[05:30] <IvanFetch> AlanBell: Which version of Ubuntu are you working with, in the videos you posted on Sunday?
[06:03] <AlanBell> 12.04
[06:04] <AlanBell> it is now good enough to see all the bugs
[21:16] <joanie> Hey guys. Is it a known issue that unity-greeter events go AWOL?
[21:16] <joanie> translation: Orca cain't present it if Orca doesn't know about it.
[21:37] <joanie> AlanBell, TheMuso, and anyone else who cares: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-greeter/+bug/971926
[21:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 971926 in unity-greeter "Accessible events stop being emitted after exploring menu" [Undecided,New]
[21:37] <joanie> Aside from the bug itself....
[21:37] <joanie> You will find there a tester I hope will prove of value to you
[21:38] <joanie> it's quick and dirty: mv /usr/bin/orca and put this script in its place
[21:38] <joanie> it will dump out key presses, key releases and the most essential accessible events (or in this case the lack thereof)
[21:39] <joanie> and will hopefully be a way for you to answer "Why isn't Orca doing such and such?"
[21:45] <AlanBell> that is nice joanie 
[21:45] <joanie> :)
[21:46] <joanie> I also tried to add enough stuff to make it re-usable and tweakable and such by your team
[21:46] <joanie> and as questions come up about tweaking, I can answer those
[21:47] <joanie> and hopefully you'll wind up with some tools for your team to dig into this stuff without having to know the ins and outs of at-spi2, etc.
[22:01] <TheMuso> joanie: Yeah I filed a similar bug last week. I suspect that since window management is not being used, something is breaking somewhere.
[22:01] <TheMuso> because in test mode, unity-greeter works properly.
[22:02] <TheMuso> Test mode is designed to run in a user's session in a window.
[22:13] <joanie> TheMuso: Hmmm. In test mode does the bug I just filed not occur?
[22:13] <joanie> because in that case things start out right
[22:13] <joanie> and then stop being right 
[22:25] <TheMuso> joanie: I know.
[22:25]  * TheMuso tests in test mode once again.
[22:26] <TheMuso> joanie: yeah works fine in test mode
[22:26] <joanie> weird
[22:27]  * joanie googles for test mode
[22:27] <TheMuso> joanie: unity-greeter --test-mode
[22:27] <TheMuso> in your logged in session.
[22:27] <joanie> ha!
[22:28]  * joanie gives it a try
[22:28] <joanie> guest account has a password?
[22:28] <TheMuso> All those accounts in the test mode are bogus.
[22:28] <joanie> no
[22:28] <joanie> sorry
[22:28] <joanie> lemme 'splain
[22:29] <joanie> This computer is my fedora box
[22:29] <joanie> so I went to my laptop
[22:29] <joanie> screen had locked
[22:29] <joanie> I am being prompted for a password for the guest account
[22:29] <joanie> I tried an empty password and that failed
[22:29] <joanie> this is not test mode
[22:37] <TheMuso> ohhhh
[22:37] <TheMuso> bug time. :)
[22:38] <joanie> so this isn't a known issue. ;)
[22:38]  * joanie searches lp
[22:39] <joanie> already here
[22:39] <joanie> and old
[22:39] <joanie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/818335
[22:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 818335 in gnome-screensaver "Blank password is invalid on unlock screen" [Undecided,New]
[22:44] <TheMuso> Right.
[23:14] <joanie> TheMuso: Finally tried test-mode. It segfaults.
[23:15] <TheMuso> joanie: How did you test it? I was testing with Orca running, and I didn't enable orca from within the greeter.
[23:15] <joanie> in other news, apparently Orca's flat review mode doesn't like unity-greeter.
[23:15] <joanie> I launched a terminal, Orca wasn't running. I typed 'unity-greeter --test-mode'
[23:16] <joanie> it spewed debug output, did the little drum sound, and promptly killed itself
[23:16] <TheMuso> And it segfaulted?
[23:16] <joanie> yessir
[23:16] <joanie> don't you love release season? ;)
[23:16] <TheMuso> Interesting. I am running latest precise, nothign custom installed here.
[23:16] <joanie> well, I am first going to stop the Orca flat review bad behavior if I can
[23:16] <TheMuso> Works every time when I run in test mode.
[23:16] <joanie> I think I can
[23:17] <TheMuso> Ok.