[11:32] Greetings. [11:59] chrisccoulson: ffox restart worked :) [11:59] well done [11:59] which file shall i touch to try a more stress way (try many times) === BufferOverflow is now known as Unit193 [15:51] Tell me, will Chromium be able to rely on the PPAPI implementation of the flash player? [15:56] cousin_luigi: that's what Adobe has committed to for the future, Ubuntu will be staying with 11.2 though for its life [15:58] micahg: I mean Chromium instead of Chrome. [15:59] cousin_luigi: I would think so [16:00] micahg: Someone on irc.mozilla.org/#firefox said that it might not be that obvious. [16:01] unless it uses the native client in some way which we haven't reenabled for chromium yet [16:01] micahg: I can't find the link now, but it was something about the plugin being distributed only with Chrome. [16:01] the only thing is that adobe said that they don't plan on distributing flash as a download [16:02] cousin_luigi: yes, but we don't distribute flash with chromium now [16:02] oh, right, they're not distributing binaries anymore :) [16:02] well, for 11.3+ [16:02] micahg: Does google? [16:02] yeah, with Chrome, so I guess your point is valid [16:02] * micahg digs up the article [16:03] So, basically Chromium will have the API but not the binary blob to interface to? [16:03] right [16:03] :( [16:04] Do you think it would be viable (both legally and technically) extracting it from the Chrome installer? [16:04] http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2012/02/adobe-and-google-partnering-for-flash-player-on-linux.html [16:05] doubtful [16:06] What about Lightspark and Shumway then? [16:09] cousin_luigi: they'll continue to reverse engineer and try to keep up [16:10] but those projects (gnash as well) need distro and upstream people interested in driving development and rollout of these products [16:11] what we need is for flash to get hit by a bus and die entirely [16:12] My very personal hunch is that pay-per-view streaming sites will keep it alive, porn ones especially. [16:12] Oh yes, and dumb games.:) [16:13] "google chrome - for people who watch porn" :-) [16:15] if i were a conspiracy theorist, i would think that google would like to become the sole distributor of flash whilst it's still relevant, to give themselves a very big lever for the web, so that they can make everyone use chrome [16:15] but, i don't believe in conspiracy theories really ;) [16:16] of course, google aren't evil like that [16:16] so they say [16:16] Well, they would only have a lever on linux (2% of the desktop market) and Android. [16:16] I suspect Adobe wanted to get rid of the burden. [16:16] i mean, they did get rid of h.264 from chrome, like they said they would [16:16] oh, wait... [16:17] cousin_luigi, i'm pretty sure that adobe dropping linux is just the start ;) [16:17] * cousin_luigi goes fetch a tinfoil roll and passes around [16:17] i think it would be naive to think that they won't drop other platforms in the future [16:17] heh [16:18] yeah, i should put on my tinfoil hat really [16:18] Why would they? They're even planning to make more money from it. [16:18] The 9% tax or whatever is the official denomination. [16:19] cousin_luigi, well, i'm not sure what adobe's plans for flash are. but, they already killed mobile development, and now they've dropped linux [16:20] https://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/premium-features.html [16:21] Well, flash mobile=android pretty much. [16:21] And we're back at Google.:| [16:22] :) [16:31] * cousin_luigi wonders what's the legal status of https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=57249 [16:34] not sure. it seems that they do the same with the pdf plugin too [16:37] chrisccoulson: Do you think a PPA based on that would be a problem? [16:38] i'm not sure [16:39] cousin_luigi: you have to check the licensing, if it's not distributable, then yes, it's a problem [16:40] micahg: Even if it's the user itself downloading and extracting it? [16:41] cousin_luigi: https://help.launchpad.net/PPATermsofUse [16:42] someone had their PPA disabled recently for hosting the sun java packages ;) [16:43] micahg: I believe the script itself is GPL'd [16:43] micahg: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ch/chromium-pepper-flash/PKGBUILD [16:43] chrisccoulson: I hope it's not the webupd8 one for the oracle jdk7:/ [16:44] cousin_luigi: IANAL and refuse to comment further :) [16:44] micahg: Ok:) [16:44] micahg: Who do you think I should ask? [16:45] cousin_luigi: if there's a question of licensing in PPAs, #launchpad [16:45] micahg: ok, thanks [16:45] cousin_luigi: or file a requestnchpad at answers.launchpad.net/lau [16:45] *answers.launchpad.net/launchpad [16:51] You know what? I'll petition the webupd8 team and have them risk their $NETHER_REGIONS. :) [16:55] i think that the oracle downloader one is probably ok. if it wasn't, then it's likely that it would have disappeared already ;) [16:57] of course, IANAL either. perhaps nobody spotted that PPA before :) [17:43] woah, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17589298 [17:44] i bet that guy needed some new underwear after that [17:50] How come he had a camera following him?