[00:04] <cjohnston> pleia2: are we not going to do an arrival/departure list like normal for cab rides and such?
[02:16] <nigelb> heh http://massivebacon.com/
[02:43] <marcavis> Gee, it's been tough to get an answer about this https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+question/175885
[03:00] <cjohnston> marcavis: the reason you can't add for the one app is because its non-free... I haven't yet found any sort of rules for commercial apps
[03:02] <marcavis> Yeah, it's... weird. Why can Braid get a screenshot? Frogatto's engine is free, so we offer more to the free software community, at least
[03:03] <cjohnston> probably because its commercial, and Frogatto is non-free
[03:03] <marcavis> I mean, if it's what it takes, we'll have to consider making it non-free as in beer, in Ubuntu :/
[03:05] <cjohnston> It has to be free and open source and no charge or start selling it and pay the required fees
[03:08] <marcavis> Right... do you think there is someone I can talk to, that'd reconsider the policy? Even if it probably weren't going to work
[03:09] <cjohnston> Try starting with dpm
[03:09] <cjohnston> he may be able to point you in the right direction
[03:11] <cjohnston> my assumption is that it has to do with the fact that canonical makes money from commercial apps, they get more privs than non-free apps, and free apps get the privs for being free
[03:14] <marcavis> Hmm. That does make some sense... Still, it sucks that it conflicts with our business plan of being free-as-in-beer in computers, and commercial on mobile devices
[03:15] <marcavis> Either way, thanks! I'll get in touch with dpm (hmm, I only see dpb_ in #ubuntu, guess I'll wait a bit)
[03:15] <cjohnston> its the weekend
[03:16] <marcavis> Ah... most people do go out on weekends :P
[03:28] <greg-g> marcavis: he probably won't be in #ubuntu but he should be here during the week :)
[03:30] <marcavis> Hmmm, I see
[07:13] <dholbach> good morning
[08:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:09] <dholbach> hi czajkowski
[08:10] <czajkowski> dholbach: greetings from Ireland :)
[08:10] <dholbach> ah, nice :)
[08:10] <czajkowski> yup
[08:23] <jussi> Bah, nothing works this mornig :/
[08:25]  * czajkowski hands jussi a 12.04 cd working fine here ;)
[08:25] <jussi> czajkowski: sigh, not only 12.04 being evil.
[08:26] <czajkowski> it's not evil it;s shinny
[08:26] <jussi> although my external monitor doesnt work currently, and that silly printer adding thing that steals focus on the login screen is also evil.
[08:26] <jussi> but anyway, Ill file bugs
[08:30] <popey> \o/ bugs
[08:30] <popey> bug 971130 is my current annoyance
[08:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 971130 in unity "Dash waits before letting user press 'enter'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/971130
[08:31] <czajkowski> popey: spends his evenings videobugging
[08:31] <czajkowski> which is actually really cool
[08:32] <popey> heh
[08:36] <jussi> hey, could someone check if their display settings in systems settings crashes system settings?
[08:39] <popey> doesnt here
[08:39] <popey> but i only have one internal display
[08:40] <jussi> ok, IM updating now, perhaps its fixed (the bug reporter said I have obsolete packagers)
[09:09] <Daviey> obsolete packagers are the worst kind.  Worse than superseded sysadmins.
[09:23] <jussi> Daviey: you actually got a smile out of me for that one, well done
[10:41] <cjohnston> uggh.. another team that seems to just be adding people because they can
[10:42] <popey> heh
[10:42] <popey> he's 12
[10:42] <cjohnston> yup
[10:43] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~kendfinger
[10:43] <czajkowski> that name rings a bell
[10:43] <czajkowski> hmmm
[10:44] <cjohnston> g'mornin launchpad lady
[10:44] <cjohnston> ;-)
[10:44] <czajkowski> ahhhhh he keeps adding lp stuff to teams and it's in my inbox
[10:44] <czajkowski> Ubuntu geek squad
[12:43] <mhall119> geek squad?
[12:45] <sagaci> it's the new team everyone needs to be in :)
[13:06] <dpm> mhall119, are you up for a session on unity-hello during UADW? You'd have the privilege of adding the first session -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable ;-)
[13:08] <mhall119> dpm: sure!
[13:09] <dpm> mhall119, cool, thanks! Feel free to pick up a slot you like
[13:10]  * czajkowski goes and pokes people
[13:10] <dpm> anyone else around and up for an Ubuntu App Developer Week session?
[13:10] <czajkowski> poking folks on lp
[13:13] <czajkowski> dpm: one to come soon about the LP API
[13:13] <czajkowski> just coming up with a title
[13:14] <dpm> czajkowski, ooohh thank you!
[13:14]  * dpm hugs czajkowski
[13:14] <czajkowski> np
[13:14] <czajkowski> *hugs*
[13:19]  * mhall119 hates on YouTube a little bit right now
[13:21] <popey> awww, why's that mhall119
[13:23] <mhall119> it failed to process my latest .ogv
[13:23] <mhall119> I had to figure out how to convert it to something else without losing quality (still lost a little)
[13:25] <popey> dude!
[13:25] <popey> use kazam
[13:25] <mhall119> why?
[13:25] <mhall119> the problem was youtube and ogv
[13:25] <popey> yes
[13:25] <mhall119> not gtk-recordmydesktop
[13:25] <popey> kazam doesn't record to ogg
[13:26] <popey> it records to webm or h264
[13:26] <popey> both of which _always_ work
[13:26] <popey> http://youtube.com/user/popeydc <- all of those made with kazam
[13:26] <mhall119> ogv should always work
[13:26]  * mhall119 blames youtube, not ogv
[13:26] <popey> well it doesnt
[13:26] <popey> I'm not blaming ogv
[13:26] <mhall119> I know
[13:26] <popey> it's the ffmpeg that youtube uses that has the ieeu
[13:26] <popey> er issue
[13:27] <mhall119> at any rate, it's converted and uploaded now
[13:27] <mhall119> just was a pain
[13:27] <popey> also, kazam is much better
[13:27] <mhall119> I'll give it a try next time
[13:27]  * nigelb does h264 for all the time.
[13:27] <popey> it can record audio from microphone _and_ internal audio at the same time
[13:27] <popey> and has a very active developer (who is coming to UDS)
[13:27] <popey> all other screencasting apps are dead to me :D
[13:27] <nigelb> hehe
[13:28] <czajkowski> you should listent o the bugvideocaster
[13:29] <popey> the whatwhat?
[13:34] <czajkowski> some people are podcasters
[13:34] <czajkowski> videocasters
[13:34] <czajkowski> others are bugvideocasters :) you talk through your bugs via videos
[13:34] <czajkowski> :)
[13:34] <czajkowski> it made sense in my head
[13:49] <popey> haha
[13:49] <czajkowski> Laura logic at its best
[13:49]  * czajkowski munches on brown bread with white pudding 
[13:49] <czajkowski> oh in heaven
[13:52]  * mhall119 likes Lauralogic
[13:53] <czajkowski> :)
[14:21] <jcastro> "SERIOUSLY, Canonical? You want 20 million users for Ubuntu but YOU'RE PICKING THIS AS THE DEFAULT WALLPAPER? "
[14:22] <dholbach> all efforts thwarted by the choice of wallpaper
[14:22] <dholbach> ok everyone, it's time to give up and go back home
[14:24] <mhall119> jcastro: Didn't you know that default wallpaper is the single biggest factor in consumer electronics purchasing decisions?
[14:24] <czajkowski> it's not a nice default
[14:24] <czajkowski> but then again none of them really have been so i don't use the defaul
[14:25] <mhall119> most people don't, which is fine.  it's great, in fact
[14:40] <jussi> mhall119: did you get your grey icon?
[14:40] <dholbach> jcastro, are we already planning UOW?
[14:41] <jcastro> I am supposed to be
[14:41] <jcastro> but was gone last week
[14:41] <dholbach> sure sure
[14:41] <jcastro> Ok sure, you can do it if you want
[14:41] <jcastro> :)
[14:41] <dholbach> hahaha
[14:41] <dholbach> I was just wondering if I should add a dev session?
[14:41] <jcastro> actually, I was going to ask phillipw for help
[14:41] <jcastro> since he was asking for stuff to do
[14:41] <jcastro> oh sure
[14:41] <dholbach> cool
[14:41] <jcastro> is the empty schedule up? You can just grab a slot, I don't care.
[14:42] <dholbach> yes
[14:42] <dholbach> but is May 1st a good idea?
[14:42] <dholbach> it will be a holiday in many places
[14:42] <jcastro> is that memorial day?
[14:43] <dholbach> May Day / Labour Day
[14:43] <jcastro> we can go 2,3,4?
[14:43] <dholbach> if May 1st works well for everyone and we get a schedule together we can still do it 1,2,3
[14:44] <jcastro> I ALREADY CHANGED THE WIKI.
[14:44] <jcastro> j/k, I can do whatever
[14:44] <jcastro> you tell me which you prefer, and I will do that.
[14:45] <dholbach> I can do whatever too - any other opinions^?
[14:45]  * dholbach will take something on May 2nd
[14:45] <jcastro> ok, 2-4 it is
[14:46]  * jcastro fixes the wiki
[14:49]  * popey tickles jcastro 
[14:50] <dholbach> dpm, want some ubuntu dev content for UADW? :)
[14:52] <jcastro> popey: I know, update, I wanted to hit delete so bad.
[14:53] <dholbach> hey jono
[14:53] <dholbach> welcome back :)
[14:53] <jono> hey dholbach!
[14:53] <jono> thanks!
[14:53] <jono> good to be back :-)
[14:53] <balloons> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVS3WNt7yRU obligiatory
[14:54] <jcastro> \o/
[14:54] <jcastro> Man what a week!
[14:56] <jono> balloons, lol
[14:56] <balloons> lol.. I saw your april fools post also.. very well done
[14:58] <dholbach> I'd love to see Jono give a talk in French
[14:58] <jono> balloons, thanks!
[14:58] <jono> dholbach, can you imagine  it, lol
[14:59] <jono> dholbach,  all set?
[14:59] <dholbach> yep
[14:59] <dholbach> let's do it
[15:00] <jono> dholbach, invite sent
[15:11] <mhall119> dpm: do you have a few minutes to jump on a hangout and talk about the new developer docs?
[15:12] <dpm> mhall119, not now sorry, perhaps after my call with Jono in ~45?
[15:12] <mhall119> sure
[15:14] <mhall119> balloons: can I get you for a few minutes to talk about testing documentation for unity?
[15:14] <balloons> mhall119, yes..
[15:14] <balloons> maybe in 5?
[15:14] <mhall119> balloons: ok, ping me when you're ready
[15:18] <cprofitt> hey bodhi_zazen
[15:22] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo cprofitt
[15:32] <dholbach> dpm, I'll go ahead and add something
[15:32] <jono> dpm, all set?
[15:32]  * dpm hugs dholbach :)
[15:32] <dpm> jono, all set, but a recent kernel update broke my camera again, so voice only on my side
[15:32] <dpm> can't even get the USB cam to work...
[15:33] <jono> dpm, np
[15:33] <dpm> actually, I'll try the USB cam from the other computer.
[15:33] <jono> dpm, inv sent
[15:33] <jono> cool
[15:34] <dpm> ok, joining in...
[15:34] <dholbach> I have a bit of a headache - I'll take break, but brb
[15:35] <jono> dholbach, take care
[16:13] <dholbach> dpm, UADW seems to have more slots than UDW :)
[16:13] <dholbach> err
[16:13] <dholbach> UOW
[16:13] <dholbach> too many U*Ws
[16:14] <jono> mhall119, you know what would be cool :-)
[16:14] <dpm> dholbach, I wasn't too sure how many I should add, I took the same number as UDW
[16:14] <jono> mhall119,  if you could edit the code inside hello-unity and it would dynamically update the things you are showing
[16:14] <dpm> I generally started UADW at 16:00UTC
[16:14] <dpm> jono, you've had the same thought we discussed last week on a call :)
[16:15] <jono> dpm, btw, I forgot to ask, did you finish your perf review?
[16:15] <jono> dpm, cool :-)
[16:15] <mhall119> jono: yeah, but I'd have to make a local-copy of the files to allow that
[16:15] <jono> mhall119, gotcha
[16:15] <jono> mhall119, you could make in /tmp couldn't you?
[16:15] <mhall119> also, I'm not sure how to dynamically load/execute code in python
[16:15] <mhall119> jono: yeah, probably could
[16:15] <jono> mhall119, I did this in PyJunior, take a look at the code
[16:16] <dpm> jono, yes (the part for which the deadline was last week). I need to do some peer reviews still, but the next deadline is on the 11th, iirc
[16:16] <mhall119> jono: ok
[16:16] <jono> dpm, cool
[16:16] <jcastro> my thing is done, I am safe!
[16:16] <jono> jcastro, nice!
[16:16] <jcastro> I was panicking though, my thing didn't show up at all in the review system
[16:16] <jcastro> I had to manually ask HR to add it
[16:16] <jcastro> so I ended up doing it on a plane
[16:16] <dholbach> same here
[16:16] <jcastro> with mere hours left on the deadline!
[16:17] <dpm> and here ;)
[16:18] <jono> lol
[16:22] <dholbach> alright, I'm calling it a day - see you all tomorrow
[16:25]  * jussi prods at mhall119
[16:25] <mhall119> hey jussi
[16:25] <jussi> heya. did you get the icon? or shall I send it to you?
[16:25] <mhall119> for glipper?
[16:25] <jussi> yeah
[16:26] <mhall119> I haven't done the modification you said to do, if you can send it to me I'd appreciate it very much
[16:26] <jussi> mhall119: email address please
[16:26] <mhall119> <-- at ubuntu.com
[16:27] <jussi> in your mail :)
[16:40] <jcastro> jono: I can go today if you want to get me in early, I've been busy. :)
[16:40]  * jcastro mumbles something about cat away and mice playing
[16:40]  * jcastro inmates ... asylum
[16:40] <mhall119> thanks jussi
[16:42] <jono> jcastro, will do later, just catching up on a few things
[16:42] <dpm> mhall119, do you mind if we talk tomorrow about the new developer docs instead of today? I'm leaving in a few minutes
[16:44] <mhall119> dpm: ok, I also need to talk to you about getting translation/localization docs for unity.u.c
[16:45] <dpm> mhall119, ok, cool, thanks. Let's talk tomorrow when you get online
[16:55] <jono> balloons, need to move our call a little later
[16:56] <jono> jcastro, I will do our call after my call with balloons
[16:56] <jono> jcastro, we will speak at 1.30 Pac
[16:56] <jcastro> \o/
[16:56] <balloons> jono, I'm here all day.. I'll warn you tho, it won't be a quick call
[16:56] <balloons> so budget accordingly
[16:58] <jono> balloons, np, we can resume after though
[16:58] <jono> mhall119, all set?
[17:01] <mhall119> jono: yup
[17:02] <jono> mhall119, inv sent
[18:09] <balloons> crowdsourcing a question to you all.. is there an lp report showing the new packages that get added to the archive each day? By new I should say new uploads (aka, new versions of the an existing package, in addition to a new package)
[18:12] <mhall119> daniel had something like that I think
[18:14] <mhall119> balloons: something like http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring-stats/?
[18:14] <balloons> I know I've seen pages that show me things like that.. but zzzzzzzzz
[18:17] <balloons> mhall119, interesting.. I'll have a look around and see if something catches my eye
[18:25] <nigelb> balloons: the easiest is to look at the mailing list.
[18:26] <nigelb> balloons: there's also https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue
[18:27] <nigelb> balloons: the changes mailing list looks like this https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/precise-changes/2012-April/date.html
[18:28] <balloons> nigelb, ahh.. the lp queue is cool
[18:29] <balloons> thanks for the ml link.. I knew it was on the ml somewhere as I had seen it, complete with the changelogs
[18:29] <nigelb> :)
[18:29] <balloons> i could easily create a feed from that if I wanted.. if one doesn't exist
[18:29] <nigelb> balloons: talk to tumbleweed / Laney.
[18:29] <nigelb> I think they have scripts to process to the mailing list.
[18:30] <balloons> ohh really? ok, will do thank you!
[18:32] <nigelb> :)
[19:54] <jono> balloons, lets roll
[19:54] <balloons> ah-eye el capitan!
[19:55] <jono> balloons, inv sent
[20:16] <jussi> balloons: its "Sir Jono" - did you not read his blog post?  :P
[20:19] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed and Sir Jono also speaks a minimum of 3,5 hours about Ubuntu...but you should account for questioning so 4,5 hours!
[20:19] <mhall119> jussi: balloons was using his internal title
[20:20] <jussi> mhall119: aahhh
[20:21] <jussi> mhall119: no, you got it all mixed up, 5 mins ubuntu, 1 hour Art of community and the rest * metal...
[20:21] <jussi> :P
[20:28] <mhall119> jussi: you underestimate his ability to multi-task and combine interests
[20:29] <jussi> hahQ
[20:29] <mhall119> now if you'll excuse me, I have to go back to writing my status report to the tune of a Slayer song
[20:29] <mhall119> in chapter format
[20:31] <jono> jcastro, going to be a few mins late
[20:31] <jcastro> no worries, didn't even notice
[20:31]  * jcastro scrambles 
[20:31] <jcastro> jono: I'm going to start the hangout to test some stuff, just join me whenevs
[20:49] <jono> jcastro,  did you send me an invite?
[20:49] <jcastro> yep
[20:50] <jono> jcastro, I dont see it
[20:50] <jono> link?
[20:50] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/b34baa77879140959be2a12662468cd0c18111b3?authuser=0&hl=en-US#
[20:51] <jcastro> oh I think I invited wrong Bacon
[20:51] <jcastro> trying again
[20:53] <greg-g> the WRONG BACON?!
[20:53] <mhall119> jcastro must be hanging out with Kevin Bacon again
[21:10] <snap-l> Apparently there's a Jono Bac-O-Bits out there.
[21:44] <jono> going off IRC so I can focus on my email and get through it without being interrupted