[10:17] <dsfsd> Hi
[10:17] <dsfsd> Can my ban be lifted now please?
[10:17] <dsfsd> from #ubuntu
[10:17] <dsfsd> It's been over 7 days
[10:18] <ikonia> hello
[10:18] <ikonia> why where you banned ?
[10:18] <dsfsd> Moaning about unity
[10:18] <dsfsd> and using !ops
[10:18] <dsfsd> to moan about unity to the ops
[10:18] <ikonia> why did you do that ?
[10:18] <dsfsd> I've already had this discussion
[10:18] <dsfsd> with two other ops
[10:18] <ikonia> well, now have it with me
[10:19] <dsfsd> I was told to come back in a week
[10:19] <ikonia> I can see you did it for two days on the run
[10:19] <dsfsd> it's been more than a week now
[10:19] <ikonia> so you had multiple warnings and multiple chances to stop, yet you kept doing it
[10:19] <ikonia> why ?
[10:19] <dsfsd> Don't know why
[10:19] <dsfsd> but
[10:19] <dsfsd> I was told to come back in a week
[10:19] <dsfsd> which I have done
[10:19] <dsfsd> I haven't evaded my ban or anything
[10:19] <ikonia> yes, now you are back and we are discussing it
[10:19] <dsfsd> I want to be legit
[10:19] <dsfsd> It's was a stupid move
[10:19] <dsfsd> I get that
[10:19] <dsfsd> *it was
[10:20] <ikonia> you also sent stupid private messages to users,
[10:20] <ikonia> and pretty offensive things
[10:20] <dsfsd> so we're saying perma ban?
[10:20] <dsfsd> I was not told this last week
[10:20] <ikonia> no
[10:20] <ikonia> I'm asking you what's going on, why you are doing this ?
[10:20] <dsfsd> I'm not
[10:20] <dsfsd> I was
[10:20] <dsfsd> not anymoe
[10:21] <ikonia> it's not just a slip up, you've made a consious effort to cause a problem in the channel, be rude and abusive to people and send vulgar private messages to people
[10:21] <dsfsd> FOr which I am sorry
[10:21] <dsfsd> hence coming back after over a week
[10:21] <dsfsd> without causing any other trouble
[10:21] <ikonia> ok, I appreciate you are sorry
[10:21] <ikonia> but why did you do it ?
[10:21] <dsfsd> I wish I could explain
[10:21] <dsfsd> But I cannot
[10:21] <ikonia> I'd appreciate you trying
[10:22] <dsfsd> I don't know why you want me to lie to you
[10:22] <dsfsd> Why does anyone do anything?
[10:22] <ikonia> I don't want you to lie to me
[10:22] <ikonia> but people don't just do what you just did for no reason
[10:22] <dsfsd> yes they do
[10:22] <dsfsd> people troll all the time
[10:22] <dsfsd> for no reason
[10:22] <ikonia> ok, so why should I let you back in to potentially do it again ?
[10:22] <ikonia> if you are doing it for no reason, you may well do it again for no reason
[10:22] <dsfsd> Because I've done what was asked of me
[10:22] <dsfsd> I went away for a period of tie
[10:22] <dsfsd> *time
[10:22] <Myrtti> see, people are lazy, and if they don't have a reason, they don't do it
[10:23] <Myrtti> so you must have had some reason, boredom, anger, something, or you would have not done it
[10:23] <dsfsd> I guess all three maybe played a part
[10:23] <dsfsd> I don't know
[10:23] <dsfsd> but what I do knwo is
[10:23] <dsfsd> remorse
[10:23] <dsfsd> I went away for over a week as requested
[10:23] <ikonia> ok, I'll give it a shot, I'll remove the ban
[10:23] <dsfsd> Thanks you
[10:23] <ikonia> be very aware, no further issues will be tollerated in the slightest
[10:24] <ikonia> ok, the bans been removed, you can join #ubuntu
[10:25] <ikonia> dsfsd: you can now leave this channel
[11:48] <ikonia> needsupport: hi, thanks for joining
[11:49] <ikonia> mydogsnameisrudy: do you need something ?
[11:49] <needsupport> i talked with heartsmagic ( ubuntu turkeys author... or firstman )
[11:49] <ikonia> needsupport: ok - wait a moment
[11:49] <ikonia> needsupport: I need to make something clear to you
[11:49] <needsupport> he saying lie... he trying lie politics
[11:50] <ikonia> needsupport: 1.) #ubuntu is not a channel for you to complain about ubuntu-tr. It is a technical support channel. Do you understand that yes/no
[11:50] <needsupport> where i can talk for localized support(?) web site problems
[11:50] <needsupport> who is chairman _
[11:50] <needsupport> ?
[11:50] <ikonia> needsupport: no - please respond
[11:50] <needsupport> yes
[11:51] <needsupport> who is directing localized teams ?
[11:51] <ikonia> needsupport: do you understand that #ubuntu is not for you to complain about Ubuntu-tr ?
[11:51] <needsupport> ok
[11:52] <ikonia> needsupport: so you will not join #ubuntu again and start complaining about ubuntu-tr yes/no
[11:54] <elky> needsupport, talk to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil about ubuntu-tr. #ubuntu is for technical support only. Ok?
[11:57] <pangolin> that went as well as expected
[11:57] <ikonia> he'll be back later
[11:57] <ikonia> from what I can gather he's a troll, who trolled too often and got banned
[11:58] <ikonia> (from the forum)
[12:03] <elky> heh
 sacarlson: I wouldn't use the Google DNS server, you become part of their botnet
[14:30] <bazhang> what?
[14:34] <bazhang> he's just telling lies afaict
[14:34] <ZarroBoogs> bazhang: spreadking FUD about chromium too.
[14:34] <bazhang> ZarroBoogs, aha
[14:47] <bazhang> there were some others
[14:47] <bazhang> thanks mneptok
[14:47] <mneptok> krod2389: do you have any meaningful input for the channel?
[14:47] <mneptok> (we can try this again)
[14:49] <krod2389> Hello
[14:49] <krod2389> I had already been assisting noobs earlier
[14:49] <krod2389> That should be clear
[14:49] <mneptok> and?
[14:49] <krod2389> and what?
[14:49] <mneptok> what does helping a couple people have to do with repeated offtopic non-sequiturs?
[14:50] <krod2389> Keep up... you asked "do you have any meaningful input for the channel?".
[14:50] <krod2389> Helping people == meaningful input
[14:50] <mneptok> OK, so try this.
[14:50] <mneptok> go to a very fancy restaurant.
[14:50] <mneptok> buy a $500 dinner.
[14:50] <krod2389> Which one?
[14:51] <mneptok> then remove your pants and run around screaming.
[14:51] <mneptok> see if, " but i SPENT MONEY!" helps you.
[14:51] <krod2389> A better analogy would be going to a restaurant, doing their washing up for free, *then* removing your pants, but I see your point
[14:51] <mneptok> now, you can be helpful and on-topic in #ubuntu, or not.
[14:51] <mneptok> up to you.
[14:52] <krod2389> Most definitely
[14:52] <mneptok> banned? or on-topic? which do you choose?
[14:53] <krod2389> I shall rigorously stick to the prescribed topics from now on
[14:53] <mneptok> !coc
[14:53] <mneptok> !guidelines
[14:53] <mneptok> read those, if you please.
[14:54] <krod2389> I've seen it before
[14:54] <mneptok> so you'll adhere to those guidelines?
[14:54] <krod2389> Yes
[14:55] <mneptok> because if not, you will be banned again. and then it will not so easily be removed by just a promise.
[14:55] <krod2389> *scary music*
[14:55] <mneptok> 'zackly.
[14:55] <krod2389> Ok, understood
[14:55] <mneptok> smashing.
[14:55] <mneptok> you repeat "dunh dunh DUUUUUUNNNNNNHHHHH" to yourself while i unban you
[14:56] <mneptok> you can stop repeating, and try to re /join
[14:57] <krod2389> Already done, thanks
[14:57] <mneptok> remember that scary music.
[15:08] <bazhang> * Pseudoephedrine (~pseudo@1.148.94.46) has left #ubuntu
[15:08] <bazhang> forward?
[15:10] <ZarroBoogs> go for it
[15:16]  * mneptok points krod2389 at this channel's /topic
[15:17] <krod2389> Was just looking at the list of ops so I know who not to offend in future
[15:17] <mneptok> try not offending anyone?
[15:17] <ZarroBoogs> I guess asking them not to offend anyone is too much to ask for?
[15:18] <bazhang> ZarroBoogs, that look okay?
[15:18] <bazhang>  *!*@1.148.94.46$#ubuntu-ops
[15:40] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu dekatch cursing , then quit
[15:47] <bazhang> is firestarter still actively developed and maintained? I thought ufw was the way to go
[15:50] <ikonia> firestarter is a different product, nothing to do with ubuntu
[15:50] <ikonia> so it's still active
[15:52] <mneptok> latest stable release is 2005. development discontinued. - wpedia
[15:54] <ZarroBoogs> aye. I thought that was why we dropped it too.
[15:54] <ikonia> really, so it's totally dead now ?
[15:55] <ikonia> http://www.fs-security.com/docs.php
[15:55] <ikonia> documentation was updated in 2010
[15:57] <ikonia> 1.03 is still 2005 though which is latest stable build
[15:58] <bazhang> wonder why remotectrl is recommending it in #ubuntu
[15:58] <ikonia> its still in the repos
[15:58] <ikonia> some people like it
[15:58] <bazhang> ok
[15:58] <ikonia> I hate it, I think it's a bad tool
[15:58] <ikonia> !info firestarter
[15:58] <bazhang> I recall from years ago guarddog and firestarter
[16:09] <popey> it also has a useful internet sharing feature that I've not seen done as easily elsewhere
[16:11] <ikonia> popey: that seems to be what most of the positive reviews on the web are for
[16:13] <popey> if someone else made an "internet connection sharing" app, I'm sure people would use it
[16:18] <Daskreech> Hello
[16:18] <bazhang> hi
[16:18] <Daskreech> requesting the two factoids for Kubuntu and kde be updated
[16:20] <ikonia> from what to what ?
[16:20] <ikonia> which factoids ?
[16:21] <ikonia> oh, I see them
[16:21] <ikonia> !kde
[16:21] <Daskreech> and kubuntu
[16:21] <ikonia> the !kde one is fine as it is from what I can see
[16:21] <ikonia> !kubuntu
[16:22] <ikonia> I don't see anything wrong with what's thre
[16:22] <ikonia> there
[16:22] <Daskreech> Riddel asked for it to be updated
[16:22] <Daskreech> I'm just checking if he wants making or makeing for the update for !kde :)
[16:22] <ikonia> he asked for it to be improved
[16:22] <ikonia> well, he said "we can improve that factoid"
[16:23] <ikonia> I don't see a problem with what's there
[16:23] <Daskreech> ikonia: And he gave me the improvements
[16:23] <Daskreech> ikonia: can you see a problem with the improvements?
[16:24] <ikonia> no, but I see no reason to change them
[16:24] <ikonia> I'll just leave it as it is
[16:25] <Myrtti> I can see the text is different but I can't see any huge improvement, could you explain the reasoning, Daskreech?
[16:26] <tsimpson> I'd rather not see "flavour" in there, and I'd remove the "beautiful" as I don't think it's appropriate to store an opinion on a subjective thing like UI design in the bot
[16:26] <LjL> if i were on wikipedia... yes, exactly
[16:26] <LjL> i'm not on wikipedia, so weasel words might be ok, but i still don't find them so :P
[16:28] <Riddell> hi, Daskreech is wanting to update the factoids for Kubuntu and KDE to fix various innaccuracies in them, why can't he do so?
[16:29] <tsimpson> Riddell: we were discussing it just before you joined
[16:29] <ikonia> Riddell: he said you gave him the words, so it maybe better if you just say what you want
[16:30] <tsimpson> Riddell: I was just commenting that I'm not sure on the word "flavour" referring to Kubuntu, I'd like to hear your opinion on that
[16:31] <Riddell> tsimpson: flavour is the correct word as agreed by skeat and the release team
[16:31] <maco> one point on changing it is that KDE does refer nowadays to the community. the software made by KDE has its own names, and the collective bundle of the main software is the "KDE Sofware Collection"
[16:31] <tsimpson> and I don't really like the "beautiful" word in there, as it's an option, and we like to keep everything as neutral as possible in the bot
[16:31] <Riddell> get rid of it then
[16:32] <tsimpson> Riddell: I was waiting to hear what Daskreech's view was before I did anything
[16:32] <Riddell> maco: KDE SC isn't a useful term for end users, it's just a product of the release process
[16:33] <maco> Riddell: yeah...but "KDE is the community that makes the software used in Kubuntu, such as the Plasma desktop"
[16:34] <Riddell> maco: that's fine
[16:37] <Riddell> tsimpson: so can we update them?
[16:39] <Daskreech> tsimpson: I don't have a problem with dropping the beuatiful either
[16:39] <Daskreech> eye of the beholder and all that
[16:39] <tsimpson> !no kubuntu is <reply> Kubuntu is the Ubuntu flavour using KDE Software and the KDE Plasma Workspaces.  See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support join  #kubuntu - See also !kde
[16:40] <tsimpson> !no kde is <reply> KDE (http://kde.org) is an open community that creates and maintains software including the Plasma desktop.  To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install  kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . See  http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[16:40] <tsimpson> that should do it, anything else you can see that needs changing?
[16:41] <Daskreech> thank you :)
[16:41] <Daskreech> Re-reading
[16:41] <tsimpson> !kubuntu
[16:41] <tsimpson> !kde
[16:41] <tsimpson> (just so we can see what the bot will actually show)
[16:42] <Daskreech> Riddell: Looks good to me
[16:43] <Riddell> lovely thanks
[16:44] <Daskreech> Thanks all :)
[16:44] <tsimpson> no problem Daskreech :)
[17:00] <Matrixiumn> Oop
[17:00] <Matrixiumn> *Oops
[17:03] <bazhang> got dekatch in PM after his cursing and quit (ie when he rejoined)
[18:19] <bazhang> classroom is lars?
[18:20] <bazhang> same help me! without actually asking aquestion
[18:20] <bazhang> augh
[18:20] <Myrtti> possibly, but not positively
[18:20] <Staffpony> classroom was just slightly odd in #ubuntu-de (huge paste, of course horrible german) ... might want to have an eye on that
[18:21] <Myrtti> we are on it like hawks
[18:21]  * Myrtti huggles Staffpony 
[18:21] <Staffpony> thought so, that's why I joined :)  Haihai Myrtti   *huggles*
[18:21] <Myrtti> want some tea?
[18:21] <Staffpony> yes please, something with fruits if you have
[18:21] <bazhang> I just kicked someone on gateway the other day who was the exact same
[18:22] <bazhang> so he's ban evading at the least
[18:22] <ikonia> well, it maynot be Lars, Lars can't help himself to respond to "hi Lars" with "who is Lars?"
[18:23] <Staffpony> I am quite sure he is not Lars, his german is horrible.
[18:23] <Myrtti> English isn't any better
[18:25] <Myrtti> smells like a troll
[18:27] <Myrtti> acts like a troll
[18:28] <bazhang> 700gb iso
[18:28] <bazhang> that unity is getting bloated
[18:32] <mneptok> if coming to IRC with thinks evading, to fake that skills with language is simples.
[18:33] <bazhang> hehe
[18:38] <Staffpony> well, I just had to boot him off
[18:38] <Staffpony> in the german channel
[18:38] <Myrtti> mneptok: have you been to UK recently?
[18:38] <bazhang> already ban evading in #ubuntu
[18:39] <mneptok> Myrtti: not that i know of. but i have huge memory gaps. why?
[18:40] <Myrtti> mneptok: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ust9YBlEfY
[18:42] <mneptok> is explain the droppings with insurance card in envelope insides.
[18:43] <Myrtti> simples.
[18:47] <mneptok> Myrtti: am thinking. from now going i am mostly speak to you of this styles.
[18:47] <Myrtti> aaaa a resident of meerkovo.
[18:48] <mneptok> no. only is pronouncing "Meerkovo." spelled is "Mjrkvo"
[18:55] <Tm_T> pony?
[18:56] <Staffpony> yes?
[18:58] <Myrtti> we also have giraffes, unicorns and hedgehogs in staff.
[18:58] <Myrtti> I think I'm a ring seal myself.
[18:58] <Myrtti> arp arp.
[18:58] <Myrtti> syn syn.
[18:58]  * Staffpony hands Myrtti a ball
[18:58] <Staffpony> Myrtti: probably a snow seal currently ;(
[19:04] <Tm_T> time to upload one pic from phone, I'd say
[19:04] <Staffpony> bleh
[19:04] <Staffpony> it was Lars
[19:04] <Staffpony> classroom, that is. He was also in some debian channels
[19:06] <bazhang> thanks Staffpony
[19:07] <Staffpony> You're welcome
[19:24] <StaffRingSeal> arp arp
[19:26] <Staffpony> <3
[20:47] <Jordan_U> popey: RE: Easy internet sharing see network-manager: http://magazine.redhat.com/2008/10/16/video-fedora-10-connection-sharing/
[20:49] <popey> Jordan_U: that only fulfils one use case
[20:50] <Jordan_U> popey: What other use cases should it fulfil?
[20:51] <popey> sharing the other way, wireless to wired, and wired to wired
[20:51] <Jordan_U> popey: Network-manager supports this. You simply set the interface you want to share to as "Shared".
[20:52] <Jordan_U> I've done it all ways except wired to wired.
[20:52] <popey> where?
[20:52] <Jordan_U> popey: nm-connection-editor
[20:53] <popey> yup, i see no 'Shared' options
[20:54] <StaffRingedSeal> I've shared connection with Network-Manager
[20:54] <popey> where?
[20:54] <StaffRingedSeal> go into ipv4 settings and change dhcp/static to shared
[20:55] <popey> aha!
[20:55] <Jordan_U> http://jordanu.dyndns.org/tmp/Screenshot%20from%202012-04-02%2013:54:36.png
[20:55]  * popey will have a play with that thanks
[20:55] <StaffRingedSeal> it was great when we were playing with nanode
[20:55] <Jordan_U> popey: You're welcome.
[20:57] <StaffRingedSeal> ♥
[20:57] <StaffRingedSeal> arp arp.