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arahello!15:01
roadmraloha!15:01
arawe don't seem to have any topics on the agenda for today, but I will add one :)15:02
ara#startmeeting15:02
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ara#topic - Checkbox status in Precise15:02
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araOK, so let's sum up how things are looking for 12.04 in Checkbox15:02
ara1) Checkbox Qt is untranslatable so far, but the tests are pretty much translated15:03
araroadmr, any updates on the bug about Checkbox Qt not being translatable?15:03
araroadmr, ?15:06
roadmrara: sorry!15:06
roadmrara: the merge request was approved a moment ago, I have to merge it and then prepare an Ubuntu upload for 0.13.615:06
roadmrara: I can have that ready today I expect15:07
araroadmr, wow, I didn't now it has progressed that much! it is great news15:07
roadmrara: yes, well ctf tested it quite thoroughly so we're confident it works well15:07
arathanks roadmr, ctf :)15:08
ara2) We will need to update the documentation on the friendly site: https://friendly.ubuntu.com/participate/15:08
arato match the new interface15:08
ara3) balloons is going to help us reaching the Ubuntu community to test their systems once 12.04 gets released :)15:09
ara..15:10
araanything else urgent that needs to be fixed (for sure) for 12.04?15:10
arammm, it doesn't look like it15:11
araOK, moving on15:11
ara#topic Any other business?15:11
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roadmro/15:12
araroadmr, go ahead :)15:12
roadmryay! so where do we stand as far as strings (for instance, job descriptions) are concerned? because we're getting some bug reports from people testing beta2 which show some descriptions could use improving15:13
araroadmr, if they are critical (i.e. if not changing them could turn into a 1 star submission), then we should fix them15:14
arawe would need translations freeze exception, but it is clear that we will need to fix some of those15:15
roadmrara: they're just confusing :/ we could always argue that failures were due to misinterpretation %)15:15
roadmrI understand at this point changes affect other people (translators, who probably hate us by now)15:15
roadmrbut still it's something to keep on the radar I think15:16
roadmrok, that's all I had :)15:16
roadmr..15:16
araOK; thanks. I think that we might need to fix some of those :(15:16
araso, we'd better fix them soon :)15:16
araand yes, they should hate us by now15:16
arabut let's just fix those that really can turn a 3 stars to 1 star15:17
ara..15:17
araanything else?15:17
aragoing once...15:18
aragoing twice...15:18
roadmr?!?15:19
balloonsheh15:19
ara#endmeeting15:20
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ara:D15:20
arathanks all!15:20
roadmrthanks ara!15:21
cr3cheerio folks!15:22
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mdeslaur\o18:00
micahgo/18:01
* sbeattie waves18:01
* mdeslaur looks for tyhicks and jjohansen18:01
tyhicksI'm here :)18:01
jjohansen\o18:01
mdeslaur#startmeeting18:01
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Apr  2 18:01:56 2012 UTC.  The chair is mdeslaur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.18:01
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mdeslaurThe meeting agenda can be found at:18:02
mdeslaur[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting18:02
mdeslaur[TOPIC] Announcements18:02
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mdeslauruh, nothing to announce.18:02
mdeslaurI don't like fish.18:02
mdeslaurthere.18:02
mdeslaur[TOPIC] Review of any previous action items18:03
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mdeslaurno previous action items, skipping18:03
mdeslaur[TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report18:03
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mdeslaurI am on triage this week18:03
mdeslauram working on a couple of embargoed issues, and need to do some mysql testing before pushing them to -proposed18:03
mdeslaurthat's about it...18:04
mdeslaursbeattie: you're next18:04
sbeattieI'm in the happy place this week18:04
sbeattieI'm working on more apparmor bugs18:04
sbeattieI may also try to pick up an update this week.18:05
sbeattiethat's pretty much it for me.18:05
sbeattiemicahg: poke18:05
mdeslaursbeattie: think you'll have the two milestoned apparmor issues fixed this week?18:05
sbeattiemdeslaur: bug 872446 we can fix now with an apparmor upload18:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 872446 in apparmor (Ubuntu Precise) "aa-logprof drops exec denials" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87244618:06
sbeattiebug 800826 I am planning to fix this week as well.18:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 800826 in apparmor (Ubuntu Precise) "aa-notify doesn't display certain apparmor events" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80082618:06
mdeslaursbeattie: you mentioned some regression in the test suite with the first one, is that fixed?18:06
mdeslaursbeattie: oh, never mind, I misread the bug comment18:07
mdeslaursbeattie: sorry18:07
mdeslaursbeattie: awesome, thanks!18:07
mdeslaurmicahg: you're up18:07
micahgI'm working on a thunderbird regression, then I have 2 stable release transitions in the works for after maverick EOL, thunderbird 11 migration and webkit18:07
sbeattieit wasn't a regression in the testsuite, it ended up exposing another bug in the apparmor utils.18:07
micahgoh, and chromium 18 SRU as well18:08
mdeslaurmicahg: cool. is that regression 11.0.1?18:08
mdeslaurmicahg: or something else18:08
micahgmdeslaur: yes18:08
mdeslauro18:08
mdeslaurok18:08
micahgthat's it for me18:08
tyhicksI'm in the community role this week18:09
tyhicksI'm working on the gnutls updates. Making good progress this morning, so I'm confident that they'll go out by mid-week.18:09
tyhicksI've also still go to give upstream eCryptfs some love (bug tracker, getting a couple fixes upstream) at some point18:10
tyhicksand I'll pick up another update, too18:10
tyhicksThat's it for me18:10
tyhicksjjohansen: You're up18:10
jjohansenthis week looks like it will primarily be more bug fixing :/18:11
jjohansenI need to finish up with Bug #969228, Bug #969299, Bug #970647, Bug #959352, and Bug #95956018:11
jjohansenif I finish up with that I will do some additions to the test suite and any remaining work items.18:11
jjohansenOh I need to poke at why precise won't install on my x120e so that I can file a decent bug report18:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 969228 in lxc (Ubuntu) "Unable to load another apparmor profile from /etc/apparmor.d/lxc/" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96922818:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 969299 in apparmor (Ubuntu Precise) "apparmor prevents dpkg-divert and localedef from working in a container" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96929918:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 970647 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "Denials due to "deleted" are not being logged" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97064718:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 959352 in lxc (Ubuntu) "Ephemeral containers have "/rootfs" prefix in /proc/self/maps entries" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95935218:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 959560 in AppArmor "deny mount does not work correctly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95956018:11
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tyhicksjjohansen: There was a considerable delay after I prodded you. Sounds like you need to fix a regression in your status reporting script this week, too. ;)18:11
* jjohansen should just paste those in a form ubottu doesn't recognize18:12
mdeslaur[TOPIC] Highlighted packages18:12
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mdeslaurThe Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.18:12
mdeslaurSee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.18:12
mdeslaurhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/lxsession.html18:12
mdeslaurhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/bristol.html18:12
mdeslaurhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/egroupware-egw-pear.html18:12
mdeslaurhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/b2evolution.html18:12
mdeslaurhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gnome-subtitles.html18:12
mdeslaur[TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions18:13
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mdeslaurDoes anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?18:13
mdeslaurThanks everyone!18:14
mdeslaur#endmeeting18:14
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Apr  2 18:14:25 2012 UTC.18:14
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tyhicksThanks mdeslaur18:14
jjohansenthanks mdeslaur18:15
micahgthanks md18:17
micahgthanks mdeslaur18:17
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soreno/20:01
sorenstgraber: Am I an hour early?20:01
stgrabersoren: according to the UTC time on the wiki, yes. According to my phone, no ;)20:02
stgrabersoren: I assumed the wiki was right20:02
stgraberas we decided not to change our UTC meeting time with DST, I think having it in an hour makes sense20:03
stgraber(or I got confused by timezones/dst/... again ;))20:03
MrChrisDruifNo meeting?20:07
sorenstgraber: You're right. I have too many meetings this time of day, got confused. In 47½ minutes it is.20:12
MrChrisDruifsoren; the Technical Board meeting?20:13
sorenMrChrisDruif: Yes.20:14
MrChrisDruifHmm, then it's not not on the Fridge Calendar20:14
MrChrisDruifP.s. there isn't a link to the Agenda20:15
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scott-workis the TB meeting happening here?20:55
MrChrisDruifscott-work; should start in a few minutes20:58
cjwatsonyes20:58
soreno/21:00
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stgraber#startmeeting21:01
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Apr  2 21:01:08 2012 UTC.  The chair is stgraber. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.21:01
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stgraber#topic Action review21:01
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stgrabersoren: what's the status of "Soren agreed to send mail regarding meeting time changes from the prior meeting."?21:01
sorenHm.21:01
sorenI don't think I ever got around to doing that, I'm afraid.21:02
stgraberok, I'll keep that one in the list then21:02
sorenSorry, refresh my memory. We did agree to keep the UTC time, right?21:02
sorenSo the e-mail was to share that decision with anyone else following the list?21:03
cjwatsonI believe so21:03
stgraberyeah, I think the idea was to wait for everyone to be on DST (now done) and see if that works, if it does, then stay on UTC21:03
sorenCool.21:03
stgraber#topic ubuntu studio LTS status for 12.0421:04
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stgraberscott-work: hello21:04
scott-workhello stgraber21:04
scott-worket al21:05
stgraberhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/12.04/LTS-Proposal21:05
cjwatsonthis is looking better-fleshed-out this time, thanks21:06
scott-worki had some help :)21:08
stgrabersoren: marking your action has done, thanks for the e-mail21:08
cjwatsonthe CVE review doesn't look too bad, indeed21:08
* soren tips his hat in stgraber's general direction21:08
* scott-work wants to note that a lightning storm is moving in and he might lose connection21:09
cjwatsonlibav-extra is the main source of recent CVEs, but I guess that many of those are probably carried over from libav21:09
* kees is late but here now.21:09
cjwatson2008 clearly sucked for AV packages ;-)21:10
stgraberkees: cool, so we actually have quorum now, thanks for joining!21:10
* stgraber runs an extra germinate diff with kubuntu and edubuntu added, to see what's truely unique to ubuntu-studio21:11
stgraberroughly getting an extra 40 source packages out of the list (that will have to be coordinated with the other flavours)21:13
stgraberso that's (if my script is correct) the list of source packages that are only shipped by ubuntu-studio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/912067/21:14
stgraberand that's the same list but only for these with ubuntu delta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/912068/21:14
cjwatsonI think I'm OK with this at this point21:15
cjwatsonnothing is jumping out at me as obviously unsuitable, and the US team is clearly dedicated21:15
stgraberthe only scary thing I see in the list is linux-lowlatency21:15
stgraberbut I must admit not being too familiar with the delta between our standard kernel and linux-lowlatency21:16
cjwatsonthat one did get explicitly discussed and agreed21:17
scott-workstgraber:  it is very close the the -generic kernel and does not require the invasive patch ala -rt kernel21:17
stgrabercool21:17
* kees nods21:17
stgraberare there any plan to make lowlatency variants of the LTS backport kernels?21:17
cjwatsonhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-lowlatency21:17
scott-workstgraber: i am unaware of any plans21:17
scott-workat least at the current time21:18
stgraberok, any other question or are we ready to vote?21:19
sorenI have no further questions.21:20
stgraber#startvote Ubuntu Studio 3 years LTS for 12.0421:21
stgraber#vote Ubuntu Studio 3 years LTS for 12.0421:22
meetingologyPlease vote on: Ubuntu Studio 3 years LTS for 12.0421:22
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)21:22
cjwatson+121:22
meetingology+1 received from cjwatson21:22
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meetingology+1 received from stgraber21:22
soren+121:22
meetingology+1 received from soren21:22
kees+121:23
meetingology+1 received from kees21:23
stgraber#envote21:23
stgraber#endvote21:24
meetingologyVoting ended on: Ubuntu Studio 3 years LTS for 12.0421:24
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:021:24
meetingologyMotion carried21:24
stgrabergood, one more LTS flavour ;)21:24
scott-workthank you :)21:24
micahgo/21:24
cjwatsonthank *you*, you're the one who just signed up for a bunch of work ;-21:24
cjwatson;-)21:24
cjwatsonmicahg: ?21:24
micahgjust wanted to point out libav-extra has been folded into libav, but I guess it's not applicable for the LTS as well that next cycle it's likely to drop to universe, but again not relevant, sorry21:25
cjwatsonI guess it'll just mean less work overall?21:26
micahgand libav-extra is usually uploaded in concert with libav by the security-team21:26
stgrabergood to know21:26
micahgwell, it'll be more work in 12.10 as the security team won't be supporting it anymore, but in 12.04 it's fine21:26
cjwatsonah, I see21:27
cjwatsonOK21:27
stgraberRiddell: ping21:27
micahgit's still separate sources in precise21:27
Riddellhi21:27
stgraber#topic Kubuntu Future21:27
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* ScottK looks up.21:27
Riddellas you'll know canonical doesn't want to support kubuntu in future21:27
Riddellso I wanted to check the tech board was fine to have an ubuntu flavour sponsored by other companies21:28
RiddellI know it's not an especially techy question21:28
Riddellbut if e.g. we had to change name because canonical didn't want it sponsored by other companies it would need tech board support21:28
Riddell..21:29
cjwatsonWe're fine having flavours not sponsored by Canonical, so I don't see why another company would be a problem if it were working within Ubuntu community processes21:29
cjwatsonHas anyone suggested that it might be a problem?21:30
Riddellyes we'd certainly want to be within the ubuntu project properly21:30
keesyeah, I can't imagine a problem with this.21:30
ScottKI think Riddell is checking in advance out of an abundance of caution.21:30
Riddellyes21:30
cjwatsonNon-Canonical corporate investment in Ubuntu seems like the kind of thing we should welcome with open arms, TBH21:31
cjwatsonI can't speak for trademark issues, that's above my pay grade :)21:31
Riddelllovely thanks, that's all I wanted21:31
cjwatson(Is this actively on the cards, or is it checking in advance - or can you not say right now?)21:32
Riddellthere's various companies who have contacted me to go "waa we depend on kubuntu, how can we help"21:32
Riddellso maybe21:32
stgraberthe other flavours have been running for years without Canonical sponsorship (outside of the base infrastructure) and I don't see much difference between having some funding coming from another company vs community funding/resources21:32
sorenSorry, I've completely missed this. Where has this decision been published?21:33
Riddellsoren: canonical not supporting kubuntu?21:33
sorenI guess I don't pay much attention to Kubuntu "forums" (in the broadest possible sense of "forums")21:33
sorenRiddell: Yes.21:33
Riddelldon't you follow the #riddell hashtag on twitter?!21:33
sorenNo.21:33
RiddellI'm insulted21:33
Riddell:)21:33
ScottKApparently not Jono's blog either.21:33
sorenYo ushould be.21:33
cjwatsonsoren: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005782.html21:33
sorenI follow everyone but you.21:34
soren:)21:34
* soren hugs Riddell 21:34
sorenScottK: Perhaps not quite as religiously as some. :)21:35
ScottK;-)21:35
stgraberFWIW there's also a list of what Canonical provides to all approved flavours here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors21:36
stgraberI'm happy to have that wiki page extended with resources provided by other companies/individuals though edits to that page should probably be done by the TB21:37
cjwatsonmakes sense21:37
cjwatsonalthough maybe links to a separate page unless they're resources committed for flavours in general rather than for a single flavour21:37
stgraberI probably should add myself to that list as I'm providing daily upgrade testing for all flavours that have a profile defined in update-manager21:38
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stgrabercjwatson: indeed, makes sense21:38
stgraberRiddell: anything else on this topic?21:39
Riddellnot from me thanks21:39
stgraber#topic Select a chair for the next meeting21:39
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stgrabereveryone happy to let mdz chair the next one?21:40
keessure21:40
sorenSure.21:40
sorenstgraber: Thanks for stepping up this time!21:40
stgrabersoren: np21:40
stgraber#topic AOB21:40
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stgraberanything?21:40
keesnothing from me21:40
sorennope21:40
stgraberok, thanks everyone for attending21:41
cjwatsonnor I21:41
stgraber#endmeeting21:41
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Apr  2 21:41:34 2012 UTC.21:41
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* cjwatson goes back to build failures :)21:41
keesthank stgraber!21:41
kees*thanks21:41
MrChrisDruif<_<"21:43

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