[05:30] AlanBell: Which version of Ubuntu are you working with, in the videos you posted on Sunday? [06:03] 12.04 [06:04] it is now good enough to see all the bugs === popey_ is now known as popey [21:16] Hey guys. Is it a known issue that unity-greeter events go AWOL? [21:16] translation: Orca cain't present it if Orca doesn't know about it. [21:37] AlanBell, TheMuso, and anyone else who cares: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-greeter/+bug/971926 [21:37] Launchpad bug 971926 in unity-greeter "Accessible events stop being emitted after exploring menu" [Undecided,New] [21:37] Aside from the bug itself.... [21:37] You will find there a tester I hope will prove of value to you [21:38] it's quick and dirty: mv /usr/bin/orca and put this script in its place [21:38] it will dump out key presses, key releases and the most essential accessible events (or in this case the lack thereof) [21:39] and will hopefully be a way for you to answer "Why isn't Orca doing such and such?" [21:45] that is nice joanie [21:45] :) [21:46] I also tried to add enough stuff to make it re-usable and tweakable and such by your team [21:46] and as questions come up about tweaking, I can answer those [21:47] and hopefully you'll wind up with some tools for your team to dig into this stuff without having to know the ins and outs of at-spi2, etc. [22:01] joanie: Yeah I filed a similar bug last week. I suspect that since window management is not being used, something is breaking somewhere. [22:01] because in test mode, unity-greeter works properly. [22:02] Test mode is designed to run in a user's session in a window. [22:13] TheMuso: Hmmm. In test mode does the bug I just filed not occur? [22:13] because in that case things start out right [22:13] and then stop being right [22:25] joanie: I know. [22:25] * TheMuso tests in test mode once again. [22:26] joanie: yeah works fine in test mode [22:26] weird [22:27] * joanie googles for test mode [22:27] joanie: unity-greeter --test-mode [22:27] in your logged in session. [22:27] ha! [22:28] * joanie gives it a try [22:28] guest account has a password? [22:28] All those accounts in the test mode are bogus. [22:28] no [22:28] sorry [22:28] lemme 'splain [22:29] This computer is my fedora box [22:29] so I went to my laptop [22:29] screen had locked [22:29] I am being prompted for a password for the guest account [22:29] I tried an empty password and that failed [22:29] this is not test mode [22:37] ohhhh [22:37] bug time. :) [22:38] so this isn't a known issue. ;) [22:38] * joanie searches lp [22:39] already here [22:39] and old [22:39] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/818335 [22:39] Launchpad bug 818335 in gnome-screensaver "Blank password is invalid on unlock screen" [Undecided,New] [22:44] Right. [23:14] TheMuso: Finally tried test-mode. It segfaults. [23:15] joanie: How did you test it? I was testing with Orca running, and I didn't enable orca from within the greeter. [23:15] in other news, apparently Orca's flat review mode doesn't like unity-greeter. [23:15] I launched a terminal, Orca wasn't running. I typed 'unity-greeter --test-mode' [23:16] it spewed debug output, did the little drum sound, and promptly killed itself [23:16] And it segfaulted? [23:16] yessir [23:16] don't you love release season? ;) [23:16] Interesting. I am running latest precise, nothign custom installed here. [23:16] well, I am first going to stop the Orca flat review bad behavior if I can [23:16] Works every time when I run in test mode. [23:16] I think I can [23:17] Ok.