[07:18] <DJones> Morning all
[07:33] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:52] <AlanBell> morning
[07:58] <daubers> Morning
[08:02] <JamesTait> Goooooood mooooornin' intarwebz!
[08:04] <hank3three3> I was trying to increase the workspaces, and couldnt find out how to do it anywhere, and ended up only being able to do it via the terminal....how come? What is missing......
[08:05] <BigRedS> hank3three3: is this in Unity?
[08:06] <BigRedS> You need to use ccsm which is for some reason not installed by default.
[08:06] <hank3three3> yes, sorry, too early in the morning
[08:06] <BigRedS> apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager I think
[08:06] <hank3three3> ah, I wondered why I couldnt find it
[08:06] <BigRedS> it's a bit easy to break Unity with it, but it's also the only way to configure it
[08:06] <hank3three3> ok, will see if I can do that
[08:09] <hank3three3> well the command worked, thanks for the heads up on breaking unity with it, if I remember its in general and one of the tabs so I wont be doing anything else with it, just finished installing
[08:10] <Myrtti> oh man
[08:11] <Myrtti> I wish there was a bit better way of telling if I'm in Launchpad trying to file a duplicate bug than trying to remember all I can from apport window and comparing it with the other similar results
[08:11] <hank3three3> yep, I was right, but wont go in there unless I really have to again, thanks for the help.
[08:13] <Myrtti> also, I swear I sent the chromium window to another workspace, not close the whole thing
[08:13] <BigRedS> hank3three3: yeah, no worries! I think there's a way to reset everythin in that to dfaults from the command line if you do manage to break it :)
[08:14] <czajkowski> GOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING!!!
[08:14] <Myrtti> oh well, I didn't want to file that bug report anyway
[08:14] <hank3three3> I am getting quite used ti Unity, but I have installed via Synaptic xubuntu, and that looks really good too.......but I update everything using Unity 12.04 and its been pretty stable since I installed it, had a few bugs, but nothing serious
[08:17] <sagaci> hank3three3, same experience throughout most of this release
[08:23] <hank3three3> Think this will be a good release as far as it not being buggy.....well impressed
[08:42] <bigcalm> Good morning sleepy peeps :)
[08:43] <bigcalm> Or is that me
[08:43] <popey> Morning!
[08:44] <bigcalm> Yes, it's just me
[08:44]  * bigcalm tickles popey
[08:51] <sagaci> popey, in the top bar where it shows the program name, are you getting a weird visual defect on the first character?
[08:52] <popey> sagaci: no, screenshot?
[08:54] <sagaci> I would but the screenshot app is crashing
[08:54] <sagaci> :)
[08:58] <sagaci> you'd be able to notice it, the first character is a pixel or two extra wide on the left
[08:58] <bigcalm> sagaci: maybe more coffee is needed
[08:59] <bigcalm> I know I need more
[08:59] <gord> bigcalm, do we have a thingy this thursday or is it next thursday?
[08:59] <bigcalm> gord: thingy is this Thursday
[08:59] <popey> sagaci: shutter is a lovely screenshot app
[08:59] <gord> cool, will book a ticket
[09:00] <sagaci> wouldn't be a bad idea to dock a screenshot app to the dev releases temporarily
[09:01] <bigcalm> gord: a thingy being the workplace day. The happy hour/pre-release party is the following fortnight (19th)
[09:05] <gord> oh cool, four day weekend this weekend
[09:06] <Myrtti> same difference to me... *sigh*
[09:06] <bigcalm> gord: this week and next :D
[09:07] <Myrtti> apart from I need to go visit my sister and go say happy birthday to mum as well
[09:07] <gord> bigcalm, next?
[09:07] <bigcalm> gord: Good Friday and Easter Monday are bank holidays
[09:07] <Myrtti> bigcalm: yes but next week?
[09:07] <Myrtti> is it queenie holiday?
[09:08] <gord> bigcalm, yeah, hence the "four day" weekend ;)
[09:08] <sagaci> popey, the last two comments of bug 957868
[09:08] <bigcalm> Oh, sorry, missread as four day week
[09:08] <gord> awesome queenie holiday is june
[09:08] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I forgot about that, think it's later though
[09:08] <MooDoo> gord: thought the four day weekend was just generic bank hols?
[09:09] <Myrtti> my sister got engaged on Leap Day as well, she has her party on Saturday. I still don't know what to get her as a present... was thinking of Ticket to Ride
[09:10] <popey> ooer sagaci, no i dont see that
[09:14] <gord> found the best gif file on the internet http://i.imgur.com/QyM8v.gif
[09:15] <popey> awww
[09:37] <awilkins> Hmm. The Ubuntu website needs to drop the April Fool from the frontpage, methinks. Although I was rooting for it to be true.
[09:38] <awilkins> So... now it's 12.04 ... when's Precise out?  <ducks>
[09:39] <bigcalm> 26th
[09:39] <gord> we're doing a final unity release this week
[09:39] <bigcalm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin
[09:40] <awilkins> Shiny
[09:42] <popey> s/this/next/
[09:43] <gord> we as in, me and my team ;) not ubuntu
[09:43] <popey> :D
[09:45] <gord> should probably close this dog gif now
[09:45] <gord> don't really have the heart
[09:46] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:46] <czajkowski> awilkins: always the end of the month, except 10.10.10
[09:48] <kaushal_> Hi
[09:48] <kaushal_> I am ssh to a remote server using my office lan connection, i also do have a wifi connection
[09:49] <kaushal_> when i unplug from wired , is there a way to maintain the ssh session when my laptop establishes wifi ?
[09:50] <directhex> not unless your office DHCP server is configured to assign the same IP address on both wired & wireless
[09:50] <kaushal_> ok
[09:50] <kaushal_> directhex: makes sense
[09:51] <kaushal_> directhex: any way to restart the ssh session on client side ?
[09:51] <kaushal_> i mean automatically
[09:55] <BigRedS> while [ 1 ]; do ssh host; done
[09:55] <BigRedS> is a bodgy way of doing it
[09:56] <bigcalm> Eugh
[09:56] <BigRedS> not exactly sure how you'd get out of that, though
[09:56] <webpigeo1> Don't put that in your bashrc :/
[09:56] <BigRedS> hah, no
[09:56] <bigcalm> Don't put that anywhere near any machine ever
[09:56] <BigRedS> it's not that bad!
[09:57] <BigRedS> you could just kill it from a different termina
[09:57] <BigRedS> l
[09:57] <bigcalm> Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure
[09:57] <kaushal_> bigcalm: how about autossh ?
[09:58]  * bigcalm shrugs :)
[09:58] <bigcalm> I'm not really in this convo :)
[09:58] <webpigeon> kaushal_: ooo, that looks shiny
[09:58] <directhex> i'm not really here. i'm a ghost. wooooooo!
[09:58]  * popey jumps
[09:59] <kaushal_> :)
[09:59] <webpigeon> and it's packaged in ubuntu
[10:00] <webpigeon> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/autossh || http://www.harding.motd.ca/autossh/
[10:01] <popey> kaushal_: why not just stay on wifi?
[10:01] <davmor2> morning all
[10:01]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski a happy Monday
[10:01] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:01] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:01] <davmor2> morning MooDoo nice pics over the weekend by the way what software were you playing with?
[10:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: morning dude no ics then
[10:02] <czajkowski> davmor2: good morning sir
[10:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: see that just sounds wrong ;)
[10:19] <bigcalm> davmor2: indeed, no ICS. It would nice to know what their intentions are
[10:19] <davmor2> bigcalm: ask them the email address is on their website
[10:20] <bigcalm> That requires effort. Maybe later
[10:20] <Dave2> ICS :(
[10:21] <Laney> internet connection sharing
[10:21] <Dave2> I did spend ages metnally associating it with that
[10:21] <Dave2> mentally
[10:22] <bigcalm> Met Nally sounds like a fun person
[10:22] <Dave2> quite
[10:22] <Dave2> I met nally
[10:22] <bigcalm> In an ally?
[10:23] <Dave2> an a11y
[10:24] <bigcalm> Cat over the road is meowing at passing cars. I guess she thinks they are going to feed her
[10:24] <davmor2> Dave2: why U tally men
[10:24] <bigcalm> Poor kitty
[10:25] <bigcalm> Now I want a banana
[10:28] <jonathonf> hallo
[10:29] <jonathonf> what's the current best screen recorder?
[10:29] <jonathonf> (i.e. what is popey using at the minute?)
[10:29] <bigcalm> Haha
[10:29] <bigcalm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/RecordingScreencasts
[10:30] <davmor2> jonathonf: record my desktop is the one I use seems fine but popey may counter that argument
[10:30] <jonathonf> thanks both; i'll give it a go
[10:30] <DJones> I thought the best screen recorder _was_ popey  :)
[10:30] <jonathonf> have a rather charming unity2d bug :D
[10:30] <jonathonf> lol
[10:32] <jonathonf> huh... well recordmydesktop makes my desktop slow to a crawl... can't click or type
[10:34] <davmor2> jonathonf: I think a lot of people are using kazaam
[10:36] <jonathonf> right, i'll try that now :)
[10:37] <jonathonf> that works better
[10:37] <popey> kazam
[10:37] <popey> kazam is under active development, which none of the others are
[10:37] <popey> and the developer is a lovely chap who hangs out in #kazam
[10:38] <popey> (BigWhale on irc)
[10:38] <jonathonf> arg... recording makes everything hang... does it need hardware acceleration?
[10:39] <popey> no
[10:42] <jonathonf>  hmm... wonder if it's because it's running unity2d in fallback (fglrx doesn't work with 3.4-rc1)
[10:42] <jonathonf> reboot may be in order
[10:42] <jonathonf> thanks all
[10:51] <jonathonf> great - rebooted, kazam works without killing my desktop, and now the bug doesn't happen :(
[10:52] <bigcalm> Maybe that's how you fix the bug
[10:52] <jonathonf> :)
[11:03] <piffer111> Hi.  I'm trying to get rid of a nasty package that has screwed up apt/dpkg
[11:03] <piffer111> Can someone tell me where the list of packages is held, so that I can delete the package manually
[11:03] <piffer111> I've tried everything else
[11:05] <davmor2> piffer111: no you don't delete a package like that,  what is the issue
[11:05] <piffer111> davmor2: I fear that I now do.
[11:05] <piffer111> davmor2: When I try to apt-get remove the package, it hangs
[11:06] <piffer111> davmor2: It was looking for python 2.5, so I installed python 2.5, and then there was a script error
[11:06] <piffer111> davmore2: In any case, I've deleted all the files of the package by hand
[11:06] <piffer111> davmor2: So now I just have to tell apt to completely ignore the package.  I tried everything - remove, purge...
[11:06] <piffer111> davmor2: I tried apt-get clean, autoclean
[11:07] <piffer111> I see the packages in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[11:07] <piffer111> Can I just delete the files which refer to the package>
[11:07] <piffer111> ?
[11:10] <popey> erk, that sounds drastic
[11:11] <piffer111> It totally screwed up my system
[11:11] <piffer111> It was the only package that has ever done that
[11:11] <piffer111> It was python-orange
[11:11] <piffer111>    8349 Package: python-orange
[11:11] <piffer111>    8350 Status: purge ok half-configured
[11:13] <directhex> piffer111, try removing /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-orange.post* and /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-orange.pre*
[11:13] <piffer111> direct: Yep.  That's what I just did.
[11:13] <piffer111> Thank you.  :)
[11:13] <directhex> then remove it via apt-get remove --purge python-orange
[11:16] <piffer111> OK, looks like I totally nuked that dirty package from my syste,
[11:16] <piffer111> m
[11:16] <piffer111> thanks y'all   :)
[12:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Chris Oattes] Easier connectors for RGB strips - http://www.cjo20.net/blog/?p=94
[12:34] <diplo> Afternoon all
[12:38] <MooDoo> howdy
[12:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: hmmmmmmmm bacon sarnie for lunch
[12:50] <Myrtti> wohey, my package has been packaged and I might even get it before Thursday! \o/
[12:57] <brobostigon> \o/
[13:00] <popey> \o/ my fixed ipad is due for delivery on my birthday \o/
[13:00] <directhex> i did not receive mass effect 3 for my birthday :(
[13:04] <awilkins> back to screen recording : what about VLC using screen://  ?
[13:05]  * popey stil recommends kazam
[13:05] <popey> http://youtube.com/user/popeydc <- all of those made with kazam
[13:05] <popey> and instantly uploaded to youtube. just worked
[13:06] <awilkins> I still think recording an RDP stream would be ace
[13:06] <awilkins> Low bandwidth, super nice output
[13:06] <awilkins> Maybe you could do the same for NX
[13:09]  * awilkins awilkins rages at the git who has packed these zip archives into another zip archive
[13:18] <diplo> Anyone here run Xerox Lasers @ work ?
[13:18] <diplo> Not a cups man, but having some issues with Xeroxs wanting more memory from print jobs
[13:18] <diplo> Google not helping much so far
[13:19] <awilkins> Strangely, the thing that makes me want Precise the most is now the new DNS stuff
[13:19] <diplo> Or a way of checking how much data cups is sending
[13:41] <BigRedS> new dns stuff?
[13:42] <brobostigon> !info resolvconf precise
[13:51] <BigRedS> yeah, but what's changed?
[13:52] <brobostigon> i dont know, myself, sorry.
[13:54] <DJones> BigRedS: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/changelog.html Maybe the bottom of that page answers that
[14:19] <bigcalm> popey: I selected sheriff but it thinks I picked clay. Have fun with that
[14:19] <popey> do wot?
[14:19] <bigcalm> Draw Something
[14:19] <popey> ahh
[14:20] <bigcalm> Sheesh, can't you read minds or something?
[14:20] <popey> hah
[14:25] <BigRedS> haha
[14:38] <oimon> played draw something or a day and got annoyed at the people who cheat and the number of "words" that aren't really words but supposedly famous people in the USA
[14:40] <popey> yeah, annoys me too
[14:40] <popey> have you seen http://drawception.com/ ?
[14:41] <oimon> great idea
[14:42] <oimon> twitter login failed :(
[14:42] <oimon> aha i'm in
[14:42] <oimon> what's a "blue, red and lila tmnt holding a big banana"
[14:42] <popey> teenage mutant ninja turtle
[14:53] <Myrtti> drawception is great
[14:53] <Myrtti> fortunately I have a Wacom I can hook into my machine
[14:53] <Myrtti> helps a bit
[14:57] <Myrtti> http://drawception.com/viewgame/XN1LZx59eM/its-a-nice-sunset-but-youd-rather-dance/
[15:03] <oimon> none of my games have ended yet :)
[15:03] <oimon> :(
[15:08] <oimon> the guy/girl who drew the last frame of http://drawception.com/viewgame/ZODEsT1ym7/sonic-rainboom/ is excellent
[15:14] <popey> davmor2 / czajkowski skype on 12.04. Click the indicator thing. does it flicker for you?
[15:15] <davmor2> popey: yeap very brief redraw it look like right?
[15:15] <popey> yes
[15:15] <popey> now, where does that need to be filed!?
[15:16] <popey> against skype itself?
[15:16] <davmor2> gord: ^ I'm assuming this is an indicator issue of some sort right?
[15:16] <popey> no other indicators do it
[15:17] <popey> it's the application that paints it isn't it?
[15:17] <davmor2> popey: no idea
[15:17] <gord> do skype have their own indicator now?
[15:17] <gord> or is it systray
[15:17] <popey> yeah
[15:17] <popey> oh, dunno
[15:17] <popey> how does one tell?
[15:18] <davmor2> gord: pass is there a way to tell and popey beat me to it
[15:18] <AlanBell> gord: it is systray
[15:19] <davmor2> gord: are there any other systray using apps?
[15:19] <gord> not sure how to check in a good way, if its systray then its a skype issue
[15:19] <AlanBell> you have to whitelist it, or it might be a default whitelisted systray thing
[15:19] <AlanBell> matter of opinion
[15:20] <AlanBell> someone should write an indicator to contain all the systray icons
[15:20] <AlanBell> in fact that should have been the first indicator written
[15:21] <gord> thats not how indicators work
[15:22] <gord> indicators are a dbus protocol really, systray is an xwindow
[15:26] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPh-3c9TqUg
[15:35] <ali1234> there's a skype deb in the partner repo for precise now
[15:35] <ali1234> but i still can't install it from the dash
[15:36] <ali1234> also why back to two versions?
[15:36] <ali1234> there's a skype-bin too now
[15:36] <ali1234> or wait i see
[15:36] <ali1234> metapackages i guess
[15:36] <popey> skype-bin:i386 is what I'm running
[15:36] <popey> works okay
[15:36] <ali1234> yes
[15:37] <ali1234> for a couple of weeks now i got no skype indicator at all btw
[15:37] <ali1234> but i did a fresh install since then, testing it now
[15:39] <ali1234> still no indicator for me
[15:40] <ali1234> and then it crashed
[15:40] <bigcalm> I am looking forward to giving my laptop 12.04 and the SSD
[15:40] <bigcalm> Actually, if skype is working, it might be ready now
[15:40] <ali1234> then i tried to report the bug and got "The report belongs to a package that is not installed."
[15:42]  * bigcalm sucks down the daily :)
[15:43] <ali1234> skype has always worked
[15:43] <ali1234> it actually works slightly less now than it did two weeks ago
[15:43] <bigcalm> Skype has not always worked for me in 12.04
[15:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'd do a fresh install though dude
[15:43] <bigcalm> davmor2: will do
[15:44] <bigcalm> davmor2: not sure if can go to the lug this week. I _really_ need to get work done on Thursday
[15:44] <davmor2> ali1234: it only landed in precise this morning
[15:44] <ali1234> the deb file is marked march 30th
[15:44] <ali1234> also it is exactly the same as the oneiric deb
[15:45] <ali1234> and all the others
[15:45] <ali1234> if you upgraded from oneiric you kept skype installed, and it worked
[15:45] <ali1234> you could also install the old deb with dpkg
[15:46] <davmor2> ali1234: it's not the same as the oneiric one it is a freshly package i386 multiarch supporting version now, how exactly is it the same?
[15:47] <popey> same software, different package
[15:47] <davmor2> popey: ah that makes sense
[15:47] <ali1234> well firstly the oneiric package was multiarch too
[15:47] <ali1234> secondly, the skype binary hasn't changed since lucid
[15:48] <davmor2> ali1234: nope it wasn't there were 32 and 64bit versions
[15:48] <ali1234> wrong
[15:48] <ali1234> there has never been a 64 bit ckype binary for linux
[15:48] <ali1234> the 64 bit package only exists in pre-multiarch distros, because its the only way to install a 32 bit binary with dependencies on 32 bit libs
[15:49] <davmor2> ali1234: I work on the team dealing with it,  trust me I know there was a 32bit version and then a 32bit app with a 64bit wrapper,  this is the first time it has been purely 32bit multiarch
[15:50] <ali1234> jeez, no wonder it doesn't work :/
[15:50] <ali1234> so tell me, how did oneiric 64 bit manage to work, if skype was not previously multiarch?
[15:50] <ali1234> considering that there is *only* a 32 bit package?
[15:52] <davmor2> ali1234: the 64bit version was the 32bit app with the 32bit libs installed + redirects for the app to use those libs instead of the 64bit ones not pretty
[15:53] <ali1234> that's pretty much the exact definition of multiarch
[15:54] <davmor2> ali1234: no multiarch can use any libs 64bit or 32bit on the same system no brute forcing
[15:54] <ali1234> yeah, exactly like skype did on oneiric
[15:56] <ali1234> http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/s/skype/skype_2.2.0.35-0oneiric2_i386.deb
[15:56] <ali1234> dependencies: Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.24.1), libc6 (>= 2.4), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libqt4-dbus (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-network (>= 4:4.5.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.5.3), libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.5.3), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1), libx11-6, libxext6, libxss1, libxv1
[15:56] <ali1234> there is NO other skype package for oneiric
[15:56] <ali1234> the only way to install that on 64 bit is by making use of multiarch libraries
[16:00] <ali1234> also, that package and the new skype-bin package contains exactly the same files, the only difference is the copyright file in /usr/share/doc was moved to represent the new package name
[16:04]  * MartijnVdS had a 2.1GB "whoopsie" daemon running
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> Memory leaks--
[16:24]  * bigcalm eyes jockey-gtk. It was a problem the last time I tried to install the proprietary drivers for the laptop's ATI card
[16:26] <bigcalm> Humm, bug 804662
[16:30] <bigcalm> Who had the issue with the leading edge of some letters looking weird?
[16:30] <bigcalm> Getting that as well here
[16:37] <bigcalm> Maybe right now wasn't the best time to start downloading things
[16:38] <bigcalm> I was hoping that it being Easter break for schools, the load would be spread over the day
[16:39] <OmNomDeBonBon> bigcalm: what's your predo for the game tonight?
[16:39] <bigcalm> OmNomDeBonBon: what game?
[16:40] <OmNomDeBonBon> Utd - Rovers
[16:40] <OmNomDeBonBon> At Ewood Park.
[16:40] <bigcalm> OmNomDeBonBon: footballs is something I don't follow, so have no idea :)
[16:42] <bigcalm> I thought that skype was available to install via the software centre now?
[16:42] <OmNomDeBonBon> bigcalm there's probably a Sky Sports app you can download.
[16:43] <ali1234> not yet
[16:43] <popey> i installed it today from USC
[16:43] <bigcalm> OmNomDeBonBon: again, I don't follow football. So I really don't care :) Are you confusing my nick for somebody else's?
[16:44] <OmNomDeBonBon> Maybe, maybe.
[16:44] <ali1234> i tried to install it from the dash bookshelf thing, and no result were found
[16:45] <ali1234> still the same
[16:46] <ali1234> also not found in software center
[16:48] <bigcalm> openjdk isn't there either
[16:48] <bigcalm> How strange
[16:49] <jpds> bigcalm: skype is in partner.
[16:49] <bigcalm> jpds: yes, which I added but it's not showing up
[16:50] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ apt-cache policy skype-bin:i386
[16:50] <popey> skype-bin:i386:
[16:50] <popey>   Installed: 2.2.0.35-0precise2
[16:50] <popey>   Candidate: 2.2.0.35-0precise2
[16:50] <popey>   Version table:
[16:50] <popey>  *** 2.2.0.35-0precise2 0
[16:50] <popey>         500 http://archive.canonical.com/ precise/partner i386 Packages
[16:50] <popey>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[16:50] <popey> bah
[16:51] <bigcalm> apt-get install skype does something
[16:51] <bigcalm> Software Centre has no record of skype though
[16:51] <popey> sudo apt-get install skype-bin:i386
[16:52] <bigcalm> It's now showing up
[16:52] <bigcalm> Took some effort to get that to happen. Odd
[17:22] <Myrtti> http://drawception.com/viewgame/REWRTXn4YY/the-trex-is-a-gentleman-and-a-scholar/
[17:22] <Myrtti> *chuckle*
[17:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: USC used to do the syncing of repos before the app opened now it's all done once the app opens so there is lack when an app didn't exist now about 20-30 seconds
[17:47] <davmor2> s/lack/lag
[18:03] <kitsos> Hello I have a question! I am about to download Drupal and i cant understand this "To get started with Drupal, you'll need the Drupal base system files either as Drupal core or a pre-built distribution, as well as a web hosting provider."
[18:22] <ikonia> directhex: the eagle has landed
[18:22] <directhex> ikonia, ;o
[18:22] <directhex> ikonia, and i found a decent rum! a gift from the in-laws
[18:23] <ikonia> excellent, now we are getting somewhere
[18:23] <ikonia> a little dissapointed approx %50 of my order is missing with "sorry out of stock" written on the order form
[18:23] <ikonia> be nice if they could SORT THERE WEBSITE ORDER SYSTEM OUT !
[18:23] <ikonia> THEIR
[18:24] <ikonia> directhex: project "Koala" is also moving
[18:24] <directhex> ikonia, so, deciphering your photo... boylan's bottling co, new jersey?
[18:24] <ikonia> directhex: you've got one, yes !
[18:24] <ikonia> but can you work out the others.....
[18:24] <directhex> not enough data :(
[18:24] <ikonia> excellent
[18:24] <ikonia> then there will be a surprise at least
[18:25] <directhex> hah ;p
[18:25] <ikonia> your samples will be dispatched tomorrow
[18:25] <ikonia> I'd like a full review
[18:25] <ikonia> either that or 3 1 line good/bad
[18:26] <ikonia> I've just stocked my fridge with my %50 order for chilling and tasting
[18:26] <ikonia> just trying to decide on the appropriate food for such an occasion
[18:27] <directhex> ikonia, have you got a domain set up w/ wordpress, for these reviews? :p
[18:27] <ikonia> directhex: not for these reviews no, but I may set something up documenting my quest and subsitute and vendor failures
[18:27] <ikonia> for the other 3 like minded people who exist in the planet and would go this far
[18:28] <directhex> ikonia, it's the internet!
[18:28] <ikonia> setting up a domain now
[18:28] <directhex> ikonia, once you've got a cola blog, you can start contacting manufacturers for "review samples" :p
[18:28] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[18:29] <ikonia> I'm just going to use it to put presure on the one true vendor to return the product they should never have pulled
[18:29] <directhex> and yes i want publishing rights on this domain
[18:29] <ikonia> looking in my domain list to see if there is anything appropriate before purchasing
[18:30] <ikonia> purchasing
[18:31] <directhex> get a readeship, contact pepsico for an interview ;D
[18:31] <ikonia> it's on !
[18:32] <directhex> and red bull ag
[18:32] <directhex> it's genuinely interesting to me why there's not a big enough market, on paper, to support a premium cola product in the uk
[18:32] <directhex> other than fentiman's which is fake premium
[18:33] <directhex> blog success -> write a book ;)
[18:33] <ikonia> domain registered
[18:33] <ikonia> site active in t-minus 24 hours
[18:34] <popey> hahah
[18:34] <ikonia> you mock the quest ?
[18:34] <popey> which is the product you wish to be brought back?
[18:34] <popey> oh no
[18:34]  * popey is a cola fan
[18:34]  * jussi hi5s ikonia for being awesome
[18:34] <ali1234> http://www.wholeearthfoods.com/products/6
[18:34] <ikonia> popey: then a login for you is possible, join the quest
[18:35] <davmor2> what happens if you try and open shotwell on precise anyone?
[18:35] <popey> hmmm
[18:36] <popey> shotwell: error while loading shared libraries: libgexiv2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:36] <penguin42> davmor2: Opens here (although I'm in a KDE session)
[18:36] <jussi> davmor2: nothing :/
[18:36] <ali1234> davmor2: it opens, then ask me to import, then imports
[18:36] <ikonia> popey: 12.04 ?
[18:36] <popey> yes
[18:36] <jussi> davmor2: not even an error
[18:36] <ikonia> popey: someone had this problem yesterday
[18:36] <ikonia> libgexiv2.so.1 or something needs to be linked
[18:36] <ikonia> the 12.04 package changed the name so a link was missing
[18:37] <davmor2> popey: now check libgexiv2-0
[18:37] <jussi> ahh yes, from the terminal same as the others
[18:37] <davmor2> jussi: :D
[18:37] <popey> checkj what?
[18:37] <popey> *check
[18:37] <popey> its installed
[18:37] <davmor2> popey: that it is installed
[18:37] <directhex> ali1234, tried that stuff?
[18:37] <ali1234> yeah
[18:37] <ali1234> it's nicer than coke or pepsi :/
[18:38] <directhex> ikonia, check ali1234's link. the ingredients list makes me hopeful
[18:38] <ikonia> directhex: already bookmarked
[18:38] <bigcalm> Am I missing something or is openjdk not in sc on 12.04?
[18:38] <ikonia> although I am not holding high hopes at this time
[18:38] <popey> ii  openjdk-6-jdk  6b24-1.11.1-3u OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK)
[18:38] <popey> i have it installed bigcalm
[18:38]  * bigcalm prods sc
[18:39] <directhex> ali1234, we're starting a cola blog, due to the removal from the UK market of the last two widely distributed premium colas, Pepsi Raw and Red Bull Simply Cola. it'll be fun!
[18:39] <directhex> and for someone who was predicted to fail english gcse, i can write a pretty decent blog post :p
[18:40] <ikonia> directhex: I'm looking forward to your contribution
[18:40] <penguin42>  'decent blog post' - that's a contradiction isn't it?
[18:41] <ikonia> directhex: please find a way to do an ape reference
[18:41] <directhex> penguin42, there's a reason i take upwards of 5 hours on 1 post. quality matters!
[18:41] <ikonia> hunting for a base wordpress theme to have a hack on tomorrow.
[18:41] <ikonia> this will be fun
[18:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: is there a line at the bottom saying show technical apps?
[18:41] <directhex> ikonia, okay, i found a store stocking ali1234's cola. http://www.naturalcollection.com/shop/whole-earth-organic-sparkling-cola-by-whole-earth/
[18:42] <ikonia> excellent
[18:42] <directhex> ikonia, i'll order a few cans, and of the ubuntu cola, and ship out half to you for sampling. we want a wide base for reviews
[18:43] <popey> directhex: do they still do pepsi natural in the usa or was that stopped too?
[18:43] <bigcalm> And now openjdk appears in sc
[18:43] <directhex> popey, i don't know if it ever went national. i read about the test markets for it, but no further
[18:43] <bigcalm> davmor2: this lag is not productive
[18:43] <directhex> popey, natural has a slightly different recipe to raw, fwiw
[18:43] <popey> ah
[18:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: it shouldn't lag if you've opened it once
[18:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: I get it straight away
[18:45] <directhex> gift wrap your 90p cans of cola for only £3.95 each!
[18:45] <Myrtti> I bet whatever bug I was having in Unity-greeter it's been fixed since and I filed my bug report for nothing...
[18:45] <Myrtti> and I just should have upgraded the system
[18:45] <Myrtti> phooey
[18:45] <bigcalm> davmor2: fact remains that openjdk was not being returned in searches until after I closed and re-opened sc
[18:46] <bigcalm> Ooo, openjdk-7-jdk - do I do it or stick with 6?
[18:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: down the bottom of USC can you see where it says Hide 32 technical items or Show 32 technical items if you show them it's 5th in the list under openjdk 7's
[18:47] <penguin42> directhex: I'm not a cola liker, but there are a lot of food blogs; I follow 2 chocolate ones
[18:47] <bigcalm> davmor2: yes, but the technical items did not include openjdk at all
[18:47] <bigcalm> Until now
[18:47] <penguin42> directhex: Well actually, one chocolate and one  generic snack one (snackspot.org.uk)
[18:47] <davmor2> bigcalm: whay are you doing that is different from me then? ;)
[18:48] <directhex> penguin42, i blame coca cola and pepsi for the general public's antipathy towards cola as a drink
[18:48] <bigcalm> davmor2: Beats me :)
[18:49] <davmor2> bigcalm: I refute that I've not hit you once
[18:49] <bigcalm> :P
[18:52] <ikonia> FYI: I'm currently drinking wild cherry pepsi
[18:52] <Myrtti> aw, I don't have any May Day mead left
[18:52] <davmor2> ikonia: I bet the cherry's were wild being picked to be thrown in pepsi
[18:53] <directhex> davmor2, well the ribena ads show how much berries love being crushed & made into drinks
[18:53] <bigcalm> The ribena ad makes me not want to drink it. Full of gleefully suicidal berries
[18:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: too right, they should be manically depressed suicidal berries :D
[18:59] <bigcalm> directhex: is this the error you get with minecraft? http://paste.ubuntu.com/911894/
[18:59] <directhex> bigcalm, no, that looks like a basic arch mismatch JNI error
[19:00] <bigcalm> Maybe I should have installed v6 instead of v7
[19:03] <directhex> bigcalm, /home/iain/.minecraft/bin/natives/liblwjgl.so is 32-bit, /home/iain/.minecraft/bin/natives/liblwjgl64.so is 64-bit. question is why it's invoking the 32-bit lib
[19:03] <bigcalm> Odd
[19:03] <bigcalm> I called it from the cli with: java -jar minecraft.jar
[19:04] <directhex> bigcalm, i don't understand java JNI semantics - it's a black magic which i'm too sane to know about
[19:04] <bigcalm> :)
[19:05] <davmor2> directhex: if you'd of said insane I'd of agreed with you but sane that's a tricky one ;)
[19:06] <directhex> davmor2, JNI's unmitigated terribleness is one reason c# exists
[19:06] <davmor2> directhex: haha
[19:07] <bigcalm> Din dins!
[19:07] <ali1234> because someone said "there's no possible way you could make it worse than java" and someone else just had to prove them wrong?
[19:07] <popey> ☺
[19:15] <directhex> "Java's kinda great, but JNI smells like poo and wee, and swing looks like poo and wee on windows, so let's just make java with those tweaks and OMGWEREBEINGSUED"
[19:16] <ikonia> I'm now official excited
[19:39]  * bigcalm hugs the mountain
[19:41]  * penguin42 shakes it
[19:45] <popey> hehe
[19:52] <StaffRingedSeal> I just love /msg nickserv set property ♥
[19:57] <dogmatic69> Hi all
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> \o dogmatic69
[19:58] <bigcalm> popey: now watching all of the videos by Fall on Your Sword
[19:59] <dogmatic69> Just got my second hand blade server off ebay. Installed ubuntu 11.10 server and all is fine till it rebooted. past POST the screen complains about the resolution or something
[19:59] <dogmatic69> anyone know if I need a fancy screen for these things? its a hp DL360 G4
[19:59] <bigcalm> EvilCowards LovePigs seems to have the male singer from Electric Six
[20:01]  * bigcalm pays attention to the description :)
[20:01] <StaffRingedSeal> I feel confused. I'm listening to Skrillex and it's actually ok.
[20:02] <Azelphur> nothing wrong with skrillex?
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> well, except for the "music"
[20:05]  * Azelphur stabs MartijnVdS :p
[20:05]  * MartijnVdS drops
[20:09] <ali1234> skrillex is actually rather generic pop music
[20:10] <ali1234> he just uses samples instead of distorted electric guitar
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: Try listening to some Akufen.
[20:12] <ali1234> that's just annoying
[20:13] <Azelphur> no, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QodrSfsboFk is annoying :p
[20:13] <Azelphur> although the remix in the video responses is hilariously brilliant haha
[20:13] <ali1234> i get it, he thinks he's daft punk
[20:14] <ali1234> however, his music is too obviously just a bunch of cut up samples and they just don't blend together well enough
[20:28] <popey_> bah
[20:30] <popey> stupid freenode
[20:35] <diplo> evening all
[21:07] <StaffRingedSeal> well, combined with eating only toast today it does make my head feel a bit weird
[21:08] <StaffRingedSeal> (listening to Skrillex after midnight)
[21:20] <mgdm> anyone tried that Cinammon desktop?
[21:20]  * mgdm is giving it a go
[21:30] <ali1234> i tried it
[21:31] <ali1234> it's just gnome shell with a taskbar at the bottom
[21:31] <ali1234> and you can't move it or configure it at all
[21:31] <directhex> "you can't move it or configure it at all" you did say gnome shell...
[21:32] <ali1234> yeah
[21:32] <ali1234> basically gnome fallback is much better
[21:33] <ali1234> or gnome classic or whatever they call it these days
[21:34] <StaffRingedSeal> I actually like Unity more and more, it's even better in 12.04
[21:35] <ali1234> for me it is just about usable in 12.04
[21:36] <StaffRingedSeal> well it's more configurable and a bit prettier
[23:00] <dogmatic69> something on 12.04b2 has crashed :/ cant resize or move windows anymore
[23:02] <ali1234> that would be compiz
[23:09] <dogmatic69> maybe this is the same white blocks I was talking about the other day.
[23:10] <dogmatic69> ali1234: can I restart compiz or do I need to reboot
[23:12] <dogmatic69> compiz --replace done it