| cousin_luigi | Greetings. | 11:32 |
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| asac | chrisccoulson: ffox restart worked :) | 11:59 |
| asac | well done | 11:59 |
| asac | which file shall i touch to try a more stress way (try many times) | 11:59 |
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| cousin_luigi | Tell me, will Chromium be able to rely on the PPAPI implementation of the flash player? | 15:51 |
| micahg | cousin_luigi: that's what Adobe has committed to for the future, Ubuntu will be staying with 11.2 though for its life | 15:56 |
| cousin_luigi | micahg: I mean Chromium instead of Chrome. | 15:58 |
| micahg | cousin_luigi: I would think so | 15:59 |
| cousin_luigi | micahg: Someone on irc.mozilla.org/#firefox said that it might not be that obvious. | 16:00 |
| micahg | unless it uses the native client in some way which we haven't reenabled for chromium yet | 16:01 |
| cousin_luigi | micahg: I can't find the link now, but it was something about the plugin being distributed only with Chrome. | 16:01 |
| kbrosnan | the only thing is that adobe said that they don't plan on distributing flash as a download | 16:01 |
| micahg | cousin_luigi: yes, but we don't distribute flash with chromium now | 16:02 |
| micahg | oh, right, they're not distributing binaries anymore :) | 16:02 |
| micahg | well, for 11.3+ | 16:02 |
| cousin_luigi | micahg: Does google? | 16:02 |
| micahg | yeah, with Chrome, so I guess your point is valid | 16:02 |
| * micahg digs up the article | 16:02 | |
| cousin_luigi | So, basically Chromium will have the API but not the binary blob to interface to? | 16:03 |
| micahg | right | 16:03 |
| cousin_luigi | :( | 16:03 |
| cousin_luigi | Do you think it would be viable (both legally and technically) extracting it from the Chrome installer? | 16:04 |
| micahg | http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2012/02/adobe-and-google-partnering-for-flash-player-on-linux.html | 16:04 |
| micahg | doubtful | 16:05 |
| cousin_luigi | What about Lightspark and Shumway then? | 16:06 |
| micahg | cousin_luigi: they'll continue to reverse engineer and try to keep up | 16:09 |
| micahg | but those projects (gnash as well) need distro and upstream people interested in driving development and rollout of these products | 16:10 |
| chrisccoulson | what we need is for flash to get hit by a bus and die entirely | 16:11 |
| cousin_luigi | My very personal hunch is that pay-per-view streaming sites will keep it alive, porn ones especially. | 16:12 |
| cousin_luigi | Oh yes, and dumb games.:) | 16:12 |
| chrisccoulson | "google chrome - for people who watch porn" :-) | 16:13 |
| chrisccoulson | if i were a conspiracy theorist, i would think that google would like to become the sole distributor of flash whilst it's still relevant, to give themselves a very big lever for the web, so that they can make everyone use chrome | 16:15 |
| chrisccoulson | but, i don't believe in conspiracy theories really ;) | 16:15 |
| chrisccoulson | of course, google aren't evil like that | 16:16 |
| chrisccoulson | so they say | 16:16 |
| cousin_luigi | Well, they would only have a lever on linux (2% of the desktop market) and Android. | 16:16 |
| cousin_luigi | I suspect Adobe wanted to get rid of the burden. | 16:16 |
| chrisccoulson | i mean, they did get rid of h.264 from chrome, like they said they would | 16:16 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, wait... | 16:16 |
| chrisccoulson | cousin_luigi, i'm pretty sure that adobe dropping linux is just the start ;) | 16:17 |
| * cousin_luigi goes fetch a tinfoil roll and passes around | 16:17 | |
| chrisccoulson | i think it would be naive to think that they won't drop other platforms in the future | 16:17 |
| chrisccoulson | heh | 16:17 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i should put on my tinfoil hat really | 16:18 |
| cousin_luigi | Why would they? They're even planning to make more money from it. | 16:18 |
| cousin_luigi | The 9% tax or whatever is the official denomination. | 16:18 |
| chrisccoulson | cousin_luigi, well, i'm not sure what adobe's plans for flash are. but, they already killed mobile development, and now they've dropped linux | 16:19 |
| cousin_luigi | https://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/premium-features.html | 16:20 |
| cousin_luigi | Well, flash mobile=android pretty much. | 16:21 |
| cousin_luigi | And we're back at Google.:| | 16:21 |
| chrisccoulson | :) | 16:22 |
| * cousin_luigi wonders what's the legal status of https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=57249 | 16:31 | |
| chrisccoulson | not sure. it seems that they do the same with the pdf plugin too | 16:34 |
| cousin_luigi | chrisccoulson: Do you think a PPA based on that would be a problem? | 16:37 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm not sure | 16:38 |
| micahg | cousin_luigi: you have to check the licensing, if it's not distributable, then yes, it's a problem | 16:39 |
| cousin_luigi | micahg: Even if it's the user itself downloading and extracting it? | 16:40 |
| micahg | cousin_luigi: https://help.launchpad.net/PPATermsofUse | 16:41 |
| chrisccoulson | someone had their PPA disabled recently for hosting the sun java packages ;) | 16:42 |
| cousin_luigi | micahg: I believe the script itself is GPL'd | 16:43 |
| cousin_luigi | micahg: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ch/chromium-pepper-flash/PKGBUILD | 16:43 |
| cousin_luigi | chrisccoulson: I hope it's not the webupd8 one for the oracle jdk7:/ | 16:43 |
| micahg | cousin_luigi: IANAL and refuse to comment further :) | 16:44 |
| cousin_luigi | micahg: Ok:) | 16:44 |
| cousin_luigi | micahg: Who do you think I should ask? | 16:44 |
| micahg | cousin_luigi: if there's a question of licensing in PPAs, #launchpad | 16:45 |
| cousin_luigi | micahg: ok, thanks | 16:45 |
| micahg | cousin_luigi: or file a requestnchpad at answers.launchpad.net/lau | 16:45 |
| micahg | *answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | 16:45 |
| cousin_luigi | You know what? I'll petition the webupd8 team and have them risk their $NETHER_REGIONS. :) | 16:51 |
| chrisccoulson | i think that the oracle downloader one is probably ok. if it wasn't, then it's likely that it would have disappeared already ;) | 16:55 |
| chrisccoulson | of course, IANAL either. perhaps nobody spotted that PPA before :) | 16:57 |
| chrisccoulson | woah, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17589298 | 17:43 |
| chrisccoulson | i bet that guy needed some new underwear after that | 17:44 |
| cousin_luigi | How come he had a camera following him? | 17:50 |
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