[00:00] and maybe even a songlist object that contains a dynamically allocated array of these song objects which are like 1MB each :p [00:01] ive always hated object oriented programming.. not because i fail to understand it.. but because people who advocate it.. fail to understand how pointless it is ; ) [00:02] snadge: There are some bits of it as useful; unfortunately people tend to go mad with it and create zillions of objects [00:03] yeah i guess one way of looking at it is.. most programmers are bad.. giving them more ways to shoot themselves in the foot, or create masterpieces of design that are woefully inefficient.. isnt necessarily the best idea [00:04] i guess open source fixes that.. as long as people are paying attention ;) [00:10] snadge: It depends on the project to some extent - some are more careful about footprint/size/performance than others [00:11] hi all! Why can't I see/change assistive technologies options? [00:11] like, I can't find the onscreen keyboard, I can't zoom in on my screen, anything. [00:13] bagels, power indicator (top right) > System Settings > Accessibility (last row) [00:14] cool! how can I learn more about this? [00:14] try it! [00:14] there's a setting for keyboard shortcuts>zoom in, zoom out, [00:14] is that for my monitor resolution? [00:14] Nope. [00:15] because compiz desktop zoom doesn't do anything. [00:15] That is compiz's desktop zoom. [00:17] right, it's more of a separate question [00:18] basically I have this: [00:19] a netbook with a touchscreen, the Dell Inspiron Duo [00:19] is that the thing that kind of flips in the lid? [00:19] when I flip it to tablet mode, I want to zoom in on the screen to push the X and - buttons with my pudgy fingers [00:19] penguin42: yes! :D [00:20] now, I went to this website: [00:21] hold up, linking [00:22] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1658635 [00:22] scroll down to tablet recognition mode [00:23] there's keyboard shortcuts, [00:24] so I was thinking I could set Keyboard Shortcuts for Zoom to opening and closing [00:28] but that doesn't work [00:29] bagels: So I guess the thing to find out is whether the setkeycodes stuff has worked [00:29] well i think it did, because they seem to have registered. [00:29] a program I compiled yesterday doesn't show up in unity search. I want to add it to the unity bar as a shortcut icon, how can I do that? [00:30] bagels: 'registered'? [00:30] it's just that nothing zooming works [00:31] yeah, penguin42 when I click the keyboard shortcut to set a new binding, it comes up when I open/close the lid as Launch 1 and Launch 2 [00:31] ok [00:31] penguin42: however I can't get any kind of key binding to make zoom work, it's like there's only one resolution [00:32] bagels: I'm not sure how those zooms work [00:32] penguin42: I wouldn't mind just a way to bind a command that makes my resolution go bigger. [00:33] bagels: It might be worth checking if you're running Unity or Unity2d [00:33] penguin42: does that make sense? I just want to go from 1366x600 (or something like that) to like 800x[something 16:9] [00:33] penguin42: unity 2d [00:34] bagels: Hmm well I think you could do that with xrandr - but there's probably a better way [00:34] do you think d is preventing it from happening/ === diegovieiraeti is now known as revolts [00:34] I had some esoteric zoom in/out app in my unity launcher that worked a few months ago, [00:34] and I think I was running 3d [00:35] bagels: I don't know, but I wouldn't be too surprised if those zoom things are done with some GL stuff in unity and maybe not done in 2d (or just a bug?) [00:35] penguin42 ^ [00:35] penguin42: how do i switch to 3D? [00:35] bagels: Not sure, it might have taken a dislike to your graphics card and decided against it [00:36] penguin42: I manually installed 2d [00:37] do you get an option when you login on the lightdm stuff as you enter your password [00:37] penguin42: it automatically logs me in [00:38] ah hmm, maybe turn that autologin off [00:38] or just logout [00:39] DropsOfSerenity: Ah, didn;t realise logout got you back to that even on autologin [00:40] right, bed [00:43] hey [00:43] i am using 12.04 [00:43] upgraded to 12.04, my sound still works but now alsa mixer says: cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument [00:43] i have a username and password [00:43] well that didn't work [00:43] and i correclty type it [00:43] when i am in pure shell i can join the system [00:43] but when i am in gdm i cant [00:43] why [00:44] hey [00:44] hello knock knock konck :D [00:48] hey [00:48] some pls respond [00:50] why anyone dont respond [00:54] !patience | ubottu [00:54] jbicha: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ [00:59] i hope i can tell what my problem is [01:00] in login screen i cannot join the system with username and password but in pure shall ctrl + alt + f1 ş can join the system with same username and password [01:20] hi, does eclipse work for anyone else? [01:21] I get this: http://pastie.org/3712044 [01:22] hi all. My touchpad on my netbook suddenly stopped working mid-session. Tried rebooting, logging out, etc. tried doing what help.ubuntu.com said, no luck. fortunately my touch screen works, but that's annoying after a while [01:23] hmm.. who works on indicator-multiload? [01:23] it uses up too much resources [01:23] i know its not an official applet.. but it probably should be.. i liked the old system resource meter in gnome 2 [01:33] hmm how do I get sun/oracle java nowadays? [01:36] bitplane-: Why would you want that? [01:36] bitplane, try http://pastebin.com/ST5APH5n [01:37] OpenJDK works just as well, if not better. [01:38] Logan_ I guess I don't really want it, but Eclipse won't start [01:38] Then that's probably an Eclipse issue... [01:38] can you test eclipse for me in 12.04 before I raise a bug? [01:38] Sure. [01:38] http://pastie.org/3712044 <- that's the error I get [01:38] I'm guessing it's a classpath issue? [01:39] * Logan_ tests. [01:39] I'm not too hot on Java, I kinda grasp the basics. Just wanna do some Android dev [01:39] Wow, that's a lot of dependencies. Oh well; I'll uninstall them afterward. [01:39] hehe yeah it's a big bugger. Java is fat and ugly [01:39] Downloading. [01:39] thanks :) [01:39] np [01:41] 75% [01:41] Okay, testing now. [01:42] bitplane-: http://i.imgur.com/do4tA.png [01:42] Is that what happens to you? [01:43] yep that's the one [01:43] Yep, same error in the log. [01:43] workbench [01:43] * Logan_ checks the bug list. [01:44] excellent, thank you. I'll raise it. I see a similar bug from an old ubuntu release, but not for this one [01:44] Oh, here we go: [01:45] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/970475 [01:45] Launchpad bug 970475 in eclipse (Ubuntu) "eclipse doesn't start !MESSAGE Missing imported package com.ibm.icu.text_0.0.0." [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:45] bitplane-: ^ There's the bug. [01:45] Reported yesterday, actually. [01:45] There's a workaround in the comments. [01:47] is that the same bug? [01:47] Yes. [01:47] I have the same exact error in my log. [01:48] Haven't tried the workaround yet, though. [01:48] oh yes I see it [01:48] See comment #2. [01:49] workaround works :) [01:49] thanks! [01:49] Yep, wfm too. [01:49] No problem. :-) [01:51] sorry for making you install all that crap on your machine! [01:51] Haha, no worries. [01:52] I might end up using Eclipse in the future, so I'll leave it there. :-P [01:52] (I have a ton of space anyway.) === Eledran is now known as zz_Eledran [02:38] Does anyone know of any themes for the Gnome 3 classic desktop. [02:38] Can I use theme for Gnome 2? [02:38] i don't think gnome 2 themes work out of the box [02:38] but a lot of them are ported [02:39] there are a bunch of gnome 3 themes on deviant art, and other places. [02:39] anthropos, and they work in classic mode? [02:39] sorry, I don't know. I don't; think they'd work if you're running gnome-shell at all [02:39] they will work fine of course if you are actually using gnome 2 [02:40] maybe someone in here has an opinion.. fellow sysadmins / data centre warriors [02:40] which ubuntu can do [02:40] anthropos, I can run gnome 2 on 12.04? [02:40] drive in a raid 1 set on a backup server.. failed after 2.1 years power on time.. it was a seagate 1TB NS.. i have the option to replace it with an AS for $105, or an SV35 for $166 [02:40] yes [02:40] i haven't tried to do so, but I would be shocked if you couldn't [02:41] you may need to install it yourself [02:41] but I doubt even that [02:41] are the surveilance drives worth the extra coin in a DC environment.. (powered on 24x7 and thrashed for a few hours a day) .. or is it a bit of a waste of money [02:41] raid 1 for backup dude, wtf? [02:41] err raid 0 maybe [02:41] nm, raid 1 [02:41] i may have mixed them up [02:41] it's mirrored right? [02:41] raid 1 is mirrored, i'm sorry [02:42] raid 0 is striped [02:44] yeah mirrored [02:46] anyways i don't know the answer to your question, sorry [02:47] i'm not sure what extra features the 'surveillance' drives actually offer [02:48] segate's site says they are literally designed for surveillance systems, so i'm not sure why they would be better for backup [03:00] anthropos: designed for 24x7 operation.. continuos writing [03:00] hello! === revolts is now known as diegovieiraeti === Logan_ is now known as Shaniqua_Kwon === Shaniqua_Kwon is now known as Logan_ [04:22] Hello all. If I wanna do an apt-get install pogo and make sure it really really works, then what can I do please? [04:22] system was up to date to the moment when i performed the command [04:23] the error message is: can not locate the package [04:23] "pogo" [04:24] patr|ck: Is that from a PPA? It doesn't exist in the default repositories. [04:28] oh, maybe i need to add a repository then, that will be hint enough for the moment. thank you :) [04:29] btw. [04:29] (when i may say that) [04:29] I FEEL AN AWESOME LTS COMING! [04:30] i loved Ubuntu 10.04 for so long now its time for something new, right? :D [04:30] patr|ck: I've been running 12.04 since Alpha 2, and I love it. [04:31] alpha2 and beta1 were too tricky for my skill level :D [04:31] I even deleted Windows because I found myself not using it anymore. [04:31] wow! [04:31] means "wine" can play foreign binaries perfectly now? [04:32] Haha, no, sadly. [04:32] bummer! [04:33] i have something which could be even more entertaining than Second Life but its ... you know, PROPRIETARY IDEA MANUFACTORING. [04:33] no clue how to "free" that [04:33] so it works smoothly [04:35] on the other side. maybe i should go by example and follow richard stallmans lifestyle a little bit more [04:36] and say "no" to these types of temptations? maybe. [04:36] sorry for the ramblings, bbl === LoganCloud is now known as CloudLogan [05:21] both empathy and pidgin are utterly worthless for voice calling over Google Talk, I'm in the process of filing bugs right now [05:21] what else should I try?L [05:21] google's plugin? [05:29] ChogyDan: then I have to leave Gmail open in a browser tab at all times and don't get visual notifications [05:30] not exactly ideal [05:30] actually, the biggest problem with that is I have to go hunting around to find Gmail when I hear the ring [05:30] at that point I might as well just answer it with my cell [05:32] I want a setup that, upon an incoming call, presents me with a dialog I can click to start the conversation right then and there [05:33] Pidgin gives the popup, but apparently can't connect the call properly [05:34] roothorick: i can so relate to what you wrote [05:34] (in the first part) [05:35] my overall impression with Voice is "very, very rough" [05:35] why some people do voice and video conferencing when they do not have to is a myth to me tho. [05:35] even on Windows it's awkward and full of gotchas [05:35] seems like, if you're not using an Android device to interface with it, you have to use a browser, with all the limitations that come with that [05:35] maybe i find clue about this some day :D [05:36] i prefer letter, mail or FAX. [05:36] yeah, the main reason I started looking into Voice is because I want to send/receive SMS without having to pay for an actual SMS connection [05:36] ah! [05:37] works great on Android. Windows? Browser only. No notification on new messages. Linux? Same. [05:37] thats the trouble, i can see it. [05:38] what exactly would you do about it if you could make wishes as much as you like? [05:38] one, integrate Voice SMS with Talk. There's no excuse, these should be connected at the hip. [05:39] hmmm, interesting [05:39] I should be able to send/receive SMS through Voice via Pidgin or Empathy connected to Talk [05:39] send SMS by your own voice? [05:39] nonono [05:39] thats what you desire? [05:39] oh. [05:39] Google Voice does SMS stuff [05:39] but you have to go through Voice to send/receive SMS [05:39] it's not connected to Talk in any way [05:40] maybe these engineers got reason which i dont know about yet... hmmmm [05:40] they drink lots of "smart water" you know [05:40] more than me [05:40] two, there really needs to be a standardized interface for connecting third-party clients to Voice [05:41] oh that gets tricky [05:41] third-party is like london tea party if ... [05:42] lets say - [05:42] just a fictive example: [05:42] IRC, E-Mail, Facebook and Twitter are already well connected the way they are, would your wish bring mess to too many people's lifes if they had the same wish? [05:43] honestly? [05:43] third-party IM clients have made things simpler for me [05:43] simpler how? [05:43] In 2002 it was "I have AIM and Yahoo" "Oh I only have MSN" "Well shit now I have to install yet another thing" [05:44] now I can make 12 different accounts and consolidate them all in one list in Pidgin [05:44] i start to love this "manual" kommunikation more and more [05:44] it helps with variation [05:44] it helps with concideration [05:44] I don't follow. [05:44] it helps me avoid serious mistakes [05:45] not following me is the right thing i guess :D [05:46] * patr|ck is know longer known as FearyBuster [05:46] * patr|ck is also not a GPenguin anymore :D [05:46] ............... [05:48] So this there anyway to get gwibber to be a little smoother when scrolling. it's pretty rough. [05:48] I can't help but think, between Mumble's echo cancellation being completly AWOL and my problems with VoIP, well, everything, that Precise is doing some not-so-kosher things in the pulseaudio department [05:48] whoops forgot the ? [05:49] Gwibber is really choppy, bug or feature? [05:49] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/new-ubuntu-sound-theme-winner-chosen/ [05:49] i like 3 most [05:50] http://design.canonical.com/2012/02/sound-theme-results/ [05:51] also, people just voted for what they heard first [05:53] I disagree. The first one is the only one that really says "computer turn on" to me [05:53] the other 3 are too subtle [05:54] actually 3 reminds me way too much of windows 98 [05:54] meh, maybe you are right [05:54] wut [05:54] it sounds like a wooden/pipe organ chime [05:55] all are much better than the old sound [05:55] the startup sound for win98 had a very similar arpeggio, in the same chord even I think [05:55] that's immediately where my head went when I heard it [05:55] 4 is just ugly [05:55] 2 is good but 1 is that little bit better [05:55] agreed,, i dont like 2 or 4 === nanobolic is now known as sm0ked_c00led [06:12] having issues with sound on a [AMD] Hudson Azalia Controller sound card. I can only get sound from headphones [06:12] have tried looking on the forums and making changes to the alsa.conf adn removing pulse audio but none of this has seemed to work [06:12] any ideas? [06:13] laptop is a hp g6-series with HDMI === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [06:46] I have just upgraded ubuntu 11.10 to 12.04,and i can't get network to work.I have a DSL Modem.I also have two network cards,but i only use one because the second isn't working,can the other one cause problems? [06:48] Anyone? :P [06:52] Steevca: By 'can't get network to work' do you mean the cards aren't being recognized by Ubuntu? [06:53] obelus, It's reporting : "Device isn't ready" [06:53] ... is this a wireless card? Mine does that occasionally on Ubuntu 12.04 [06:54] obelus, it's a DLS modem. [06:55] With TP-LINK TF-3200 network card. [06:55] I have found something on the forums,i am goint to try that. [07:00] I'm sorry guys [07:00] but no more ubuntu for me [07:00] I've gone to arch linux [07:00] BAI! [07:00] ??? [07:00] rymate1234: What are you switching to? [07:00] rymate1234: and may I ask why? [07:01] Ohwait [07:01] nevermind [07:01] lol [07:01] I missed your third message [07:01] but my second question applies still =p [07:01] i won't use mint, fedora and suse [07:01] I want to try something else [07:01] I might be back :P [07:01] rymate1234: Ah, okay. Have fun on your journey =3 [07:22] hi [07:22] can you show me all packages include in cd ubuntu-12.04-beta2 ? [08:13] someone tries cd ubuntu-12.04-beta2 ? [08:15] can you show me output from: dpkg -l === himcesjf1 is now known as himcesjf === htorque__ is now known as htorque [09:23] hi, can't get 12.04b1 cd to boot, the screen just goes blank before grub [09:55] hey [09:55] someone there [10:05] I have just upgraded ubuntu 11.10 to 12.04,and i can't get network to work.I have a DSL Modem.I also have two network cards,but i only use one because the second isn't working,can the other one cause problems? [10:12] I need help with exactly this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1942266 [10:16] At least I would have to compile the ntdll.dll.so myself for i386. [10:45] hello all, I have a "problem" with Firefox 11 under Ubuntu 12.04 (I installed the beta yesterday). Basically, when I close firefox all my tabs reload when I reload firefox again, however under my previous setup (running Ubuntu 10.10) only the tab which was selected loaded on Firefox's startup. Basically, I want that back and can't find the setting in Firefox (if there is any). [10:48] hey [10:48] i have a problem [10:48] i cannpt sign in the ubuntu 12.04 despite my username and password correct [10:48] i can sign in shall (ctl+alt+f1) why [11:09] why there is no answer [11:25] ergh.. bought a new video card today.. sapphire hd7970 oc [11:25] because i wanted faster minecraft performance.. loaded it up.. it was SLOWER than my 2 year old card which cost half as much.. hd4770 [11:26] i was about to launch a nuclear warhead at amd's headquarters [11:26] can you show me output from: dpkg -l [11:26] my card was about 3 years old [11:26] ıt stıll works call of duty mass effect 3 nfs the run [11:26] :D [11:26] when i thought i'd give gnome classic (no effects) a go.. 120fps.. instead of 20fps.. using unity2d ;) [11:26] so unity2d is epicly failing on a hd7870 [11:27] when compiz is faster.. you know theres a problem.. im getting around 60-80fps with compiz running [11:27] id be happy with using compiz, except theres an fglrx window decoration bug [11:30] hello all, I have a "problem" with Firefox 11 under Ubuntu 12.04 (I installed the beta yesterday). Basically, when I close firefox all my tabs reload when I reload firefox again, however under my previous setup (running Ubuntu 10.10) only the tab which was selected loaded on Firefox's startup. Basically, I want that back and can't find the setting in Firefox (if there is any) [11:34] hmm, only the selected tab? [11:35] in preferences -> general, you can choose what firefox should do [11:35] but there no option for single last tab [11:35] hi, is 1204 good now [11:37] define good ;> [11:37] good: FIlled and covered with chocolate [11:37] hmm [11:38] i mean that it works all the time in applications [11:38] like libreoffice didnt work right before with the menu [11:38] mrdeb: generally, for most of us here I believe, its really solid [11:38] ok [11:38] but as always, there are no guarantees [11:38] y not [11:38] because its not released [11:38] it is close [11:39] hey [11:39] i have a problem [11:39] ok [11:39] i can sign in shall (ctl+alt+f1) but [11:39] yeah, generally, they focus on polishing now [11:39] so libreoffice is good now or not [11:39] cannot sign in on login screen i am using ubuntu 12.04 [11:39] mrdeb: yup, for me it is very much ;> [11:39] im doing distroupgrade from download now [11:40] mrdeb: Im using it on two production PCs without any issues [11:40] what kernel is in it [11:40] 3.2 [11:40] which 32 [11:41] 3.2.0-21, PAE for 32bit [11:41] bec i know ubuntu puts in hte new one but then stops upgrading it soon and its old [11:41] why 320 when 3213 is out stable [11:41] because 3.2 was the latest during freeze [11:42] from then on, only internal fixes [11:42] i odnt understand [11:43] sorry. well its ok if it works [11:43] yeah, it works :) [11:44] is 64 bit faster on it [11:45] some say it is [11:45] for me, on two PCs, 64bit works flawlessly, so I would recommend it [11:45] its supposed to be a bit faster when decrypting, and I use encryption on my lappy [11:47] i hope ubuntu12.04 doesn't break anything when i install it when it comes out [11:48] it will be good and smooth [11:48] is ubuntu logo still ugly if u install nvidia [11:48] in bootup [11:49] I believe it is, though for me, its ugly no matter which drivers Im using [11:49] some odd bug on my particular setup [11:49] well u can delete no splahs to have real bootup still, yes? [11:49] splash [11:49] sure [11:49] ok, that is better === zz_Eledran is now known as Eledran [11:50] I dont think plymouth changed much [11:50] ubuntu needs new bootup logo [11:50] the logo is ok, its just some odd bug with plymouth [11:52] funny thing is, for me, plymouth works ok on nouveau on livecd, but not after installation [11:52] i know why [11:52] bec nvidia does not do kernel setting [11:52] so it turn it off [11:52] yeah but I dont use nvidias drivers [11:52] ok [11:53] u have to for normal speed [11:53] I dont mind :) [11:53] do u think ivy intel 4000 graphics will work on ubuntu [11:53] ? [11:53] no idea [11:54] heard there are some problems with intels IGPs [11:54] no its only if they are combos [11:54] but normal intel is good [11:54] goodbye [12:07] Does anyone else have issues with jockey-gtk not finding my Nvidia card/drivers and falling back to the OSS-drivers? Had no issues until the latest update.. I found some posts on the internet about Xorg not beeing compatible with the latest nvidia-driver or vice versa. Is that the case? [12:16] always a potential issue i guess.. kernel version, x version, and driver versions all got to be just right at times. [12:23] everytime I restart or cold start ubuntu 12.04 my wallpaper shows as a smaller image, ie: not full screen [12:23] ideas? [12:24] as a test - see if does it for a newly made user. [12:24] if so - bug.. if not - user setting quirk [12:32] when the official release of 12.04 comes will I have to do a fresh install or will an update bring it to code? [12:32] the apt-system allows upgradeing.. thats one of its main features [12:32] I tend to do a clean reinstall however.. due to all the 'testing' of stuff i do in beta [12:33] ok so I am safe running the beta 2 for good seems I don't do much testing right now other than the OS [12:33] do you know if the voice commands will be implimented? [12:33] no idea. [12:34] I wouldent use them if they were. :) [12:34] i did notice when i restart my vm the wallpaper is scaled down for background and i have to change background and reselect mine to get it back to normal, any fixes? [12:35] as a test - see if does it for a newly made user. [12:35] if so - bug.. if not - user setting quirk [12:36] I also had another question, I consider myself to be a mac pro, but I also love Ubuntu and recommend it to everyone who asks me to help them with slow computer fixes. Do you know if this version has more support for wireless than 10.04 did? [12:37] I only ask because I am about to install for the in-laws but they connect to a wireless tower so if wireless is not working out of the box, there will be no way to get the drivers to it. [12:38] worrow, newer kernel versions always have more drivers for more stuff. [12:38] it all depends on the exact wireless card. === captain_ is now known as captainfixerpc14 [12:38] if you don't mind me asking are you a developer or are you just a long time user? [12:38] for some chipsets theres needed files that cant be legally included. [12:38] Been using Linux for 13+ yrs [12:38] do you know the coding and that end of stuff? [12:39] i rarely need to code anything. [12:39]