[01:02] <brousch> are we meating yet?
[01:02] <snap-l> Hey, everyone. We're goind to start the meeting.
[01:03] <brousch> okie dokie
[01:03] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/362/detail/
[01:03] <snap-l> There's the agenda
[01:03] <snap-l> First off, welcome everyone
[01:03] <snap-l> Pretty much everything on the agenda relates to Penguicon. :)
[01:04] <rick_h> party
[01:04] <snap-l> We have a Precise Pangolin (12.04) release party scheduled at Penguicon on Friday at 7pm - 8pm
[01:04] <snap-l> It'll be in the Thomas room, which Penguicon has graciously set up for us
[01:04] <rick_h> one hour?
[01:04] <snap-l> So that'll be pretty awesome
[01:04] <snap-l> Yeah, one hour
[01:05] <snap-l> That's the time we had last year, and I figure it's when the crazy starts happening. :)
[01:05] <snap-l> You'll need to have a day-pass for Penguicon if you're not already attending
[01:05] <greg-g> weee
[01:06] <brousch> snap-l: i just added west mi release party to the agenda
[01:06] <snap-l> But I'd highly recommend coming to Penguicon anyway, because a) it's a lot of fun, and b) we finally got rick_h to speak at it
[01:06] <snap-l> brousch: Awesome. We can talk about that after Penguicon.
[01:06] <greg-g> he did a packaging jam once
[01:06] <greg-g> s/jam/talk/
[01:06] <snap-l> greg-g: Yes, and we know how special these events can be
[01:07] <snap-l> it's like the blooming of the corpse flower.
[01:07] <brousch> sounds wonderfully disgusting
[01:07] <snap-l> Anywho.... :)
[01:08] <snap-l> One of the other events scheduled for Penguicon is a Panel discussion for what's new in 12.04
[01:08] <snap-l> Which needs some lovely people to talk about what's new in 12.04
[01:08] <snap-l> (insert your name here)
[01:09] <snap-l> I'd like to have a few people who can commit to talking about it at Penguicon
[01:09] <snap-l> Unfortunately the schedule isn't published yet, so I can't give you a day / time that it'll be happening
[01:10] <snap-l> so, more details forthcoming
[01:10] <snap-l> If anyone is going to be at Penguicon and would like to talk about 12.04, please send an e-mail to the mailing list
[01:10] <snap-l> Comments / concerns?
[01:12] <Ahuka> Looking forward to the party,
[01:13] <snap-l> OK, is there anything else relating to Penguicon?
[01:13] <Ahuka> Just get the word out.
[01:13] <snap-l> I know rick_h is presenting, and I'll be (I think) doing a podcast and juggling there.
[01:14] <Ahuka> Podcast? Wht kind?
[01:14] <snap-l> My Open Metalcast
[01:14] <snap-l> showing how the sausage gets made.
[01:14] <brousch> juggling 12.04 CDs?
[01:14] <Ahuka> Is there anyone there you want as a guest?
[01:14] <snap-l> brousch: Were that they were there, I would love to
[01:14] <brousch> burn some
[01:15] <snap-l> Ahuka: I'd love for you to be there, but it's mostly a music podcast.
[01:15] <Ahuka> I didn't mean me, I mean of the poeple at Penguicon.
[01:16] <snap-l> Ahuka: If there's any metal folks, maybe we could swing an interview.
[01:16] <snap-l> CC metal folks.
[01:16] <Ahuka> I kind of lit a fire under some of the Penguicon folks.
[01:16] <Ahuka> Told them thier publicity stinks.
[01:17] <snap-l> Ahuka: Yeah, it's been a little weak this time around
[01:17] <Ahuka> I suggested they get Bruce Schneier to interview for Sunday Morning Linux Review.
[01:17] <snap-l> but I think part of it is that the con-chair quit
[01:17] <Ahuka> Not the con chair's job to do publicity, really.
[01:18] <snap-l> regardless, I see Penguicon as the skidding into the finish line, tires on fire, gas tank about to explode, type of show.
[01:18] <Ahuka> Though I can sympathize for the problem.
[01:18] <snap-l> This does not surprise me
[01:18] <greg-g> another nice visual
[01:19] <snap-l> greg-g: They call me Mr. Metaphor
[01:19] <snap-l> OK, brousch, what's happening in west MI?
[01:20] <brousch> release party during the regular monthly WMLUG meeting
[01:20] <brousch> pizza, pop
[01:20] <greg-g> "pop"
[01:20] <brousch> not nearly as exciting as penguicon
[01:20]  * brousch eyeballs greg-g
[01:21] <brousch> those dirty west coast hippies have you saying soda now?
[01:22] <brousch> i'll hand out CDs and swag
[01:24] <greg-g> brousch: I've always said soda, after I said "coke" when I lived in TX
[01:24] <brousch> commie!
[01:24] <rick_h> soda foreva!
[01:25] <rick_h> pop only lives in MI hippy hearts because the yuppers won one
[01:25]  * greg-g apologizes for only derailing the meeting
[01:25] <snap-l> greg-g: I don't think there's much sodium in soda.
[01:25] <snap-l> but there is pop in pop. ;)
[01:25] <greg-g> snap-l: pop is a noise, soda is a drink ;P
[01:26]  * snap-l gets out the club... coda.
[01:26] <snap-l> soda, rather.
[01:26] <snap-l> Any...who...
[01:26] <snap-l> brousch: When is the meet-up, and where can we lear more?
[01:26] <greg-g> +n
[01:27] <brousch> hm, i thought it was on the team thing
[01:28] <snap-l> It is, but I wanted you to point that out.
[01:28] <snap-l> hint hint
[01:28] <brousch> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/1535/detail/
[01:28] <brousch> bah, i can never find anything on there
[01:30] <snap-l> OK, very cool.
[01:30] <snap-l> Also, this isn't on the agenda, but I'd be remiss for not mentioning it
[01:31] <snap-l> Ahuka: You're still looking for someone to speak at WALUG about 12.04?
[01:31] <snap-l> On 5/17?
[01:31] <snap-l> I'm unfortunately not going to be able to make it, as it's my anniversary that day, and we have pans.
[01:31] <snap-l> and plans.
[01:31] <Ahuka> Well, yes, I am, if you have someone. Otherwise, I'll ask you again for like August.
[01:32] <greg-g> ....to make loud noises with
[01:32] <greg-g> (sorry, bad timing)
[01:32] <snap-l> Ahuka: I haven't found anyone yet.
[01:32] <snap-l> If anyone on the channel, however, would like to volunteer.... :)
[01:32] <Ahuka> Then don't worry about it. It won't kill anyone in LUGWASH to have an open discussion for a change.
[01:33] <brousch> snap-l: how about if ahuka provides candles and wine?
[01:33] <snap-l> hah
[01:33] <snap-l> brousch: Didn't realize you were the romantic type, but if you're volunteering... :)
[01:33] <Ahuka> brousch, it's not *that* kind of group.
[01:33] <snap-l> I'm sure it can be arranged.
[01:34] <brousch> no, too far away for me. also i have no idea what's going on in 12.04 unity
[01:34] <Ahuka> Me either, that is why I was looking for an expert.
[01:35] <greg-g> where's jcastro when you need 'em
[01:35] <Ahuka> He told me Craig would take his place.<g>
[01:35] <snap-l> On a beach in Florida.
[01:36] <brousch> what happened to that DBO guy?
[01:36] <Ahuka> Anyway, I installed Unity on one of mmy boxes.
[01:36] <snap-l> DBO doesn't hang out here much
[01:36] <snap-l> probably because when he does, we start beating him up for Unity stuff
[01:37] <Ahuka> Turns out it is not the personifcation of evil. Who knew?
[01:37] <brousch> Ahuka: i disbelieve
[01:37] <Ahuka> Normally I stick to the Blue-haired Stepchild.
[01:38] <snap-l> Yeah, I think the step-children are going off to colleg
[01:38] <brousch> Ahuka: a man after my own heart
[01:38] <snap-l> and aren't getting the support they once had from papa canonical
[01:39] <Ahuka> snap-l, I'm not sure that will matter too much.
[01:39] <Ahuka> Losing one developer should not be the end of the world.
[01:40] <snap-l> Ahuka: Well, it's no longer directly linked
[01:41] <brousch> xubuntu is leaving
[01:41] <snap-l> was that an april fools, or was it serious?
[01:43] <greg-g> fools
[01:43] <brousch> i thought it was from a few days ago
[01:43]  * greg-g is typing one handed
[01:43]  * greg-g has Rowan
[01:43] <snap-l> Let Rowan type the other hand. :)
[01:44] <greg-g> , mujklj,k
[01:44] <brousch> geekers
[01:44] <brousch> bah, it is dated 4/1
[01:44] <brousch> good
[01:47] <snap-l> OK, anything else for this meeting
[01:50] <brousch> snap-l: thanks for running things again!
[01:51] <greg-g> yep yep
[01:51] <greg-g> thanks
[01:53] <snap-l> np.
[01:53] <snap-l> Thanks everyone for coming out!
[01:54] <snap-l> Hope to see you all at the release parties!
[02:15] <_stink_> oo
[02:15] <_stink_> i vote yes
[02:15] <_stink_> on everything
[02:49] <snap-l> I have created an extra-long OMC
[02:50] <snap-l> Trying to narrow down 8 CC artists to highlight for a new audience
[02:50] <snap-l> (punchline) it's not 8 artists.
[10:36] <rick_h> morning
[12:06] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:08] <brousch> Merry Monday!
[12:08] <rick_h> ugh
[12:09] <brousch> Come on now. You had all weekend to relax and recharge for the week
[12:10] <rick_h> yea, I did some of that
[12:11] <brousch> Buck up and dive in!
[13:23] <brousch> omg i just found some new KDE awesome
[13:23] <brousch> the same export plugins in DigiKam are available in gwenview
[13:24] <jrwren> rick_h: screen maintains $WINDOW environment variable. i found TMUX_PANE but that is different. what do you use for $WINDOW?
[13:24] <brousch> so i don't have to start up digikam (5-10 minute boot) to export photos
[13:24] <jrwren> 5-10min boot?  WTF?
[13:24] <rick_h> jrwren: what would I use $WINDOW for?
[13:24] <jrwren> what is this 1994?
[13:24] <jrwren> rick_h: i use $WINDOW in my $PS1 so I know which screen window I am in
[13:24] <brousch> jrwren: another case of 4GB is not enough for me
[13:26] <rick_h> jrwren: have to find it out of list-windows? https://github.com/matschaffer/profile/blob/master/tmux.conf
[13:26] <rick_h> not sure, I've not used that before sorry
[13:27] <jrwren> rick_h: thanks. no worries. you are my go to guru about this stuff.
[13:27] <rick_h> I'm kind of confused though, are you not using any status window?
[13:28] <rick_h> is that why you don't know which window you're in?
[13:28] <jrwren> i usually know.
[13:28] <jrwren> but i got used to looking at PS1 for that.
[13:28] <rick_h> k
[13:28] <jrwren> byobu-tmux only uses 1 status line instead of 2, so i don't have a clear picture of current window based on status line
[13:28] <jrwren> maybe i can make byobu-tmux use 2 status lines, I'm not sure.
[13:29] <rick_h> ah, yea no idea. Not using byobu
[13:29] <jrwren> I like byobu really only for the network section.
[13:30] <jrwren> i also miss ctrl-a,ctrl-a to toggle between windows. (screen)  - I need ot lookup how to do that in byobu
[13:30] <jrwren> err... in tmux i mean
[13:30] <rick_h> # bind C-a to the previously active window
[13:30] <rick_h> bind-key C-a last-window
[13:31] <jrwren> thanks! that rocks.
[13:51] <jrwren> rick_h: whoa, sorry to bother you, but one huge difference i just noticed is with processes sessions attached to same
[13:51] <jrwren> session
[13:51] <jrwren> when I change windows in one it changes in the other. in screen they were really separate so in xterm1 i could attach and toggle between screen windows 1 & 2 and in xterm2 toggle between windows 3 & 4
[13:53] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, tmux keeps them as the same session
[13:53] <snap-l> that's the beauty of tmux
[13:54] <jrwren> that isn't beauty.
[13:54] <jrwren> surely there is a toggle.
[13:54] <jrwren> i'll RTFM
[13:56] <snap-l> jrwren: It is beauty, and if you don't see that, you're a luddite. ;)
[13:59] <brousch> snap-l: steve jobs would not have approved it, therefore it is ugly
[13:59] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, it's a big difference and one that somtimes annoys and sometimes I love
[14:00] <rick_h> jrwren: it does make it an awesome remote pairing kind of thing
[14:00] <jrwren> snap-l: you are a namecalling namecaller.
[14:01] <jrwren> sure, but there are wasy to do the remote paring thing exactly the same with screen.
[14:01] <jcastro> good morning!
[14:01] <jrwren> if there is no way to make tmux NOT do this, then its a defficiency and something screen can do that tmux cannot and THAT is weak.
[14:01] <snap-l> jrwren: Takes a namecalling namecaller to know a namecalled namecallering namecaller.
[14:01] <rick_h> party jcastro
[14:01] <snap-l> jcastro: wb
[14:02] <jrwren> good morning jcastro <3 u
[14:05] <jrwren> tmux new-session -t 0
[14:05] <jrwren> YAYA
[14:05] <jrwren> that starts tmux with a new client session to an existing server
[14:05] <jrwren> to get separate window behavior like screen.
[14:34] <rick_h> heh, finally spent a few minute to go aroud and git pull my various vim bundles
[14:34] <rick_h> nerdtree got some pretty
[14:35] <jrwren> oh?
[14:35] <jrwren> I found Explore and decided I don't need nerd tree :)
[14:35] <rick_h> yea, little arrows and such
[14:35] <rick_h> jrwren: linky?
[14:36] <rick_h> which is "explore" there's a few with explore in the name
[14:36] <jrwren> well, Explore and Ggrep from fugitive
[14:36] <jrwren> rick_h: its built into vim.
[14:36] <jrwren> :Sex and :Vex and :Explore
[14:37] <rick_h> huh? fugative is the git tool
[14:37] <rick_h> ah, gotcha
[14:39] <jrwren> yeah, Ggrep puts matches into the error list and then I just nav the error list.
[14:39] <jrwren> I don't care what file its in, I just go to the match :)
[14:39] <rick_h> yea, I use :vimgrep all the time
[14:39] <jrwren> its esp great for learning huge new codebases.
[14:39] <jrwren> cuz I have no idea what file something is in
[14:39] <jrwren> but I just Ggrep for it.
[14:39] <rick_h> but I do like walking around with nerdtree since it's a full overview
[14:40] <jrwren> *nod* I'd probably use it a ton coming from VS's solution explorer
[14:40] <rick_h> but yea, vimgrep + ctrlp have gotten rid of 80% of my nerdtree usuage
[14:41] <rick_h> yay for more px for editing!
[14:42] <jrwren> yup. YAY
[15:02] <greg-g> jrwren: so, I've only read parts of the scrollback, why tmux over screen?
[15:02] <rick_h> it's awesome! and much friendlier to scripting/etc
[15:03] <greg-g> heh
[15:05] <jrwren> greg-g: i'm changing for 2 reasons: 1> philosphy regarding accepting patches.   2> I prefer BSD license to GPL license
[15:05] <rick_h> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/593/
[15:05] <snap-l> It also feels a lot lighter than screen
[15:05] <snap-l> plus the scripting is utterly amazing.
[15:05] <jrwren> greg-g: jcastro could probably tell us details, but I gather than byobu tried to send screen patches and they said "no ty" and so rather than fork screen, byobu went ot tmux and tmux said "tyvm"
[15:06] <rick_h> yea, that's part of it
[15:06] <rick_h> but tmux has much nicer usability for things
[15:06] <rick_h> I know I use :kill-window -t xx a lot more now
[15:06] <jcastro> screen is very sluggish upstream
[15:06] <rick_h> the ability to :somecommand is just awesome for tweaking/doing things outside of the normal config you setup ahead of time
[15:06] <jcastro> it's old, and was stagnating
[15:06] <jcastro> and then tmux came around
[15:06] <jcastro> dustin tells me the code is much smaller, cleaner, easier to maintain
[15:07] <jcastro> that and the  guy accepted his patches right away
[15:07] <jcastro> and if you use it, it's so much better you won't even care about screen anymore
[15:07] <jcastro> it's totally badass
[15:07] <snap-l> It's kinda like the difference between git and svn
[15:07] <snap-l> svn is perfectly usable, but stagnant
[15:07] <jcastro> try the splits in tmux
[15:07] <snap-l> git gives you superpowers.
[15:07] <jcastro> it's basically the awesomest thing ever
[15:07] <jrwren> rick_h: screen has : commands, but probably not as extensive as what tmux can do
[15:07] <snap-l> jcastro: I have. They're rockstar.
[15:08] <rick_h> meh, the splits I don't get. You want to tile, then using a tiling WM :)
[15:08] <jcastro> hah
[15:08] <rick_h> It breaks all kinds of usage
[15:08] <snap-l> rick_h: They're good if you're on a ssh window
[15:08] <snap-l> and want to run pep8 without switching
[15:08] <jrwren> and I'm ALWAYS on a ssh window :)
[15:08] <rick_h> meh, well you're already in vim then so you just run ,M anyway ;)
[15:09] <snap-l> because I'm not super awesome like rick_h
[15:09] <rick_h> I guess, at that point though I find my WM does a better job than tmux does
[15:09] <snap-l> and ,M maps to what, exactly?
[15:10] <snap-l> (for those of us not using .vimrc.rick_h)
[15:10] <rick_h> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/594/
[15:10] <rick_h> there done, and you get to auto jump to the errors to fix from the quickfix window the way vim intended
[15:10] <rick_h> running pep8 outside of vim is next to pointless
[15:11] <jrwren> i don't run pip8, i just vim-pyflakes and pray
[15:11] <rick_h> heh, yea but that doesn't catch spacing violations and such
[15:11] <rick_h> ,m == pyflakes ,M == pep8
[15:12] <rick_h> and ,m == jslint in a js file, phpcodesniffer in a php file, csslint in a css file, etc
[15:12] <rick_h> voilations in the quickfix window for auto jumping around to each location directly
[15:13] <jrwren> how about syntastic?
[15:13] <rick_h> so I've just not gotten that going well
[15:13] <jrwren> me either.:)
[15:13] <rick_h> but I guess run it against a manual pep8/etc and let me know if it keeps things clean
[15:14] <rick_h> run I run things on the CI server it's running pep8/pylint/jslint from the cmd line
[15:14] <rick_h> so same tool for me in the dev env
[15:14] <snap-l> rick_h: That is awesome.
[15:14] <snap-l> I have syntastic running fine
[15:15] <rick_h> snap-l: which is awesome?
[15:15] <snap-l> the pep8 in vim
[15:15] <rick_h> yea, best way to go
[15:16] <rick_h> I spent a bunch of time trying to get everything in the qiuckfix window, it's a damn powerful thing
[15:16] <snap-l> Regardless, splits are pretty nice if you're using it via ssh
[15:16] <snap-l> that way you don't need two sessions
[15:16] <rick_h> ok, well I'm a split fan in most places so I understand
[15:17] <rick_h> just find my issues copying/pasting/etc out of split windows to be a pain so I use WM splits vs tmux splits
[15:17] <rick_h> but yea, splits still ftw
[15:17] <snap-l> Yeah, though I think tmux fixes c/p between splits
[15:17] <snap-l> honestly haven't run into that, though
[15:17] <snap-l> I use wm c/p more than I ought
[15:18] <snap-l> btw: I've been getting nailed by some EC2 bots on OMC
[15:19] <snap-l> they go through and crawl everything, including the mp3/ogg files at an amazing rate
[15:19] <rick_h> you've set the robots.txt?
[15:19] <snap-l> I've put in some rate limiting, so if you decide to download more than X number of mp3 / ogg files at once, it'll bomb
[15:19] <snap-l> Yeah, I hadn't set it to not index wp-* stuff.
[15:19] <snap-l> I have that set now
[15:20] <snap-l> but since it wasn't adhering to the seconds between crawls, I don't think it would have mattered.
[15:21] <rick_h> right, but can't you say not to index the .ogg files?
[15:21] <rick_h> and it should never hit it, if it does you can blacklist it?
[15:21] <jrwren> mod-bw ?
[15:21] <snap-l> Two separate IP addresses
[15:21] <snap-l> so blacklisting = pointless
[15:22] <snap-l> jrwren: nginx
[15:22] <krondor> do you set a max-age?  Maybe those crawlers are expecting that for refresh interval?
[15:22] <snap-l> I don't have a max-age on the mp3 / ogg files
[15:22] <jrwren> hipster.
[15:23] <snap-l> jrwren: I can't hear you over my skinny jeans.
[15:23] <jrwren> snap-l: lol
[15:23] <snap-l> they make everything muffly.
[15:23] <jrwren> snap-l: how is that iphone and macbook ?
[15:23] <snap-l> jrwren: so last century
[15:26] <krondor> It seems counterintuitive to set a max-age for something that won't change (finished episodes), but I've seen clients that think no-age means always refresh if nothing is given.
[15:31] <snap-l> krondor: I've thought about setting that, however there have been times when I've needed to update an episode
[15:32] <snap-l> and frankly, you're not likely to keep an episode in cache
[15:32] <krondor> so maybe just setting it to something short if you need to update could influence these crawls, maybe..
[15:33] <snap-l> Possible.
[15:33] <rick_h> yea, I mean end of the day you're expecting htem to listen to the rules, but if they don't you just need to block the ips
[15:34] <krondor> rick_h:  yeah there's only so much workaround for badly behaving things you should do before you say, I don't want to allow this bad thing and they should adhere to the rules.
[15:35] <rick_h> yea, I mean it's not like you're losing $$ or customers by blocking a misbehaving bot from your podcast episodes
[15:35] <rick_h> time wasted > *
[15:36] <snap-l> My biggest fear is wasted bandwidth
[15:36] <snap-l> which is why I put in the connection limiting on the episodes
[15:36] <jrwren> front it with apache and use modbw
[15:36] <snap-l> frankly, if you're downloading more than X eopisodes at a time, your client is broken
[15:36] <jrwren> or find a modbw for nginx
[15:37] <snap-l> jrwren: I'm not concerned (right now) with limiting outbound bandwidth
[15:38] <snap-l> Every download gets counted against my monthly quota.
[15:38] <rick_h> yea, kind of defeats the s3 hosting
[15:38] <snap-l> Well, linode, but same thing
[15:39] <jrwren> a bit different.
[15:39] <jrwren> s3 is $ per xfer, not quota
[15:39] <rick_h> oh, I thought they were hosted in s3
[15:39] <rick_h> nvm then
[15:39] <snap-l> No, not currently.
[15:39] <snap-l> But still, they eat a little bit of my monthly pie
[15:40] <snap-l> I'm already at 4% usage, and it's 2 days into the month
[15:40] <rick_h> 2.0/31
[15:40] <rick_h> 0.0645161
[15:40] <rick_h> so you're ahead of the game :)
[15:42] <snap-l> pfft
[15:43] <snap-l> and it's 2.0 / 30 for this moth
[15:43] <snap-l> So .66
[15:43] <rick_h> ok, so as long as you're under 6.6% you're doing great
[15:45] <greg-g> assuming constant download rate over the month, which is crazy talk ;)
[15:46] <brousch> right. downloads will increase after release of each podcast
[15:46] <rick_h> didn't he just release?
[15:47] <rick_h> ok, well the 27th
[15:47] <snap-l> Yes
[15:47] <snap-l> and another is going to be released tomorrow
[15:47] <rick_h> but yea, anyway, just saying being at 4% on the second day isn't death
[15:47] <rick_h> but still, misbehaving clients == banned in my book
[15:48] <snap-l> rick_h: unless you're partnering with another podcasting network
[15:48] <rick_h> does http://bmark.us now load for any chrome users?
[15:48] <snap-l> who will drive God-knows-what traffic
[15:48] <rick_h> and if yes, are you on the latest dev version?
[15:48] <snap-l> rick_h: It's loading here
[15:48] <rick_h> snap-l: can you check which chrome version you're on?
[15:49] <snap-l> 18.0.1025.142
[15:49] <snap-l> I'm chasing stable, afaik
[15:49] <rick_h> hmm, not loading on firefox nightly either...wtf
[15:50] <brousch> rick_h: bmark loads for me
[15:50] <brousch> 18.0.1025.142
[15:51] <rick_h> ok, well I'll have to figure it out tonight I guess. Glad it's not broken for everyone atm
[15:54] <brousch> did you clear your cache? :P
[15:54] <snap-l> Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[15:54] <rick_h> heh yea, definitely cleared my cache
[15:55] <rick_h> in chrome the request fails, looks like the redirect breaking it
[15:55] <rick_h> in firefox though it seems fine, just never loads
[15:55] <rick_h> and it was working, but did updates today so assuming since it works for you guys I'm hitting bleeding edge browser issues perhaps
[15:55] <rick_h> since I'm on nightlies in FF and dev version in chrome, I'm on 19
[16:52] <rick_h> really cool https://github.com/blog/1081-instantly-beautiful-project-pages
[16:52] <rick_h> making the github pages stuff a bit easier to get started iwth
[17:21] <rick_h> ok crazy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b4ZZQkcNEo
[17:29] <brousch> doesn't seem crazy
[17:30] <rick_h> I find it impressive it's able to launch itself like that
[17:39] <jrwren> i like its durability
[17:41] <brousch> I like its rugged good looks
[18:17] <snap-l> rick_h: That's not nearly as creepy as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83ULlgpT1UQ
[18:18] <rick_h> ok, that's a bit strange
[18:18] <snap-l> Imagine that tearing after you.
[18:19] <rick_h> well I think I'd just turn :)
[18:19] <snap-l> rick_h: Well, yeah, for now.
[18:19] <snap-l> But the days of autonomous robots distributing bundles of pain with your name on it are coming.
[18:23] <greg-g> RAT THING!
[18:24] <rick_h> greg-g: ftw!
[18:25] <rick_h> booo, did a big upgrade on the precise machine and no WM coming up
[18:25] <rick_h> just lovely wallpaper
[18:26] <greg-g> heh
[18:27] <rick_h> yea, I should give it more love than I do, but I guess a machine you only visit every once in a while is a bad candidate for running a beta on
[18:28] <greg-g> heh, you mean you don't dog food every day on your main work machine?
[18:28] <snap-l> heh
[18:29] <rick_h> umm nope. I've been holding out because of pycon and then since I don't believe in upgrades not had a chance for a reinstall
[18:29] <rick_h> but that's why I keep the second machine around running, so I can say I'm dog fooding :)
[18:30] <brousch> upgrades happen whether you believe in them or not
[18:32] <rick_h> yea, but I don't do them, I do reinstalls
[18:55] <brousch> snap-l: I like http://spikethetomb.bandcamp.com/ from OMC Ep 43
[19:02] <snap-l> Yeah, they're pretty good
[19:03] <snap-l> They ran out of free downloads, though, so I can't download anything else but Pyrophile
[19:03] <snap-l> That's not the first band that I've had that problem
[19:03] <greg-g> ran out of free downloads?
[19:04]  * greg-g looks
[19:04] <snap-l> Yeah, they only get a certain number of them
[19:04] <greg-g> huh
[19:04] <greg-g> odd
[19:04] <snap-l> at least that's how I've had it explained to me
[19:04] <greg-g> yeah, interesting pricing scheme
[19:04] <greg-g> (I've started replacing "business model" with "pricing scheme" :) )
[19:05] <greg-g> (that way I get to remember the grand ole days of CS 1301, intro to comp sci via Scheme)
[19:05] <snap-l> greg-g: sorry to hear that.
[19:05] <greg-g> :)
[19:07] <snap-l> http://mvsm.bandcamp.com/album/de-lo-inevitable <- I've never been able to download this album
[19:08] <snap-l> not sure what the heck is the problem
[19:08] <greg-g> I wonder if they (the band) chose not to allow downloads?
[19:10] <snap-l> It's possible.
[19:10] <brousch> snap-l: free downloads are one thing, but i can't even pay for the album?
[19:11] <snap-l> Of course I can go to Jamendo and find their stuff there.
[19:11] <snap-l> brousch: Trust me, I don't understand some bands
[19:11] <brousch> i mean spike the tomb
[19:11] <brousch> no download or pay link
[19:11] <snap-l> brousch: That too
[19:11] <snap-l> brousch: If you want to contact them, please feel free
[19:12] <snap-l> I want to download the rest of their album
[19:14] <brousch> ok, sent a message
[19:18] <snap-l> tx
[20:06] <snap-l> I think I know why I don't listen to Caress of Steel more often
[20:06] <snap-l> It's all about aging, revolution, and D&D
[20:07] <snap-l> I'm already doing that.
[20:07] <snap-l> ;)
[20:10] <jcastro> also probably because it's a crap album
[20:13] <snap-l> Meh, it's not that bad of an album
[20:14] <snap-l> I mean, how can you deny Didacts and Narpets?
[21:30] <greg-g> snap-l: loving the instrumental OMC #5
[21:30] <greg-g> (as usual, love the instrumental casts)
[23:47] <_Marcus> I don't get why that timezone link is in the topic. All of Michigan except for a little part is EST
[23:49] <rick_h> well it's because the website for the loco deals in UTC and we often have to convert times
[23:49] <rick_h> and whenever there's an event, ubuntu developer week, etc it's in UTC times
[23:50] <_Marcus> Oh
[23:51] <greg-g> also, it may have been a joke, I don't remember
[23:51] <greg-g> or, qausi joke