)
[16:25] <dave2012> xubuntu is quick
[16:25] <sebastianperdomo> extremly
[16:25] <sebastianperdomo> but you got to depend more from the terminal there
[16:25] <dave2012> yer
[16:25] <An_Ony_Moose> I really have nothing against the terminal
[16:26] <An_Ony_Moose> I figure it's the best way of doing things
[16:26] <sebastianperdomo> in ubuntu to an .exe file is: properties, mark as executable, but xubuntu: terminal, chmode +x filename, etc
[16:26] <sebastianperdomo> yeah, its the best mode
[16:26] <dave2012> I'm a relative newbie, ran into problems installing Arch
[16:26] <dave2012> gave it up in the end :(
[16:26] <sebastianperdomo> but it takes time to learn
[16:26] <dave2012> sure does
[16:27] <An_Ony_Moose> dave2012: I don't want a windows look-alike, blugh
[16:28] <sebastianperdomo> at what speed you download files?
[16:29] <dave2012> around 9.7Mbit
[16:29] <dave2012> im on a 100Mbit connection
[16:30] <sebastianperdomo> :O mega envy
[16:30] <dave2012> really?
[16:30] <dave2012> u not on dialup surely?
[16:30] <sebastianperdomo> yeah.. in my country the almost fastest is 3 mb (paraguay, my connection)
[16:30] <sebastianperdomo> 300 to 800 kbps sometimes
[16:30] <dave2012> wowzer
[16:31] <An_Ony_Moose> ugh I hate speeds expressed in Mbit
[16:31] <dave2012> good weather though ;)
[16:31] <An_Ony_Moose> just a lousy excuse of ISPs to show bigger numbers and confuse customers
[16:31] <dave2012> true true
[16:31] <sebastianperdomo> yeah, summer all year long
[16:31] <dave2012> now I envy you ;)
[16:32] <An_Ony_Moose> I like Lyon where I live
[16:32] <sebastianperdomo> we envy brazil :(
[16:32] <dave2012> England.....damp,cold dreary
[16:32] <An_Ony_Moose> summer in summer, real winter in winter
[16:32] <An_Ony_Moose> I used to live in England
[16:32] <dave2012> really?
[16:32] <sebastianperdomo> brazil: summer, good connection..
[16:32] <dave2012> hehe
[16:32] <An_Ony_Moose> yeah, near london
[16:32] <dave2012> oooer
[16:32] <dave2012> Nah, Yorkshire me
[16:32] <An_Ony_Moose> ah
[16:32] <dave2012> Sheffeild
[16:33] <dave2012> Sheffield
[16:33] <An_Ony_Moose> ah ok
[16:33] <An_Ony_Moose> brb booting beta disc
[16:33] <dave2012> k
[16:33] <dave2012> Brazil is lovely
[16:33] <dave2012> I'd like to go there some day
[16:33] <dave2012> probably never come back  lol
[16:33] <sebastianperdomo> You know here in paraguay, if a cop stops you because you passed the speed limit, the bill is 100 $ but if you said him: ;) take this (5 $) they dont bill you :D
[16:34] <dave2012> roflmao!!
[16:34] <sebastianperdomo> yeah, they only want money for they cigarettes
[16:34] <dave2012> we'd get run in for offering a bribe lol
[16:35] <dave2012> police state here..well almost
[16:35] <sebastianperdomo> hahaha that's good from here.
[16:35] <penguin42> dave2012: Of course they know you said that and will be along shortly
[16:35] <dave2012> lovely
[16:35] <dave2012> bring it on
[16:35] <dave2012> ;)
[16:35] <sebastianperdomo> yeah, in 1rst world countries cops are serious
[16:36] <sebastianperdomo> I went 2 weeks to EEUU.
[16:36] <dave2012> ooer
[16:36] <sebastianperdomo> there if you are minor aged and you're drunk there is a bill of 200 i think
[16:36] <sebastianperdomo> here nothing :O
[16:36] <dave2012> yer, time we changed it
[16:37] <dave2012> sick of all the false laws
[16:37] <sebastianperdomo> haha.. aaarg still waiting to 10.04 download..
[16:37] <sebastianperdomo> do you play something?
[16:37] <sebastianperdomo> ps3, xbox, pc?
[16:38] <dave2012> need for speed world, that is about it really
[16:38] <sebastianperdomo> console or pc¿
[16:38] <dave2012> pc
[16:39] <dave2012> it's a good fast game
[16:39] <dave2012> I don't get bored easily ;)
[16:39] <sebastianperdomo> Im desperate trying to get money.. I need a pc with an envidia gforce, the oldy ones
[16:39] <sebastianperdomo> yeaah, I know man, I spend 3 or 4 hs playing ps3
[16:40] <dave2012> what lvl u on?
[16:40] <dave2012> i'm on lvl 24
[16:41] <sebastianperdomo> just in 18 I think
[16:41] <bazhang> !ot
[16:41] <An_Ony_Moose> well that failed
[16:41] <dave2012> damn
[16:41] <sebastianperdomo> sorry
[16:41] <bazhang> dave2012, sebastianperdomo lets take this to #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:42] <dave2012> well it's dead apart from us?
[16:42] <larcc> finally got 12.04 to install on this pc but now dash is empty
[16:42] <bazhang> dave2012, its not the chat channel, it is for the development release bug fixing and testing
[16:43] <dave2012> ok mein fuhrer!
[16:43] <sebastianperdomo> I think I downloaded my 10.04..
[16:43] <sebastianperdomo> what is the
[16:43] <sebastianperdomo> problem with your dash?
[16:43] <dave2012> l8trz dood
[16:44] <larcc> if i type, it starts searching but nothing comes up
[16:45] <sebastianperdomo> hmmm.. you tried to restarting it?
[16:45] <sebastianperdomo> or to
[16:45] <sebastianperdomo> update?
[16:45] <larcc> i rebooted and still same prob
[16:46] <sebastianperdomo> be glad, my dash is full of recent files and I can't hide or erase that
[16:46] <sebastianperdomo> hmmm.. sure your installation cd is ok?
[16:47] <sebastianperdomo> do you check already if it need updates?
[16:47] <sebastianperdomo> first when I installed it
[16:47] <sebastianperdomo> it needed 323 updates
[16:47] <larcc> already did the updates. dash was working fine on the livecd
[16:50] <dekatch> he, i downloaded 12.04 and created a bootable usb stick with unetbootin on a windows! now when i try to boot from my usb it says "BOOTMGR is missing". someone know why?
[16:50] <5EXAAMSPA> hey anyone using / testing Kubuntu 12.04 here?
[16:50] <sebastianperdomo> larcc, try: unity --reset in terminal
[16:50] <jaison1> Hi. I use ubuntu .  The Focus animation of "dodge" doesn't actually perform the dodge.  Instead, the window I click *first* comes forward, then moves up and down.  Hence there's no dodge effect. How do I fix it?
[16:50] <jaison1> *ubuntu 12.04 beta 2
[16:51] <sebastianperdomo> dekatch I recommend you that you buy a cd  and burnt the iso image there
[16:52] <larcc> hmm system problem detected...
[16:52] <dekatch> well, that would be a simple bugfix! just avoid the usb option and go for cd! thats not the solution i am looking for sebastianperdomo
[16:57] <5EXAAMSPA> Where should i report some problems with Kubuntu 12.04 beta 2 ? I dont know if there are "bugs" or not
[16:58] <bazhang> !bugs | 5EXAAMSPA
[16:59] <5EXAAMSPA> bazhang: yeah, but im just using the beta 2 live from a usb stick - not sure if my problems are just normal beta stuff or not
[17:00] <bazhang> 5EXAAMSPA, always a good idea to report them, thats how we make kubuntu/ubuntu/etc better
[17:00] <dekatch> wow, i get a link to ubuntu+1 for ubuntu 12.04 support from official ubuntu channels and here i just get no answeres at all
[17:01] <bazhang> dekatch, then be patient. perhaps no one knows the  answer right now
[17:02] <An_Ony_Moose> dekatch: nobody here is paid or in any way obliged to help you
[17:02] <dekatch> nevermind! so i just decided to not switch to ubuntu !!!!
[17:02] <dekatch> np bazhang, ill just stick with win7+debian6 for now !!!
[17:02] <dekatch> thx An_Ony_Moose
[17:02] <bazhang> ok bye
[17:02] <dekatch> your right! nobody is
[17:48] <alex_mayorga> Something dissabled nouveau here, text is all blurry and make my eyes hurt
[17:48] <alex_mayorga> how can I re-enable it?
[18:00] <server_> what shuld i do to degrade to ubuntu 10.1 from 12.04 a sorry am new in this form all other this are okey with this aprt from my mkahawa timer in my cafe server
[18:00] <jtaylor> downgrading is not possible unless you took some kind of snapshot before upgrading
[18:01] <bazhang> server_, no downgrade possible
[18:02] <server_> u mean i server the consequence forever? bazhang!!!
[18:02] <bazhang> server_, pardon? it's a beta release
[18:03] <bazhang> server_, you should never use that unless you are willing to deal with the bugs
[18:03] <server_> now that my mkahawa cant work wht should i do then?
[18:04] <bazhang> what is mkahawa
[18:04] <bazhang> !info mkahawa
[18:04] <server_> that my server timer
[18:04] <bazhang> server_, whats the actual package name
[18:06] <Yaaaaaa> why is alsa-hda-dkms required to make intel hd audio work properly in 12.04? took me hours to figure that out it worked fine on oneiric without it..
[18:06] <server_> that is the one have been using in ubuntu 10.04 and 10.1  at my cyber cafe as timer .yes mkahawa!!!
[18:07] <bazhang> server_, there's no package by that name that I can see
[18:07] <bazhang> !find mkahawa
[18:09] <server_> omy it too late on side of my world let tolk tomorow
[18:14] <JanC> *sigh*, why dus ubuntu remove my compiz config tweaks on upgrade...
[18:14] <ssfdre38> JanC, just logout and log back in
[18:15] <JanC> ssfdre38: eh?
[18:15] <JanC> you mean I get my old config back then?
[18:15] <ssfdre38> yea
[18:15] <JanC> WTF
[18:15] <JanC> how/why they do *that*?
[18:16] <ssfdre38> its a small bug and it has been reported
[18:16] <ssfdre38> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/963093
[18:18] <johnjohn101> when is new artwork going to be shipped with beta version?
[18:20] <larcc> hi, still trying to get dash working. thanks to advice here i did unity --reset and fixed a problem with fglrx but i'm still stuck without a working dash
[18:21] <JanC> ssfdre38: I see no flickering?
[18:21] <larcc> i got this error from unity --reset : unity.glib.dbusproxy GLibDBusProxy.cpp:283 Calling method "GlobalSearch" on object path: "/com/canonical/unity/lens/applications" failed: Timeout was reached
[18:26] <JanC> so, obviously that doesn't fix anything
[18:42] <Steevca> I have just upgraded ubuntu 11.10 to 12.04,and i can't get network to work.I have a DSL Modem.I also have two network cards,but i only use one because the second isn't working,can the other one cause problems?
[18:43] <jtaylor> do you have apparmor-profiles installed?
[18:44] <Steevca> jtaylor, me?
[18:44] <jtaylor> yes
[18:44] <Steevca> I am not sure,i am on windows now.
[18:44] <Steevca> Tell me everything you need to know so i can check it and report to you here.
[18:45] <jtaylor> check, apt-cache policy apparmor-profiles
[18:45] <jtaylor> if it says installed: some-version
[18:45] <jtaylor> if yes try sudo aa-complain /etc/apparmor.d/sbin.dhclient
[18:45] <jtaylor> that was preventing me from getting internet access a while ago
[18:47] <Steevca> What shoud i do if it's not installed?
[18:47] <jtaylor> then its not the reason and I can't help you :/
[18:47] <jtaylor> if your windows can read the ubuntu partition you can check from there
[18:51] <tim`> has anyone run into issues with python-qwt5-qt4 on 12.04 beta 2 ?
[18:51] <jtaylor> !anyone | tim`
[18:52] <tim`> >>> import PyQt4.Qwt5 as Qwt
[18:52] <tim`> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[18:52] <tim`> the behavior im seeing :)
[18:54]  * micahg wonders if someone forgot a rebuild
[18:54] <jtaylor> probably
[18:54] <mdwrigh2> Has anyone managed to get adb working on 12.04 beta2, 64-bit?
[18:54] <jtaylor> ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/PyQt4/Qwt5/Qwt.so: undefined symbol: Py_InitModule4_64
[18:54] <jtaylor> hm where does that come from
[18:55] <jtaylor> ah no just pytohn-dbg weirdness
[18:56] <tim`> importing the python qwt5 libraries just segfaults, would doing a package rebuild locally likely correct this ?
[18:56] <jtaylor> possibly, I'm just trying
[18:58] <jtaylor> yes does fix it
[18:58] <jtaylor> micahg: do you want to do the honors?
[18:59] <tim`> excellent ;-)
[18:59] <micahg> jtaylor: it's in universe :)
[18:59] <micahg> or is it just that binary
[18:59] <micahg> jtaylor: nope, you go ahead, you did the testing :)
[19:00] <jtaylor> I wonder what changed
[19:00] <micahg> jtaylor: let's switch to -motu
[19:02] <mdwrigh2> I can see the device via lsusb (so its connected fine), I've turned android debugging on (my mac can see it), and I've setup udev rules for it. adb still refuses to see the device
[19:03] <jtaylor> tim`: thanks for the report
[19:05] <itaylor57> KM0201, o/
[19:05] <blami> why does menu proxy works only in some gtk apps?
[19:06] <neyder_> hi there
[19:06] <blami> for example in gvim - when I launch gvim using launcher or directly from nautilus, it works as expected, but when I launch it from console, menu is not present
[19:07] <KM0201> itaylor57: o/
[19:39] <ironhalik> hmm, how can I access a /dev/sth over ssh?
[19:39] <ironhalik> I mean, to point vlc to open a /dev/ stream from remote ssh location?
[19:47] <mongo> ironhalik: look up "ssh tunnel"
[19:47] <mongo> but VLC is going to be pretty high bandwidth
[19:48] <mongo> http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/29/how-to-stream-almost-anything-using-vlc/ <-- you stream your output to a local ssh tunnel
[19:48] <JanC> bandwidth depends on the source, doesn't have to be high...
[19:48] <mongo> you will probably want to use -c arcfour on ssh unless you have aex extensions
[19:49] <mongo> JanC: I was more thinking that SSH tends to be limited based on the ability of one core to encrypt a stream
[19:49] <mongo> s/aex/aes_ni/
[19:50] <JanC> copying files over sftp seems to work fine & fast...
[19:50] <ironhalik> mongo: thx, Ill look into that
[19:50] <tim`> micahg: when will the updated qwt5 dpkg hit the main repos ? (archive.ubuntu.com)
[19:51] <ironhalik> Currently, Ive found that launching vlc v412:///dev/video0 in terminal over ssh, displays the webcam feed in ASCII :D
[19:51] <mongo> JanC: a 3.4ghz westimer core tops out at about 100MB/s with the defaults but that is fine unless you need a lot of cpu for the media
[19:52]  * itaylor57 napping
[19:52] <JanC> mongo: 100 MB/s is about the maximum you can pull through a Gbit ethernet link in practice...  ;)
[19:53] <mongo> JanC: yes, but not everyone is limited to that, and thats why I qualified about needing the core for media decoding
[19:53] <mongo> JanC: it is anoying when you have 10Gbe :)
[19:54] <JanC> but I doubt it matters for streaming to VLC (VLC won't be able to keep up with a stream that huge either)
[19:56] <mongo> JanC: yes, but if you need cpu to decode the media that will effect how much cpu you have to stream, that is the point
[20:05] <glosoli> hmmm
[20:05] <glosoli> why is so that touchpad responses slower to click than Mouse
[20:05] <glosoli>  ?
[20:17] <Steevca>  I have just upgraded ubuntu 11.10 to 12.04,and i can't get network to work.I have a DSL Modem.I also have two network cards,but i only use one because the second isn't working,can the other one cause problems?
[20:19] <MrChrisDruif> Might be Steevca but I wouldn't know how to solve this
[20:19] <MrChrisDruif> !networking
[20:20] <MrChrisDruif> !network
[20:20] <Steevca> I don't have a wireless network.
[20:30] <Steevca> Can anyone help me with my network issue?
[20:30] <glosoli> Steevca: just ask :) if someone can they will
[20:31] <Steevca> glosoli, i did a few minutes ago.
[20:31] <Steevca>  I have just upgraded ubuntu 11.10 to 12.04,and i can't get network to work.I have a DSL Modem.I also have two network cards,but i only use one because the second isn't working,can the other one cause problems?
[20:31] <MrChrisDruif> !cable
[20:34] <glosoli> Steevca: I am not sure if it can
[20:34] <Steevca> I actualy need the fix for this problem.The network manager is reporting that the device isn't ready
[20:37] <glosoli> Steevca: you could just in case try taking off that card which is not working
[20:38] <Steevca> I am going to lose my mind.
[20:38] <glosoli> Steevca: Sorry I am not that big of a help at network things :)
[20:39] <Steevca> glosoli, it's ok. It's just i am trying to fix it since yesterday.
[20:39] <glosoli> Steevca: And I never do that 11.10 -> 12.04 thing
[20:39] <Steevca> So,should i try the clean install?
[20:39] <glosoli> Steevca: I always backup stuff and do clean install :)
[20:39] <glosoli> But that's why way of doing things
[20:39] <glosoli> Encountered problems in the past with upgrades leaving old configurations and etc
[20:40] <glosoli> Steevca: well you could just try running live cd
[20:40] <glosoli> Steevca: and checked if connection works there
[20:40] <glosoli> check if"
[20:40] <Steevca> Ok,i am going to try it like that.
[20:41] <Steevca> glosoli, a beta2?
[20:41] <glosoli> Steevca: First of all check if Internet connection in Live CD Works, yep I would go for Beta2 if I were you :) because that was released recently
[20:42] <Steevca> glosoli, sure.I will have to test that tommorow.I don't have any empty discs now. :P
[20:42] <Steevca> Actualy i do. xD
[20:42] <Steevca> Just found one. :P
[20:42] <glosoli> Steevca: you get Internet connection in Live cd ?
[20:43] <glosoli> but you don't after upgrading system in real  hdd ?
[20:44] <Steevca> glosoli, i mean about the disc. xD
[20:44] <glosoli> ah okay :D
[20:53] <jinjorge> my computer has crashed twice today but I can't find the crash logged in any of the logs I look at
[20:54] <jinjorge> checked syslog, dsmeg, X.org.log
[20:54] <jinjorge> any ideas when I might be able to find a log of the crash?
[20:56] <trism> jinjorge: if an app actually crashed, check out /var/crash/
[20:58] <jinjorge> let me check there. but this was a whole computer crash
[20:59] <jinjorge> trism: there are two files in /var/crash from March 28th. Nothing from today
[21:00] <trism> jinjorge: /var/log/kern.log might be better to check than dmesg if you had to restart in between the crash
[21:01] <jinjorge> I should have taken a pic of the screen
[21:01] <jinjorge> trism: let me take a look
[21:02] <trism> jinjorge: oh you had a kernel panic, yeah a pic of the screen may be your only option
[21:03] <jinjorge> trism: I'll get one the next time it happens
[21:05] <jinjorge> trism: nothing in /var/log/kern.log
[21:05] <jinjorge> it's bound to happen again. it happened twice today and a few times in the past
[21:06] <DropsOfSerenity> #join pidgin
[21:06] <DropsOfSerenity> woops
[21:06] <DropsOfSerenity> >_>
[21:07] <jinjorge> trism: Thanks for the assistance
[21:08] <dakira> Can anyone confirm this bad behavior: open apps on multiple workspaces/viewports. Initiate the all-window-scale (aka spread) with super+w. Only windows from the current viewport are shown.
[21:09] <trism> jinjorge: you're welcome, let me know if you get a pic, I'd be interested in taking a look
[21:13] <jinjorge> trism:just happened again but no kernel panic screen. just computer restarting.
[21:14] <jinjorge> trism:seems to be related to unplugging usb devices. In this case it's a Win 7 phone
[21:16] <trism> jinjorge: did this just start happening, say with the kernel update to -21, do you have the -20 kernel to test?
[21:17] <jinjorge> trism:silly question - how do I check the version of the kernel?
[21:17] <trism> jinjorge: uname -a
[21:17] <jinjorge> trism: It's been happening for the last two weeks or so
[21:18] <jinjorge> trism: Linux jeremiah-fc 3.2.0-18-generic #29-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 9 21:36:08 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:18] <pepee> hi. I'm using a rt73usb wifi card. the thing is, with power management enabled on the card, it won't work well. please, leave power management disabled on wifi cards in 12.04
[21:18] <trism> jinjorge: oh, hmm, try a: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; to get the latest kernel, see if that is any different
[21:19] <jinjorge> trism: I run update && upgrade every morning
[21:20] <trism> jinjorge: you will need the dist-upgrade to pull in the new kernel though
[21:20] <trism> jinjorge: or you could just fine the -21 kernel and install it manually
[21:20] <trism> jinjorge: sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-21-generic;
[21:21] <jinjorge> trism: I did a dist-upgrade last week
[21:21] <jinjorge> let me see what's going on
[21:21] <trism> jinjorge: going to grab some food, I will be back in a few
[21:21] <UrB> fabulous - the swap-language-to-random-asian-one bug reared it's head again with last patch of updates
[21:24] <jinjorge> trism: very weird. so I remember doing an update and getting 3.2.0.21 so I am not sure why my computer is still running 3.2.0.18
[21:24] <jinjorge> trism: just tried sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-21-generic
[21:26] <jinjorge> trism: jeremiah@jeremiah-fc:~$ sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-21-generic
[21:26] <jinjorge> Reading package lists... Done
[21:26] <jinjorge> Building dependency tree
[21:26] <jinjorge> Reading state information... Done
[21:26] <jinjorge> linux-image-3.2.0-21-generic is already the newest version.
[21:27] <UrB> http://i43.tinypic.com/vxopky.png - like that - only languages I had installed was english and finnish
[21:27] <UrB> I know how to fix that, but I'd rather not go through it at random times without understanding what causes that
[21:36] <trism> jinjorge: try: sudo update-grub;
[21:37] <jinjorge> trism:jeremiah@jeremiah-fc:~$ sudo update-grub
[21:37] <jinjorge> Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
[21:37] <jinjorge> Searching for default file ... found: /boot/grub/default
[21:37] <jinjorge> Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[21:37] <jinjorge> Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ...
[21:37] <jinjorge> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-21-generic
[21:37] <jinjorge> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-20-generic
[21:37] <jinjorge> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-19-generic
[21:37] <jinjorge> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-18-generic
[21:37] <jinjorge> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-17-generic
[21:37] <trism> jinjorge: looks good
[21:38] <jinjorge> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-16-generic
[21:38] <jinjorge> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-15-generic
[21:38] <jinjorge> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-14-generic
[21:38] <jinjorge> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-12-generic
[21:38] <jinjorge> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-9-generic
[21:38] <jinjorge> Found kernel: /boot/memtest86+.bin
[21:38] <jinjorge> Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
[21:38] <jinjorge> jeremiah@jeremiah-fc:~$ uname -a
[21:38] <jinjorge> Linux jeremiah-fc 3.2.0-18-generic #29-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 9 21:36:08 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:38] <jinjorge> jeremiah@jeremiah-fc:~$
[21:38] <jinjorge> trism: did you see the uname -a at very end?
[21:38] <dubaco> !paste
[21:38] <glosoli> lol
[21:38] <trism> jinjorge: if you don't see the kernel on reboot, my only other thought is that you have grub from another installed os
[21:39] <trism> jinjorge: on my test desktop that is how I have it set up, so I have to occasionally remember to update-grub on the other system
[21:40] <jinjorge> trism: Only running Ubuntu 12.04 on this computer
[21:40] <trism> jinjorge: although if that were the case, I would think it would be listed at the end of the update-grub output
[21:40] <trism> jinjorge: yeah, odd, try rebooting and seeing if the kernel is there now
[21:40] <trism> jinjorge: make sure to hold shift so the grub screen shows up
[21:41] <jinjorge> trism: I'll give that a try. need to run to a meeting
[21:41] <trism> jinjorge: wait, menu.lst, is this an upgrade from a version prior to 10.04
[21:41] <jinjorge> trism: I'll let you know what I find
[21:41] <trism> jinjorge: alright
[21:42] <jinjorge> trism: what's that about menu.lst?
[21:42] <trism> jinjorge: in the output is says: Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[21:43] <trism> jinjorge: menu.lst was used with the old grub, which hasn't been installed by default since, jaunty I think? grub2 uses /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[21:43] <jinjorge> trism: this was a clean install of 12.04 alpha
[21:44] <trism> jinjorge: that is strange then, hmm
[21:45] <jinjorge> there was a time a little while back where I had to edit the grub file to boot to the login screen
[21:45] <jinjorge> trism: it was booting the the grub list
[21:46] <jinjorge> trism: there is the potential that I screwed something up when messing around with that
[21:48] <trism> jinjorge: possible, try: sudo update-grub2; when you get a chance
[21:50] <dakira> Can any 12.04 users please confirm this bug so that it gets fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/971927 ;)
[21:53] <UrB> I haven't selected either german or chinese language support, but still they appear there seemingly impossible to remove -> http://i40.tinypic.com/291ixsm.png
[21:54] <UrB> anyone else with similar behaviour
[22:11] <Ederico> dear all, is it possible to revert to the previous ALT+TAB system in 12.04, i.e. I want all windows to appear in the window selector and not just those that are present in the particular workspace
[22:16] <trism> Ederico: in ccsm, unity plugin/switcher tab/uncheck bias alt-tab to prefer windows on the current viewport
[22:16] <trism> Ederico: or just use ctrl+alt+tab to do that
[22:19] <dakira> trism: what about super+w (scale initiate_all) just showing the windows on the current workspace instead of all workspaces. Any idea how to get that back to the old behavior?
[22:20] <Ederico> trism: Thanks a lot, I opted for the first option, but good to know I can change if I feel like it
[22:20] <trism> dakira: not sure, I took a look when you posted the bug, but didn't notice a way to change it
[22:21] <dakira> trism: but you can confirm it?
[22:21] <Ederico> can this channel be used for suggestions to improve Ubuntu 12.04? As I'd like a particular change to HUD and would like to suggest it
[22:22] <dakira> Ederico: try #ubuntu-unity
[22:22] <penguin42> Ederico: Changes to 12.04 are very unlikely to happen this late in the game unless it's pretty grim
[22:23] <trism> dakira: yes it happens here too, but I'm not sure about confirming the bug, since I recall older bugs about only showing the windows on the current workspace, so I don't know if this is on purpose or not (and the ccsm strings just need to be updated)
[22:23] <Ederico> penguin42: ok, I got it, let's put it this way, it is a change to Ubuntu's new HUD in general not just for 12.04
[22:23] <Ederico> dakira: thanks
[22:23] <OffGridOps> 11.10/12.04 Upgrade:  Lost power while 12.04 was installing.  All downloaded but did not install.  Accessed terminal via ctrl-alt-f1 and see my pix and such.  How do I get the install process back on track?  Thanx!
[22:23] <penguin42> Ederico: Ah OK
[22:24] <penguin42> OffGridOps: Nasty; you can try doing an apt-get -f install and see what happens
[22:24] <OffGridOps> K doing that now...
[22:25] <glosoli> is there any way to turn off that Tooltips thing being rendering alongside desktop wallpaper colors ?
[22:25] <Ederico> now that I remember, I have another problem. If I'm not mistaken in the user login screen the wallpaper for each user should show up as a background. I only have one user, and it is not showing up, I get the default background
[22:25] <dakira> trism: well, if it's that, it would essentially mean that the functionality to initiate scale on all windows has been taken out of compiz. you could at least hit the "affects me" button ;)
[22:25] <OffGridOps> must manually run sudo dpkg --configure -a to correct the problem do i just type that in?
[22:25] <penguin42> OffGridOps: Yeh
[22:26] <OffGridOps> Trying it --- thanx for your replies BTW
[22:26] <penguin42> OffGridOps: No problem; to be honest depending when the power went you could have a real mess on your hands
[22:26] <OffGridOps> spitting out a bunch of stuff "setting up" so looks good.  It had downloaded everything and was in the install stage
[22:27] <bitplane-> hi, my panel is 100% transparent. I may have messed it up in ccsm. I tried compiz --reset but it didn't fix it
[22:28] <bitplane-> same applies to HUD
[22:28] <jbicha> Ederico: Ctrl+Alt+Tab switches between windows from all workspaces, it's documented in the help that was just updated today :)
[22:29] <dakira> OffGridOps: when it's done run apt-get dist-upgrade again and look for more messages
[22:29] <OffGridOps> OK will do I am gonna stay logged in here --- kinda like a kid in the storm hanging out w/the folks ;) ---and advise!
[22:30] <trism> dakira: actually, may not need to, see bug 933776
[22:30] <jinjorge> trism: rebooted and still running 3.2.0.18
[22:31] <trism> jinjorge: weird, can you pastebin /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
[22:31] <OffGridOps> Configuration file '/etc/gnome/defaults.list' Wants me to Intall the pack maintainers vers, keep current ver, start shell show differences.  Recommends I keep current version
[22:32] <dakira> trism: good find, thanks!
[22:32] <bitplane-> aha! "no blur" in unity's ccsm plugin means "completely transparent"
[22:33] <OffGridOps> Applied Default action
[22:35] <OffGridOps> Installation finished.  No error reported.  Cleaning up and updating it says dealing with fonts
[22:36] <jinjorge> trism:http://pastebin.com/KhWa1zBy
[22:37] <dakira> OffGridOps: I'd usually go with the packagers version if you don't remember personally changing the file to something else
[22:37] <jinjorge> trism: I see that 3.2.0.18 is the latest version in the file
[22:37] <OffGridOps> Excellent!  thanx!
[22:37] <trism> jinjorge: yeah, try: sudo update-grub2; maybe you have grub legacy installed as well for some reason?
[22:39] <trism> jinjorge: this time it should hopefully say something like: Generating grub.cfg... instead of found menu.lst
[22:39] <jinjorge> trism: and /etc/default/grub file looks like http://pastebin.com/aPnnvmSL
[22:40] <jinjorge> trism: jeremiah@jeremiah-fc:~$ sudo update-grub2
[22:40] <jinjorge> sudo: update-grub2: command not found
[22:40] <jinjorge> jeremiah@jeremiah-fc:~$
[22:41] <trism> jinjorge: apt-cache policy grub grub-common grub2 grub2-common
[22:41] <jinjorge> trism: should I run sudo apt-get install grub2
[22:42] <OffGridOps> usr /share /app-install /desktop / kde-telepethy-sendfile...desktop could not be installed correctly.  A bug should be considered for report or something like that.  The rest of the install continuing
[22:42] <jinjorge> trism: http://pastebin.com/BHTd4xwt
[22:44] <OffGridOps> libclass-singleton-perl is in a very bad inconsistent state your should reinstall it before attempting configuration
[22:45] <trism> OffGridOps: see bug 940093 for that problem with software-center (although I suspect it may be against the wrong package)
[22:47] <trism> jinjorge: yeah I would: sudo apt-get purge grub; sudo apt-get install grub2;
[22:47] <trism> jinjorge: since it is definitely using /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[22:47] <jinjorge> trism: will do. give me a sec
[22:48] <OffGridOps> Errors were encountered while processing libclass-singleton-perl   It has ended and I am at the command prompt.  Is there a way to fix this or should I now do the run apt-get dist- upgrade
[22:49] <tomodachi> im having problems net installing ubuntu 1204 here, the log on the machine to install states cant open /tmp/net-retriever-5206-dedplicate/* no such file or directory
[22:50] <jinjorge> trism: brb
[22:50] <tomodachi> it seems to work from internet mirrors, im mountint the install iso through loopback and sharing it as a http mirror for my install
[22:54] <OffGridOps> I guess it has run its course.  It cannot resolve anything that is us.archive.ubuntu.com  bunch of failed to fetch stuff.  im gonna try to reboot and see what happens
[22:57] <jessie> So Amarok 2.5 should have the transcoding features, right?
[22:59] <jessie> Wrong channel...
[23:34] <Nu773r> hay all
[23:39] <meerkats> is there going to be a fully functioning gnome in 12.04? with fully I mean it wont be like 11.10's fallback, with missing options in the main desktop bar
[23:43] <pangolin> meerkats, the fallback is Unity2d
[23:43] <meerkats> so you dont have plans to support gnome anymore
[23:44] <penguin42> meerkats: The important distinction is Gnome *2* - you can use Gnome *3*
[23:44] <meerkats> googling that
[23:45] <pangolin> gnome3 is fully supported
[23:45] <penguin42> meerkats: The old Gnome was Gnome 2, on Precise you can use Unity, or Gnome3 (or KDE or XFCE etc) - but Gnome2 isn't there
[23:45] <pangolin> you can use gnome-shell which runs on top of gnome3
[23:45] <pangolin> !notunity
[23:45] <meerkats> ok, gnome 3 doesnt have categorized menus like gnome2 or xfce, does it?
[23:46]  * penguin42 doesn't know - haven't played with it
[23:46] <pangolin> me either
[23:46] <meerkats> ok
[23:46] <pangolin> I like my Kubuntu
[23:46] <penguin42> meerkats: I switched to Kubuntu on one machine and Mint on another
[23:46] <meerkats> im leaving ubuntu because unity, while eyecandy, doe not have categorized indexes, which are relally important for me
[23:47] <meerkats> Im thinking about partitioning with xubuntu and mint penguin42
[23:47] <penguin42> meerkats: Nod, If you use Mint, the MATE set of packages are forward ported gnome 2 (with some name changes)
[23:48] <meerkats> a...
[23:48] <meerkats> thx
[23:48] <meerkats> i've heard good review of mint though
[23:48] <meerkats> reviews
[23:49] <penguin42> meerkats: The version derived from Precise should arrive in May, but will still have MATE
[23:49] <meerkats> ok
[23:50] <meerkats> im removing lubuntu (have references to it while logging out) with the last command from http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce, why does it have to INSTALL 3 libraries?
[23:51] <meerkats> crap, i removed chromium
[23:51] <penguin42> meerkats: It's possible that one of the things is an alternative to something else that will then get renambled