[15:01] <ara> hello!
[15:01] <roadmr> aloha!
[15:02] <ara> we don't seem to have any topics on the agenda for today, but I will add one :)
[15:02] <ara> #startmeeting
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Apr  2 15:02:18 2012 UTC.  The chair is ara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:02] <ara> #topic - Checkbox status in Precise
[15:02] <ara> OK, so let's sum up how things are looking for 12.04 in Checkbox
[15:03] <ara> 1) Checkbox Qt is untranslatable so far, but the tests are pretty much translated
[15:03] <ara> roadmr, any updates on the bug about Checkbox Qt not being translatable?
[15:06] <ara> roadmr, ?
[15:06] <roadmr> ara: sorry!
[15:06] <roadmr> ara: the merge request was approved a moment ago, I have to merge it and then prepare an Ubuntu upload for 0.13.6
[15:07] <roadmr> ara: I can have that ready today I expect
[15:07] <ara> roadmr, wow, I didn't now it has progressed that much! it is great news
[15:07] <roadmr> ara: yes, well ctf tested it quite thoroughly so we're confident it works well
[15:08] <ara> thanks roadmr, ctf :)
[15:08] <ara> 2) We will need to update the documentation on the friendly site: https://friendly.ubuntu.com/participate/
[15:08] <ara> to match the new interface
[15:09] <ara> 3) balloons is going to help us reaching the Ubuntu community to test their systems once 12.04 gets released :)
[15:10] <ara> ..
[15:10] <ara> anything else urgent that needs to be fixed (for sure) for 12.04?
[15:11] <ara> mmm, it doesn't look like it
[15:11] <ara> OK, moving on
[15:11] <ara> #topic Any other business?
[15:12] <roadmr> o/
[15:12] <ara> roadmr, go ahead :)
[15:13] <roadmr> yay! so where do we stand as far as strings (for instance, job descriptions) are concerned? because we're getting some bug reports from people testing beta2 which show some descriptions could use improving
[15:14] <ara> roadmr, if they are critical (i.e. if not changing them could turn into a 1 star submission), then we should fix them
[15:15] <ara> we would need translations freeze exception, but it is clear that we will need to fix some of those
[15:15] <roadmr> ara: they're just confusing :/ we could always argue that failures were due to misinterpretation %)
[15:15] <roadmr> I understand at this point changes affect other people (translators, who probably hate us by now)
[15:16] <roadmr> but still it's something to keep on the radar I think
[15:16] <roadmr> ok, that's all I had :)
[15:16] <roadmr> ..
[15:16] <ara> OK; thanks. I think that we might need to fix some of those :(
[15:16] <ara> so, we'd better fix them soon :)
[15:16] <ara> and yes, they should hate us by now
[15:17] <ara> but let's just fix those that really can turn a 3 stars to 1 star
[15:17] <ara> ..
[15:17] <ara> anything else?
[15:18] <ara> going once...
[15:18] <ara> going twice...
[15:19] <roadmr> ?!?
[15:19] <balloons> heh
[15:20] <ara> #endmeeting
[15:20] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Apr  2 15:20:00 2012 UTC.
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[15:20] <ara> :D
[15:20] <ara> thanks all!
[15:21] <roadmr> thanks ara!
[15:22] <cr3> cheerio folks!
[18:00] <mdeslaur> \o
[18:01] <micahg> o/
[18:01]  * sbeattie waves
[18:01]  * mdeslaur looks for tyhicks and jjohansen
[18:01] <tyhicks> I'm here :)
[18:01] <jjohansen> \o
[18:01] <mdeslaur> #startmeeting
[18:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Apr  2 18:01:56 2012 UTC.  The chair is mdeslaur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:02] <mdeslaur> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:02] <mdeslaur> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:02] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Announcements
[18:02] <mdeslaur> uh, nothing to announce.
[18:02] <mdeslaur> I don't like fish.
[18:02] <mdeslaur> there.
[18:03] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Review of any previous action items
[18:03] <mdeslaur> no previous action items, skipping
[18:03] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:03] <mdeslaur> I am on triage this week
[18:03] <mdeslaur> am working on a couple of embargoed issues, and need to do some mysql testing before pushing them to -proposed
[18:04] <mdeslaur> that's about it...
[18:04] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're next
[18:04] <sbeattie> I'm in the happy place this week
[18:04] <sbeattie> I'm working on more apparmor bugs
[18:05] <sbeattie> I may also try to pick up an update this week.
[18:05] <sbeattie> that's pretty much it for me.
[18:05] <sbeattie> micahg: poke
[18:05] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: think you'll have the two milestoned apparmor issues fixed this week?
[18:06] <sbeattie> mdeslaur: bug 872446 we can fix now with an apparmor upload
[18:06] <sbeattie> bug 800826 I am planning to fix this week as well.
[18:06] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you mentioned some regression in the test suite with the first one, is that fixed?
[18:07] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: oh, never mind, I misread the bug comment
[18:07] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: sorry
[18:07] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: awesome, thanks!
[18:07] <mdeslaur> micahg: you're up
[18:07] <micahg> I'm working on a thunderbird regression, then I have 2 stable release transitions in the works for after maverick EOL, thunderbird 11 migration and webkit
[18:07] <sbeattie> it wasn't a regression in the testsuite, it ended up exposing another bug in the apparmor utils.
[18:08] <micahg> oh, and chromium 18 SRU as well
[18:08] <mdeslaur> micahg: cool. is that regression 11.0.1?
[18:08] <mdeslaur> micahg: or something else
[18:08] <micahg> mdeslaur: yes
[18:08] <mdeslaur> o
[18:08] <mdeslaur> ok
[18:08] <micahg> that's it for me
[18:09] <tyhicks> I'm in the community role this week
[18:09] <tyhicks> I'm working on the gnutls updates. Making good progress this morning, so I'm confident that they'll go out by mid-week.
[18:10] <tyhicks> I've also still go to give upstream eCryptfs some love (bug tracker, getting a couple fixes upstream) at some point
[18:10] <tyhicks> and I'll pick up another update, too
[18:10] <tyhicks> That's it for me
[18:10] <tyhicks> jjohansen: You're up
[18:11] <jjohansen> this week looks like it will primarily be more bug fixing :/
[18:11] <jjohansen> I need to finish up with Bug #969228, Bug #969299, Bug #970647, Bug #959352, and Bug #959560
[18:11] <jjohansen> if I finish up with that I will do some additions to the test suite and any remaining work items.
[18:11] <jjohansen> Oh I need to poke at why precise won't install on my x120e so that I can file a decent bug report
[18:11]  * mdeslaur slaps ubottu
[18:11] <tyhicks> jjohansen: There was a considerable delay after I prodded you. Sounds like you need to fix a regression in your status reporting script this week, too. ;)
[18:12]  * jjohansen should just paste those in a form ubottu doesn't recognize
[18:12] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:12] <mdeslaur> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:12] <mdeslaur> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:12] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/lxsession.html
[18:12] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/bristol.html
[18:12] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/egroupware-egw-pear.html
[18:12] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/b2evolution.html
[18:12] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gnome-subtitles.html
[18:13] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:13] <mdeslaur> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:14] <mdeslaur> Thanks everyone!
[18:14] <mdeslaur> #endmeeting
[18:14] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Apr  2 18:14:25 2012 UTC.
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[18:14] <tyhicks> Thanks mdeslaur
[18:15] <jjohansen> thanks mdeslaur
[18:17] <micahg> thanks md
[18:17] <micahg> thanks mdeslaur
[20:01] <soren> o/
[20:01] <soren> stgraber: Am I an hour early?
[20:02] <stgraber> soren: according to the UTC time on the wiki, yes. According to my phone, no ;)
[20:02] <stgraber> soren: I assumed the wiki was right
[20:03] <stgraber> as we decided not to change our UTC meeting time with DST, I think having it in an hour makes sense
[20:03] <stgraber> (or I got confused by timezones/dst/... again ;))
[20:07] <MrChrisDruif> No meeting?
[20:12] <soren> stgraber: You're right. I have too many meetings this time of day, got confused. In 47½ minutes it is.
[20:13] <MrChrisDruif> soren; the Technical Board meeting?
[20:14] <soren> MrChrisDruif: Yes.
[20:14] <MrChrisDruif> Hmm, then it's not not on the Fridge Calendar
[20:15] <MrChrisDruif> P.s. there isn't a link to the Agenda
[20:55] <scott-work> is the TB meeting happening here?
[20:58] <MrChrisDruif> scott-work; should start in a few minutes
[20:58] <cjwatson> yes
[21:00] <soren> o/
[21:01]  * stgraber waves
[21:01] <stgraber> #startmeeting
[21:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Apr  2 21:01:08 2012 UTC.  The chair is stgraber. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[21:01] <stgraber> #topic Action review
[21:01] <stgraber> soren: what's the status of "Soren agreed to send mail regarding meeting time changes from the prior meeting."?
[21:01] <soren> Hm.
[21:02] <soren> I don't think I ever got around to doing that, I'm afraid.
[21:02] <stgraber> ok, I'll keep that one in the list then
[21:02] <soren> Sorry, refresh my memory. We did agree to keep the UTC time, right?
[21:03] <soren> So the e-mail was to share that decision with anyone else following the list?
[21:03] <cjwatson> I believe so
[21:03] <stgraber> yeah, I think the idea was to wait for everyone to be on DST (now done) and see if that works, if it does, then stay on UTC
[21:03] <soren> Cool.
[21:04] <stgraber> #topic ubuntu studio LTS status for 12.04
[21:04] <stgraber> scott-work: hello
[21:04] <scott-work> hello stgraber
[21:05] <scott-work> et al
[21:05] <stgraber> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/12.04/LTS-Proposal
[21:06] <cjwatson> this is looking better-fleshed-out this time, thanks
[21:08] <scott-work> i had some help :)
[21:08] <stgraber> soren: marking your action has done, thanks for the e-mail
[21:08] <cjwatson> the CVE review doesn't look too bad, indeed
[21:08]  * soren tips his hat in stgraber's general direction
[21:09]  * scott-work wants to note that a lightning storm is moving in and he might lose connection
[21:09] <cjwatson> libav-extra is the main source of recent CVEs, but I guess that many of those are probably carried over from libav
[21:09]  * kees is late but here now.
[21:10] <cjwatson> 2008 clearly sucked for AV packages ;-)
[21:10] <stgraber> kees: cool, so we actually have quorum now, thanks for joining!
[21:11]  * stgraber runs an extra germinate diff with kubuntu and edubuntu added, to see what's truely unique to ubuntu-studio
[21:13] <stgraber> roughly getting an extra 40 source packages out of the list (that will have to be coordinated with the other flavours)
[21:14] <stgraber> so that's (if my script is correct) the list of source packages that are only shipped by ubuntu-studio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/912067/
[21:14] <stgraber> and that's the same list but only for these with ubuntu delta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/912068/
[21:15] <cjwatson> I think I'm OK with this at this point
[21:15] <cjwatson> nothing is jumping out at me as obviously unsuitable, and the US team is clearly dedicated
[21:15] <stgraber> the only scary thing I see in the list is linux-lowlatency
[21:16] <stgraber> but I must admit not being too familiar with the delta between our standard kernel and linux-lowlatency
[21:17] <cjwatson> that one did get explicitly discussed and agreed
[21:17] <scott-work> stgraber:  it is very close the the -generic kernel and does not require the invasive patch ala -rt kernel
[21:17] <stgraber> cool
[21:17]  * kees nods
[21:17] <stgraber> are there any plan to make lowlatency variants of the LTS backport kernels?
[21:17] <cjwatson> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-lowlatency
[21:17] <scott-work> stgraber: i am unaware of any plans
[21:18] <scott-work> at least at the current time
[21:19] <stgraber> ok, any other question or are we ready to vote?
[21:20] <soren> I have no further questions.
[21:21] <stgraber> #startvote Ubuntu Studio 3 years LTS for 12.04
[21:22] <stgraber> #vote Ubuntu Studio 3 years LTS for 12.04
[21:22] <meetingology> Please vote on: Ubuntu Studio 3 years LTS for 12.04
[21:22] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[21:22] <cjwatson> +1
[21:22] <meetingology> +1 received from cjwatson
[21:22] <stgraber> +1
[21:22] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[21:22] <soren> +1
[21:22] <meetingology> +1 received from soren
[21:23] <kees> +1
[21:23] <meetingology> +1 received from kees
[21:23] <stgraber> #envote
[21:24] <stgraber> #endvote
[21:24] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Ubuntu Studio 3 years LTS for 12.04
[21:24] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[21:24] <meetingology> Motion carried
[21:24] <stgraber> good, one more LTS flavour ;)
[21:24] <scott-work> thank you :)
[21:24] <micahg> o/
[21:24] <cjwatson> thank *you*, you're the one who just signed up for a bunch of work ;-
[21:24] <cjwatson> ;-)
[21:24] <cjwatson> micahg: ?
[21:25] <micahg> just wanted to point out libav-extra has been folded into libav, but I guess it's not applicable for the LTS as well that next cycle it's likely to drop to universe, but again not relevant, sorry
[21:26] <cjwatson> I guess it'll just mean less work overall?
[21:26] <micahg> and libav-extra is usually uploaded in concert with libav by the security-team
[21:26] <stgraber> good to know
[21:26] <micahg> well, it'll be more work in 12.10 as the security team won't be supporting it anymore, but in 12.04 it's fine
[21:27] <cjwatson> ah, I see
[21:27] <cjwatson> OK
[21:27] <stgraber> Riddell: ping
[21:27] <micahg> it's still separate sources in precise
[21:27] <Riddell> hi
[21:27] <stgraber> #topic Kubuntu Future
[21:27]  * ScottK looks up.
[21:27] <Riddell> as you'll know canonical doesn't want to support kubuntu in future
[21:28] <Riddell> so I wanted to check the tech board was fine to have an ubuntu flavour sponsored by other companies
[21:28] <Riddell> I know it's not an especially techy question
[21:28] <Riddell> but if e.g. we had to change name because canonical didn't want it sponsored by other companies it would need tech board support
[21:29] <Riddell> ..
[21:29] <cjwatson> We're fine having flavours not sponsored by Canonical, so I don't see why another company would be a problem if it were working within Ubuntu community processes
[21:30] <cjwatson> Has anyone suggested that it might be a problem?
[21:30] <Riddell> yes we'd certainly want to be within the ubuntu project properly
[21:30] <kees> yeah, I can't imagine a problem with this.
[21:30] <ScottK> I think Riddell is checking in advance out of an abundance of caution.
[21:30] <Riddell> yes
[21:31] <cjwatson> Non-Canonical corporate investment in Ubuntu seems like the kind of thing we should welcome with open arms, TBH
[21:31] <cjwatson> I can't speak for trademark issues, that's above my pay grade :)
[21:31] <Riddell> lovely thanks, that's all I wanted
[21:32] <cjwatson> (Is this actively on the cards, or is it checking in advance - or can you not say right now?)
[21:32] <Riddell> there's various companies who have contacted me to go "waa we depend on kubuntu, how can we help"
[21:32] <Riddell> so maybe
[21:32] <stgraber> the other flavours have been running for years without Canonical sponsorship (outside of the base infrastructure) and I don't see much difference between having some funding coming from another company vs community funding/resources
[21:33] <soren> Sorry, I've completely missed this. Where has this decision been published?
[21:33] <Riddell> soren: canonical not supporting kubuntu?
[21:33] <soren> I guess I don't pay much attention to Kubuntu "forums" (in the broadest possible sense of "forums")
[21:33] <soren> Riddell: Yes.
[21:33] <Riddell> don't you follow the #riddell hashtag on twitter?!
[21:33] <soren> No.
[21:33] <Riddell> I'm insulted
[21:33] <Riddell> :)
[21:33] <ScottK> Apparently not Jono's blog either.
[21:33] <soren> Yo ushould be.
[21:33] <cjwatson> soren: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005782.html
[21:34] <soren> I follow everyone but you.
[21:34] <soren> :)
[21:34]  * soren hugs Riddell 
[21:35] <soren> ScottK: Perhaps not quite as religiously as some. :)
[21:35] <ScottK> ;-)
[21:36] <stgraber> FWIW there's also a list of what Canonical provides to all approved flavours here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors
[21:37] <stgraber> I'm happy to have that wiki page extended with resources provided by other companies/individuals though edits to that page should probably be done by the TB
[21:37] <cjwatson> makes sense
[21:37] <cjwatson> although maybe links to a separate page unless they're resources committed for flavours in general rather than for a single flavour
[21:38] <stgraber> I probably should add myself to that list as I'm providing daily upgrade testing for all flavours that have a profile defined in update-manager
[21:38] <stgraber> cjwatson: indeed, makes sense
[21:39] <stgraber> Riddell: anything else on this topic?
[21:39] <Riddell> not from me thanks
[21:39] <stgraber> #topic Select a chair for the next meeting
[21:40] <stgraber> everyone happy to let mdz chair the next one?
[21:40] <kees> sure
[21:40] <soren> Sure.
[21:40] <soren> stgraber: Thanks for stepping up this time!
[21:40] <stgraber> soren: np
[21:40] <stgraber> #topic AOB
[21:40] <stgraber> anything?
[21:40] <kees> nothing from me
[21:40] <soren> nope
[21:41] <stgraber> ok, thanks everyone for attending
[21:41] <cjwatson> nor I
[21:41] <stgraber> #endmeeting
[21:41] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Apr  2 21:41:34 2012 UTC.
[21:41] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-02-21.01.moin.txt
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[21:41]  * cjwatson goes back to build failures :)
[21:41] <kees> thank stgraber!
[21:41] <kees> *thanks
[21:43] <MrChrisDruif> <_<"